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00:02:46,014\n應該是培育加攬財對不對因為我為什麼會請教育部上來是今天很可惜沒有辦法聽到教育部的這個報告但是我看了一下教育部的書面你們所有的AI教育這一些數位的教育通常都是從高等教育才開始做起包括你的在職專班包括你的碩博士班等等\n\n9\n00:02:46,994 --> 00:03:06,355\n比如說你110年開始透過國家重點領域產學合作培育人才創新條例要招攬972名碩士博士生就我看了你們這個所謂的招攬名額要達到20萬名四年內根本做不到那請問教育部有什麼方式嗎\n\n10\n00:03:08,646 --> 00:03:23,571\n我看到韓國韓國他們現在是要從國民教育裡頭去推廣AI數位教育2025年開始韓國就會在中小學導入AI數位教科書那請問台灣呢\n\n11\n00:03:25,591 --> 00:03:49,204\n市長跟委員報告我想我們在AI人才培育這一塊我們過去一個非常重要的就是我們透過國家重點領域產學合作及人才培育創新條例我們有重點科技學院這重點科技學院裡面13家裡面有其中5家是跟人工智慧有關的我們每年在這裡面我們大概有\n\n12\n00:03:49,844 --> 00:03:53,828\n培養972位教授博士你一年才培養900多名那要達到部長講的20萬名那個差距是很大的還沒講剛才講是說博士我們大學部這一邊的話因為我們有這個每年我們有這個大專院校\n\n13\n00:04:10,603 --> 00:04:12,664\n智慧科技及資訊安全碩士人才計畫\n\n14\n00:04:41,063 --> 00:05:01,688\n跟委員報告我們在這個教育部現在在研擬這個數位教學指引這個在預計在10月會出來那這個指引其實蠻全面包括說我們會告訴校長如果像一些跟不管跟數位跟AI的導入要怎麼做然後老師還有家長10月會出來數位教學指引那預計什麼時候會開始實施其實它出來以後\n\n15\n00:05:04,184 --> 00:05:31,426\n下個學期就開始下個學期就會開始實施這個是一個非常重大的教育的改變我覺得教育部應該是要好好的規劃然後要好好的宣導我們有這個所謂的生生用平板的這樣的一個很好的政策所以你們在推廣所謂的AI數位教科書的這個課綱其實對他們來講應該是要更快上手所以我期待如果是有一個這麼好的政策的話教育部應該是要好好的\n\n16\n00:05:32,246 --> 00:05:48,025\n來做規劃這宣傳另外在規劃的方向就是說因為其實在108課剛高中會有所謂的多元選修的課程那多元選修課當然你要高中開出AI的課程它不見得有這樣的量能所以我們也在規劃一新的模式就是說我們怎麼樣比如透過\n\n17\n00:05:48,585 --> 00:06:13,185\n我們自己中央廚房設計出這樣的課線上課程再搭配各個高中的種子學的老師那來推這個也是我們未來會努力的目標我覺得就是說創造台灣的整體AI環境不會是只有國發會也不會是只有經濟部我覺得教育部我們在整個的教育體系裡頭共同去努力創造這個是很重要的一件事來那個教育部次長那您請回\n\n18\n00:06:14,466 --> 00:06:17,835\n那那個郭部長你也可以請回我請問一下國發會\n\n19\n00:06:26,290 --> 00:06:53,748\n來劉主委您剛剛在那個報告的時候其實你有特別談到未來導入AI包括我們的流財、纜財等等你要用企業的方法所以剛剛其實也有委員問到我們的流財、纜財政策裡頭其實對於您在海外纜財的這一些誘因技術人員的誘因其實是不太夠的\n\n20\n00:06:54,868 --> 00:07:11,906\n包括稅責包括他們的居留等等您覺得正在國家發展的角度上面台灣有沒有必要檢討我們現行的所謂的移民政策如何讓您這些企業方法的這些攬財的條件\n\n21\n00:07:14,428 --> 00:07:42,095\n讓它更人性化或者是說讓它更具備誘因比如說剛剛講的人才來到這裡之後他的課稅問題他的居留問題子女的教育問題這個過去我們在攬財專案的法規討論上面其實都討論了很多但是對於這些海外的人不管他是華人也好不管是台裔也好或者是他是外國籍的人也好他要到台灣來\n\n22\n00:07:43,715 --> 00:08:00,345\n右鷹其實不太夠就是跟台灣的整個移民政策是有相關的就國發會的立場您覺得台灣的移民政策是不是需要檢討或者是在我們要攬AI人才的這個區塊上面我們是不是應該要有一些更大幅的開放\n\n23\n00:08:01,405 --> 00:08:24,297\n是的我們目前看起來是需要檢討才會具備國際的競爭力要更加的開放也才有機會去吸引人才好那這樣子國發會有沒有就這個部分跟其他的各部會比如說移民署、內政部或者是說你們有沒有做一個總體的規劃總體檢你們現在要提AI的基本法經濟部要培育\n\n24\n00:08:25,657 --> 00:08:35,664\n20萬的AI人才要從國外攬財進來你說輝達進來投資他必須帶一半以上的人是從海外進來的那海外進來的這一些人要怎麼樣留在台灣\n\n25\n00:08:38,006 --> 00:09:03,854\n他要符合台灣的什麼樣的法令你要怎麼樣把這些人讓他有足夠的誘因留在這這個其實是都需要你們有一個跨部會的檢討我其實不太喜歡你們每次都講說什麼東西就會變成第二座護國神山現在你們已經有把AI捧得很高又說AI是第二座護國神山你真的要當護國神山的時候其實你是必須要各部會\n\n26\n00:09:05,174 --> 00:09:23,127\n所有相關的法令配套都必須要完整人才的獲得劣才其實都是需要一個完整的配套但我現在看不出來你們所謂完整的配套上面比如說AI生態園區到底它是實體還是虛擬\n\n27\n00:09:25,709 --> 00:09:51,645\n你們都講不清楚啦國發會跟事務發布的態度意見根本就講完全講不清楚啊然後包括你們跟經濟部的配合包括跟教育部的配合甚至跟財務財政部的配合這個其實是需要花很長的時間去討論而不是你自己今天一個國發會隨便就丟一個東西出來就我不知道\n\n28\n00:09:52,796 --> 00:10:18,163\n你們在行政院裡面到底有沒有就這一塊去做過討論我們現在就初步的意見是有溝通過但是細部的部分我們其實已經在整理我們現在整理了六個國家的優缺點因為我們要定位我們的競爭定位在哪裡那也跟委員報告不只是剛才講的稅包括這些人進來他的小孩的教育等等其實我們都會整體規劃以後然後去溝通各部會\n\n29\n00:10:19,039 --> 00:10:40,908\n好這個主委我覺得這個動作可能要快啦這個如果說你們要把AI變成第二座護國神山的話相關的所有的法令配套各部會的配合各部會的推動遇到有治安難行的地方我覺得大家都應該要趕快把這個問題都丟出來然後來集思廣益趕快來解決你才有辦法來\n\n30\n00:10:42,108 --> 00:11:04,820\n很快速的把台灣變成是一個AI島那甚至說你現在要做的這些AI的產業不只是中小企業產業要有AI化我們的醫療、農業是不是都能夠運用這樣的一個AI技術把它全面的推廣出去那你講到農業講到醫療你要牽扯到的又會到農業部、衛福部\n\n31\n00:11:06,161 --> 00:11:17,976\n所以其實它整個就是一個大行政院大政府的架構去推動這個所謂的AI產業這個其實千頭萬緒但是我們期待跟你們一起努力好不好好謝謝委員好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n269\t26659\t我們請邱毅文委員請做詢答謝謝昭偉我現在是不是請一下經濟部跟教育部好了好 郭部長跟教育部正次\n30643\t41079\t好 這個來 部長好 郭部長這個我想從您上個禮拜來做業務報告裡頭您有談到\n44237\t67983\t4年之內要培育20萬個AI人才所以台灣大概是全世界少數搭上這個第一波的AI浪潮的國家但我們其實看得到就實際面來說台灣在所謂的半導體的先進製程在AI伺服器的製造其實我們是有優勢\n69463\t81554\t但是在AI相關的IC設計或生成式AI應用服務的這些人才上面其實台灣的優勢是不大的您同意我的看法嗎同意\n82976\t104143\t如果是這樣我們今天要來談這個未來搭上這一波AI浪潮之後首先要談的是要培育20萬名AI人才請問一下部長這20萬名AI人才是全部是自己培育嗎還是你有包括一部分是從國外攬才進來的\n105607\t129840\t我們大概在LM的部分必須要從國外攬產所以我有請來台灣投資的這些比較大的國外廠商我都告訴他們你最少要帶一半的人才進來所以像輝達它要有1000位工程師所以我們就強烈的要求它要有帶500位工程師進來可是輝達現在大概只能帶10%的人進來\n131641\t141973\t那個是過去我後來有跟他們在溝通如果未來是這樣那經濟部就不是培育20萬名AI人才\n143841\t166014\t應該是培育加攬財對不對因為我為什麼會請教育部上來是今天很可惜沒有辦法聽到教育部的這個報告但是我看了一下教育部的書面你們所有的AI教育這一些數位的教育通常都是從高等教育才開始做起包括你的在職專班包括你的碩博士班等等\n166994\t186355\t比如說你110年開始透過國家重點領域產學合作培育人才創新條例要招攬972名碩士博士生就我看了你們這個所謂的招攬名額要達到20萬名四年內根本做不到那請問教育部有什麼方式嗎\n188646\t203571\t我看到韓國韓國他們現在是要從國民教育裡頭去推廣AI數位教育2025年開始韓國就會在中小學導入AI數位教科書那請問台灣呢\n205591\t229204\t市長跟委員報告我想我們在AI人才培育這一塊我們過去一個非常重要的就是我們透過國家重點領域產學合作及人才培育創新條例我們有重點科技學院這重點科技學院裡面13家裡面有其中5家是跟人工智慧有關的我們每年在這裡面我們大概有\n229844\t233828\t培養972位教授博士你一年才培養900多名那要達到部長講的20萬名那個差距是很大的還沒講剛才講是說博士我們大學部這一邊的話因為我們有這個每年我們有這個大專院校\n250603\t252664\t智慧科技及資訊安全碩士人才計畫\n281063\t301688\t跟委員報告我們在這個教育部現在在研擬這個數位教學指引這個在預計在10月會出來那這個指引其實蠻全面包括說我們會告訴校長如果像一些跟不管跟數位跟AI的導入要怎麼做然後老師還有家長10月會出來數位教學指引那預計什麼時候會開始實施其實它出來以後\n304184\t331426\t下個學期就開始下個學期就會開始實施這個是一個非常重大的教育的改變我覺得教育部應該是要好好的規劃然後要好好的宣導我們有這個所謂的生生用平板的這樣的一個很好的政策所以你們在推廣所謂的AI數位教科書的這個課綱其實對他們來講應該是要更快上手所以我期待如果是有一個這麼好的政策的話教育部應該是要好好的\n332246\t348025\t來做規劃這宣傳另外在規劃的方向就是說因為其實在108課剛高中會有所謂的多元選修的課程那多元選修課當然你要高中開出AI的課程它不見得有這樣的量能所以我們也在規劃一新的模式就是說我們怎麼樣比如透過\n348585\t373185\t我們自己中央廚房設計出這樣的課線上課程再搭配各個高中的種子學的老師那來推這個也是我們未來會努力的目標我覺得就是說創造台灣的整體AI環境不會是只有國發會也不會是只有經濟部我覺得教育部我們在整個的教育體系裡頭共同去努力創造這個是很重要的一件事來那個教育部次長那您請回\n374466\t377835\t那那個郭部長你也可以請回我請問一下國發會\n386290\t413748\t來 劉主委您剛剛在那個報告的時候其實你有特別談到未來導入AI包括我們的流財、纜財等等你要用企業的方法所以剛剛其實也有委員問到我們的流財、纜財政策裡頭其實對於您在海外纜財的這一些誘因技術人員的誘因其實是不太夠的\n414868\t431906\t包括稅責包括他們的居留等等您覺得正在國家發展的角度上面台灣有沒有必要檢討我們現行的所謂的移民政策如何讓您這些企業方法的這些攬財的條件\n434428\t462095\t讓它更人性化或者是說讓它更具備誘因比如說剛剛講的人才來到這裡之後他的課稅問題他的居留問題子女的教育問題這個過去我們在攬財專案的法規討論上面其實都討論了很多但是對於這些海外的人不管他是華人也好不管是台裔也好或者是他是外國籍的人也好他要到台灣來\n463715\t480345\t右鷹其實不太夠就是跟台灣的整個移民政策是有相關的就國發會的立場您覺得台灣的移民政策是不是需要檢討或者是在我們要攬AI人才的這個區塊上面我們是不是應該要有一些更大幅的開放\n481405\t504297\t是的我們目前看起來是需要檢討才會具備國際的競爭力要更加的開放也才有機會去吸引人才好那這樣子國發會有沒有就這個部分跟其他的各部會比如說移民署、內政部或者是說你們有沒有做一個總體的規劃總體檢你們現在要提AI的基本法經濟部要培育\n505657\t515664\t20萬的AI人才要從國外攬財進來你說輝達進來投資他必須帶一半以上的人是從海外進來的那海外進來的這一些人要怎麼樣留在台灣\n518006\t543854\t他要符合台灣的什麼樣的法令你要怎麼樣把這些人讓他有足夠的誘因留在這這個其實是都需要你們有一個跨部會的檢討我其實不太喜歡你們每次都講說什麼東西就會變成第二座護國神山現在你們已經有把AI捧得很高又說AI是第二座護國神山你真的要當護國神山的時候其實你是必須要各部會\n545174\t563127\t所有相關的法令配套都必須要完整人才的獲得劣才其實都是需要一個完整的配套但我現在看不出來你們所謂完整的配套上面比如說AI生態園區到底它是實體還是虛擬\n565709\t591645\t你們都講不清楚啦國發會跟事務發布的態度意見根本就講完全講不清楚啊然後包括你們跟經濟部的配合包括跟教育部的配合甚至跟財務財政部的配合這個其實是需要花很長的時間去討論而不是你自己今天一個國發會隨便就丟一個東西出來就我不知道\n592796\t618163\t你們在行政院裡面到底有沒有就這一塊去做過討論我們現在就初步的意見是有溝通過但是細部的部分我們其實已經在整理我們現在整理了六個國家的優缺點因為我們要定位我們的競爭定位在哪裡那也跟委員報告不只是剛才講的稅包括這些人進來他的小孩的教育等等其實我們都會整體規劃以後然後去溝通各部會\n619039\t640908\t好 這個主委我覺得這個動作可能要快啦這個如果說你們要把AI變成第二座護國神山的話相關的所有的法令配套各部會的配合各部會的推動遇到有治安難行的地方我覺得大家都應該要趕快把這個問題都丟出來然後來集思廣益趕快來解決你才有辦法來\n642108\t664820\t很快速的把台灣變成是一個AI島那甚至說你現在要做的這些AI的產業不只是中小企業產業要有AI化我們的醫療、農業是不是都能夠運用這樣的一個AI技術把它全面的推廣出去那你講到農業講到醫療你要牽扯到的又會到農業部、衛福部\n666161\t677976\t所以其實它整個就是一個大行政院大政府的架構去推動這個所謂的AI產業這個其實千頭萬緒但是我們期待跟你們一起努力好不好好 謝謝委員好 謝謝\n","txt":"我們請邱毅文委員請做詢答謝謝昭偉我現在是不是請一下經濟部跟教育部好了好 郭部長跟教育部正次\n好 這個來 部長好 郭部長這個我想從您上個禮拜來做業務報告裡頭您有談到\n4年之內要培育20萬個AI人才所以台灣大概是全世界少數搭上這個第一波的AI浪潮的國家但我們其實看得到就實際面來說台灣在所謂的半導體的先進製程在AI伺服器的製造其實我們是有優勢\n但是在AI相關的IC設計或生成式AI應用服務的這些人才上面其實台灣的優勢是不大的您同意我的看法嗎同意\n如果是這樣我們今天要來談這個未來搭上這一波AI浪潮之後首先要談的是要培育20萬名AI人才請問一下部長這20萬名AI人才是全部是自己培育嗎還是你有包括一部分是從國外攬才進來的\n我們大概在LM的部分必須要從國外攬產所以我有請來台灣投資的這些比較大的國外廠商我都告訴他們你最少要帶一半的人才進來所以像輝達它要有1000位工程師所以我們就強烈的要求它要有帶500位工程師進來可是輝達現在大概只能帶10%的人進來\n那個是過去我後來有跟他們在溝通如果未來是這樣那經濟部就不是培育20萬名AI人才\n應該是培育加攬財對不對因為我為什麼會請教育部上來是今天很可惜沒有辦法聽到教育部的這個報告但是我看了一下教育部的書面你們所有的AI教育這一些數位的教育通常都是從高等教育才開始做起包括你的在職專班包括你的碩博士班等等\n比如說你110年開始透過國家重點領域產學合作培育人才創新條例要招攬972名碩士博士生就我看了你們這個所謂的招攬名額要達到20萬名四年內根本做不到那請問教育部有什麼方式嗎\n我看到韓國韓國他們現在是要從國民教育裡頭去推廣AI數位教育2025年開始韓國就會在中小學導入AI數位教科書那請問台灣呢\n市長跟委員報告我想我們在AI人才培育這一塊我們過去一個非常重要的就是我們透過國家重點領域產學合作及人才培育創新條例我們有重點科技學院這重點科技學院裡面13家裡面有其中5家是跟人工智慧有關的我們每年在這裡面我們大概有\n培養972位教授博士你一年才培養900多名那要達到部長講的20萬名那個差距是很大的還沒講剛才講是說博士我們大學部這一邊的話因為我們有這個每年我們有這個大專院校\n智慧科技及資訊安全碩士人才計畫\n跟委員報告我們在這個教育部現在在研擬這個數位教學指引這個在預計在10月會出來那這個指引其實蠻全面包括說我們會告訴校長如果像一些跟不管跟數位跟AI的導入要怎麼做然後老師還有家長10月會出來數位教學指引那預計什麼時候會開始實施其實它出來以後\n下個學期就開始下個學期就會開始實施這個是一個非常重大的教育的改變我覺得教育部應該是要好好的規劃然後要好好的宣導我們有這個所謂的生生用平板的這樣的一個很好的政策所以你們在推廣所謂的AI數位教科書的這個課綱其實對他們來講應該是要更快上手所以我期待如果是有一個這麼好的政策的話教育部應該是要好好的\n來做規劃這宣傳另外在規劃的方向就是說因為其實在108課剛高中會有所謂的多元選修的課程那多元選修課當然你要高中開出AI的課程它不見得有這樣的量能所以我們也在規劃一新的模式就是說我們怎麼樣比如透過\n我們自己中央廚房設計出這樣的課線上課程再搭配各個高中的種子學的老師那來推這個也是我們未來會努力的目標我覺得就是說創造台灣的整體AI環境不會是只有國發會也不會是只有經濟部我覺得教育部我們在整個的教育體系裡頭共同去努力創造這個是很重要的一件事來那個教育部次長那您請回\n那那個郭部長你也可以請回我請問一下國發會\n來 劉主委您剛剛在那個報告的時候其實你有特別談到未來導入AI包括我們的流財、纜財等等你要用企業的方法所以剛剛其實也有委員問到我們的流財、纜財政策裡頭其實對於您在海外纜財的這一些誘因技術人員的誘因其實是不太夠的\n包括稅責包括他們的居留等等您覺得正在國家發展的角度上面台灣有沒有必要檢討我們現行的所謂的移民政策如何讓您這些企業方法的這些攬財的條件\n讓它更人性化或者是說讓它更具備誘因比如說剛剛講的人才來到這裡之後他的課稅問題他的居留問題子女的教育問題這個過去我們在攬財專案的法規討論上面其實都討論了很多但是對於這些海外的人不管他是華人也好不管是台裔也好或者是他是外國籍的人也好他要到台灣來\n右鷹其實不太夠就是跟台灣的整個移民政策是有相關的就國發會的立場您覺得台灣的移民政策是不是需要檢討或者是在我們要攬AI人才的這個區塊上面我們是不是應該要有一些更大幅的開放\n是的我們目前看起來是需要檢討才會具備國際的競爭力要更加的開放也才有機會去吸引人才好那這樣子國發會有沒有就這個部分跟其他的各部會比如說移民署、內政部或者是說你們有沒有做一個總體的規劃總體檢你們現在要提AI的基本法經濟部要培育\n20萬的AI人才要從國外攬財進來你說輝達進來投資他必須帶一半以上的人是從海外進來的那海外進來的這一些人要怎麼樣留在台灣\n他要符合台灣的什麼樣的法令你要怎麼樣把這些人讓他有足夠的誘因留在這這個其實是都需要你們有一個跨部會的檢討我其實不太喜歡你們每次都講說什麼東西就會變成第二座護國神山現在你們已經有把AI捧得很高又說AI是第二座護國神山你真的要當護國神山的時候其實你是必須要各部會\n所有相關的法令配套都必須要完整人才的獲得劣才其實都是需要一個完整的配套但我現在看不出來你們所謂完整的配套上面比如說AI生態園區到底它是實體還是虛擬\n你們都講不清楚啦國發會跟事務發布的態度意見根本就講完全講不清楚啊然後包括你們跟經濟部的配合包括跟教育部的配合甚至跟財務財政部的配合這個其實是需要花很長的時間去討論而不是你自己今天一個國發會隨便就丟一個東西出來就我不知道\n你們在行政院裡面到底有沒有就這一塊去做過討論我們現在就初步的意見是有溝通過但是細部的部分我們其實已經在整理我們現在整理了六個國家的優缺點因為我們要定位我們的競爭定位在哪裡那也跟委員報告不只是剛才講的稅包括這些人進來他的小孩的教育等等其實我們都會整體規劃以後然後去溝通各部會\n好 這個主委我覺得這個動作可能要快啦這個如果說你們要把AI變成第二座護國神山的話相關的所有的法令配套各部會的配合各部會的推動遇到有治安難行的地方我覺得大家都應該要趕快把這個問題都丟出來然後來集思廣益趕快來解決你才有辦法來\n很快速的把台灣變成是一個AI島那甚至說你現在要做的這些AI的產業不只是中小企業產業要有AI化我們的醫療、農業是不是都能夠運用這樣的一個AI技術把它全面的推廣出去那你講到農業講到醫療你要牽扯到的又會到農業部、衛福部\n所以其實它整個就是一個大行政院大政府的架構去推動這個所謂的AI產業這個其實千頭萬緒但是我們期待跟你們一起努力好不好好 謝謝委員好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.269 --> 00:26.659\n我們請邱毅文委員請做詢答謝謝昭偉我現在是不是請一下經濟部跟教育部好了好郭部長跟教育部正次\n\n00:30.643 --> 00:41.079\n好這個來部長好郭部長這個我想從您上個禮拜來做業務報告裡頭您有談到\n\n00:44.237 --> 01:07.983\n4年之內要培育20萬個AI人才所以台灣大概是全世界少數搭上這個第一波的AI浪潮的國家但我們其實看得到就實際面來說台灣在所謂的半導體的先進製程在AI伺服器的製造其實我們是有優勢\n\n01:09.463 --> 01:21.554\n但是在AI相關的IC設計或生成式AI應用服務的這些人才上面其實台灣的優勢是不大的您同意我的看法嗎同意\n\n01:22.976 --> 01:44.143\n如果是這樣我們今天要來談這個未來搭上這一波AI浪潮之後首先要談的是要培育20萬名AI人才請問一下部長這20萬名AI人才是全部是自己培育嗎還是你有包括一部分是從國外攬才進來的\n\n01:45.607 --> 02:09.840\n我們大概在LM的部分必須要從國外攬產所以我有請來台灣投資的這些比較大的國外廠商我都告訴他們你最少要帶一半的人才進來所以像輝達它要有1000位工程師所以我們就強烈的要求它要有帶500位工程師進來可是輝達現在大概只能帶10%的人進來\n\n02:11.641 --> 02:21.973\n那個是過去我後來有跟他們在溝通如果未來是這樣那經濟部就不是培育20萬名AI人才\n\n02:23.841 --> 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