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……像我們新北就大概是六、四比吧！"],["曾主任委員智勇：對。"],["蘇委員巧慧：大概是這樣的狀況，所以一定是地方縣市政府。因此剛剛說的個人和協會只能反映意見給公所……"],["主席：對！反映意見。"],["蘇委員巧慧：反映意見，然後公所也代為轉達到地方縣市政府。"],["主席：對。"],["曾主任委員智勇：對。"],["蘇委員巧慧：我剛剛要說的其實也就是這樣，謝謝主席，大家一起把這件事情弄得更清楚。"],["主席：對。"],["曾主任委員智勇：謝謝，好。"],["主席：要不然族人搞不清楚，為什麼……"],["蘇委員巧慧：以為自己就可以申請。"],["主席：對，為什麼我提出的都沒有，然後每次回應的時候就是沒有經費……"],["蘇委員巧慧：對。"],["主席：所以要比例啦！對不對？講清楚，縣市政府往中央報的時候，中央也要出一部分的比例，如果那個……"],["蘇委員巧慧：如果通過了的話。"],["主席：對，如果中央通過。中央通過的話，如果地方政府也不編那一半，可能也做不到嘛！"],["曾主任委員智勇：對。"],["主席：是不是？所以中央跟地方要配合……"],["曾主任委員智勇：是。"],["主席：才能夠完成這件事情。"],["蘇委員巧慧：而且中央大概會按著地方政府陳報上來的順序吧！不然的話，為什麼地方政府認為他是第一優先、第二優先、第三優先，中央是跳到後面去，這個也是有問題的狀況。"],["主席：對，所以非常多族人都會有很多的問號，這個我們要一併講清楚，好嗎？"],["曾主任委員智勇：好。"],["主席：好，謝謝。","繼續請王美惠委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":460,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-15-24","speakers":["高金素梅","蘇巧慧","王美惠","張宏陸","牛煦庭","黃仁","黃捷","許宇甄","吳琪銘","徐欣瑩","鄭天財Sra 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00:00:36,282\n關心的題目就是都市原住民的權益為優先所以我今天想跟你談談的是在我選區常常發生的一個問題就是我們在都市的原住民聚會所到底要怎麼樣才可以得到政府的幫助讓我們有機會可以建置起來因為我們在都會地區我們還是希望有我們族人朋友可以活動就像在自己故鄉一樣的狀況那這個最需要什麼\n\n3\n00:00:58,948 --> 00:01:09,713\n需要的是寬闊的地方嘛對不對因為說實在的我們的活動常常都是平面式的不管是舞蹈啦祭祀啊等等你如果是這樣我們在高樓大廈內或者室內空間其實看起來都不像也沒有辦法完整我這個認知主委應該合理啦齁合理\n\n4\n00:01:19,158 --> 00:01:34,451\n好那我現在呢其實這問題問了很多年我現在是很高興看到您在今天你的報告裡面吼這一份都會區原住民族的權益保障措施精進方案裡面你有寫到你們在今年開始會\n\n5\n00:01:36,232 --> 00:01:50,233\n建制原住民族的主流化友善空間計畫打造都市地區的原住民族文化傳統場域這個和我需要的原住民、都市原住民地區的這個聚會所會有相關嗎?我可以因為這個計畫得到幫助嗎?\n\n6\n00:01:53,056 --> 00:02:13,543\n跟委員報告我們在都會區特別是我們的族人要借場地或者是使用場地辦各項的活動很需要有一個屬於自己的一個空間那我們這個我們有一個這樣的一個計劃就是都會區我看是今年開始的從113年到116年我們\n\n7\n00:02:17,935 --> 00:02:38,095\n可以有這樣的一個計畫來協助這個計畫全部是10億4年10億的計畫10億的計畫那可以就可以提報這樣都市比較多原住民的而且是比較需要這樣產業的我們願意來協助好那我就想問了我覺得我很高興看到有這個計畫這個方向但是那我就想知道4年10億的計畫那你們是如何選定這個地點\n\n8\n00:02:41,918 --> 00:02:52,636\n是我們自己只要我們喜歡我們常用我們高興的就可以嗎還是你有什麼樣的條件或限制那這個條件和限制對我們會有幫助嗎我今天就想聽你細部一點講第一個\n\n9\n00:02:55,100 --> 00:03:11,155\n他必須是人口希望能夠達到一千五百人以上一千五百人以上我這裡到處都是還有希望那個場域的土地如果是沒有問題那是最好因為有問題的話我們又會延宕希望是那個土地沒有問題的話我們來協助會比較快\n\n10\n00:03:13,598 --> 00:03:17,939\n主委,什麼叫做沒有問題?沒有問題的話我還需要找政府嗎?對不對?說實在的這個地方其實就是需要原民會下去協助啦說實在的因為我跟主委說一下我今天看到這個計畫真是一則以喜一則以憂喜的是我們政府看到了族人的需求了\n\n11\n00:03:35,123 --> 00:03:56,658\n所以有要投入費用來預算來幫忙協助大家做這個聚會所可是優的是什麼呢我跟主委說如果你這個之後有機會來到我們新北這邊我至少就可以邀請你去兩個地方一個是我們英哥的南進部落他在領水河邊河岸地我們每年都在那邊舉辦聚會啊可是那個地方就是河灘地啊河灘地可以用來蓋一個島路岸可以蓋一個聚會所嗎我想有困難\n\n12\n00:04:04,884 --> 00:04:25,360\n另外一個地方是我英哥的中湖和永昌的交界中山橋下中山橋下那個地方也很不錯我們平常可以在這邊射箭還有跳舞聚會等等其實都是一個很適合的地方坦白講那個地方還是什麼我們平常區公所清潔隊也有在那邊做一個使用\n\n13\n00:04:26,221 --> 00:04:40,961\n所以在這樣的狀況下那這個地方主委我剛剛講的兩個地方你覺得土地有沒有問題我跟委員報告你委員剛剛講的應該是中那個什麼那個橋那邊那個對比較沒有問題因為它是公有地那裡也比較應該是\n\n14\n00:04:42,683 --> 00:04:47,367\n我這樣看啦是因為我沒有去看過現場但是我覺得那邊會比較沒有問題所以只要土地是可以的或者只要是公家的你們都可以協助把它轉成是原住民朋友可以來做聚會所的地方是這樣嗎主委你在這裡是等於是承諾\n\n15\n00:05:00,796 --> 00:05:14,348\n原民會不只是給錢而且至少好啦我不敢說因為你是中央層級嘛這一定要經過地方政府啦說實在的這一定有跟地方政府合作的部分但是至少原民會你現在是不是可以在備詢台這裡公開的承諾原民會會協助輔導我們族人朋友來就這個計畫爭取到我們最最需要的聚會所這個會跟委員報告那我要找哪個單位\n\n16\n00:05:27,884 --> 00:05:55,662\n我們公建處,我們原民會的公共建設公建處那請你帶著計畫到我的辦公室來我們就各案今天在這裡跟你講通則嘛那我現在已經跟你講了兩個具體的個案了我新北還有更多的地方其實都有這樣的需要你可不可以盤點新北所有目前有需要的有申請過的有列案入案過的地方的都來跟我們辦公室做一個說明看看我們現在進程可以到哪裡可以嗎?公建處這裡主委可以嗎?現在就有資料我們等一下可以提供\n\n17\n00:05:57,743 --> 00:06:04,226\n會後就提供嘛吼,然後我們一個一個個案來談,到底哪幾個可以。好,主委,那我再問你喔,這個是競爭型計畫嗎?對。對吼,所以他有申請的期限嗎?他要用誰做主體來申請?\n\n18\n00:06:12,816 --> 00:06:27,640\n直轄市政府所以必須是要報到市政府市政府還要先把你報上去所以你有沒有入列是市政府決定這個順序嗎市政府會先排一個順序然後才來送你們決定你們按照市政府編排的順序來做勾選來核給經費嗎\n\n19\n00:06:30,717 --> 00:06:44,166\n也不是我們他報上來我們還是要下去看啦當然你要下去看嘛但是這個順序市政府是不是有權利決定一二三四我的意思是說如果到時候沒有過到底是市政府的問題還是是你的問題\n\n20\n00:06:46,726 --> 00:07:10,084\n第一他報上來我們還要下去看啦然後那個優先數據也是會跟地方政府來談所以地方政府是很關鍵的一環就對了啦那我是希望說今天藉著這樣我今天問得這麼細是因為我知道很多族人朋友已經都會看我們的國會頻道我們在問政的過程當中這是一個他們非常關心的問題我很希望今天看到這一則質詢的朋友們可以了解\n\n21\n00:07:12,506 --> 00:07:16,948\n原住民會有開了這樣的計畫我們有心要解決大家的問題但申請的計畫還有步驟還有全責是地方和中央要能夠一起合作的這個是大家原住民會要一起來解決大家的困擾包括土地利用的問題但是錢的部分我希望能夠從寬編列\n\n22\n00:07:33,235 --> 00:07:55,936\n讓大家能夠有一個好的聚會所不然你講文化傳承等等如果沒有場域說實在的其實都很難啊一年沒有跳舞兩年沒有跳舞到時候連腳步都怎麼都已經忘記了同意啦同意好那主委我也在跟您說啦我們昨天在同樣這個會議場上我們在審新住民權益的保障至於要用專法還是要用基本法都還在\n\n23\n00:07:57,758 --> 00:08:17,657\n討論當中。」但是我們可以看得出來其實新住民他在不同的部會裡面有不同的服務單位有常態型和申請型其實非常非常的對主委你有看到這一頁嗎你前面的螢幕應該也是有你覺得原住民也有新住民的新住民的是這樣原住民的我們也有嗎每一項都有嗎\n\n24\n00:08:21,618 --> 00:08:39,555\n我們在內政部有新住民家庭服務中心是常態型服務對象新住民教育部有家庭教育中心常態型服務對象是全民還有教育部仍然還有申請型的新住民學習中心給新住民原住民有沒有比較少\n\n25\n00:08:40,697 --> 00:09:06,464\n不能比較少啊對不對因為我們的建構更完全嘛好我給你看下一頁啦下一頁我幫你整理出來其實我們每一項都有可是我要跟主委再次提醒的其實我們還有更多的計畫就如同剛剛說的其實很多的縣市政府都沒有知道要來申請比如說我們看到衛福部有原住民及離島地區部落的社區健康營造計畫這個齁\n\n26\n00:09:09,133 --> 00:09:34,050\n其實不是只有原鄉可以申請是都會區的原住民部落也可以來申請結果你看看哪幾個縣市有來申請老實講一看哇其實只有高雄市最積極啊高雄市去採訪了去調查了他所有的原民鄉之外連小港區的都市原住民他都來申請這個計畫了那我就想知道為什麼新北沒有\n\n27\n00:09:35,393 --> 00:09:52,330\n為什麼桃園沒有?為什麼台中沒有?是他們的政府比較不積極嗎?還是他們不夠了解?我覺得這個原民會應該要可以幫忙去了解一下。凡是有資源的,我們都應該要可以爭取,不能讓我們的族人朋友搞不清楚狀況啊,到底是中央的還是是地方的嘛。」\n\n28\n00:09:52,870 --> 00:10:14,503\n主委希望這邊可以盤整各部會其他對原民有相關的補助計畫等等能夠提供到我的辦公室我們一起來為族人朋友的權益做爭取這樣可以吧?可以好謝謝主委好謝謝巧惠委員請問一下主委你再回應一下那個風雨球場或者是那個是原民會\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5916\t7896\t好 謝謝主席 我們請曾主委也請曾主委主委好主委剛剛聽到您的報告不管是對人民會的這個業務報告或者是對都市原住民地區的權益我想都有著墨那我想我現在我服務的地方是新北市所以我當然\n31641\t36282\t關心的題目就是都市原住民的權益為優先所以我今天想跟你談談的是在我選區常常發生的一個問題就是我們在都市的原住民聚會所到底要怎麼樣才可以得到政府的幫助讓我們有機會可以建置起來因為我們在都會地區我們還是希望有我們族人朋友可以活動就像在自己故鄉一樣的狀況那這個最需要什麼\n58948\t69713\t需要的是寬闊的地方嘛對不對因為說實在的我們的活動常常都是平面式的不管是舞蹈啦祭祀啊等等你如果是這樣我們在高樓大廈內或者室內空間其實看起來都不像也沒有辦法完整我這個認知主委應該合理啦齁合理\n79158\t94451\t好那我現在呢其實這問題問了很多年我現在是很高興看到您在今天你的報告裡面吼這一份都會區原住民族的權益保障措施精進方案裡面你有寫到你們在今年開始會\n96232\t110233\t建制原住民族的主流化友善空間計畫打造都市地區的原住民族文化傳統場域這個和我需要的原住民、都市原住民地區的這個聚會所會有相關嗎?我可以因為這個計畫得到幫助嗎?\n113056\t133543\t跟委員報告我們在都會區特別是我們的族人要借場地或者是使用場地辦各項的活動很需要有一個屬於自己的一個空間那我們這個我們有一個這樣的一個計劃就是都會區我看是今年開始的從113年到116年我們\n137935\t158095\t可以有這樣的一個計畫來協助這個計畫全部是10億4年10億的計畫10億的計畫那可以就可以提報這樣都市比較多原住民的而且是比較需要這樣產業的我們願意來協助好那我就想問了我覺得我很高興看到有這個計畫這個方向但是那我就想知道4年10億的計畫那你們是如何選定這個地點\n161918\t172636\t是我們自己只要我們喜歡我們常用我們高興的就可以嗎還是你有什麼樣的條件或限制那這個條件和限制對我們會有幫助嗎我今天就想聽你細部一點講第一個\n175100\t191155\t他必須是人口希望能夠達到一千五百人以上一千五百人以上我這裡到處都是還有希望那個場域的土地如果是沒有問題那是最好因為有問題的話我們又會延宕希望是那個土地沒有問題的話我們來協助會比較快\n193598\t197939\t主委,什麼叫做沒有問題?沒有問題的話我還需要找政府嗎?對不對?說實在的這個地方其實就是需要原民會下去協助啦說實在的因為我跟主委說一下我今天看到這個計畫真是一則以喜一則以憂喜的是我們政府看到了族人的需求了\n215123\t236658\t所以有要投入費用來預算來幫忙協助大家做這個聚會所可是優的是什麼呢我跟主委說如果你這個之後有機會來到我們新北這邊我至少就可以邀請你去兩個地方一個是我們英哥的南進部落他在領水河邊河岸地我們每年都在那邊舉辦聚會啊可是那個地方就是河灘地啊河灘地可以用來蓋一個島路岸可以蓋一個聚會所嗎我想有困難\n244884\t265360\t另外一個地方是我英哥的中湖和永昌的交界中山橋下中山橋下那個地方也很不錯我們平常可以在這邊射箭還有跳舞聚會等等其實都是一個很適合的地方坦白講那個地方還是什麼我們平常區公所清潔隊也有在那邊做一個使用\n266221\t280961\t所以在這樣的狀況下那這個地方主委我剛剛講的兩個地方你覺得土地有沒有問題我跟委員報告你委員剛剛講的應該是中那個什麼那個橋那邊那個對比較沒有問題因為它是公有地那裡也比較應該是\n282683\t287367\t我這樣看啦是因為我沒有去看過現場但是我覺得那邊會比較沒有問題所以只要土地是可以的或者只要是公家的你們都可以協助把它轉成是原住民朋友可以來做聚會所的地方是這樣嗎主委你在這裡是等於是承諾\n300796\t314348\t原民會不只是給錢而且至少好啦我不敢說因為你是中央層級嘛這一定要經過地方政府啦說實在的這一定有跟地方政府合作的部分但是至少原民會你現在是不是可以在備詢台這裡公開的承諾原民會會協助輔導我們族人朋友來就這個計畫爭取到我們最最需要的聚會所這個會跟委員報告那我要找哪個單位\n327884\t355662\t我們公建處,我們原民會的公共建設公建處那請你帶著計畫到我的辦公室來我們就各案今天在這裡跟你講通則嘛那我現在已經跟你講了兩個具體的個案了我新北還有更多的地方其實都有這樣的需要你可不可以盤點新北所有目前有需要的有申請過的有列案入案過的地方的都來跟我們辦公室做一個說明看看我們現在進程可以到哪裡可以嗎?公建處這裡主委可以嗎?現在就有資料我們等一下可以提供\n357743\t364226\t會後就提供嘛吼,然後我們一個一個個案來談,到底哪幾個可以。好,主委,那我再問你喔,這個是競爭型計畫嗎?對。對吼,所以他有申請的期限嗎?他要用誰做主體來申請?\n372816\t387640\t直轄市政府所以必須是要報到市政府市政府還要先把你報上去所以你有沒有入列是市政府決定這個順序嗎市政府會先排一個順序然後才來送你們決定你們按照市政府編排的順序來做勾選來核給經費嗎\n390717\t404166\t也不是我們他報上來我們還是要下去看啦當然你要下去看嘛但是這個順序市政府是不是有權利決定一二三四我的意思是說如果到時候沒有過到底是市政府的問題還是是你的問題\n406726\t430084\t第一他報上來我們還要下去看啦然後那個優先數據也是會跟地方政府來談所以地方政府是很關鍵的一環就對了啦那我是希望說今天藉著這樣我今天問得這麼細是因為我知道很多族人朋友已經都會看我們的國會頻道我們在問政的過程當中這是一個他們非常關心的問題我很希望今天看到這一則質詢的朋友們可以了解\n432506\t436948\t原住民會有開了這樣的計畫我們有心要解決大家的問題但申請的計畫還有步驟還有全責是地方和中央要能夠一起合作的這個是大家原住民會要一起來解決大家的困擾包括土地利用的問題但是錢的部分我希望能夠從寬編列\n453235\t475936\t讓大家能夠有一個好的聚會所不然你講文化傳承等等如果沒有場域說實在的其實都很難啊一年沒有跳舞兩年沒有跳舞到時候連腳步都怎麼都已經忘記了同意啦同意好那主委我也在跟您說啦我們昨天在同樣這個會議場上我們在審新住民權益的保障至於要用專法還是要用基本法都還在\n477758\t497657\t討論當中。」但是我們可以看得出來其實新住民他在不同的部會裡面有不同的服務單位有常態型和申請型其實非常非常的對主委你有看到這一頁嗎你前面的螢幕應該也是有你覺得原住民也有新住民的新住民的是這樣原住民的我們也有嗎每一項都有嗎\n501618\t519555\t我們在內政部有新住民家庭服務中心是常態型服務對象新住民教育部有家庭教育中心常態型服務對象是全民還有教育部仍然還有申請型的新住民學習中心給新住民原住民有沒有比較少\n520697\t546464\t不能比較少啊對不對因為我們的建構更完全嘛好我給你看下一頁啦下一頁我幫你整理出來其實我們每一項都有可是我要跟主委再次提醒的其實我們還有更多的計畫就如同剛剛說的其實很多的縣市政府都沒有知道要來申請比如說我們看到衛福部有原住民及離島地區部落的社區健康營造計畫這個齁\n549133\t574050\t其實不是只有原鄉可以申請是都會區的原住民部落也可以來申請結果你看看哪幾個縣市有來申請老實講一看哇其實只有高雄市最積極啊高雄市去採訪了去調查了他所有的原民鄉之外連小港區的都市原住民他都來申請這個計畫了那我就想知道為什麼新北沒有\n575393\t592330\t為什麼桃園沒有?為什麼台中沒有?是他們的政府比較不積極嗎?還是他們不夠了解?我覺得這個原民會應該要可以幫忙去了解一下。凡是有資源的,我們都應該要可以爭取,不能讓我們的族人朋友搞不清楚狀況啊,到底是中央的還是是地方的嘛。」\n592870\t614503\t主委希望這邊可以盤整各部會其他對原民有相關的補助計畫等等能夠提供到我的辦公室我們一起來為族人朋友的權益做爭取這樣可以吧?可以好 謝謝主委好 謝謝巧惠委員請問一下主委你再回應一下那個風雨球場或者是那個是原民會\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 我們請曾主委也請曾主委主委好主委剛剛聽到您的報告不管是對人民會的這個業務報告或者是對都市原住民地區的權益我想都有著墨那我想我現在我服務的地方是新北市所以我當然\n關心的題目就是都市原住民的權益為優先所以我今天想跟你談談的是在我選區常常發生的一個問題就是我們在都市的原住民聚會所到底要怎麼樣才可以得到政府的幫助讓我們有機會可以建置起來因為我們在都會地區我們還是希望有我們族人朋友可以活動就像在自己故鄉一樣的狀況那這個最需要什麼\n需要的是寬闊的地方嘛對不對因為說實在的我們的活動常常都是平面式的不管是舞蹈啦祭祀啊等等你如果是這樣我們在高樓大廈內或者室內空間其實看起來都不像也沒有辦法完整我這個認知主委應該合理啦齁合理\n好那我現在呢其實這問題問了很多年我現在是很高興看到您在今天你的報告裡面吼這一份都會區原住民族的權益保障措施精進方案裡面你有寫到你們在今年開始會\n建制原住民族的主流化友善空間計畫打造都市地區的原住民族文化傳統場域這個和我需要的原住民、都市原住民地區的這個聚會所會有相關嗎?我可以因為這個計畫得到幫助嗎?\n跟委員報告我們在都會區特別是我們的族人要借場地或者是使用場地辦各項的活動很需要有一個屬於自己的一個空間那我們這個我們有一個這樣的一個計劃就是都會區我看是今年開始的從113年到116年我們\n可以有這樣的一個計畫來協助這個計畫全部是10億4年10億的計畫10億的計畫那可以就可以提報這樣都市比較多原住民的而且是比較需要這樣產業的我們願意來協助好那我就想問了我覺得我很高興看到有這個計畫這個方向但是那我就想知道4年10億的計畫那你們是如何選定這個地點\n是我們自己只要我們喜歡我們常用我們高興的就可以嗎還是你有什麼樣的條件或限制那這個條件和限制對我們會有幫助嗎我今天就想聽你細部一點講第一個\n他必須是人口希望能夠達到一千五百人以上一千五百人以上我這裡到處都是還有希望那個場域的土地如果是沒有問題那是最好因為有問題的話我們又會延宕希望是那個土地沒有問題的話我們來協助會比較快\n主委,什麼叫做沒有問題?沒有問題的話我還需要找政府嗎?對不對?說實在的這個地方其實就是需要原民會下去協助啦說實在的因為我跟主委說一下我今天看到這個計畫真是一則以喜一則以憂喜的是我們政府看到了族人的需求了\n所以有要投入費用來預算來幫忙協助大家做這個聚會所可是優的是什麼呢我跟主委說如果你這個之後有機會來到我們新北這邊我至少就可以邀請你去兩個地方一個是我們英哥的南進部落他在領水河邊河岸地我們每年都在那邊舉辦聚會啊可是那個地方就是河灘地啊河灘地可以用來蓋一個島路岸可以蓋一個聚會所嗎我想有困難\n另外一個地方是我英哥的中湖和永昌的交界中山橋下中山橋下那個地方也很不錯我們平常可以在這邊射箭還有跳舞聚會等等其實都是一個很適合的地方坦白講那個地方還是什麼我們平常區公所清潔隊也有在那邊做一個使用\n所以在這樣的狀況下那這個地方主委我剛剛講的兩個地方你覺得土地有沒有問題我跟委員報告你委員剛剛講的應該是中那個什麼那個橋那邊那個對比較沒有問題因為它是公有地那裡也比較應該是\n我這樣看啦是因為我沒有去看過現場但是我覺得那邊會比較沒有問題所以只要土地是可以的或者只要是公家的你們都可以協助把它轉成是原住民朋友可以來做聚會所的地方是這樣嗎主委你在這裡是等於是承諾\n原民會不只是給錢而且至少好啦我不敢說因為你是中央層級嘛這一定要經過地方政府啦說實在的這一定有跟地方政府合作的部分但是至少原民會你現在是不是可以在備詢台這裡公開的承諾原民會會協助輔導我們族人朋友來就這個計畫爭取到我們最最需要的聚會所這個會跟委員報告那我要找哪個單位\n我們公建處,我們原民會的公共建設公建處那請你帶著計畫到我的辦公室來我們就各案今天在這裡跟你講通則嘛那我現在已經跟你講了兩個具體的個案了我新北還有更多的地方其實都有這樣的需要你可不可以盤點新北所有目前有需要的有申請過的有列案入案過的地方的都來跟我們辦公室做一個說明看看我們現在進程可以到哪裡可以嗎?公建處這裡主委可以嗎?現在就有資料我們等一下可以提供\n會後就提供嘛吼,然後我們一個一個個案來談,到底哪幾個可以。好,主委,那我再問你喔,這個是競爭型計畫嗎?對。對吼,所以他有申請的期限嗎?他要用誰做主體來申請?\n直轄市政府所以必須是要報到市政府市政府還要先把你報上去所以你有沒有入列是市政府決定這個順序嗎市政府會先排一個順序然後才來送你們決定你們按照市政府編排的順序來做勾選來核給經費嗎\n也不是我們他報上來我們還是要下去看啦當然你要下去看嘛但是這個順序市政府是不是有權利決定一二三四我的意思是說如果到時候沒有過到底是市政府的問題還是是你的問題\n第一他報上來我們還要下去看啦然後那個優先數據也是會跟地方政府來談所以地方政府是很關鍵的一環就對了啦那我是希望說今天藉著這樣我今天問得這麼細是因為我知道很多族人朋友已經都會看我們的國會頻道我們在問政的過程當中這是一個他們非常關心的問題我很希望今天看到這一則質詢的朋友們可以了解\n原住民會有開了這樣的計畫我們有心要解決大家的問題但申請的計畫還有步驟還有全責是地方和中央要能夠一起合作的這個是大家原住民會要一起來解決大家的困擾包括土地利用的問題但是錢的部分我希望能夠從寬編列\n讓大家能夠有一個好的聚會所不然你講文化傳承等等如果沒有場域說實在的其實都很難啊一年沒有跳舞兩年沒有跳舞到時候連腳步都怎麼都已經忘記了同意啦同意好那主委我也在跟您說啦我們昨天在同樣這個會議場上我們在審新住民權益的保障至於要用專法還是要用基本法都還在\n討論當中。」但是我們可以看得出來其實新住民他在不同的部會裡面有不同的服務單位有常態型和申請型其實非常非常的對主委你有看到這一頁嗎你前面的螢幕應該也是有你覺得原住民也有新住民的新住民的是這樣原住民的我們也有嗎每一項都有嗎\n我們在內政部有新住民家庭服務中心是常態型服務對象新住民教育部有家庭教育中心常態型服務對象是全民還有教育部仍然還有申請型的新住民學習中心給新住民原住民有沒有比較少\n不能比較少啊對不對因為我們的建構更完全嘛好我給你看下一頁啦下一頁我幫你整理出來其實我們每一項都有可是我要跟主委再次提醒的其實我們還有更多的計畫就如同剛剛說的其實很多的縣市政府都沒有知道要來申請比如說我們看到衛福部有原住民及離島地區部落的社區健康營造計畫這個齁\n其實不是只有原鄉可以申請是都會區的原住民部落也可以來申請結果你看看哪幾個縣市有來申請老實講一看哇其實只有高雄市最積極啊高雄市去採訪了去調查了他所有的原民鄉之外連小港區的都市原住民他都來申請這個計畫了那我就想知道為什麼新北沒有\n為什麼桃園沒有?為什麼台中沒有?是他們的政府比較不積極嗎?還是他們不夠了解?我覺得這個原民會應該要可以幫忙去了解一下。凡是有資源的,我們都應該要可以爭取,不能讓我們的族人朋友搞不清楚狀況啊,到底是中央的還是是地方的嘛。」\n主委希望這邊可以盤整各部會其他對原民有相關的補助計畫等等能夠提供到我的辦公室我們一起來為族人朋友的權益做爭取這樣可以吧?可以好 謝謝主委好 謝謝巧惠委員請問一下主委你再回應一下那個風雨球場或者是那個是原民會\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.916 --> 00:07.896\n好謝謝主席我們請曾主委也請曾主委主委好主委剛剛聽到您的報告不管是對人民會的這個業務報告或者是對都市原住民地區的權益我想都有著墨那我想我現在我服務的地方是新北市所以我當然\n\n00:31.641 --> 00:36.282\n關心的題目就是都市原住民的權益為優先所以我今天想跟你談談的是在我選區常常發生的一個問題就是我們在都市的原住民聚會所到底要怎麼樣才可以得到政府的幫助讓我們有機會可以建置起來因為我們在都會地區我們還是希望有我們族人朋友可以活動就像在自己故鄉一樣的狀況那這個最需要什麼\n\n00:58.948 --> 01:09.713\n需要的是寬闊的地方嘛對不對因為說實在的我們的活動常常都是平面式的不管是舞蹈啦祭祀啊等等你如果是這樣我們在高樓大廈內或者室內空間其實看起來都不像也沒有辦法完整我這個認知主委應該合理啦齁合理\n\n01:19.158 --> 01:34.451\n好那我現在呢其實這問題問了很多年我現在是很高興看到您在今天你的報告裡面吼這一份都會區原住民族的權益保障措施精進方案裡面你有寫到你們在今年開始會\n\n01:36.232 --> 01:50.233\n建制原住民族的主流化友善空間計畫打造都市地區的原住民族文化傳統場域這個和我需要的原住民、都市原住民地區的這個聚會所會有相關嗎?我可以因為這個計畫得到幫助嗎?\n\n01:53.056 --> 02:13.543\n跟委員報告我們在都會區特別是我們的族人要借場地或者是使用場地辦各項的活動很需要有一個屬於自己的一個空間那我們這個我們有一個這樣的一個計劃就是都會區我看是今年開始的從113年到116年我們\n\n02:17.935 --> 02:38.095\n可以有這樣的一個計畫來協助這個計畫全部是10億4年10億的計畫10億的計畫那可以就可以提報這樣都市比較多原住民的而且是比較需要這樣產業的我們願意來協助好那我就想問了我覺得我很高興看到有這個計畫這個方向但是那我就想知道4年10億的計畫那你們是如何選定這個地點\n\n02:41.918 --> 02:52.636\n是我們自己只要我們喜歡我們常用我們高興的就可以嗎還是你有什麼樣的條件或限制那這個條件和限制對我們會有幫助嗎我今天就想聽你細部一點講第一個\n\n02:55.100 --> 03:11.155\n他必須是人口希望能夠達到一千五百人以上一千五百人以上我這裡到處都是還有希望那個場域的土地如果是沒有問題那是最好因為有問題的話我們又會延宕希望是那個土地沒有問題的話我們來協助會比較快\n\n03:13.598 --> 03:17.939\n主委,什麼叫做沒有問題?沒有問題的話我還需要找政府嗎?對不對?說實在的這個地方其實就是需要原民會下去協助啦說實在的因為我跟主委說一下我今天看到這個計畫真是一則以喜一則以憂喜的是我們政府看到了族人的需求了\n\n03:35.123 --> 03:56.658\n所以有要投入費用來預算來幫忙協助大家做這個聚會所可是優的是什麼呢我跟主委說如果你這個之後有機會來到我們新北這邊我至少就可以邀請你去兩個地方一個是我們英哥的南進部落他在領水河邊河岸地我們每年都在那邊舉辦聚會啊可是那個地方就是河灘地啊河灘地可以用來蓋一個島路岸可以蓋一個聚會所嗎我想有困難\n\n04:04.884 --> 04:25.360\n另外一個地方是我英哥的中湖和永昌的交界中山橋下中山橋下那個地方也很不錯我們平常可以在這邊射箭還有跳舞聚會等等其實都是一個很適合的地方坦白講那個地方還是什麼我們平常區公所清潔隊也有在那邊做一個使用\n\n04:26.221 --> 04:40.961\n所以在這樣的狀況下那這個地方主委我剛剛講的兩個地方你覺得土地有沒有問題我跟委員報告你委員剛剛講的應該是中那個什麼那個橋那邊那個對比較沒有問題因為它是公有地那裡也比較應該是\n\n04:42.683 --> 04:47.367\n我這樣看啦是因為我沒有去看過現場但是我覺得那邊會比較沒有問題所以只要土地是可以的或者只要是公家的你們都可以協助把它轉成是原住民朋友可以來做聚會所的地方是這樣嗎主委你在這裡是等於是承諾\n\n05:00.796 --> 05:14.348\n原民會不只是給錢而且至少好啦我不敢說因為你是中央層級嘛這一定要經過地方政府啦說實在的這一定有跟地方政府合作的部分但是至少原民會你現在是不是可以在備詢台這裡公開的承諾原民會會協助輔導我們族人朋友來就這個計畫爭取到我們最最需要的聚會所這個會跟委員報告那我要找哪個單位\n\n05:27.884 --> 05:55.662\n我們公建處,我們原民會的公共建設公建處那請你帶著計畫到我的辦公室來我們就各案今天在這裡跟你講通則嘛那我現在已經跟你講了兩個具體的個案了我新北還有更多的地方其實都有這樣的需要你可不可以盤點新北所有目前有需要的有申請過的有列案入案過的地方的都來跟我們辦公室做一個說明看看我們現在進程可以到哪裡可以嗎?公建處這裡主委可以嗎?現在就有資料我們等一下可以提供\n\n05:57.743 --> 06:04.226\n會後就提供嘛吼,然後我們一個一個個案來談,到底哪幾個可以。好,主委,那我再問你喔,這個是競爭型計畫嗎?對。對吼,所以他有申請的期限嗎?他要用誰做主體來申請?\n\n06:12.816 --> 06:27.640\n直轄市政府所以必須是要報到市政府市政府還要先把你報上去所以你有沒有入列是市政府決定這個順序嗎市政府會先排一個順序然後才來送你們決定你們按照市政府編排的順序來做勾選來核給經費嗎\n\n06:30.717 --> 06:44.166\n也不是我們他報上來我們還是要下去看啦當然你要下去看嘛但是這個順序市政府是不是有權利決定一二三四我的意思是說如果到時候沒有過到底是市政府的問題還是是你的問題\n\n06:46.726 --> 07:10.084\n第一他報上來我們還要下去看啦然後那個優先數據也是會跟地方政府來談所以地方政府是很關鍵的一環就對了啦那我是希望說今天藉著這樣我今天問得這麼細是因為我知道很多族人朋友已經都會看我們的國會頻道我們在問政的過程當中這是一個他們非常關心的問題我很希望今天看到這一則質詢的朋友們可以了解\n\n07:12.506 --> 07:16.948\n原住民會有開了這樣的計畫我們有心要解決大家的問題但申請的計畫還有步驟還有全責是地方和中央要能夠一起合作的這個是大家原住民會要一起來解決大家的困擾包括土地利用的問題但是錢的部分我希望能夠從寬編列\n\n07:33.235 --> 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