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00:00:02,767\n謝謝,謝謝主席,我們是不是請葉次長請葉次長好,次長好我老實說你今天的這個口頭報告我還有點失望你看我條列了你過去大家你當然是人氣最紅的這個大學教授你看不管是翻轉、創新、實驗還有Coursera還有這個創新教學都是新就你建議報告的還蠻傳統的\n\n2\n00:00:29,815 --> 00:00:58,796\n所以這一點我以為你會稍微翻一下所以呢我只是期望你應該來翻轉教育部而是教育部把你捅哭變成教育部原本的一個模樣我們就一來就教育次長來我們來看一下AI而且我還是要先說一下當你上任的時候很多南部的一些或是基層的老師其實很害怕身也轉、海也轉、不知道把教育轉到哪裡去然後也有很多南部的教授還是很期待你不要用台大、用台北來做出發點\n\n3\n00:00:59,697 --> 00:00:59,717\n拜訪議員﹗\n\n4\n00:01:20,620 --> 00:01:20,881\n從102年至111年\n\n5\n00:01:36,022 --> 00:01:43,287\n雖然是有少子化但是呢你可以看得出來STEM的學生減少的減幅大概是達到15%這是非常高的一個比率所以表示我們臺灣雖然是個科技大廠但是學生願意進入這樣的一個系統的理工科的系統其實是有減少的一個趨勢那我們再來看\n\n6\n00:01:56,096 --> 00:02:06,867\n所以教育部呢他特別提到了就是說我們希望能夠研發半導體的課程然後在112年來做示範我們先不要看你的同事講什麼你同意這件事嗎次長你說教育部要來研發這個半導體的課程然後在我們這個高中的地方來做一些示範你覺得呢\n\n7\n00:02:16,756 --> 00:02:30,721\n我們其實覺得在多元選修這個部分讓同學有更多的各種不只是半導體領域包括我們最近在研議就是說包括像AI的領域因為你要高中的量能去開這種多元選修課其實是滿困難的是\n\n8\n00:02:31,761 --> 00:02:38,211\n但是呢我還是要請你來看一下你的同事也是我們臺大電子學院的張耀文院長就提到了其實呢108年弱化這個數理科才是半導體產業最大的一個殺手\n\n9\n00:02:47,085 --> 00:02:49,386\n他說那你也不用給我開什麼樣的部分我們台大目前為止對於很多學生把你送到我們台大啦台大啊這Top1的學校啊我們都可能對於他們這個所謂的數理的基礎的核心數理恐怕都還是要再加強為什麼\n\n10\n00:03:03,114 --> 00:03:06,596\n99年的課綱必修課是16學分1108課綱只剩下8學分4個領域大概幾乎都可分到2學分而已我們再來看下面所以呢你看整個課綱來說的話他們認為這才是個最重要的你贊同他的講的話嗎報告委員這個可能是有誤解因為如果我們加上這個這個加深加廣的這個學分數的話其實是沒有減少的\n\n11\n00:03:28,308 --> 00:03:28,408\n我覺得還好\n\n12\n00:03:39,383 --> 00:03:40,604\n所以他的數位能力會特別好,是不是?\n\n13\n00:04:00,598 --> 00:04:03,580\n還有一個明星高中的老師就講吧把中小學自然科學教育教好比半導體的課程更重要我只要凸顯\n\n14\n00:04:28,877 --> 00:04:30,518\n接下來我要來問一下這是必答題你是賴清德總統邀請你來當政策的嗎?\n\n15\n00:04:55,894 --> 00:05:13,433\n所以不是賴清德總統?為什麼?因為你要被他的教育政策來做背書你看他這個部分來說的話包括他的雙語教育你跟他在做這個不良大叔的時候你專訪他\n\n16\n00:05:14,534 --> 00:05:19,076\n他特別提出了2030四雙語教育的政策你身為高教的這個部分你覺得有沒有機會還有呢他也特別在他的就職演說當中認為應該遞出橄欖枝然後呢對於大陸的學生應該來做一個開放你目前為止掌管高教你有跟其他的學校來討論過陸生入學的這樣的相關的細節嗎\n\n17\n00:05:37,761 --> 00:05:39,342\n您開始跟這些大學來做這樣的處理了嗎?沒有問題,你現在有沒有跟這些大學的部分裡面,招生裡面來討論這件事情?\n\n18\n00:05:56,075 --> 00:05:58,277\n接下來他的雙語教育目前為止高就要執行EMR的全英語的課程那這是選擇題嗎?還是必須要?\n\n19\n00:06:21,033 --> 00:06:42,643\n你認為專業比較重要還是用一堆不通順的英文來教專業比較重要?報告章偉這個是學校來申請的所以並不是我們強迫他所以是個選項我告訴各位目前來說我們私校招收外籍的學生對英文來說你認為他有沒有門檻就你的理解你說私校招收外籍學生\n\n20\n00:06:44,064 --> 00:07:00,155\n有門檻沒有,現在你只要進來其實都可以所以呢這就是一個非常大的一個問題非常多這些很多學生都不是來自於英文不是他們的母語我們的大學老師也不是母語所以大家人就是用非母語的這語言都來做這樣一個教學而且呢國發會和教育部還攜手鼓勵非常多的移工來台灣念大學\n\n21\n00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:07,701\n請教次長,你知道很多東南亞的學生來台灣,念書最大的誘因是什麼嗎?\n\n22\n00:07:25,387 --> 00:07:42,160\n我跟委員報告因為我們在這個新南向的這個專班其實我們在招生基地我們都有華語的課他要上到要檢定到A2的等級他才能夠來談我先問我剛剛問的問題你有點太緊張問他說你覺得讓這些人到我們這邊來念書最大的用意是什麼\n\n23\n00:07:42,500 --> 00:07:57,886\n我講工作可能是他一個很大的因素是不是所以說打工很容易然後又有很多獎學金但我們台灣本土學生都沒有這麼多獎學金的時候他們比別人拿到更多的獎學金而且一拿就可以拿到工作證而且教育部只規定只規定你每週工作時數最多20小時但是呢很多時候國際處根本就沒有辦法\n\n24\n00:08:04,949 --> 00:08:12,354\n從這個學校到底有沒有打工超時沒有辦法做到這樣的一個處理難怪非常多的東南亞學生過來而且你從106年開始你知道我們現在最多的東南亞學生是哪一國嗎越南現在是越南之前是馬來西亞但是馬來西亞你可以看得出來他們增幅很大但現在已經急速下降為什麼因為中國大陸提供他們更大的一個誘因了\n\n25\n00:08:26,664 --> 00:08:41,031\n所以我個人建議當中來說呢我覺得次長因為你的辨識度很高你應該你也不用為福出巡你就大膽的去出巡一下事實上我們投入這麼多高教的資源在我們這些地方當中我說實在你真的是可以把新南向的政策好好給翻轉一下\n\n26\n00:08:42,964 --> 00:09:09,838\n可以嗎?你這個績效來說我們現在遭受不到一些所謂真正的英語系的國家反而來自這新南向的國家這些以我在大學教學的一個經驗來說這些學生來對他們來說學費便宜有獎學金然後又可以打工我覺得這個對我們來說的話這個是我們台灣吸引新南向學生最大的一個目標嗎?這樣的聲援有辦法真正救到我們要急於平民邊\n\n27\n00:09:10,638 --> 00:09:11,598\n您覺得有沒有一個可以解決的方法簡短的方式\n\n28\n00:09:40,485 --> 00:09:54,161\n我想我們就是有一個先澄清一下跟委員報告朝委報告四十幾家裡面其實很多我們大學目前其實是沒有這種專輔的學校所以那個比較多大家在媒體上講可能是比較是高中職這個部分\n\n29\n00:10:11,892 --> 00:10:23,301\n所謂的退場的潮流流浪老師不願念博士搜大部分為了補足聲援都是來自不曉得要講什麼語言的新南下這些學生這都是我們臺灣高等教育一個最大的問題我還是強調一次為了配合AI我說實在我們不能吃老本如果你沒有把辦法在高中開始以上就把這些理化的科目的核心課程好好的紮實我覺得大學端說實在的會非常的辛苦這點你應該同意吧\n\n30\n00:10:43,016 --> 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簡短的方式\n580485\t594161\t我想我們就是 有一個先澄清一下跟委員報告 朝委報告 四十幾家裡面其實很多我們大學目前其實是沒有這種專輔的學校 所以那個比較多大家在媒體上講可能是比較是高中職這個部分\n595282\t611732\t⋯⋯⋯\n611892\t623301\t所謂的退場的潮流流浪老師不願念博士搜大部分為了補足聲援都是來自不曉得要講什麼語言的新南下這些學生這都是我們臺灣高等教育一個最大的問題我還是強調一次為了配合AI我說實在我們不能吃老本如果你沒有把辦法在高中開始以上就把這些理化的科目的核心課程好好的紮實我覺得大學端說實在的會非常的辛苦這點你應該同意吧\n643016\t646660\t我希望新南向的這個翻轉那才是你真的可以翻轉真正配合上這個翻轉教授的一個最大的一個目標好謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝,謝謝主席,我們是不是請葉次長請葉次長好,次長好我老實說你今天的這個口頭報告我還有點失望你看我條列了你過去大家你當然是人氣最紅的這個大學教授你看不管是翻轉、創新、實驗還有Coursera還有這個創新教學都是新就你建議報告的還蠻傳統的\n所以這一點我以為你會稍微翻一下所以呢我只是期望你應該來翻轉教育部而是教育部把你捅哭變成教育部原本的一個模樣我們就一來就教育次長來我們來看一下AI而且我還是要先說一下當你上任的時候很多南部的一些或是基層的老師其實很害怕身也轉、海也轉、不知道把教育轉到哪裡去然後也有很多南部的教授還是很期待你不要用台大、用台北來做出發點\n拜訪議員﹗\n從102年至111年\n雖然是有少子化但是呢你可以看得出來STEM的學生減少的減幅大概是達到15%這是非常高的一個比率所以表示我們臺灣雖然是個科技大廠但是學生願意進入這樣的一個系統的理工科的系統其實是有減少的一個趨勢那我們再來看\n所以教育部呢他特別提到了就是說我們希望能夠研發半導體的課程然後在112年來做示範我們先不要看你的同事講什麼你同意這件事嗎次長你說教育部要來研發這個半導體的課程然後在我們這個高中的地方來做一些示範你覺得呢\n我們其實覺得在多元選修這個部分讓同學有更多的各種不只是半導體領域包括我們最近在研議就是說包括像AI的領域因為你要高中的量能去開這種多元選修課其實是滿困難的是\n但是呢我還是要請你來看一下你的同事也是我們臺大電子學院的張耀文院長就提到了其實呢108年弱化這個數理科才是半導體產業最大的一個殺手\n他說那你也不用給我開什麼樣的部分我們台大目前為止對於很多學生把你送到我們台大啦 台大啊 這Top1的學校啊我們都可能對於他們這個所謂的數理的基礎的核心數理 恐怕都還是要再加強 為什麼\n99年的課綱必修課是16學分1108課綱只剩下8學分4個領域大概幾乎都可分到2學分而已我們再來看下面所以呢你看整個課綱來說的話他們認為這才是個最重要的你贊同他的講的話嗎報告委員這個可能是有誤解因為如果我們加上這個這個加深加廣的這個學分數的話其實是沒有減少的\n我覺得還好\n所以他的數位能力會特別好,是不是?\n還有一個明星高中的老師就講吧把中小學自然科學教育教好比半導體的課程更重要我只要凸顯\n接下來我要來問一下這是必答題你是賴清德總統邀請你來當政策的嗎?\n所以不是賴清德總統?為什麼?因為你要被他的教育政策來做背書你看他這個部分來說的話包括他的雙語教育你跟他在做這個不良大叔的時候你專訪他\n他特別提出了2030四雙語教育的政策你身為高教的這個部分你覺得有沒有機會還有呢他也特別在他的就職演說當中認為應該遞出橄欖枝然後呢對於大陸的學生應該來做一個開放你目前為止掌管高教你有跟其他的學校來討論過陸生入學的這樣的相關的細節嗎\n您開始跟這些大學來做這樣的處理了嗎?沒有問題,你現在有沒有跟這些大學的部分裡面,招生裡面來討論這件事情?\n接下來他的雙語教育目前為止高就要執行EMR的全英語的課程那這是選擇題嗎?還是必須要?\n你認為專業比較重要還是用一堆不通順的英文來教專業比較重要?報告章偉這個是學校來申請的所以並不是我們強迫他所以是個選項我告訴各位目前來說我們私校招收外籍的學生對英文來說你認為他有沒有門檻就你的理解你說私校招收外籍學生\n有門檻沒有,現在你只要進來其實都可以所以呢這就是一個非常大的一個問題非常多這些很多學生都不是來自於英文不是他們的母語我們的大學老師也不是母語所以大家人就是用非母語的這語言都來做這樣一個教學而且呢國發會和教育部還攜手鼓勵非常多的移工來台灣念大學\n請教次長,你知道很多東南亞的學生來台灣,念書最大的誘因是什麼嗎?\n我跟委員報告因為我們在這個新南向的這個專班其實我們在招生基地我們都有華語的課他要上到要檢定到A2的等級他才能夠來談我先問我剛剛問的問題你有點太緊張問他說你覺得讓這些人到我們這邊來念書最大的用意是什麼\n我講工作可能是他一個很大的因素是不是所以說打工很容易然後又有很多獎學金但我們台灣本土學生都沒有這麼多獎學金的時候他們比別人拿到更多的獎學金而且一拿就可以拿到工作證而且教育部只規定只規定你每週工作時數最多20小時但是呢很多時候國際處根本就沒有辦法\n從這個學校到底有沒有打工超時沒有辦法做到這樣的一個處理難怪非常多的東南亞學生過來而且你從106年開始你知道我們現在最多的東南亞學生是哪一國嗎越南現在是越南之前是馬來西亞但是馬來西亞你可以看得出來他們增幅很大但現在已經急速下降為什麼因為中國大陸提供他們更大的一個誘因了\n所以我個人建議當中來說呢我覺得次長因為你的辨識度很高你應該你也不用為福出巡你就大膽的去出巡一下事實上我們投入這麼多高教的資源在我們這些地方當中我說實在你真的是可以把新南向的政策好好給翻轉一下\n可以嗎?你這個績效來說我們現在遭受不到一些所謂真正的英語系的國家反而來自這新南向的國家這些以我在大學教學的一個經驗來說這些學生來對他們來說學費便宜有獎學金然後又可以打工我覺得這個對我們來說的話這個是我們台灣吸引新南向學生最大的一個目標嗎?這樣的聲援有辦法真正救到我們要急於平民邊\n您覺得有沒有一個可以解決的方法 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02:30.721\n我們其實覺得在多元選修這個部分讓同學有更多的各種不只是半導體領域包括我們最近在研議就是說包括像AI的領域因為你要高中的量能去開這種多元選修課其實是滿困難的是\n\n02:31.761 --> 02:38.211\n但是呢我還是要請你來看一下你的同事也是我們臺大電子學院的張耀文院長就提到了其實呢108年弱化這個數理科才是半導體產業最大的一個殺手\n\n02:47.085 --> 02:49.386\n他說那你也不用給我開什麼樣的部分我們台大目前為止對於很多學生把你送到我們台大啦台大啊這Top1的學校啊我們都可能對於他們這個所謂的數理的基礎的核心數理恐怕都還是要再加強為什麼\n\n03:03.114 --> 03:06.596\n99年的課綱必修課是16學分1108課綱只剩下8學分4個領域大概幾乎都可分到2學分而已我們再來看下面所以呢你看整個課綱來說的話他們認為這才是個最重要的你贊同他的講的話嗎報告委員這個可能是有誤解因為如果我們加上這個這個加深加廣的這個學分數的話其實是沒有減少的\n\n03:28.308 --> 03:28.408\n我覺得還好\n\n03:39.383 --> 03:40.604\n所以他的數位能力會特別好,是不是?\n\n04:00.598 --> 04:03.580\n還有一個明星高中的老師就講吧把中小學自然科學教育教好比半導體的課程更重要我只要凸顯\n\n04:28.877 --> 04:30.518\n接下來我要來問一下這是必答題你是賴清德總統邀請你來當政策的嗎?\n\n04:55.894 --> 05:13.433\n所以不是賴清德總統?為什麼?因為你要被他的教育政策來做背書你看他這個部分來說的話包括他的雙語教育你跟他在做這個不良大叔的時候你專訪他\n\n05:14.534 --> 05:19.076\n他特別提出了2030四雙語教育的政策你身為高教的這個部分你覺得有沒有機會還有呢他也特別在他的就職演說當中認為應該遞出橄欖枝然後呢對於大陸的學生應該來做一個開放你目前為止掌管高教你有跟其他的學校來討論過陸生入學的這樣的相關的細節嗎\n\n05:37.761 --> 05:39.342\n您開始跟這些大學來做這樣的處理了嗎?沒有問題,你現在有沒有跟這些大學的部分裡面,招生裡面來討論這件事情?\n\n05:56.075 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