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00:01:31,396\n二、審查本院委員翁曉玲等18人擬具«國軍退除役官兵專業職能及媒合之具體作法》．並備質詢。二、審查本院委員翁曉玲等18人擬具\n\n4\n00:01:55,505 --> 00:01:56,065\n二、審查本院委員\n\n5\n00:02:16,784 --> 00:02:39,383\n那大家可以看到這個我們現在先看到的是北榮他的副社的榮光幼兒園以北榮為例的話目前榮光幼兒園目前看起來只有2到6歲的這個幼童71名那主委你有沒有看到0到\n\n6\n00:02:41,567 --> 00:02:59,115\n二歲的部分呢?你覺得?零到二歲目前北龍市沒有設置那我想請問目前整個退輔會的榮總體系有多少家有托嬰中心?就是零到二歲的托嬰中心或者職場保姆?零到二歲目前是台中榮總他有設置\n\n7\n00:02:59,815 --> 00:03:01,376\n三家的榮總我們的了解因為他們沒有適當的場地\n\n8\n00:03:24,767 --> 00:03:25,248\n二、審查本院委員\n\n9\n00:03:44,244 --> 00:04:10,597\n所以我們現在看到其實按照衛福部社家署的推估其實社托運中心大概每年營運成本大概780萬初始開辦費大概500萬職場保姆大概100萬左右其實這些相關的費用其實都可以來跟衛福部的員工子女托育服務實施計劃來申請補助其實在經費上面其實都是可以cover的那問題只是要不要有照顧\n\n10\n00:04:11,357 --> 00:04:15,298\n二、審查本院委員翁曉玲等18人擬具«國軍退除役官兵專業職能及媒合之具體作法》案。\n\n11\n00:04:35,302 --> 00:04:57,150\n所以至少這些大型榮譽是不是應該優先來做包括剛才托嬰中心或者是職場保姆的這個相關的計畫?三個月的時間我可以接受好不好?好那接下來我是想要跟主委討論剛剛說國軍退除役官兵輔導條例增訂二十七條之二主委你的看法怎樣?\n\n12\n00:04:59,906 --> 00:05:22,122\n這個案子我想從107年停掉之後我們一直都有在爭取那主要基於我們退伍會主要職責照顧我們榮民榮券還有退除役的官兵他們的服務照顧尤其是上校街他們在部隊非常的辛苦而且退伍下去大概都50出頭\n\n13\n00:05:23,163 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