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00:02:41,111\n有增加稅數或減少稅入者要做什麼動作我們要徵詢行政院的意見這也就是為什麼常常在立法院各委員會我們不分藍綠資深的委員我們都會提臨時提案啊或者建請案我為什麼不直接提拔變法律叫你把錢拿出來因為那不行我們提臨提後面都會寫請主管機關去研議嘛\n\n7\n00:02:41,912 --> 00:02:58,857\n也就是必須跟行政院徵詢意見所以綜合預算法綜合財政紀錄法立法委員縱使不是提預算案是提修法的法律案我不可以增加預算支出如果要增加預算支出要跟行政院\n\n8\n00:03:00,137 --> 00:03:01,038\n主委,目前為止\n\n9\n00:03:27,936 --> 00:03:35,464\n就這個案子立法部門不管哪個黨派有跟行政院進行協調徵詢意見嗎?有還是沒有?就你了解\n\n10\n00:03:43,143 --> 00:03:54,911\n行政院主要考量到橫屏性這一塊我們一直跟行政院在做協調未來我想還是按照法定的程序要完成這個\n\n11\n00:04:06,619 --> 00:04:09,441\n二、審查本院委員翁曉玲等18人發言\n\n12\n00:04:36,127 --> 00:05:01,759\n大法官釋字第391號解釋文等同法律本文在這個解釋文就告訴你一件事情立法院不得在預算案之外以委員提案方式增加支出之提議然後呢他裡面還特別想這個意思告訴你說縱使預算案不能提增加之提議預算案之外法律案啦相關案也不可以\n\n13\n00:05:03,083 --> 00:05:11,192\n大法官釋憲我們憲法五院的機關國家有綱長我們可以逾越的嗎法律這麼說憲法這麼說大法官釋憲這麼說那我們該怎麼做\n\n14\n00:05:18,013 --> 00:05:40,739\n綜合剛才講起來就是立法委員不能提預算增加支出是提議但是如果要這種修法律案做預算增加支出要跟行政機關大家來談這就是我們常常在立法院溝通協調的過程如果立法院認為至愛難行那這樣的提案就會有違憲違法之餘法律條文的基礎在這裡那這個\n\n15\n00:05:45,011 --> 00:06:08,674\n我曾經在4月29號提了個臨時提案我也謝謝馬文君、趙偉那時候我們都一起簽署我剛才講我們樂見對退伍的袍澤甚至於他的子女多一些照顧那時候參與連署大家可以看到我們委員會部分黨派都連署另外我上面寫的是這個寫的理由最後是建請退輔會\n\n16\n00:06:10,103 --> 00:06:36,558\n去進行相關的研議我為什麼不把它變法律案變法律案現在這credit變我的這成績變我的因為不可以除非跟行政院溝通好所以看是院提立法委員提案或者是立法院行政院的院版這才是過去幾十年來我們中華民國憲政體制下運作的預算跟立法委員職權行事法以及憲政的根據可是現在我們很遺憾\n\n17\n00:06:37,967 --> 00:06:57,864\n我們要照顧人方法要對用違憲違法的方式還進行政治操作今天每個委員會都在弄這個我我那個嚴主委你當部長國防部長的時候我們合作進行軍改當時軍人年改現役軍人滿意度98%以上甚至還增加\n\n18\n00:06:59,438 --> 00:07:20,025\n當時的過程就是按著這個法律來進行的可是如果把特定族群或特定行業的福祉拿來進行政治操作或者製造撕裂對立受害的將是我們退伍的跑者受害的是我們的納稅人得利的是政客\n\n19\n00:07:21,161 --> 00:07:33,811\n不可以這樣做所以本席建議我們委員會待會討論這個法律案我們可以好好討論甚至保留但是不是回到法定的程序該跟行政部門行政院好好協商我們好好來談\n\n20\n00:07:35,390 --> 00:07:59,652\n或者是因為軍人跟其他的行業確實不一樣我們24小時待命我們又不是做到65歲才能退我們升不上去停留年限到上校42歲41歲他就退了所以他有他的特殊性就他的特殊性跟行政部門好好談而今天我們看到的是連動一大堆肉桶法案全部都用立法權逼行政權把錢拿出來違法違憲\n\n21\n00:08:02,054 --> 00:08:13,395\n這不叫照顧這叫操弄這違法違憲最後得到苦果是相關的族群納稅人要承受所以我很敬重嚴主委我都叫你嚴部長\n\n22\n00:08:14,741 --> 00:08:32,090\n我們樂見我們當然希望照顧但是請守著合法合憲的方式這才叫國家有鋼長我不知道主委有什麼看法我給你因為我超過一點時間10秒鐘你簡單回答一下謝謝趙偉我想我們在報告裡面也提到了第一個我們就希望能夠盡快恢復\n\n23\n00:08:33,010 --> 00:08:33,230\n二、審查\n\n24\n00:09:00,298 --> 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