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00:02:38,185\n所以在大學推廣高齡教育的USR計畫的時候他可以透過他們的研究能量來訂定一個比較嚴謹的前中後測可以確定說長者參與這個計畫之後他實質在活躍老化這一塊不管在身體心靈或是人際健康各方面他都有一定的成長這個是有科學數據可以驗證的就不像說有一些\n\n7\n00:02:39,125 --> 00:03:07,668\n有一些單位也許就是說請長輩來上個課但是到最後上完課到底得到什麼有沒有效果其實它那個是沒有辦法量化跟質化所以大學做這個我覺得有第一個優勢第二個優勢是在大學特別是我覺得教育部應該更鼓勵這一塊就是親迎共學我們現在教育部是不是也有在鼓勵代兼學習有嗎有相關的計畫嗎代兼學習親迎共學親迎共榮還有很多講法\n\n8\n00:03:09,272 --> 00:03:12,873\n在大學推廣的這種長輩的方案實際上那些長輩到大學裡面他看到很多大學生\n\n9\n00:03:30,564 --> 00:03:57,250\n在他的周邊實際上他們覺得心情都變輕鬆了而且他們願意很願意走入校園裡面去跟大學生打成一片而且不管是長輩對青年或者是這些大學生看長輩長時間相處下來對於彼此的刻板印象都有消除的作用所以青年共學這塊是非常重要還有第三個可能次長或者是司長不太了解你知道我跟長輩聊過他們去大學上這種課\n\n10\n00:03:58,750 --> 00:04:19,248\n他們會對那個大學有認同感會刺激他們不斷想要再去會延長他們的終身學習因為也許說他們在年輕的時候沒有上大學但他現在可能就覺得說我是一個某某大學的學生我每天去上課了跟家人說我要去上學了其實對他來說是有一個強烈認同感這對於回味老化是有幫助\n\n11\n00:04:20,709 --> 00:04:45,495\n我還建議說教育部你可以考慮啦如果是在大學辦的這種高齡教育課程你可以頒一個畢業證書或者是發個學生證給他們讓他們感覺說真的是屬於大學的一份子可以讓他們更願意喔那所以我在這邊就建議啦因為因應2025超高齡社會竟然教育部剛剛也承諾了像這USR計畫就是社會實驗計畫沒有要停嘛第四期要繼續嘛\n\n12\n00:04:46,815 --> 00:05:11,271\n那第5期我希望第5期第6期第7期都可以繼續下去因為大學現在擔心的是你把它斷掉之後要求大學自籌經費但他如果說沒有自籌經費沒有籌住成功的話這整個計畫斷掉那一方面我覺得很可惜第二方面這個計畫有延續性在延續當中的成果會因此的中斷所以不知道說剛剛這樣建議就是說兩個一個是一個確定了嘛計畫繼續延續第二個是\n\n13\n00:05:15,914 --> 00:05:21,535\n增加高齡教育的這塊的補助的項目跟名額這不知道這可不可以做到\n\n14\n00:05:23,195 --> 00:05:46,266\n我想我們這個高齡的這部分我們之前都有補助成立這個樂齡的學習中心然後結合這個大學來辦這個樂齡這個大學然後補助還有補助高齡的這個自主學習團體所以我想委員在講這個事情我們已經在做我就說因為因應超高齡化社會而且我覺得教育部也要去研究一下你們現在的高齡教育排批書是什麼時候訂的什麼時候訂的\n\n15\n00:05:50,598 --> 00:05:56,862\n我們有第二期的高齡教育忠誠計劃在執行計劃是什麼時候訂的我們基本上因為是第二期了對第二期的話我們是110108年到110108年訂的嘛對不對今年是113年已經過了五年了嘛\n\n16\n00:06:18,815 --> 00:06:33,030\n而且這五年間我們的高齡社會已經翻轉式的改變了啦次長都強調翻轉教育嘛因為現在高齡人口已經成為我們社會的主流了對吧\n\n17\n00:06:34,076 --> 00:06:49,997\n所以我們就研究一下了解一下到底現在我們的長輩們到底是需要什麼過去對長輩思維我覺得已經落伍了啦過去可能就覺得說讓長輩可能給點補助或者是讓他有一點健康\n\n18\n00:06:50,658 --> 00:06:51,479\n教育部政務次長\n\n19\n00:07:21,278 --> 00:07:45,729\n我想跟委員報告我非常認同委員剛才講的所以我們其實我們現在已經在規劃就是說這個壯世代的多元學習其實過去可能比較高齡的長者那什麼時候會有那個剛講那個什麼白皮素什麼時候會出來白皮素可能還要一點時間但我們很多政策是讓壯世代可以剛才提到這第三個你要有一個上位概念來推嘛你現在上位概念都還沒有確定\n\n20\n00:07:48,036 --> 00:08:12,957\n對,好啦,再加油啦,再我再問一下很多大學現在覺得說少子化的問題他們現在面臨一個挑戰叫接觸學生啦這我之前有提過啦就是說因為他們現在要接108課綱的小朋友那108課綱的小朋友因為在高中的時候可能因為必修課減少了所以基礎的學習變弱了到大學之後一些比如說普通的物理啊、微積分什麼的跟不上\n\n21\n00:08:14,162 --> 00:08:42,951\n他們開始懷疑說他上大學是不是自己素質不好所以很多大學現在在補救教學這是一個很大的問題因為次長也來自於大學嘛我不知道說我們今天雖然談的是高等教育有沒有可能回過去討論一下108課綱對於高中的影響因為它也影響到大學這部分有沒有可能有調整的空間還是你們就打算以後反正上大學再補救就好了\n\n22\n00:08:44,572 --> 00:09:01,740\n我覺得這個問題還有它的一些因素比如說像我們現在是這個大學的二階段就是它有推薦跟考試分發但很多學生他就是推薦上了以後他就跟學校請假那他就對啦要解決嘛因為我講的是問題嘛對不對我講的是問題那教育部應該如果發現有這個問題就是說現在的高中生上來之後還要大學開補救教學\n\n23\n00:09:07,483 --> 00:09:09,184\n我的重點應該是說大學應該不需要開補教學應該是說高中就應該具備基本的高中的素質啊\n\n24\n00:09:26,773 --> 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這不知道這可不可以做到\n323195\t346266\t我想我們這個高齡的這部分我們之前都有補助成立這個樂齡的學習中心然後結合這個大學來辦這個樂齡這個大學然後補助還有補助高齡的這個自主學習團體所以我想委員在講這個事情我們已經在做我就說因為因應超高齡化社會而且我覺得教育部也要去研究一下你們現在的高齡教育排批書是什麼時候訂的什麼時候訂的\n350598\t356862\t我們有第二期的高齡教育忠誠計劃在執行計劃是什麼時候訂的我們基本上因為是第二期了對第二期的話我們是110108年到110108年訂的嘛對不對今年是113年已經過了五年了嘛\n378815\t393030\t而且這五年間我們的高齡社會已經翻轉式的改變了啦次長都強調翻轉教育嘛因為現在高齡人口已經成為我們社會的主流了對吧\n394076\t409997\t所以我們就研究一下了解一下到底現在我們的長輩們到底是需要什麼過去對長輩思維我覺得已經落伍了啦過去可能就覺得說讓長輩可能給點補助或者是讓他有一點健康\n410658\t411479\t教育部政務次長\n441278\t465729\t我想跟委員報告我非常認同委員剛才講的所以我們其實我們現在已經在規劃就是說這個壯世代的多元學習其實過去可能比較高齡的長者那什麼時候會有那個剛講那個什麼白皮素什麼時候會出來白皮素可能還要一點時間但我們很多政策是讓壯世代可以剛才提到這第三個你要有一個上位概念來推嘛你現在上位概念都還沒有確定\n468036\t492957\t對,好啦,再加油啦,再我再問一下很多大學現在覺得說少子化的問題他們現在面臨一個挑戰叫接觸學生啦這我之前有提過啦就是說因為他們現在要接108課綱的小朋友那108課綱的小朋友因為在高中的時候可能因為必修課減少了所以基礎的學習變弱了到大學之後一些比如說普通的物理啊、微積分什麼的跟不上\n494162\t522951\t他們開始懷疑說他上大學是不是自己素質不好所以很多大學現在在補救教學這是一個很大的問題因為次長也來自於大學嘛我不知道說我們今天雖然談的是高等教育有沒有可能回過去討論一下108課綱對於高中的影響因為它也影響到大學這部分有沒有可能有調整的空間還是你們就打算以後反正上大學再補救就好了\n524572\t541740\t我覺得這個問題還有它的一些因素比如說像我們現在是這個大學的二階段就是它有推薦跟考試分發但很多學生他就是推薦上了以後他就跟學校請假那他就對啦要解決嘛因為我講的是問題嘛對不對我講的是問題那教育部應該如果發現有這個問題就是說現在的高中生上來之後還要大學開補救教學\n547483\t549184\t我的重點應該是說大學應該不需要開補教學應該是說高中就應該具備基本的高中的素質啊\n566773\t582701\t這要去瞭解啦,看怎麼解決啦好不好那課綱如果真的造成我們這些專業能力的不如從前的話也需要去先討一下這有些時候其實不完全是課綱的問題也不完全嘛那你知道問題就要去解決啦對不對教育單位嘛是對不對好謝謝\n","txt":"麻煩請次長葉丙成次長謝謝次長好我們在報告裡面有看到我們現在有推一個叫做大學生根計畫那裡面有一個是USR那現在USR進行到第幾期了\n從106開始第幾期第幾期第三期現在第三期那第四期什麼時候要開始第四期從明年114明年114開始嘛這已經確定了嘛現在大學有在講一個疑慮說教育部現在好像有在規劃說第四期結束之後就要把它停掉了有這件事情嗎完全沒有是不是所以大學有點多慮了所以這個USR計畫會一直持續下去是不是\n我問次長就確定齁?確定USR計畫會一直持續下去?確定齁?我補充一下跟委員報告我們第四期是114到116這三年一定會把它執行完後續我們會來規劃下一期那下一期經費我們也會持續的來爭取那如果是這樣的話那當然就是\n對大學來說就可以放心為什麼因為我想跟次長報告其實我個人認為說這個USR就是大學社會實踐計畫其實是蠻應該做的因為當初教育部在推動這個計畫的時候有強調嘛我們要以人為本嘛在地連結嘛科技輔助嘛對不對讓學生從做中學社區結合那因為有結合SDGs的16項計畫所以在我們社會上各個層面其實都有發揮一定的作用\n特別是我覺得可以加強開放高齡的這個項目為什麼?因為明年就是超高齡化社會就我所知有一些大學在做高齡這個項目實際上是做得不錯的而且我非常鼓勵大學來做這一塊我當然知道坊間有很多單位都在做高齡教育但是大學有其他單位沒有的特質比如第一個我們大學裡面有研究能量\n所以在大學推廣高齡教育的USR計畫的時候他可以透過他們的研究能量來訂定一個比較嚴謹的前中後測可以確定說長者參與這個計畫之後他實質在活躍老化這一塊不管在身體心靈或是人際健康各方面他都有一定的成長這個是有科學數據可以驗證的就不像說有一些\n有一些單位也許就是說請長輩來上個課但是到最後上完課到底得到什麼有沒有效果其實它那個是沒有辦法量化跟質化所以大學做這個我覺得有第一個優勢第二個優勢是在大學特別是我覺得教育部應該更鼓勵這一塊就是親迎共學我們現在教育部是不是也有在鼓勵代兼學習有嗎有相關的計畫嗎代兼學習親迎共學親迎共榮還有很多講法\n在大學推廣的這種長輩的方案實際上那些長輩到大學裡面他看到很多大學生\n在他的周邊實際上他們覺得心情都變輕鬆了而且他們願意很願意走入校園裡面去跟大學生打成一片而且不管是長輩對青年或者是這些大學生看長輩長時間相處下來對於彼此的刻板印象都有消除的作用所以青年共學這塊是非常重要還有第三個可能次長或者是司長不太了解你知道我跟長輩聊過他們去大學上這種課\n他們會對那個大學有認同感會刺激他們不斷想要再去會延長他們的終身學習因為也許說他們在年輕的時候沒有上大學但他現在可能就覺得說我是一個某某大學的學生我每天去上課了跟家人說我要去上學了其實對他來說是有一個強烈認同感這對於回味老化是有幫助\n我還建議說教育部你可以考慮啦如果是在大學辦的這種高齡教育課程你可以頒一個畢業證書或者是發個學生證給他們讓他們感覺說真的是屬於大學的一份子可以讓他們更願意喔那所以我在這邊就建議啦因為因應2025超高齡社會竟然教育部剛剛也承諾了像這USR計畫就是社會實驗計畫沒有要停嘛第四期要繼續嘛\n那第5期我希望第5期第6期第7期都可以繼續下去因為大學現在擔心的是你把它斷掉之後要求大學自籌經費但他如果說沒有自籌經費沒有籌住成功的話這整個計畫斷掉那一方面我覺得很可惜第二方面這個計畫有延續性在延續當中的成果會因此的中斷所以不知道說剛剛這樣建議就是說兩個一個是一個確定了嘛計畫繼續延續第二個是\n增加高齡教育的這塊的補助的項目跟名額 這不知道這可不可以做到\n我想我們這個高齡的這部分我們之前都有補助成立這個樂齡的學習中心然後結合這個大學來辦這個樂齡這個大學然後補助還有補助高齡的這個自主學習團體所以我想委員在講這個事情我們已經在做我就說因為因應超高齡化社會而且我覺得教育部也要去研究一下你們現在的高齡教育排批書是什麼時候訂的什麼時候訂的\n我們有第二期的高齡教育忠誠計劃在執行計劃是什麼時候訂的我們基本上因為是第二期了對第二期的話我們是110108年到110108年訂的嘛對不對今年是113年已經過了五年了嘛\n而且這五年間我們的高齡社會已經翻轉式的改變了啦次長都強調翻轉教育嘛因為現在高齡人口已經成為我們社會的主流了對吧\n所以我們就研究一下了解一下到底現在我們的長輩們到底是需要什麼過去對長輩思維我覺得已經落伍了啦過去可能就覺得說讓長輩可能給點補助或者是讓他有一點健康\n教育部政務次長\n我想跟委員報告我非常認同委員剛才講的所以我們其實我們現在已經在規劃就是說這個壯世代的多元學習其實過去可能比較高齡的長者那什麼時候會有那個剛講那個什麼白皮素什麼時候會出來白皮素可能還要一點時間但我們很多政策是讓壯世代可以剛才提到這第三個你要有一個上位概念來推嘛你現在上位概念都還沒有確定\n對,好啦,再加油啦,再我再問一下很多大學現在覺得說少子化的問題他們現在面臨一個挑戰叫接觸學生啦這我之前有提過啦就是說因為他們現在要接108課綱的小朋友那108課綱的小朋友因為在高中的時候可能因為必修課減少了所以基礎的學習變弱了到大學之後一些比如說普通的物理啊、微積分什麼的跟不上\n他們開始懷疑說他上大學是不是自己素質不好所以很多大學現在在補救教學這是一個很大的問題因為次長也來自於大學嘛我不知道說我們今天雖然談的是高等教育有沒有可能回過去討論一下108課綱對於高中的影響因為它也影響到大學這部分有沒有可能有調整的空間還是你們就打算以後反正上大學再補救就好了\n我覺得這個問題還有它的一些因素比如說像我們現在是這個大學的二階段就是它有推薦跟考試分發但很多學生他就是推薦上了以後他就跟學校請假那他就對啦要解決嘛因為我講的是問題嘛對不對我講的是問題那教育部應該如果發現有這個問題就是說現在的高中生上來之後還要大學開補救教學\n我的重點應該是說大學應該不需要開補教學應該是說高中就應該具備基本的高中的素質啊\n這要去瞭解啦,看怎麼解決啦好不好那課綱如果真的造成我們這些專業能力的不如從前的話也需要去先討一下這有些時候其實不完全是課綱的問題也不完全嘛那你知道問題就要去解決啦對不對教育單位嘛是對不對好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.428 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