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00:01:32,692\n嗯,就是行政部門對這事情的關注度不及我們立法委員關注度啦所以我在想說我們今天已經在審這個就是植物診療師法的時候所以我在想說這只是特別點一個狀態就是說如果真的關心的時候腳步要加快好不好那我在想說從2017年開始到現在那我知道說我們之前原本是用那個植物醫生這樣一個名詞那說實話農業部這邊可能也儲備了很多植物醫生請問到目前為止總共有多少人?\n\n5\n00:01:33,112 --> 00:01:54,000\n我們現在目前在各縣市政府跟各感染場大概有100位的儲備的植物醫師。是,已經有100位的儲備醫生了嘛,對不對?那我想請問一下,我們這個儲備醫生當時在提這個部分的時候,他有特別提到說我們希望從2017年再推這個植物醫生,現在叫植物診療師,那到2027年希望10年的時間能夠讓農藥減半嘛,對不對?請問到目前為止進度如何?\n\n6\n00:02:02,643 --> 00:02:05,185\n我跟委員說明,現在農藥的一個減半,我們是強調在農藥的風險的減半。農藥風險的減半,不是農藥量的減半。對,是農藥風險的一個,就是\n\n7\n00:02:17,779 --> 00:02:20,302\n對於高劇毒的農藥我們會加速它退場那我記得現在目前為止我們的劇毒農藥退場已經達到75%了超過一半了\n\n8\n00:02:37,222 --> 00:02:55,240\n對,因為有一些農藥它用的量可能比較多但是它的風險是比較低的所以我們有針對它的風險只是做加權這也是目前全世界的共同規範所以我們期待說在2007年能夠達到風險減半的目標我們希望還是能夠打草\n\n9\n00:02:56,161 --> 00:03:07,917\n所以是風險減半不是藥量減半嗎?那我想問一下因為像農民在用藥的時候很多都是預防性的下藥那真的在預防性下藥的時候我們植物診療師要怎麼樣子開這個處方?\n\n10\n00:03:11,327 --> 00:03:31,207\n我跟委員說明一下就是整個病床外的一個防治特別是在床外的時候它會隨著密度會有一個曲線的急速生長期你在這個曲線的急速生長期之前防治才最有效果那太早但太晚都沒有用像預防性的這些噴藥其實對有一些它的會浪費你的農藥的錢\n\n11\n00:03:32,228 --> 00:03:32,368\nernt6\n\n12\n00:03:50,282 --> 00:04:04,508\nadequure農藥推廣這樣子的一個使命的意思是這樣子嗎是他是一個客製化的一個服務所以他本身是可以開業的那相對的部分就是所以說之後我們對整個植物診療師的一個量\n\n13\n00:04:07,009 --> 00:04:29,557\n就是您原本在預估的時候,當我們開始證照制度之後的時候,大概預計的人數會多少人?我們預估大概是,totally大概是3000人。那這些3000人有一部分會配置在,如果說農會或是縣市政府,他也可以聘請。那聘請的過程中,他可以用一個資訊服務。那我想問一下就是說,針對這個部分,那麼之後,\n\n14\n00:04:31,678 --> 00:05:00,924\n嗯,植物診療師這個部分它的功能強制性有多高是不是農民所有要買農藥的時候都必須要有植物診療師的處方才能夠去買我跟委員說明這是一個錯誤的一個訊息就是在植物診療師他有他的專屬的簽證的範圍那他的專屬權就在簽證就是他可以開立相關的這些這些診斷的證明那現在目前並沒有所謂的\n\n15\n00:05:01,684 --> 00:05:30,775\nbicy買農藥就一定要診療師要有開診斷,沒有這件事情。所以沒有說買農藥一定要這個植物診療師處方,沒有這樣子的問題,對不對?所以那植物診療師他這當中你怎麼樣去發揮他的影響力,能夠讓他真正達到我們農業部希望他達到的一個使命?我想非常重要的就是植物診療師能夠更精準的診斷他是哪一類的病害,哪一類的蟲藥,那接下來就可以用非常精準的用藥能夠做一個防治。\n\n16\n00:05:31,195 --> 00:05:46,961\n愣另外就是針對這部分我們針對植物診療師之後推到這個市場機制當中的時候會不會增加農民在用藥當中的成本會不會?愣因為有擔心表說處方是不是需要另外付另外一筆費用?愣因為有擔心表說處方是不是需要另外付另外一筆費用?\n\n17\n00:06:33,413 --> 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買農藥就一定要診療師要有開診斷,沒有這件事情。所以沒有說買農藥一定要這個植物診療師處方,沒有這樣子的問題,對不對?所以那植物診療師他這當中你怎麼樣去發揮他的影響力,能夠讓他真正達到我們農業部希望他達到的一個使命?我想非常重要的就是植物診療師能夠更精準的診斷他是哪一類的病害,哪一類的蟲藥,那接下來就可以用非常精準的用藥能夠做一個防治。\n331195\t346961\t愣另外就是針對這部分我們針對植物診療師之後推到這個市場機制當中的時候會不會增加農民在用藥當中的成本會不會?愣因為有擔心表說處方是不是需要另外付另外一筆費用?愣因為有擔心表說處方是不是需要另外付另外一筆費用?\n347261\t362278\t️ ️ ️\n362278\t377910\t​​​​​​​​​​\n377910\t393353\t​​​​​​​​​​​​\n393413\t419404\tadequ毛小孩認養的人數低那持續的擴大當中那針對這個所謂的寵物溝通師我們農業部有沒有打算要進行一些行政指引或者是管理的一個機制我想跟委員說明就是所謂的寵物溝通師他並沒有真正的所謂的科學的一個證據那基本上我們是不會去認同有這樣的一個溝通師到目前為止\n420384\t444206\t️ ️\n444206\t468831\t​​​​​​​​​​​​​​\n469151\t497390\t最後我想特別提一個狀態就是農業部在113年度的投資收益預算數比112年度的預算數減少2億036萬2千元減幅高達24.6%我在想說這個部分我去看了一下裡面的分析其中跟台肥有關我想說你們認為台肥的投資收益明顯減少的部分跟我們今天在推的植物診療師有沒有關係\n498531\t518633\t我跟委員報告,就是台肥本身的盈餘有一些降低,最主要是它在COVID-19整個原物料上漲的時候,它吸收了50%的原物料的一個成本,上漲的一個成本,讓我們的農民可以買到原價的肥料。\n519093\t532924\tbicy,他這個部分算是一個社會的一個經驗診斷。所以113年度農業部這邊的一個投資社會的預算數大幅減低的時候,你覺得是跟我們今天要推的就是植物診療師這部分是沒有關係的?因為他本身台北不賣農藥。\n534538\t534878\t閱讀《台肥有賣農藥》\n","txt":"委員請作詢答。謝主席,我想請下陳部長。陳部長。\n喂齁部長好齁我剛剛聽到您的一個植物診療師法的一個報告啦齁你一開始講說這個法很重要齁可是我覺得很有趣的是因為今天我們審的法當中的時候三個版本都是委員的版本齁其實沒有行政院的版本齁你可以說明一下除了借期不延續的原因\n我跟委員說明,就是行政院因為屆期不續審,所以我們重新再安排院會去通過,因為照我們的一個規範就是我們所有送進立法院的版本一定要經過院會同意。當然當然。 那其實我們也真的期待,就是委員在審查的時候能夠有,能夠等到我們行政院版本送進來來一併審查,這樣的話更能夠去確認整個的未來的一個什麼的方向。\n嗯,就是行政部門對這事情的關注度不及我們立法委員關注度啦所以我在想說我們今天已經在審這個就是植物診療師法的時候所以我在想說這只是特別點一個狀態就是說如果真的關心的時候腳步要加快好不好那我在想說從2017年開始到現在那我知道說我們之前原本是用那個植物醫生這樣一個名詞那說實話農業部這邊可能也儲備了很多植物醫生請問到目前為止總共有多少人?\n我們現在目前在各縣市政府跟各感染場大概有100位的儲備的植物醫師。是,已經有100位的儲備醫生了嘛,對不對?那我想請問一下,我們這個儲備醫生當時在提這個部分的時候,他有特別提到說我們希望從2017年再推這個植物醫生,現在叫植物診療師,那到2027年希望10年的時間能夠讓農藥減半嘛,對不對?請問到目前為止進度如何?\n我跟委員說明,現在農藥的一個減半,我們是強調在農藥的風險的減半。農藥風險的減半,不是農藥量的減半。對,是農藥風險的一個,就是\n對於高劇毒的農藥我們會加速它退場那我記得現在目前為止我們的劇毒農藥退場已經達到75%了超過一半了\n對,因為有一些農藥它用的量可能比較多但是它的風險是比較低的所以我們有針對它的風險只是做加權這也是目前全世界的共同規範所以我們期待說在2007年能夠達到風險減半的目標我們希望還是能夠打草\n所以是風險減半不是藥量減半嗎?那我想問一下因為像農民在用藥的時候很多都是預防性的下藥那真的在預防性下藥的時候我們植物診療師要怎麼樣子開這個處方?\n我跟委員說明一下就是整個病床外的一個防治特別是在床外的時候它會隨著密度會有一個曲線的急速生長期你在這個曲線的急速生長期之前防治才最有效果那太早但太晚都沒有用像預防性的這些噴藥其實對有一些它的會浪費你的農藥的錢\nernt6\nadequure農藥推廣這樣子的一個使命的意思是這樣子嗎是他是一個客製化的一個服務所以他本身是可以開業的那相對的部分就是所以說之後我們對整個植物診療師的一個量\n就是您原本在預估的時候,當我們開始證照制度之後的時候,大概預計的人數會多少人?我們預估大概是,totally大概是3000人。那這些3000人有一部分會配置在,如果說農會或是縣市政府,他也可以聘請。那聘請的過程中,他可以用一個資訊服務。那我想問一下就是說,針對這個部分,那麼之後,\n嗯,植物診療師這個部分它的功能強制性有多高是不是農民所有要買農藥的時候都必須要有植物診療師的處方才能夠去買我跟委員說明這是一個錯誤的一個訊息就是在植物診療師他有他的專屬的簽證的範圍那他的專屬權就在簽證就是他可以開立相關的這些這些診斷的證明那現在目前並沒有所謂的\nbicy 買農藥就一定要診療師要有開診斷,沒有這件事情。所以沒有說買農藥一定要這個植物診療師處方,沒有這樣子的問題,對不對?所以那植物診療師他這當中你怎麼樣去發揮他的影響力,能夠讓他真正達到我們農業部希望他達到的一個使命?我想非常重要的就是植物診療師能夠更精準的診斷他是哪一類的病害,哪一類的蟲藥,那接下來就可以用非常精準的用藥能夠做一個防治。\n愣另外就是針對這部分我們針對植物診療師之後推到這個市場機制當中的時候會不會增加農民在用藥當中的成本會不會?愣因為有擔心表說處方是不是需要另外付另外一筆費用?愣因為有擔心表說處方是不是需要另外付另外一筆費用?\n️ ️ ️\n​​​​​​​​​​\n​​​​​​​​​​​​\nadequ毛小孩認養的人數低那持續的擴大當中那針對這個所謂的寵物溝通師我們農業部有沒有打算要進行一些行政指引或者是管理的一個機制我想跟委員說明就是所謂的寵物溝通師他並沒有真正的所謂的科學的一個證據那基本上我們是不會去認同有這樣的一個溝通師到目前為止\n️ ️\n​​​​​​​​​​​​​​\n最後我想特別提一個狀態就是農業部在113年度的投資收益預算數比112年度的預算數減少2億036萬2千元減幅高達24.6%我在想說這個部分我去看了一下裡面的分析其中跟台肥有關我想說你們認為台肥的投資收益明顯減少的部分跟我們今天在推的植物診療師有沒有關係\n我跟委員報告,就是台肥本身的盈餘有一些降低,最主要是它在COVID-19整個原物料上漲的時候,它吸收了50%的原物料的一個成本,上漲的一個成本,讓我們的農民可以買到原價的肥料。\nbicy,他這個部分算是一個社會的一個經驗診斷。所以113年度農業部這邊的一個投資社會的預算數大幅減低的時候,你覺得是跟我們今天要推的就是植物診療師這部分是沒有關係的?因為他本身台北不賣農藥。\n閱讀《台肥有賣農藥》\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.140 --> 00:07.858\n委員請作詢答。謝主席,我想請下陳部長。陳部長。\n\n00:18.018 --> 00:36.798\n喂齁部長好齁我剛剛聽到您的一個植物診療師法的一個報告啦齁你一開始講說這個法很重要齁可是我覺得很有趣的是因為今天我們審的法當中的時候三個版本都是委員的版本齁其實沒有行政院的版本齁你可以說明一下除了借期不延續的原因\n\n00:39.281 --> 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