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00:00:37,178\n市長,第一次來備詢有緊張嗎?有緊張,你放心鬆我們今天會好好來討論一些教育議題,沒有那麼緊張我們教育文化委員會是很peace的,好嗎?市長,您上任以來有沒有注意到我們大漢技術學院的這個案件?\n\n3\n00:00:40,696 --> 00:01:04,446\n大漢技術學院的董事會在今年2月無預警地宣布在113年起依照私校法要停教在114年要停辦這引起全國都有關注這件事情師生也非常的不滿那我請教一下次長大漢技術學院目前的狀況有沒有體質差的狀況包括財務惡化、失智不足或者學生受教權益這個檢核不通過有沒有\n\n4\n00:01:05,445 --> 00:01:28,411\n沒有沒有都沒有好所以呢大汗的這個董事會啊大家都在說一次是要規避日後我們的校產啊被依照私校退場條例清算所以他用先斬後奏的方式來突襲依據私校法第71條停招而且改辦那這種做法其實他是不顧教職員跟學生的權益讓教育部其實措手不及啦那剛剛次長也講到了我們沒有以上這三項問題喔那我們也知道\n\n5\n00:01:30,191 --> 00:01:47,868\n其實他如果要依照不管私校法70條、71條等等他都應該要先提出計畫要先來抱準才能夠往下做那他現在的做法就是倒行逆施到這種程度完全沒有抱準然後自行對外就宣布他要停招他要停辦這樣的一個做法教育部現在要怎麼做\n\n6\n00:01:49,658 --> 00:02:15,124\n報告委員我想就是如委員所說這個這個停辦計畫目前是我們還沒有他沒有報布那個次長啊其實大漢董事會在上個禮拜上個禮拜三有在召開過校務會議但是高教工會有說因為他們現在自救嘛因為教育部看起來好像沒有辦法幫他們所以他們有過半數的教師是加入工會的所以到現在為止校方是沒有辦法把停辦計畫送出來那另外\n\n7\n00:02:15,584 --> 00:02:35,146\n校長為了要達成他自己要送出停辦計畫書的這個目的所以他也更換了校務會員這個會議的委員並且把工會原來的行政職務也解職了總之他用各種方式就是要自行的停辦停招這樣的一個做法請問一下從事情發生到現在教育部有沒有去溝通了解有沒有違法\n\n8\n00:02:41,540 --> 00:03:02,278\n市長你等他的這個送上來他今天就沒有送上來就已經對外就已經對外說他要停招停辦啦現在的問題不是要等他送上來這樣子教育部的做法太慢囉這個其實他並沒有對我們的了解是這個並不是他們在對外講因為我覺得我們要他沒有在對外講那請問一下他今年還要繼續續招續辦嗎\n\n9\n00:03:04,542 --> 00:03:06,764\n我沒有看到他停辦計畫他今年還會繼續續辦續招嗎?你能保證他今年繼續續辦續招?\n\n10\n00:03:12,522 --> 00:03:34,395\n我請司長補充一下跟委員報告那今年113學年度能不能停招當然要等部裡面核定他才能夠確定所以現在沒有核定我請教一下他今年會不會續招我們還沒有核定前他當然可以續招所以如果他今年在你沒有核定前他就停招了有沒有違法\n\n11\n00:03:35,643 --> 00:04:03,284\n跟委員報告有沒有違法告訴我就好當然有違法好來次長請教一下那如果違法的話我們教育部要怎麼做如果違法的話我們當然是要依私效法來處理怎麼處理我請司長補充跟委員報告假如他針對停招這一個事由我們當然要看他你跟我說怎麼處理就好今天時間非常有限那他們目前就我們知道他們已經有在招\n\n12\n00:04:05,639 --> 00:04:19,557\n市長您的意思是說媒體說對外要停招停辦都是媒體亂說的那這個都是空穴來風您現在的意思是這樣嗎不是不是空穴來風那如果他今年是停招的情況之下我們要怎麼去處理他\n\n13\n00:04:20,578 --> 00:04:24,481\n因為剛剛司長也說這違法了嘛,那要怎麼處理?因為他學校可以單招,所以我們還是會讓他單招,因為他學校從110開始就已經是單招,他不參加連招,所以他的時間只要在開學前...但市長,如果是這樣的話,他的計畫書現在還沒有送上來,你也還沒有核准他,如果他聽到的話有違法的話,教育部一定要出面,我想這個...\n\n14\n00:04:44,096 --> 00:04:44,516\n因為今天的時間真的非常有限\n\n15\n00:05:13,897 --> 00:05:24,466\n那我希望這個會後能夠司長再到我辦公室來我們把大旱的這個案子說清楚講明白那最後還是要用一點時間這個時間真的非常珍貴我請教一下次長\n\n16\n00:05:27,597 --> 00:05:42,985\n我直接來問您這個今天本席要問的一個部分就是您剛剛也有提到說您要提出一個3加2新5專模式說科大可以跟高職合作無論是用合併或雙聯學位的方法專一、專二、專三在高職就讀專四、專五在科大我想請教一下你這個案子一出來\n\n17\n00:05:47,948 --> 00:05:58,937\n這幾天不管是各個學校的校長不管是老師、家長我們大家一頭霧水我請教一下這個是一個確定的案子嗎那你有跟這個高職或是專科或是科大開過會嗎這是個構想那我們在內部有討論過這樣子\n\n18\n00:06:04,841 --> 00:06:28,567\n主持人內部討論你完全都還沒有跟相關的學校來開過會喔還沒完全都沒有那次長本席在這裡真的要糾正喔這個東西喔您今天已經是次長了教育的政策我記得本席跟您說過我們一定不能喔一直翻轉一直翻轉你這樣拼命翻轉到最後會翻車你知道嗎所以呢我們過去20年教改革得太厲害了我們應該要先確定方向微調\n\n19\n00:06:30,207 --> 00:06:34,911\n現在教育部在開這部車子不能猛踩油門你要先確定方向嘛所以如果你都還沒有跟科大、高職、教育單位來溝通協調過對外就開始講這個新五專模式本期覺得不太好那當然我再請教一下現在這個新五專模式你們說在內部開過會了嘛那這個將來上路的時候有沒有涉及修法還是現行的法規我們就可以作業\n\n20\n00:06:54,565 --> 00:07:03,716\n我是用現行的法規就可以作業的現行的法規就可以作業好那我請教一下3加2高職念了這個三年科大念兩年那未來誰要去3加4\n\n21\n00:07:05,254 --> 00:07:07,455\n你說邊讀書是指3加2還是3加4?我跟你說當然是有但是不是全部阿\n\n22\n00:07:29,422 --> 00:07:52,307\n所以你今天把3加2推出來我就請教一下未來3加4的部分誰要去讀那會不會造成科大其實現在也是很擔憂那3加2那本來可以收4年的學生現在變成2年這也是一個問題你有沒有考慮過這兩個是並行的我們沒有要去取代沒有要取代那請教一下如果我們沒有要去取代現在到底是叫做合併還是叫做合作\n\n23\n00:07:53,808 --> 00:07:54,629\n他到底要拿哪一個學位?\n\n24\n00:08:09,605 --> 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那我請教一下3加2高職念了這個三年 科大念兩年那未來誰要去3加4\n425254\t427455\t你說邊讀書是指3加2還是3加4?我跟你說當然是有 但是不是全部阿\n449422\t472307\t所以你今天把3加2推出來我就請教一下未來3加4的部分誰要去讀那會不會造成科大其實現在也是很擔憂那3加2那本來可以收4年的學生現在變成2年這也是一個問題你有沒有考慮過這兩個是並行的我們沒有要去取代沒有要取代那請教一下如果我們沒有要去取代現在到底是叫做合併還是叫做合作\n473808\t474629\t他到底要拿哪一個學位?\n489605\t491826\t你到時候到底是科大去找高職還是高職去找科大還是教育部做媒人是哪一種\n510560\t534315\t他們倆其實像這個政策推出後舉例來講像已經有科大跟我們講說當地的高職技高就已經在找他們合作所以我們其實是希望科大跟高職一起合作去招生沒有那個一起合作啦一定是一起合作嘛你政策出來你就叫他們一起合作嘛那到底是科大要主動去找高職合作還是高職找科大合作還是你有一套政策你可以幫助他們用什麼方式去做媒合嘛這很重要呀\n535683\t537504\t我們並沒有要強迫他們去做這個事情 沒有\n554296\t575755\t市長我想強迫不來而且我也相信你這個政策的出發點是好意是美意但是本期還是要提醒您以及新上任的部長我們剛上來真的不要像過去歷任的部長一樣每一個部長上來好像都要改一下才代表自己是有這個教育的遠見我們真的要循規蹈矩按部就班來做那3加2這個政策沒有不好\n576516\t576656\t好,沒問題,謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝召委,我們有請葉丙成次長好,葉次長好,次長早\n市長,第一次來備詢有緊張嗎?有緊張,你放心鬆我們今天會好好來討論一些教育議題,沒有那麼緊張我們教育文化委員會是很peace的,好嗎?市長,您上任以來有沒有注意到我們大漢技術學院的這個案件?\n大漢技術學院的董事會在今年2月無預警地宣布在113年起依照私校法要停教在114年要停辦這引起全國都有關注這件事情師生也非常的不滿那我請教一下次長大漢技術學院目前的狀況有沒有體質差的狀況包括財務惡化、失智不足或者學生受教權益這個檢核不通過有沒有\n沒有沒有都沒有好所以呢大汗的這個董事會啊大家都在說一次是要規避日後我們的校產啊被依照私校退場條例清算所以他用先斬後奏的方式來突襲依據私校法第71條停招而且改辦那這種做法其實他是不顧教職員跟學生的權益讓教育部其實措手不及啦那剛剛次長也講到了我們沒有以上這三項問題喔那我們也知道\n其實他如果要依照不管私校法70條、71條等等他都應該要先提出計畫要先來抱準才能夠往下做那他現在的做法就是倒行逆施到這種程度完全沒有抱準然後自行對外就宣布他要停招他要停辦這樣的一個做法教育部現在要怎麼做\n報告委員我想就是如委員所說這個這個停辦計畫目前是我們還沒有他沒有報布那個次長啊其實大漢董事會在上個禮拜上個禮拜三有在召開過校務會議但是高教工會有說因為他們現在自救嘛因為教育部看起來好像沒有辦法幫他們所以他們有過半數的教師是加入工會的所以到現在為止校方是沒有辦法把停辦計畫送出來那另外\n校長為了要達成他自己要送出停辦計畫書的這個目的所以他也更換了校務會員這個會議的委員並且把工會原來的行政職務也解職了總之他用各種方式就是要自行的停辦停招這樣的一個做法請問一下從事情發生到現在教育部有沒有去溝通了解有沒有違法\n市長你等他的這個送上來他今天就沒有送上來就已經對外就已經對外說他要停招停辦啦現在的問題不是要等他送上來這樣子教育部的做法太慢囉這個其實他並沒有對我們的了解是這個並不是他們在對外講因為我覺得我們要他沒有在對外講那請問一下他今年還要繼續續招續辦嗎\n我沒有看到他停辦計畫他今年還會繼續續辦續招嗎?你能保證他今年繼續續辦續招?\n我請司長補充一下跟委員報告那今年113學年度能不能停招當然要等部裡面核定他才能夠確定所以現在沒有核定我請教一下他今年會不會續招我們還沒有核定前他當然可以續招所以如果他今年在你沒有核定前他就停招了有沒有違法\n跟委員報告有沒有違法告訴我就好當然有違法好來次長請教一下那如果違法的話我們教育部要怎麼做如果違法的話我們當然是要依私效法來處理怎麼處理我請司長補充跟委員報告假如他針對停招這一個事由我們當然要看他你跟我說怎麼處理就好今天時間非常有限那他們目前就我們知道他們已經有在招\n市長您的意思是說媒體說對外要停招停辦都是媒體亂說的那這個都是空穴來風您現在的意思是這樣嗎不是不是空穴來風那如果他今年是停招的情況之下我們要怎麼去處理他\n因為剛剛司長也說這違法了嘛,那要怎麼處理?因為他學校可以單招,所以我們還是會讓他單招,因為他學校從110開始就已經是單招,他不參加連招,所以他的時間只要在開學前...但市長,如果是這樣的話,他的計畫書現在還沒有送上來,你也還沒有核准他,如果他聽到的話有違法的話,教育部一定要出面,我想這個...\n因為今天的時間真的非常有限\n那我希望這個會後能夠司長再到我辦公室來我們把大旱的這個案子說清楚講明白那最後還是要用一點時間這個時間真的非常珍貴我請教一下次長\n我直接來問您這個今天本席要問的一個部分就是您剛剛也有提到說您要提出一個3加2新5專模式說科大可以跟高職合作無論是用合併或雙聯學位的方法專一、專二、專三在高職就讀專四、專五在科大我想請教一下你這個案子一出來\n這幾天不管是各個學校的校長不管是老師、家長我們大家一頭霧水我請教一下這個是一個確定的案子嗎那你有跟這個高職或是專科或是科大開過會嗎這是個構想那我們在內部有討論過這樣子\n主持人內部討論你完全都還沒有跟相關的學校來開過會喔還沒完全都沒有那次長本席在這裡真的要糾正喔這個東西喔您今天已經是次長了教育的政策我記得本席跟您說過我們一定不能喔一直翻轉一直翻轉你這樣拼命翻轉到最後會翻車你知道嗎所以呢我們過去20年教改革得太厲害了我們應該要先確定方向微調\n現在教育部在開這部車子不能猛踩油門你要先確定方向嘛所以如果你都還沒有跟科大、高職、教育單位來溝通協調過對外就開始講這個新五專模式本期覺得不太好那當然我再請教一下現在這個新五專模式你們說在內部開過會了嘛那這個將來上路的時候有沒有涉及修法還是現行的法規我們就可以作業\n我是用現行的法規就可以作業的現行的法規就可以作業好 那我請教一下3加2高職念了這個三年 科大念兩年那未來誰要去3加4\n你說邊讀書是指3加2還是3加4?我跟你說當然是有 但是不是全部阿\n所以你今天把3加2推出來我就請教一下未來3加4的部分誰要去讀那會不會造成科大其實現在也是很擔憂那3加2那本來可以收4年的學生現在變成2年這也是一個問題你有沒有考慮過這兩個是並行的我們沒有要去取代沒有要取代那請教一下如果我們沒有要去取代現在到底是叫做合併還是叫做合作\n他到底要拿哪一個學位?\n你到時候到底是科大去找高職還是高職去找科大還是教育部做媒人是哪一種\n他們倆其實像這個政策推出後舉例來講像已經有科大跟我們講說當地的高職技高就已經在找他們合作所以我們其實是希望科大跟高職一起合作去招生沒有那個一起合作啦一定是一起合作嘛你政策出來你就叫他們一起合作嘛那到底是科大要主動去找高職合作還是高職找科大合作還是你有一套政策你可以幫助他們用什麼方式去做媒合嘛這很重要呀\n我們並沒有要強迫他們去做這個事情 沒有\n市長我想強迫不來而且我也相信你這個政策的出發點是好意是美意但是本期還是要提醒您以及新上任的部長我們剛上來真的不要像過去歷任的部長一樣每一個部長上來好像都要改一下才代表自己是有這個教育的遠見我們真的要循規蹈矩按部就班來做那3加2這個政策沒有不好\n好,沒問題,謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.160 --> 00:08.086\n謝謝召委,我們有請葉丙成次長好,葉次長好,次長早\n\n00:17.392 --> 00:37.178\n市長,第一次來備詢有緊張嗎?有緊張,你放心鬆我們今天會好好來討論一些教育議題,沒有那麼緊張我們教育文化委員會是很peace的,好嗎?市長,您上任以來有沒有注意到我們大漢技術學院的這個案件?\n\n00:40.696 --> 01:04.446\n大漢技術學院的董事會在今年2月無預警地宣布在113年起依照私校法要停教在114年要停辦這引起全國都有關注這件事情師生也非常的不滿那我請教一下次長大漢技術學院目前的狀況有沒有體質差的狀況包括財務惡化、失智不足或者學生受教權益這個檢核不通過有沒有\n\n01:05.445 --> 01:28.411\n沒有沒有都沒有好所以呢大汗的這個董事會啊大家都在說一次是要規避日後我們的校產啊被依照私校退場條例清算所以他用先斬後奏的方式來突襲依據私校法第71條停招而且改辦那這種做法其實他是不顧教職員跟學生的權益讓教育部其實措手不及啦那剛剛次長也講到了我們沒有以上這三項問題喔那我們也知道\n\n01:30.191 --> 01:47.868\n其實他如果要依照不管私校法70條、71條等等他都應該要先提出計畫要先來抱準才能夠往下做那他現在的做法就是倒行逆施到這種程度完全沒有抱準然後自行對外就宣布他要停招他要停辦這樣的一個做法教育部現在要怎麼做\n\n01:49.658 --> 02:15.124\n報告委員我想就是如委員所說這個這個停辦計畫目前是我們還沒有他沒有報布那個次長啊其實大漢董事會在上個禮拜上個禮拜三有在召開過校務會議但是高教工會有說因為他們現在自救嘛因為教育部看起來好像沒有辦法幫他們所以他們有過半數的教師是加入工會的所以到現在為止校方是沒有辦法把停辦計畫送出來那另外\n\n02:15.584 --> 02:35.146\n校長為了要達成他自己要送出停辦計畫書的這個目的所以他也更換了校務會員這個會議的委員並且把工會原來的行政職務也解職了總之他用各種方式就是要自行的停辦停招這樣的一個做法請問一下從事情發生到現在教育部有沒有去溝通了解有沒有違法\n\n02:41.540 --> 03:02.278\n市長你等他的這個送上來他今天就沒有送上來就已經對外就已經對外說他要停招停辦啦現在的問題不是要等他送上來這樣子教育部的做法太慢囉這個其實他並沒有對我們的了解是這個並不是他們在對外講因為我覺得我們要他沒有在對外講那請問一下他今年還要繼續續招續辦嗎\n\n03:04.542 --> 03:06.764\n我沒有看到他停辦計畫他今年還會繼續續辦續招嗎?你能保證他今年繼續續辦續招?\n\n03:12.522 --> 03:34.395\n我請司長補充一下跟委員報告那今年113學年度能不能停招當然要等部裡面核定他才能夠確定所以現在沒有核定我請教一下他今年會不會續招我們還沒有核定前他當然可以續招所以如果他今年在你沒有核定前他就停招了有沒有違法\n\n03:35.643 --> 04:03.284\n跟委員報告有沒有違法告訴我就好當然有違法好來次長請教一下那如果違法的話我們教育部要怎麼做如果違法的話我們當然是要依私效法來處理怎麼處理我請司長補充跟委員報告假如他針對停招這一個事由我們當然要看他你跟我說怎麼處理就好今天時間非常有限那他們目前就我們知道他們已經有在招\n\n04:05.639 --> 04:19.557\n市長您的意思是說媒體說對外要停招停辦都是媒體亂說的那這個都是空穴來風您現在的意思是這樣嗎不是不是空穴來風那如果他今年是停招的情況之下我們要怎麼去處理他\n\n04:20.578 --> 04:24.481\n因為剛剛司長也說這違法了嘛,那要怎麼處理?因為他學校可以單招,所以我們還是會讓他單招,因為他學校從110開始就已經是單招,他不參加連招,所以他的時間只要在開學前...但市長,如果是這樣的話,他的計畫書現在還沒有送上來,你也還沒有核准他,如果他聽到的話有違法的話,教育部一定要出面,我想這個...\n\n04:44.096 --> 04:44.516\n因為今天的時間真的非常有限\n\n05:13.897 --> 05:24.466\n那我希望這個會後能夠司長再到我辦公室來我們把大旱的這個案子說清楚講明白那最後還是要用一點時間這個時間真的非常珍貴我請教一下次長\n\n05:27.597 --> 05:42.985\n我直接來問您這個今天本席要問的一個部分就是您剛剛也有提到說您要提出一個3加2新5專模式說科大可以跟高職合作無論是用合併或雙聯學位的方法專一、專二、專三在高職就讀專四、專五在科大我想請教一下你這個案子一出來\n\n05:47.948 --> 05:58.937\n這幾天不管是各個學校的校長不管是老師、家長我們大家一頭霧水我請教一下這個是一個確定的案子嗎那你有跟這個高職或是專科或是科大開過會嗎這是個構想那我們在內部有討論過這樣子\n\n06:04.841 --> 06:28.567\n主持人內部討論你完全都還沒有跟相關的學校來開過會喔還沒完全都沒有那次長本席在這裡真的要糾正喔這個東西喔您今天已經是次長了教育的政策我記得本席跟您說過我們一定不能喔一直翻轉一直翻轉你這樣拼命翻轉到最後會翻車你知道嗎所以呢我們過去20年教改革得太厲害了我們應該要先確定方向微調\n\n06:30.207 --> 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