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簽訂支持臺灣的鮮乳的立場能夠把長效乳就直接標長效乳不要標長效鮮乳那另外呢連續下雨那雲林縣受影響很大部長知道說濕度高的這個稻米今年的這個價格很差不只雲林縣甚至嘉義縣市都是一樣你知道現在每公斤多少錢嗎\n314554\t317235\t應該每百台間大概950、930左右。沒錯。那相比去年呢,這是大大的降了。大大的降了超過10%以上。那雲林縣大概有200公頃以上的稻田都是倒了。\n331900\t340968\t那為打天然災害救助辦法很多農民擔心說這個會越來越嚴重因為倒了就沒有人願意割甚至清割這個價格非常的差那農民真的很兩難對於農民這樣的無奈請問部長可以怎麼幫助他們呢?\n348695\t375742\t​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​\n375742\t398404\t️ ️\n398404\t426374\t​​​​​​​​​​​​\n426374\t442261\t️ ️\n442481\t458967\t還是可以收割但價格不好啊所以這就不符合保險嘛所以本席建議啊就是說整體未達天然災害這個標準農業部的部分是不是可以提出說這個第一期稻米\n459787\t485776\t​​​​​​​​​​\n485776\t511493\t​​​​​​​​​​​​\n512625\t515908\t因為農民自災保險沒有審查辦法,他沒有把這個心血管疾病納在這個辦法裡面。那部長知道一般的勞工如果遇到這個情況會怎麼處理呢?針對勞工部分,治安署有\n530981\t555541\t»:對於勞工職業觸發心血管疾病的參考指引但是我們農業部沒有所以呢本席希望說農業部是不是現在都已經從農委會升級成農業部了是不是應該仿效勞工的保障制定一個類似的參考指引來針對農民的保障喔對於這個部分喔部長是否認同我想委員可能\n556802\t573096\t那個有一點有一點誤解齁其實我們的認定齁只要他去看醫生醫生專業認定我們就同意他都死在田裡了他後續他在醫院的時候只要醫院認定就可以沒有問題是現在醫生沒辦法認定就是醫生沒辦法認定所以你需要一個指引讓醫生去認定沒有現在醫生本身他沒辦法認定因為呢\n582585\t604138\t​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​\n604540\t629342\t我們現在已經有請所有的相關的職業專業醫師在做相關的指引那你沒有給他指引啊你願不願意給他們指引我願意而且我們現在已經有在做那我是說現在的情況他比職業還寬鬆只要專業醫師認定就可以就是希望你可以盡速有一個指引那如果部長有相關的資料請送本委員會謝謝好謝謝\n","txt":"主席,我想請部長。我們再請陳部長。陳部長,早安。\n請問部長有關外國進口的長效乳不應該稱之為鮮乳本期在4月11號就曾經要求農業部應向食藥署說明這些保存期限兩個月甚至三個月的進口牛乳不應該叫做鮮乳那個時候部長也同意要發文您記得嗎?\n是。是。那這個結果呢,食藥署在這個月5號的時候發出了預告。我覺得他們是羨慕於不易啊。他說他們依照農業部的建議,要幫這些進口乳品標示為長效鮮乳。\n​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​\n​​​​​​​​\nunintendation to the committee or the relevant expert meeting.\n那非常重要就是說他現在是法案的一個預告期那這個預告期的部分任何人都可以提供意見那農業部也會再次的提供我們的意見因為我們的意見我們也跟我們的弱農都有討論過所以農業部會持續的去跟衛生部溝通希望能夠用長效乳這樣的一個名稱因為它是一個市場區隔的一個非常重要的一個手段\n是,部長我覺得您說這番話呢我非常的贊同因為呢很多酪農喔這些生技喔都非常的擔憂你知道嗎上一頁我要上一頁上一頁你我不能理解的是為什麼你要讓他有兩個選擇呢你是在把他做這個智力測驗嗎為什麼要給他有選擇說可以用到鮮乳呢\n我想我們在提供這樣的一個名稱的時候我們有召開了專家會議包括洛農那當初討論的兩個方案那我們是終於整個的當初討論的這些方案裡面我們提供他做參考\n但是重要的是我們的建議是什麼,我們有寫下來了。那我可不可以拜託這個部長,請部長是不是盡速地再發文給衛福部,請他就明確地寫說不要用鮮乳這個字眼,直接寫長效乳,因為你長效鮮乳誤導消費者的空間還是非常的大。\n我跟委員說明齁就是我們新政府本身在部會之間就有一個非常好的溝通的管道那公文絕對不是只有公文來公文去所以我們也持續已經持續的在跟衛福部在做一個有效的溝通那我們希望說因為現在的法規﹖所以部長有信心衛福部會把先辱這個先字拿掉嗎?我們\n️ ️\nbicy 本席在這裡呼籲啊因為保護農民保護落農是你的天職所以請部長一定要落實這件事情一定要強烈的去呼籲因為假設我是落農我光看這個文我心裡想說哎呀其實農業部好像也沒有很支持我們嘛他還給他選擇給他A案跟B案假案跟疑案選擇然後後面才只有\n​​​​​​​​​​​​​​\n但是呢本席跟所有的弱農我們都希望看到農業部更堅定的立場\n️ 簽訂支持臺灣的鮮乳的立場能夠把長效乳就直接標長效乳不要標長效鮮乳那另外呢連續下雨那雲林縣受影響很大部長知道說濕度高的這個稻米今年的這個價格很差不只雲林縣甚至嘉義縣市都是一樣你知道現在每公斤多少錢嗎\n應該每百台間大概950、930左右。沒錯。那相比去年呢,這是大大的降了。大大的降了超過10%以上。那雲林縣大概有200公頃以上的稻田都是倒了。\n那為打天然災害救助辦法很多農民擔心說這個會越來越嚴重因為倒了就沒有人願意割甚至清割這個價格非常的差那農民真的很兩難對於農民這樣的無奈請問部長可以怎麼幫助他們呢?\n​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​\n️ ️\n​​​​​​​​​​​​\n️ ️\n還是可以收割但價格不好啊所以這就不符合保險嘛所以本席建議啊就是說整體未達天然災害這個標準農業部的部分是不是可以提出說這個第一期稻米\n​​​​​​​​​​\n​​​​​​​​​​​​\n因為農民自災保險沒有審查辦法,他沒有把這個心血管疾病納在這個辦法裡面。那部長知道一般的勞工如果遇到這個情況會怎麼處理呢?針對勞工部分,治安署有\n»:對於勞工職業觸發心血管疾病的參考指引但是我們農業部沒有所以呢本席希望說農業部是不是現在都已經從農委會升級成農業部了是不是應該仿效勞工的保障制定一個類似的參考指引來針對農民的保障喔對於這個部分喔部長是否認同我想委員可能\n那個有一點有一點誤解齁其實我們的認定齁只要他去看醫生醫生專業認定我們就同意他都死在田裡了他後續他在醫院的時候只要醫院認定就可以沒有問題是現在醫生沒辦法認定就是醫生沒辦法認定所以你需要一個指引讓醫生去認定沒有現在醫生本身他沒辦法認定因為呢\n​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​\n我們現在已經有請所有的相關的職業專業醫師在做相關的指引那你沒有給他指引啊你願不願意給他們指引我願意而且我們現在已經有在做那我是說現在的情況他比職業還寬鬆只要專業醫師認定就可以就是希望你可以盡速有一個指引那如果部長有相關的資料請送本委員會謝謝好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.029 --> 00:01.471\n主席,我想請部長。我們再請陳部長。陳部長,早安。\n\n00:16.269 --> 00:38.940\n請問部長有關外國進口的長效乳不應該稱之為鮮乳本期在4月11號就曾經要求農業部應向食藥署說明這些保存期限兩個月甚至三個月的進口牛乳不應該叫做鮮乳那個時候部長也同意要發文您記得嗎?\n\n00:43.768 --> 00:48.572\n是。是。那這個結果呢,食藥署在這個月5號的時候發出了預告。我覺得他們是羨慕於不易啊。他說他們依照農業部的建議,要幫這些進口乳品標示為長效鮮乳。\n\n01:34.893 --> 01:37.696\nunintendationtothecommitteeortherelevantexpertmeeting.\n\n01:37.696 --> 02:02.177\n那非常重要就是說他現在是法案的一個預告期那這個預告期的部分任何人都可以提供意見那農業部也會再次的提供我們的意見因為我們的意見我們也跟我們的弱農都有討論過所以農業部會持續的去跟衛生部溝通希望能夠用長效乳這樣的一個名稱因為它是一個市場區隔的一個非常重要的一個手段\n\n02:02.517 --> 02:25.652\n是,部長我覺得您說這番話呢我非常的贊同因為呢很多酪農喔這些生技喔都非常的擔憂你知道嗎上一頁我要上一頁上一頁你我不能理解的是為什麼你要讓他有兩個選擇呢你是在把他做這個智力測驗嗎為什麼要給他有選擇說可以用到鮮乳呢\n\n02:26.272 --> 02:41.744\n我想我們在提供這樣的一個名稱的時候我們有召開了專家會議包括洛農那當初討論的兩個方案那我們是終於整個的當初討論的這些方案裡面我們提供他做參考\n\n02:43.005 --> 02:46.288\n但是重要的是我們的建議是什麼,我們有寫下來了。那我可不可以拜託這個部長,請部長是不是盡速地再發文給衛福部,請他就明確地寫說不要用鮮乳這個字眼,直接寫長效乳,因為你長效鮮乳誤導消費者的空間還是非常的大。\n\n03:06.648 --> 03:25.326\n我跟委員說明齁就是我們新政府本身在部會之間就有一個非常好的溝通的管道那公文絕對不是只有公文來公文去所以我們也持續已經持續的在跟衛福部在做一個有效的溝通那我們希望說因為現在的法規﹖所以部長有信心衛福部會把先辱這個先字拿掉嗎?我們\n\n03:45.794 --> 04:12.173\nbicy本席在這裡呼籲啊因為保護農民保護落農是你的天職所以請部長一定要落實這件事情一定要強烈的去呼籲因為假設我是落農我光看這個文我心裡想說哎呀其實農業部好像也沒有很支持我們嘛他還給他選擇給他A案跟B案假案跟疑案選擇然後後面才只有\n\n04:30.336 --> 04:31.437\n但是呢本席跟所有的弱農我們都希望看到農業部更堅定的立場\n\n04:51.653 --> 05:13.813\n️簽訂支持臺灣的鮮乳的立場能夠把長效乳就直接標長效乳不要標長效鮮乳那另外呢連續下雨那雲林縣受影響很大部長知道說濕度高的這個稻米今年的這個價格很差不只雲林縣甚至嘉義縣市都是一樣你知道現在每公斤多少錢嗎\n\n05:14.554 --> 05:17.235\n應該每百台間大概950、930左右。沒錯。那相比去年呢,這是大大的降了。大大的降了超過10%以上。那雲林縣大概有200公頃以上的稻田都是倒了。\n\n05:31.900 --> 05:40.968\n那為打天然災害救助辦法很多農民擔心說這個會越來越嚴重因為倒了就沒有人願意割甚至清割這個價格非常的差那農民真的很兩難對於農民這樣的無奈請問部長可以怎麼幫助他們呢?\n\n07:22.481 --> 07:38.967\n還是可以收割但價格不好啊所以這就不符合保險嘛所以本席建議啊就是說整體未達天然災害這個標準農業部的部分是不是可以提出說這個第一期稻米\n\n08:32.625 --> 08:35.908\n因為農民自災保險沒有審查辦法,他沒有把這個心血管疾病納在這個辦法裡面。那部長知道一般的勞工如果遇到這個情況會怎麼處理呢?針對勞工部分,治安署有\n\n08:50.981 --> 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