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00:04:43,096\n國內納管事小那境外的這個取締或者是怎麼樣防避防止在境外的詐騙這個才是重點這個是我們整體的打詐的裡面要注意至少比如民眾的試詐還有他的防詐知識的提升對於風險意識的提高這個都是我們未來要努力的方向所以第三階段什麼時候會開始啟動呢第三階段其實我們現在的法案已經送進了立法院\n\n13\n00:04:44,065 --> 00:05:12,311\n其實不要分階段就是同時進行我還以為你們有這個時間序的第1階段你要針對這個虛擬資產管理專法來立一個法是的那這個專法裡面有沒有包括對境外的管制職的總統這個我們會考慮到國際的趨勢我們在整個專案研究裡面會把比如說主體的要求以下行為的規範這些東西我們都會考慮在這個專法你們現在在國外也要研究其他國家的做法\n\n14\n00:05:13,471 --> 00:05:33,439\n目標你這個專法什麼時候可以出來我們剛才那個時程預計就是說我們希望年底我們內部有個草案出來可以公告可以預告收集意見我們的時程是預定到明年的六月的時候能夠報行政院明年六月另外一個小小提醒深層式的AI金融紛爭的時候證據保全的問題那這個金融機構這個可能問銀行局\n\n15\n00:05:41,141 --> 00:05:42,283\n金融機構如何做到證據保全?\n\n16\n00:05:53,140 --> 00:06:15,527\n報告委員,我們前一陣子有做過一個次調查目前對於採行深層式AI來做各式的業務程序的管理上面他們其實是比較保守的那未來會成為一個趨勢嗎對,那將來如果他們會運用的時候我想基本上他們一定先希望是不要涉及到客戶的資訊可能是內部流程\n\n17\n00:06:17,765 --> 00:06:44,757\n你未來越發展的話很難避免吧對那這邊因為我們也有一個生成會有一個AI的一個指引那所以到時候各個金融機構在採用這樣的技術的時候也會依照那樣的指引來辦理那順便問一下那個新欽案方案所產生的弊端包括這個人頭戶包租婚的問題我想這個銀行局也應該了解代後的管理這是銀行局的業務還是檢察局的業務那個主委\n\n18\n00:06:47,921 --> 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假設這個條文修正以後他有一個授權執法會來定這個標準以及動機的條件是我們金管會來定金管會的哪一個局處來定正期局正期局來定是的那現在說這個他目前的你們現在這個辦法裡面他對於這個業者定義說以國內設立登記者為限\n那如果是在國內登記呢?他所有的跨境他要在國內落地按照我們的規定來辦理所以只要在國內登記的他就必須要按照相當的規定包括法尊的義務等等吻合我們所有洗房跟反滋恐的要求那如果他境外未登記然後又實際從事業務\n那你要怎麼去監管它?這個確實剛剛有委員提到就因為這個網路無國界跨境上面的就是我們假如它不在境內的好管那境外的難管境外的話無遠無界是的這個確實是全世界各國監理官的挑戰但是這個未來可能要透過跨國界的合作來解決這個問題跨國那你要跟每一個國家去合作至少我們對境內的東西一定要\n要把它做好我們能不能推論它境外它就是規避一些相關的責任嘛\n境外的話就是要有國人的風險也大嘛因為他沒有辦法被納管這個確實是讓我們很多境外金融所以很多詐騙就從此產生這我們盡量來防止如果你加入工會你又是在國內登記對不對那當然你是納管納管就沒有問題你有任何不法行為一定遭受這個主管金管嚴厲的制裁不管是這個法務部或者金管會\n但如何境外我們就好像似乎拿他沒轍這個是全世界面臨的問題比如說我今天一個人他跑去美國網站買他的保險那確實是在這個我們的本國法是沒辦法禁止國恩做但是我們會不斷的宣導說你這不受本國的相關保護的規定而且你成本會很高\n國內納管事小那境外的這個取締或者是怎麼樣防避防止在境外的詐騙這個才是重點這個是我們整體的打詐的裡面要注意至少比如民眾的試詐還有他的防詐知識的提升對於風險意識的提高這個都是我們未來要努力的方向所以第三階段什麼時候會開始啟動呢第三階段其實我們現在的法案已經送進了立法院\n其實不要分階段就是同時進行我還以為你們有這個時間序的第1階段你要針對這個虛擬資產管理專法來立一個法是的那這個專法裡面有沒有包括對境外的管制職的總統這個我們會考慮到國際的趨勢我們在整個專案研究裡面會把比如說主體的要求以下行為的規範這些東西我們都會考慮在這個專法你們現在在國外也要研究其他國家的做法\n目標你這個專法什麼時候可以出來我們剛才那個時程預計就是說我們希望年底我們內部有個草案出來可以公告可以預告收集意見我們的時程是預定到明年的六月的時候能夠報行政院明年六月另外一個小小提醒深層式的AI金融紛爭的時候證據保全的問題那這個金融機構這個可能問銀行局\n金融機構如何做到證據保全?\n報告委員,我們前一陣子有做過一個次調查目前對於採行深層式AI來做各式的業務程序的管理上面他們其實是比較保守的那未來會成為一個趨勢嗎對,那將來如果他們會運用的時候我想基本上他們一定先希望是不要涉及到客戶的資訊可能是內部流程\n你未來越發展的話很難避免吧對那這邊因為我們也有一個生成會有一個AI的一個指引那所以到時候各個金融機構在採用這樣的技術的時候也會依照那樣的指引來辦理那順便問一下那個新欽案方案所產生的弊端包括這個人頭戶包租婚的問題我想這個銀行局也應該了解代後的管理這是銀行局的業務還是檢察局的業務那個主委\n如果是強化新清安方的成為不要讓他成為這個房價炒作的一個幫兇啊新清安的部分呢假設是銀行的行為當然是金管會但是他整個政策應該是財政部這邊主政那如果是貸貨管理這是財政部要針對他所屬的銀行\n就是我們從一個風險角度帶後管理這是我們我們也要關注的點所以是銀行局還是檢察局銀行局是銀行局對這部分如果銀行局介入的強度應該會比較強吧他有他一定的SOP啦這部分其實銀行在這個發銀行跳樓銀行局就嚇到死了\n他有5P、KYC還有就是剛才代後管理都是他們標準的程序我們現在討論是未來可能發生的問題但是未來可能發生的問題遲早都會發生所以我們應該這個主管機關應該是未籌摩,遲早因應謝謝主委謝謝委員謝謝邱志文委員的質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.810 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03:22.278\n那你要怎麼去監管它?這個確實剛剛有委員提到就因為這個網路無國界跨境上面的就是我們假如它不在境內的好管那境外的難管境外的話無遠無界是的這個確實是全世界各國監理官的挑戰但是這個未來可能要透過跨國界的合作來解決這個問題跨國那你要跟每一個國家去合作至少我們對境內的東西一定要\n\n03:23.444 --> 03:27.893\n要把它做好我們能不能推論它境外它就是規避一些相關的責任嘛\n\n03:29.656 --> 03:55.735\n境外的話就是要有國人的風險也大嘛因為他沒有辦法被納管這個確實是讓我們很多境外金融所以很多詐騙就從此產生這我們盡量來防止如果你加入工會你又是在國內登記對不對那當然你是納管納管就沒有問題你有任何不法行為一定遭受這個主管金管嚴厲的制裁不管是這個法務部或者金管會\n\n03:56.596 --> 04:15.192\n但如何境外我們就好像似乎拿他沒轍這個是全世界面臨的問題比如說我今天一個人他跑去美國網站買他的保險那確實是在這個我們的本國法是沒辦法禁止國恩做但是我們會不斷的宣導說你這不受本國的相關保護的規定而且你成本會很高\n\n04:16.994 --> 04:43.096\n國內納管事小那境外的這個取締或者是怎麼樣防避防止在境外的詐騙這個才是重點這個是我們整體的打詐的裡面要注意至少比如民眾的試詐還有他的防詐知識的提升對於風險意識的提高這個都是我們未來要努力的方向所以第三階段什麼時候會開始啟動呢第三階段其實我們現在的法案已經送進了立法院\n\n04:44.065 --> 05:12.311\n其實不要分階段就是同時進行我還以為你們有這個時間序的第1階段你要針對這個虛擬資產管理專法來立一個法是的那這個專法裡面有沒有包括對境外的管制職的總統這個我們會考慮到國際的趨勢我們在整個專案研究裡面會把比如說主體的要求以下行為的規範這些東西我們都會考慮在這個專法你們現在在國外也要研究其他國家的做法\n\n05:13.471 --> 05:33.439\n目標你這個專法什麼時候可以出來我們剛才那個時程預計就是說我們希望年底我們內部有個草案出來可以公告可以預告收集意見我們的時程是預定到明年的六月的時候能夠報行政院明年六月另外一個小小提醒深層式的AI金融紛爭的時候證據保全的問題那這個金融機構這個可能問銀行局\n\n05:41.141 --> 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