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00:00:44,367\n感謝次長很高興可以今天在這邊跟您有這樣子非常希望是會有影響力的對話那我想這個最近黃仁勳訪台聯一還持續那這個正在尋找輝達正在尋找地點來蓋新的或者是額外的總部\n\n3\n00:00:45,568 --> 00:01:00,958\n昨天經濟部的郭部長我是一直非常支持他在人員政策有機會創新他在備詢的時候說他要求揮打自帶50%的人才來台避免大量聘僱AI專才的工程師造成本地人才排擠的效應\n\n4\n00:01:02,139 --> 00:01:24,005\n我當然也覺得有一點創意因為有可能帶進來的人才可以做本地人才的培育但是在過去像鴻海在威斯康辛州設廠人家州政府的要求卻是要做localhire,globalpay所以我想請教一下次長教育部做人才培育的主責部會你怎麼看待經濟部長這樣的一個說法跟做法\n\n5\n00:01:25,736 --> 00:01:40,519\n跟委員報告,因為我自己從新創這個來的,那我們自己看到說其實這個大公司來台灣,其實對新創的產業來,新創公司來其實又愛又怕,但來他有機會帶進來一些新的know-how\n\n6\n00:01:40,819 --> 00:01:41,519\n所以您是支持郭部長這樣一半一半?\n\n7\n00:02:10,086 --> 00:02:30,154\n我覺得我支持郭部長這一半一半的這樣的概念好很好那我們剛剛是這個其中一個例子而已那這樣到底對不對我們還是持續討論但是我們還有其他的企業也在加碼希望能夠來做本地的人才不管是排擠擴大還是培育我覺得有事情發生都是好事\n\n8\n00:02:30,874 --> 00:02:34,657\n我們來看一下當然排擠不是好事這個教育部要關注一下那我們來看這個投影片在這一頁裡面就可以看到台積電也要投入不超過40億最多40億去做半導體研究教學的人才培育\n\n9\n00:02:46,084 --> 00:02:46,664\n我們的政策需要來調整嗎?\n\n10\n00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:35,677\n我想就是說這個不可諱言啦半導體其實目前這個產業在台灣扮演相當重要的角色這是為什麼很多委員會關心說讀STEM的人有沒有增加或減少所以我們也看到就是說像台積電這個願意做這樣的事情我們其實是樂見但我覺得從教育部的立場是我們也必須要關注到說這個必須要平衡因為\n\n11\n00:03:36,297 --> 00:03:37,498\n黃宏勳在台大的演講點名了17所大學\n\n12\n00:04:03,752 --> 00:04:20,471\n但我們查了一下全台大專業院校150所左右跟人工智慧有關的系所或學程超過40所那想請教一下次長對這個有沒有看法就是他們跳下來自救也好啦幫助台灣也好啦但我們政府不能就在這邊拍拍手什麼都不做嘛\n\n13\n00:04:21,051 --> 00:04:26,274\n我們到底是應該要強化井上天花還是說我們應該要米平落差還是說兩手一攤這個問題我們在總質詢也提過想請教一下您的看法是什麼我們到底是要加碼加碼在一樣的地方還是我要米平落差還是我們就坐地觀望\n\n14\n00:04:38,134 --> 00:05:07,820\n我想就是在重點的方向上面來講比如說因為我想總統的政見也特別提到人工智慧是台灣未來一個很重要的方向那但也必須坦白講說在目前來講我們在這一塊的faculty的數量其實是可能就是相對於在國外的業界的競爭這是我們一個挑戰所以我想政府我們必須要提供教育部這邊要提供更多的誘因包括師資的這個增加還要鼓勵這個大家這個學程的這個這樣子的學程有更多這樣的學程\n\n15\n00:05:08,100 --> 00:05:21,883\n我很贊成次長這樣的說法其實人才的培育、施肢也很重要那也希望可以持續在這一塊做一點準備我們未來還有更多的交流為什麼?其實這已經不只是台灣的問題國際都在關注了我這已經是大概第N次講了《紐約時報》3月指出中國大陸的AI的人才已經超過五成了我們現在一定要提早做準備\n\n16\n00:05:33,588 --> 00:05:49,265\n我們的AI人才從哪裡來的問題加上我們這個高階的人才很可能還有不足的問題我們看到這個相關的業界的調查提到博士誘因低科研人才所得低退休所得低有很多的3D現象\n\n17\n00:05:50,706 --> 00:06:15,576\n這些現象其實在日本有一些新的做法來做就是日本是2023年的8月份就說要向頂尖AI人才每年發放2000萬日幣我相信這個可能也包含人才也包含師資也包含產業那我想這種激勵的政策可能非常的重要那到底我們要怎麼做呢這個次長能不能發表一點點看法簡短的\n\n18\n00:06:16,242 --> 00:06:16,362\n我想\n\n19\n00:06:45,083 --> 00:06:45,584\n跟委員報告我們現在那個\n\n20\n00:07:08,584 --> 00:07:11,885\n希望可以補足謝謝您的補充我想這還只是一個開始其實整個環境都在變化\n\n21\n00:07:28,251 --> 00:07:44,501\n包括我們研究生很優秀了可是他要有好的設備跟環境可以來運用這些算力嘛那我們的理解其實是這樣啦其實曾經有這個鼎大就開始在講說我們自己做了很多超級電腦笑笑買算力笑笑會不會算力都不足啊\n\n22\n00:07:45,261 --> 00:08:03,613\n蘇發部有一個教育部有一個國科有一個經濟部會不會又搞一個我們還有這個國家高速網路中心也搞一個我們各大學院校又搞一個那裡面的這個所謂的調動算力的這個界面又有點不一樣這個我們能不能做一個統合先是不是您回應一下有沒有一個統合的計畫\n\n23\n00:08:04,193 --> 00:08:06,335\n我聽說是各校又會編列他的計畫又再買一些GPU可能這個校又買了幾顆H100那個校又買了幾顆V100\n\n24\n00:08:25,735 --> 00:08:42,982\n這是不是可以稍微調查一下希望讓大家可以集中起來但是當然有需要的話各自買一些也可以但是我覺得教育部應該要有一個統籌的觀點同時這還只是一部分我們剛剛講interface也很重要其實我有聽過鼎大有計算機中心或算力池\n\n25\n00:08:43,482 --> 00:08:45,723\n教育部有沒有考慮乾脆直接補助大專業院校去購買或者合作這些國際大廠?國際大廠都要來成立算力中心了嘛\n\n26\n00:09:06,312 --> 00:09:17,137\n有沒有機會能夠考慮不要用太多的時間和金錢土法煉鋼到時候各校的界面又長得不一樣每一個中心的界面又長得不一樣讓人可以專注在研究本身\n\n27\n00:09:18,985 --> 00:09:37,760\n其實我覺得剛剛委員講的這個觀念是非常好,就是這件事情這些台灣的率領應該盡量的能夠有機會能夠統籌,一起來管理還有界面,還不是只是顯卡的問題那這個部分也因為這樣,所以因為目前是國防中心在做這樣的事情我覺得從教育部的角度我們樂見這樣的事情,但是我們不宜這個另外在\n\n28\n00:09:38,621 --> 00:09:40,022\n昨天有跟部長稍微簡要的討論\n\n29\n00:09:56,536 --> 00:10:20,251\n本土語言教材其實是我們未來面對到大AI時代的一個非常重要的一個點也就是我們的文化如何在AI時代可以保存甚至發揚光大我們目前看到的很多AI教材學生學都已經很困難了之前這個昭偉有讓我們練過這個台語課程我回家還練習了兩次那這些內容其實也都是非常多人精心編轉的\n\n30\n00:10:21,352 --> 00:10:37,599\n這些內容有沒有機會交給AI時代的AI同學我覺得這也是一種翻轉教育嘛以前我們當然您是這一塊的專家啦當然教育是我們課程內容可以先準備了學生可以先學習之後呢再來跟老師練習或討論或跟同學討論我們現在的AI在全世界的網路上面學東西可是他們卻沒有拿到我們母語的\n\n31\n00:10:45,603 --> 00:10:48,364\n請問一下次長有沒有了解過現階段本土語言教材開放給AI訓練使用的可能性?食物上的困難有什麼?\n\n32\n00:11:11,097 --> 00:11:33,799\n這個部分其實像在臺大李鴻毅教授其實我在之前在當次長之前我們之前就有這些合作過怎麼透過AI去幫孩子用講臺語然後他給臺灣臺語他給他評分這樣子但這件事情就是要再如果要再整合到現有的系統裡面包括我想現在這個英才網也有在做一些這個這方面把AI的導入我想這也是未來我們可能會努力的方向\n\n33\n00:11:34,019 --> 00:11:37,101\n拜託教育部就開放語料為目標演繹可行的開放機制例如給予教材廠商合理的誘因或者公開透明的一些\n\n34\n00:11:50,632 --> 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有請教育部葉丙成次長備詢\n感謝次長很高興可以今天在這邊跟您有這樣子非常希望是會有影響力的對話那我想這個最近黃仁勳訪台聯一還持續那這個正在尋找輝達正在尋找地點來蓋新的或者是額外的總部\n昨天經濟部的郭部長我是一直非常支持他在人員政策有機會創新他在備詢的時候說他要求揮打自帶50%的人才來台避免大量聘僱AI專才的工程師造成本地人才排擠的效應\n我當然也覺得有一點創意因為有可能帶進來的人才可以做本地人才的培育但是在過去像鴻海在威斯康辛州設廠人家州政府的要求卻是要做local hire, global pay所以我想請教一下次長教育部做人才培育的主責部會你怎麼看待經濟部長這樣的一個說法跟做法\n跟委員報告,因為我自己從新創這個來的,那我們自己看到說其實這個大公司來台灣,其實對新創的產業來,新創公司來其實又愛又怕,但來他有機會帶進來一些新的know-how\n所以您是支持郭部長這樣一半一半?\n我覺得我支持郭部長這一半一半的這樣的概念好很好那我們剛剛是這個其中一個例子而已那這樣到底對不對我們還是持續討論但是我們還有其他的企業也在加碼希望能夠來做本地的人才不管是排擠擴大還是培育我覺得有事情發生都是好事\n我們來看一下當然排擠不是好事這個教育部要關注一下那我們來看這個投影片在這一頁裡面就可以看到台積電也要投入不超過40億最多40億去做半導體研究教學的人才培育\n我們的政策需要來調整嗎?\n我想就是說這個不可諱言啦半導體其實目前這個產業在台灣扮演相當重要的角色這是為什麼很多委員會關心說讀STEM的人有沒有增加或減少所以我們也看到就是說像台積電這個願意做這樣的事情我們其實是樂見但我覺得從教育部的立場是我們也必須要關注到說這個必須要平衡因為\n黃宏勳在台大的演講點名了17所大學\n但我們查了一下全台大專業院校150所左右跟人工智慧有關的系所或學程超過40所那想請教一下次長對這個有沒有看法就是他們跳下來自救也好啦幫助台灣也好啦但我們政府不能就在這邊拍拍手什麼都不做嘛\n我們到底是應該要強化井上天花還是說我們應該要米平落差還是說兩手一攤這個問題我們在總質詢也提過想請教一下您的看法是什麼我們到底是要加碼加碼在一樣的地方還是我要米平落差還是我們就坐地觀望\n我想就是在重點的方向上面來講比如說因為我想總統的政見也特別提到人工智慧是台灣未來一個很重要的方向那但也必須坦白講說在目前來講我們在這一塊的faculty的數量其實是可能就是相對於在國外的業界的競爭這是我們一個挑戰所以我想政府我們必須要提供教育部這邊要提供更多的誘因包括師資的這個增加還要鼓勵這個大家這個學程的這個這樣子的學程有更多這樣的學程\n我很贊成次長這樣的說法其實人才的培育、施肢也很重要那也希望可以持續在這一塊做一點準備我們未來還有更多的交流為什麼?其實這已經不只是台灣的問題國際都在關注了我這已經是大概第N次講了《紐約時報》3月指出中國大陸的AI的人才已經超過五成了我們現在一定要提早做準備\n我們的AI人才從哪裡來的問題加上我們這個高階的人才很可能還有不足的問題我們看到這個相關的業界的調查提到博士誘因低科研人才所得低退休所得低有很多的3D現象\n這些現象其實在日本有一些新的做法來做就是日本是2023年的8月份就說要向頂尖AI人才每年發放2000萬日幣我相信這個可能也包含人才也包含師資也包含產業那我想這種激勵的政策可能非常的重要那到底我們要怎麼做呢這個次長能不能發表一點點看法 簡短的\n我想\n跟委員報告我們現在那個\n希望可以補足謝謝您的補充我想這還只是一個開始其實整個環境都在變化\n包括我們研究生很優秀了可是他要有好的設備跟環境可以來運用這些算力嘛那我們的理解其實是這樣啦其實曾經有這個鼎大就開始在講說我們自己做了很多超級電腦笑笑買算力笑笑會不會算力都不足啊\n蘇發部有一個教育部有一個國科有一個經濟部會不會又搞一個我們還有這個國家高速網路中心也搞一個我們各大學院校又搞一個那裡面的這個所謂的調動算力的這個界面又有點不一樣這個我們能不能做一個統合先是不是您回應一下有沒有一個統合的計畫\n我聽說是各校又會編列他的計畫又再買一些GPU可能這個校又買了幾顆H100那個校又買了幾顆V100\n這是不是可以稍微調查一下希望讓大家可以集中起來但是當然有需要的話各自買一些也可以但是我覺得教育部應該要有一個統籌的觀點同時這還只是一部分我們剛剛講interface也很重要其實我有聽過鼎大有計算機中心或算力池\n教育部有沒有考慮乾脆直接補助大專業院校去購買或者合作這些國際大廠?國際大廠都要來成立算力中心了嘛\n有沒有機會能夠考慮不要用太多的時間和金錢土法煉鋼到時候各校的界面又長得不一樣每一個中心的界面又長得不一樣讓人可以專注在研究本身\n其實我覺得剛剛委員講的這個觀念是非常好,就是這件事情這些台灣的率領應該盡量的能夠有機會能夠統籌,一起來管理還有界面,還不是只是顯卡的問題那這個部分也因為這樣,所以因為目前是國防中心在做這樣的事情我覺得從教育部的角度我們樂見這樣的事情,但是我們不宜這個另外在\n昨天有跟部長稍微簡要的討論\n本土語言教材其實是我們未來面對到大AI時代的一個非常重要的一個點也就是我們的文化如何在AI時代可以保存甚至發揚光大我們目前看到的很多AI教材學生學都已經很困難了之前這個昭偉有讓我們練過這個台語課程我回家還練習了兩次那這些內容其實也都是非常多人精心編轉的\n這些內容有沒有機會交給AI時代的AI同學我覺得這也是一種翻轉教育嘛以前我們當然您是這一塊的專家啦當然教育是我們課程內容可以先準備了學生可以先學習之後呢再來跟老師練習或討論或跟同學討論我們現在的AI在全世界的網路上面學東西可是他們卻沒有拿到我們母語的\n請問一下次長有沒有了解過現階段本土語言教材開放給AI訓練使用的可能性?食物上的困難有什麼?\n這個部分其實像在臺大李鴻毅教授其實我在之前在當次長之前我們之前就有這些合作過怎麼透過AI去幫孩子用講臺語然後他給臺灣臺語他給他評分這樣子但這件事情就是要再如果要再整合到現有的系統裡面包括我想現在這個英才網也有在做一些這個這方面把AI的導入我想這也是未來我們可能會努力的方向\n拜託教育部就開放語料為目標演繹可行的開放機制例如給予教材廠商合理的誘因或者公開透明的一些\n謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:14.194 --> 00:16.735\n謝謝主席有請教育部葉丙成次長備詢\n\n00:24.926 --> 00:44.367\n感謝次長很高興可以今天在這邊跟您有這樣子非常希望是會有影響力的對話那我想這個最近黃仁勳訪台聯一還持續那這個正在尋找輝達正在尋找地點來蓋新的或者是額外的總部\n\n00:45.568 --> 01:00.958\n昨天經濟部的郭部長我是一直非常支持他在人員政策有機會創新他在備詢的時候說他要求揮打自帶50%的人才來台避免大量聘僱AI專才的工程師造成本地人才排擠的效應\n\n01:02.139 --> 01:24.005\n我當然也覺得有一點創意因為有可能帶進來的人才可以做本地人才的培育但是在過去像鴻海在威斯康辛州設廠人家州政府的要求卻是要做localhire,globalpay所以我想請教一下次長教育部做人才培育的主責部會你怎麼看待經濟部長這樣的一個說法跟做法\n\n01:25.736 --> 01:40.519\n跟委員報告,因為我自己從新創這個來的,那我們自己看到說其實這個大公司來台灣,其實對新創的產業來,新創公司來其實又愛又怕,但來他有機會帶進來一些新的know-how\n\n01:40.819 --> 01:41.519\n所以您是支持郭部長這樣一半一半?\n\n02:10.086 --> 02:30.154\n我覺得我支持郭部長這一半一半的這樣的概念好很好那我們剛剛是這個其中一個例子而已那這樣到底對不對我們還是持續討論但是我們還有其他的企業也在加碼希望能夠來做本地的人才不管是排擠擴大還是培育我覺得有事情發生都是好事\n\n02:30.874 --> 02:34.657\n我們來看一下當然排擠不是好事這個教育部要關注一下那我們來看這個投影片在這一頁裡面就可以看到台積電也要投入不超過40億最多40億去做半導體研究教學的人才培育\n\n02:46.084 --> 02:46.664\n我們的政策需要來調整嗎?\n\n03:12.600 --> 03:35.677\n我想就是說這個不可諱言啦半導體其實目前這個產業在台灣扮演相當重要的角色這是為什麼很多委員會關心說讀STEM的人有沒有增加或減少所以我們也看到就是說像台積電這個願意做這樣的事情我們其實是樂見但我覺得從教育部的立場是我們也必須要關注到說這個必須要平衡因為\n\n03:36.297 --> 03:37.498\n黃宏勳在台大的演講點名了17所大學\n\n04:03.752 --> 04:20.471\n但我們查了一下全台大專業院校150所左右跟人工智慧有關的系所或學程超過40所那想請教一下次長對這個有沒有看法就是他們跳下來自救也好啦幫助台灣也好啦但我們政府不能就在這邊拍拍手什麼都不做嘛\n\n04:21.051 --> 04:26.274\n我們到底是應該要強化井上天花還是說我們應該要米平落差還是說兩手一攤這個問題我們在總質詢也提過想請教一下您的看法是什麼我們到底是要加碼加碼在一樣的地方還是我要米平落差還是我們就坐地觀望\n\n04:38.134 --> 05:07.820\n我想就是在重點的方向上面來講比如說因為我想總統的政見也特別提到人工智慧是台灣未來一個很重要的方向那但也必須坦白講說在目前來講我們在這一塊的faculty的數量其實是可能就是相對於在國外的業界的競爭這是我們一個挑戰所以我想政府我們必須要提供教育部這邊要提供更多的誘因包括師資的這個增加還要鼓勵這個大家這個學程的這個這樣子的學程有更多這樣的學程\n\n05:08.100 --> 05:21.883\n我很贊成次長這樣的說法其實人才的培育、施肢也很重要那也希望可以持續在這一塊做一點準備我們未來還有更多的交流為什麼?其實這已經不只是台灣的問題國際都在關注了我這已經是大概第N次講了《紐約時報》3月指出中國大陸的AI的人才已經超過五成了我們現在一定要提早做準備\n\n05:33.588 --> 05:49.265\n我們的AI人才從哪裡來的問題加上我們這個高階的人才很可能還有不足的問題我們看到這個相關的業界的調查提到博士誘因低科研人才所得低退休所得低有很多的3D現象\n\n05:50.706 --> 06:15.576\n這些現象其實在日本有一些新的做法來做就是日本是2023年的8月份就說要向頂尖AI人才每年發放2000萬日幣我相信這個可能也包含人才也包含師資也包含產業那我想這種激勵的政策可能非常的重要那到底我們要怎麼做呢這個次長能不能發表一點點看法簡短的\n\n06:16.242 --> 06:16.362\n我想\n\n06:45.083 --> 06:45.584\n跟委員報告我們現在那個\n\n07:08.584 --> 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