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00:00:04,351\n謝謝主席原民會主委有請好有請曾主委主委早安五月好這個本席在這個5月13號這個就搬遷原住民語言傳播大樓的整備事宜專題報告的時候我們針對是不是可以興建員工宿舍這件事情我們有提出質詢那麼5月30號有做追蹤\n\n2\n00:00:27,620 --> 00:00:44,918\n那後面這個兩個基金會的董事長包含主委您也來本席辦公室討論謝謝你們對這件事情的重視但是我要特別講5月13號那時候討論的時候我們的小結論就是一個月之內給出完整方案那今天這個非常剛好今天6月13號剛好距離我們開始關心這個題目剛好一個月\n\n3\n00:00:47,621 --> 00:01:11,798\n那當初來協調會的時候你沒有講說兩個基金會內部還沒有針對這個相關的規劃還沒有內部整合還沒有一個具體的一個策略但是怎麼樣一個月也到了是不是該提出一個完整的說法請主委回答謝謝好謝謝謝謝委員那目前就是我們延如會這裡因為他最近這個大概這個禮拜他去參加這個\n\n4\n00:01:13,423 --> 00:01:38,533\n太平洋藝術節在夏威夷所以目前這個進度還沒有趕上來還比較慢所以你們前面答應我一個月之內要給答案是在開玩笑是不是在給我們一個禮拜好不好因為他那邊還沒有整個整理出來所以還沒有我們還沒有辦法這樣子不行啦你如果有狀況你要提早跟我講啊對不對要不然怎麼怎麼討論呢但沒關係啦本席是有準備的\n\n5\n00:01:41,032 --> 00:02:02,991\n現在處理這個事情有三個步驟第一個叫你內部要整合出一個版本嘛對不對我們如何保障這些在這個兩基金會上班的人到新的大樓的時候他的工作通勤的權益能夠完整的確保你內部要先有個方案出來那你這個內部的都有提出很熱血的方案我是覺得很好啊希望單位可以育成這第一個\n\n6\n00:02:03,712 --> 00:02:20,273\n二、整合出版本之後要進行行政溝通因為新的大樓在桃園所以你好歹要跟桃園市政府打打招呼過去曾經有做過這樣的嘗試可是過去都沒有把權力義務關係講清楚誰來做、什麼時候做、資源來怎麼來做分配\n\n7\n00:02:20,894 --> 00:02:44,187\n那桃園市政府當然會覺得很擔心阿會不會我答應的到最後所有的事情都是我處理沒有得到外在的資源造成桃園的負擔這個是從地方政府的角度出發會有這樣的懷疑是很合理的所以中間要有人溝通我在質詢的時候我答應大家我說要跟桃園市政府溝通我來扮演這樣的角色這件事我說到做到所以我希望你們該整合該給按照時間給計劃你們也要說到做到\n\n8\n00:02:44,867 --> 00:03:07,305\n第二、行政溝通第三、真正的深水區也是我們今天要花時間討論的叫做經費來源你們很多的員工其實是希望在未來大樓離一站或兩站的機場捷運站附近如果有好的閒置的公有地來做他們希望是做像合一住宅也就是說中央處理部分的資源由建商來處理然後用一個相對低的承購價格\n\n9\n00:03:08,226 --> 00:03:24,455\n這是一個概念那我覺得我們心態可以放開一點它不見得一定要是合一住宅的形式但是它一定要是個員工宿舍的形式因為處理這個事情的目標就是要讓你這些從台北現在要到桃園來上班的人不要變成舟車勞頓的通勤族嘛\n\n10\n00:03:24,795 --> 00:03:47,207\n所以不管它的形式是什麼你總要花一點時間去做建設嘛你總要把這個建築的量體做出來好問題來了這年頭這個原物料價格大漲對不對要蓋個房子其實價格不菲那麼經費來源是哪裡這本席想破頭結果我看到你們的報告之後我非常高興為什麼呢因為你們的原住民族政見推動規劃專題報告第9頁\n\n11\n00:03:50,788 --> 00:04:18,785\n說持續推動都市原住民族發展方案五年經費77.9億元在你們精進的專題報告裡面也明確的表格列出來不錯資料整理很好第三頁計畫目標第四項發展多元職能提升就業競爭力裡面四之三寫促進原住民就業非常高興前面我們開這個題目的原因是什麼因為你到要搬街有15%的人可能會離職啊\n\n12\n00:04:20,326 --> 00:04:43,486\n這個對原住民的就業來說他是一個負面的指標如果我們今天把這員工宿舍的配套處理好把這15%的人找回來他就是促進原住民的就業所以他完全符合四之三的具體措施他不只符合四之三的具體措施他還符合六之三的具體措施六之三第六項叫多元居住方案落實居住正義其中啊\n\n13\n00:04:44,287 --> 00:05:09,064\n其實不只六之三我仔細的看了一下六之二也可以你看輔導推動原住民族住宅如果這些大部分原住民族上班的人有員工宿舍他是不是原住民住宅他當然是六之三打造都市地區原住民安居聚落非常好桃園就是都市原住民比例相對高的一個地方未來你的大樓周邊如果他們居住在附近他們就是標準的都市原住民所以你看\n\n14\n00:05:09,924 --> 00:05:37,394\n完全符合你這個原住民族發展方案各項內容所以原民會當然應該編列相關的資源我相信原民會把計畫安排好也編列了相關的預算資源的時候台灣市政府怎麼會不配合呢對不對這個既符合原民會的中央施政的總體目標又有相關的裁員又是中央跟地方可以共同創造對我國原住民族保障的政策亮點何樂而不為主委你覺得呢\n\n15\n00:05:38,966 --> 00:05:53,456\n這個我們會拜託就是快一點就是我們這裡的這個英文會這邊跟教育處這裡教育文化處這邊趕快把那個報告提出來之後我們來盤點那就有就現有可以補助的這個計畫裡面我們趕快來給協助\n\n16\n00:05:57,857 --> 00:06:20,652\n現有的補助計畫趕快給協助。」所以基本上是會蓋囉?我可以這樣子樂觀的解讀嗎?把他們的那個評估出來的那個報告趕快拿出來齁那我們拿出來之後我們來合對來討論一下是什麼地方...我跟你講我再給你一個禮拜但是你不能再這樣子這很糟糕我們的趙偉是原住民族很重要的角色對不對?你如果再不尊重內政委員會的委員喔\n\n17\n00:06:21,132 --> 00:06:39,630\n那以後大家走著瞧好不好我不喜歡在質詢台上講重話可是你答應我一個月時你就要說到做到好,我不只幫你想了預算我還幫你想了預算以外的事情什麼叫預算以外的事情這個我要請內政部常務市長也聽一下好不好因為這一條曾經曾經跟你們做過討論\n\n18\n00:06:41,452 --> 00:07:08,851\n這我們曾經在財政委員會質詢那時候是花市長花市長雖然現在換了一個崗位但是他一樣這個我想跟社會住宅相關的一些推動他還是很重要的一個角色我們那時候在財政委員會講的概念叫ESG現在ESG是世界企業的主流透過投資的方式對環境友善對社會責任友善這是大家鼓勵從事的一個方向那麼其中其實可以用綠色債券社會責任債券的方式來幫政府籌措裁員\n\n19\n00:07:09,491 --> 00:07:24,105\n鼓勵企業來投資啊你就發這個ESG的社會責任債券企業來進場企業得到了ESG的美名他配合了全世界的公平正義對不對你政府募到的財源相對來講你要興建合一住宅也好員工宿舍也好\n\n20\n00:07:24,525 --> 00:07:41,915\n社會住宅也好其實你是有相關多的政策武器這一件事情當初一樣在財政委員會雖然不在這裡但是花部長那個花次長當初的花次長也答應本席說內政部會進行研擬好你中間有換屆對不對總有交接這本席願意理解但是\n\n21\n00:07:43,656 --> 00:08:07,488\n請問針對用這樣子的方式來為未來全台灣這不只是原住民族了未來全台灣的社會住宅興建來提供特殊的財源讓企業可以參與請問這樣子的一個方向內政部是否有研擬是否有進展謝謝委員的推詢我想社會住宅的興建你剛談到ESG的結合這個部分其實本來在社會住宅我們也有這個努力的方向那相關的籌措財源的部分大概\n\n22\n00:08:08,727 --> 00:08:35,132\n您大概知道我們社會住宅的興建其實現在目前仰賴就是尋找閒置的公有土地那興建財源的部分也是由行政院這邊來撥補相關的經費投入到住宅基金裡面來投入那我想這個也其實政策是延續的啦那我想我們社會住宅的政策的部分其實我們都沒有改變那我剛提的部分我回去我們會再找租住中心跟國土署然後看怎麼樣把它強化\n\n23\n00:08:35,532 --> 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六之三打造都市地區原住民安居聚落非常好桃園就是都市原住民比例相對高的一個地方未來你的大樓周邊如果他們居住在附近他們就是標準的都市原住民所以你看\n完全符合你這個原住民族發展方案各項內容所以原民會當然應該編列相關的資源我相信原民會把計畫安排好也編列了相關的預算資源的時候台灣市政府怎麼會不配合呢對不對這個既符合原民會的中央施政的總體目標又有相關的裁員又是中央跟地方可以共同創造對我國原住民族保障的政策亮點何樂而不為主委你覺得呢\n這個我們會拜託就是快一點就是我們這裡的這個英文會這邊跟教育處這裡教育文化處這邊趕快把那個報告提出來之後我們來盤點那就有就現有可以補助的這個計畫裡面我們趕快來給協助\n現有的補助計畫趕快給協助。」所以基本上是會蓋囉?我可以這樣子樂觀的解讀嗎?把他們的那個評估出來的那個報告趕快拿出來齁那我們拿出來之後我們來合對來討論一下是什麼地方...我跟你講我再給你一個禮拜但是你不能再這樣子這很糟糕我們的趙偉是原住民族很重要的角色對不對?你如果再不尊重內政委員會的委員喔\n那以後大家走著瞧好不好我不喜歡在質詢台上講重話可是你答應我一個月時你就要說到做到好,我不只幫你想了預算我還幫你想了預算以外的事情什麼叫預算以外的事情這個我要請內政部常務市長也聽一下好不好因為這一條曾經曾經跟你們做過討論\n這我們曾經在財政委員會質詢那時候是花市長花市長雖然現在換了一個崗位但是他一樣這個我想跟社會住宅相關的一些推動他還是很重要的一個角色我們那時候在財政委員會講的概念叫ESG現在ESG是世界企業的主流透過投資的方式對環境友善對社會責任友善這是大家鼓勵從事的一個方向那麼其中其實可以用綠色債券社會責任債券的方式來幫政府籌措裁員\n鼓勵企業來投資啊你就發這個ESG的社會責任債券企業來進場企業得到了ESG的美名他配合了全世界的公平正義對不對你政府募到的財源相對來講你要興建合一住宅也好員工宿舍也好\n社會住宅也好其實你是有相關多的政策武器這一件事情當初一樣在財政委員會雖然不在這裡但是花部長那個花次長當初的花次長也答應本席說內政部會進行研擬好你中間有換屆對不對總有交接這本席願意理解但是\n請問針對用這樣子的方式來為未來全台灣這不只是原住民族了未來全台灣的社會住宅興建來提供特殊的財源讓企業可以參與請問這樣子的一個方向內政部是否有研擬是否有進展謝謝委員的推詢我想社會住宅的興建你剛談到ESG的結合這個部分其實本來在社會住宅我們也有這個努力的方向那相關的籌措財源的部分大概\n您大概知道我們社會住宅的興建其實現在目前仰賴就是尋找閒置的公有土地那興建財源的部分也是由行政院這邊來撥補相關的經費投入到住宅基金裡面來投入那我想這個也其實政策是延續的啦那我想我們社會住宅的政策的部分其實我們都沒有改變那我剛提的部分我回去我們會再找租住中心跟國土署然後看怎麼樣把它強化\n好,我也希望內政部,我們剛剛談的這個原住民族的這個特別的案子,如果內政部可以予以協助,那當然是最好,對不對?既然,你看我都幫你想到,我幫你超前部族,萬一政府編不出來,對不對?我都在講你可以發行ESG的相關的一個債券,對,我們都很努力,就希望促成好的政策啦,好不好?希望內政部也好,原民會也好,不要讓本席失望,可以嗎?好,辛苦,謝謝。好,非常謝謝劉錫廷委員,身為原住民的議員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.149 --> 00:04.351\n謝謝主席原民會主委有請好有請曾主委主委早安五月好這個本席在這個5月13號這個就搬遷原住民語言傳播大樓的整備事宜專題報告的時候我們針對是不是可以興建員工宿舍這件事情我們有提出質詢那麼5月30號有做追蹤\n\n00:27.620 --> 00:44.918\n那後面這個兩個基金會的董事長包含主委您也來本席辦公室討論謝謝你們對這件事情的重視但是我要特別講5月13號那時候討論的時候我們的小結論就是一個月之內給出完整方案那今天這個非常剛好今天6月13號剛好距離我們開始關心這個題目剛好一個月\n\n00:47.621 --> 01:11.798\n那當初來協調會的時候你沒有講說兩個基金會內部還沒有針對這個相關的規劃還沒有內部整合還沒有一個具體的一個策略但是怎麼樣一個月也到了是不是該提出一個完整的說法請主委回答謝謝好謝謝謝謝委員那目前就是我們延如會這裡因為他最近這個大概這個禮拜他去參加這個\n\n01:13.423 --> 01:38.533\n太平洋藝術節在夏威夷所以目前這個進度還沒有趕上來還比較慢所以你們前面答應我一個月之內要給答案是在開玩笑是不是在給我們一個禮拜好不好因為他那邊還沒有整個整理出來所以還沒有我們還沒有辦法這樣子不行啦你如果有狀況你要提早跟我講啊對不對要不然怎麼怎麼討論呢但沒關係啦本席是有準備的\n\n01:41.032 --> 02:02.991\n現在處理這個事情有三個步驟第一個叫你內部要整合出一個版本嘛對不對我們如何保障這些在這個兩基金會上班的人到新的大樓的時候他的工作通勤的權益能夠完整的確保你內部要先有個方案出來那你這個內部的都有提出很熱血的方案我是覺得很好啊希望單位可以育成這第一個\n\n02:03.712 --> 02:20.273\n二、整合出版本之後要進行行政溝通因為新的大樓在桃園所以你好歹要跟桃園市政府打打招呼過去曾經有做過這樣的嘗試可是過去都沒有把權力義務關係講清楚誰來做、什麼時候做、資源來怎麼來做分配\n\n02:20.894 --> 02:44.187\n那桃園市政府當然會覺得很擔心阿會不會我答應的到最後所有的事情都是我處理沒有得到外在的資源造成桃園的負擔這個是從地方政府的角度出發會有這樣的懷疑是很合理的所以中間要有人溝通我在質詢的時候我答應大家我說要跟桃園市政府溝通我來扮演這樣的角色這件事我說到做到所以我希望你們該整合該給按照時間給計劃你們也要說到做到\n\n02:44.867 --> 03:07.305\n第二、行政溝通第三、真正的深水區也是我們今天要花時間討論的叫做經費來源你們很多的員工其實是希望在未來大樓離一站或兩站的機場捷運站附近如果有好的閒置的公有地來做他們希望是做像合一住宅也就是說中央處理部分的資源由建商來處理然後用一個相對低的承購價格\n\n03:08.226 --> 03:24.455\n這是一個概念那我覺得我們心態可以放開一點它不見得一定要是合一住宅的形式但是它一定要是個員工宿舍的形式因為處理這個事情的目標就是要讓你這些從台北現在要到桃園來上班的人不要變成舟車勞頓的通勤族嘛\n\n03:24.795 --> 03:47.207\n所以不管它的形式是什麼你總要花一點時間去做建設嘛你總要把這個建築的量體做出來好問題來了這年頭這個原物料價格大漲對不對要蓋個房子其實價格不菲那麼經費來源是哪裡這本席想破頭結果我看到你們的報告之後我非常高興為什麼呢因為你們的原住民族政見推動規劃專題報告第9頁\n\n03:50.788 --> 04:18.785\n說持續推動都市原住民族發展方案五年經費77.9億元在你們精進的專題報告裡面也明確的表格列出來不錯資料整理很好第三頁計畫目標第四項發展多元職能提升就業競爭力裡面四之三寫促進原住民就業非常高興前面我們開這個題目的原因是什麼因為你到要搬街有15%的人可能會離職啊\n\n04:20.326 --> 04:43.486\n這個對原住民的就業來說他是一個負面的指標如果我們今天把這員工宿舍的配套處理好把這15%的人找回來他就是促進原住民的就業所以他完全符合四之三的具體措施他不只符合四之三的具體措施他還符合六之三的具體措施六之三第六項叫多元居住方案落實居住正義其中啊\n\n04:44.287 --> 05:09.064\n其實不只六之三我仔細的看了一下六之二也可以你看輔導推動原住民族住宅如果這些大部分原住民族上班的人有員工宿舍他是不是原住民住宅他當然是六之三打造都市地區原住民安居聚落非常好桃園就是都市原住民比例相對高的一個地方未來你的大樓周邊如果他們居住在附近他們就是標準的都市原住民所以你看\n\n05:09.924 --> 05:37.394\n完全符合你這個原住民族發展方案各項內容所以原民會當然應該編列相關的資源我相信原民會把計畫安排好也編列了相關的預算資源的時候台灣市政府怎麼會不配合呢對不對這個既符合原民會的中央施政的總體目標又有相關的裁員又是中央跟地方可以共同創造對我國原住民族保障的政策亮點何樂而不為主委你覺得呢\n\n05:38.966 --> 05:53.456\n這個我們會拜託就是快一點就是我們這裡的這個英文會這邊跟教育處這裡教育文化處這邊趕快把那個報告提出來之後我們來盤點那就有就現有可以補助的這個計畫裡面我們趕快來給協助\n\n05:57.857 --> 06:20.652\n現有的補助計畫趕快給協助。」所以基本上是會蓋囉?我可以這樣子樂觀的解讀嗎?把他們的那個評估出來的那個報告趕快拿出來齁那我們拿出來之後我們來合對來討論一下是什麼地方...我跟你講我再給你一個禮拜但是你不能再這樣子這很糟糕我們的趙偉是原住民族很重要的角色對不對?你如果再不尊重內政委員會的委員喔\n\n06:21.132 --> 06:39.630\n那以後大家走著瞧好不好我不喜歡在質詢台上講重話可是你答應我一個月時你就要說到做到好,我不只幫你想了預算我還幫你想了預算以外的事情什麼叫預算以外的事情這個我要請內政部常務市長也聽一下好不好因為這一條曾經曾經跟你們做過討論\n\n06:41.452 --> 07:08.851\n這我們曾經在財政委員會質詢那時候是花市長花市長雖然現在換了一個崗位但是他一樣這個我想跟社會住宅相關的一些推動他還是很重要的一個角色我們那時候在財政委員會講的概念叫ESG現在ESG是世界企業的主流透過投資的方式對環境友善對社會責任友善這是大家鼓勵從事的一個方向那麼其中其實可以用綠色債券社會責任債券的方式來幫政府籌措裁員\n\n07:09.491 --> 07:24.105\n鼓勵企業來投資啊你就發這個ESG的社會責任債券企業來進場企業得到了ESG的美名他配合了全世界的公平正義對不對你政府募到的財源相對來講你要興建合一住宅也好員工宿舍也好\n\n07:24.525 --> 07:41.915\n社會住宅也好其實你是有相關多的政策武器這一件事情當初一樣在財政委員會雖然不在這裡但是花部長那個花次長當初的花次長也答應本席說內政部會進行研擬好你中間有換屆對不對總有交接這本席願意理解但是\n\n07:43.656 --> 08:07.488\n請問針對用這樣子的方式來為未來全台灣這不只是原住民族了未來全台灣的社會住宅興建來提供特殊的財源讓企業可以參與請問這樣子的一個方向內政部是否有研擬是否有進展謝謝委員的推詢我想社會住宅的興建你剛談到ESG的結合這個部分其實本來在社會住宅我們也有這個努力的方向那相關的籌措財源的部分大概\n\n08:08.727 --> 08:35.132\n您大概知道我們社會住宅的興建其實現在目前仰賴就是尋找閒置的公有土地那興建財源的部分也是由行政院這邊來撥補相關的經費投入到住宅基金裡面來投入那我想這個也其實政策是延續的啦那我想我們社會住宅的政策的部分其實我們都沒有改變那我剛提的部分我回去我們會再找租住中心跟國土署然後看怎麼樣把它強化\n\n08:35.532 --> 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