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00:00:34,688\n部長好今天委員會特別安排如何有效的防制這個毒品侵入校園以及減少霸凌但是您是教育界出身專長是教育心理學跟教育行政\n\n3\n00:00:35,629 --> 00:00:54,629\n做過大學校長也做過地方政府的教育局局長你應該很清楚老師的一顆心是孩子的一片天所以要談這些問題我今天其實是想要來談老師因為有好的老師我們來治本\n\n4\n00:00:55,450 --> 00:01:12,528\n後面呢就不會有這些太大的問題那在這裡我想要先來跟部長您看一下去年聯合報院警工程有做一個偏鄉教改的大調查那我們看一下他裡面的重點\n\n5\n00:01:13,789 --> 00:01:15,391\n所以在這裡我們就常常在笑這個叫做偏鄉大逃亡\n\n6\n00:01:36,129 --> 00:01:58,641\n我們有一個叫偏鄉條例前幾年制定的我們看一下如果跟制定前它的偏鄉流動率以國小來講2.1%制定這個條例之後112學年度國小的教師流動率降到1.2%所以看起來是有效的\n\n7\n00:01:59,341 --> 00:02:26,358\n但是呢比起全國平均還是高了一點點所以表示還有需要努力的空間那特別是這一次因為偏鄉教育條例說如果9任滿8年就會有一個所謂的9任獎金所以114年也是要發放了那我們特別看一下因為聲音很多像這個偏鄉教育條例的第21條\n\n8\n00:02:27,819 --> 00:02:45,475\n他給的9任獎金是給校長、老師第二項針對專聘的老師、代理的教師、專業的輔導人員甚至社工人員他也是準用所以這個部分我想要請教一下\n\n9\n00:02:46,940 --> 00:03:05,949\n因為我有一個版本也有其他的中加病委員賴會員委員等跟我一起共題就是我們想要問關於這些學校的教練學校的護理師學校的幹事他們是編制人員喔\n\n10\n00:03:07,029 --> 00:03:08,431\n所以想要請教一下部長您認為這個9任獎金偏鄉的這一些編制內的人員是不是應該也要一起來發放\n\n11\n00:03:23,220 --> 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