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00:02:06,424\n感謝委員這麼關心消防工作人員那事實上就是包括限職跟退休人員我們一樣都要特別的關心那限職人員我們在未來的幾年行政委員已經合訂23項計畫總共達到270億元的經費那對他的福利待遇過去8年已經有13項的計畫已經在執行我想對限職人員這部分來處理當然退休人員怎麼跟相關部會共同來努力這個我們會共同來努力\n\n7\n00:02:06,624 --> 00:02:21,514\n所以基本上你也是認同今天委員們的對退休的消防人員的福利的照顧嗎?消防人員跟退休人員都我們一定來重視都認同嘛對不對?謝謝委員好那我們再想請教一下我們的移民署\n\n8\n00:02:25,014 --> 00:02:44,344\n你覺得移民署的同仁辛不辛苦啊?危不危險工作?辛苦而且危險謝謝委員那今天對於今天立法委員們提案希望能夠照顧我們移民署的退休人員的福利請問你知不支持?當然支持非常謝謝我們移民署好來請我們的空情總隊總隊長同樣的問題你支持嗎?\n\n9\n00:02:49,892 --> 00:03:00,228\n你支持委員們來照顧我們空勤總隊的退休弟兄們的福利嗎?支持支持好謝謝我們再請我們的海巡署張署長\n\n10\n00:03:02,099 --> 00:03:25,198\n請問你支持委員們照顧我們海巡弟兄,因為這些海巡弟兄真的很辛苦啊,沒錯吧,對不對?在風浪中搏鬥,然後在路上也要去做這個相關的一些巡查海防,很辛苦吧?有沒有危險性?所以你支不支持來爭取改善我們退休海巡人員的福利?\n\n11\n00:03:25,697 --> 00:03:52,327\n非常謝謝委員關心有關於海巡人員不管是在職不管是退休都要好好照顧那這個部分我們會配合那個行政院的政策然後跟其他部委協調我們積極的推動這件事情所以你認同你也支持今天提高我們海巡退休人員的待遇謝謝委員的關心好謝謝您我們發現我們最前線的我們今天的幾個機關\n\n12\n00:03:54,773 --> 00:04:08,878\n因為不管今天委員們有的提案是針對警消有提案針對海巡針對移民署、空勤總隊他們有一個共同的特性就是他們的工作都有相當的危險性\n\n13\n00:04:10,451 --> 00:04:24,217\n這個相當危險性其實他的退休的一個照顧跟他的退休的福利其實也就是對他整個生涯過程當中我們提供一個應該有的一個回饋\n\n14\n00:04:25,177 --> 00:04:54,797\n同時也是構成因為任何人在選擇職外過程當中他看的也不只是在職的待遇嗎我想請我們警政署長沒錯吧也包括退休的嗎對沒錯對所以某種程度今天在職跟退休當然都要照顧但是今天的退休今天的退休對不對就是昨天的在職啊對不對今天的在職就是明天的退休他其實嚴格來講都要照顧但是他其實是一體性的我不知道署長你認不認同這件事情\n\n15\n00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:02,156\n認同對嘛好所以此在這邊哈我要特別講我就問一下我們署長你知道哈這個\n\n16\n00:05:03,919 --> 00:05:30,616\n我們有這邊有一句話好一段話警察工作非常辛苦日夜顛倒執勤時長期處在精神緊繃狀態那過去我們在警察照顧上做的不夠完整受限財政的情況不同有不同的制度跟福利這樣情況應該要改善國家要投入更多的資源來支持遠景身心的醫療照顧所以今天內政部在這裡我們請你負責這件事跟部會討論協調\n\n17\n00:05:31,997 --> 00:06:00,736\n提出照顧員警身心健康的完整計畫。」你知道這段話誰說的嗎?這段話誰說的?非常體恤我們警察同仁的。應該是我們的政府說的嘛。對,那蔡英文總統說的。對。所以換言之很明顯的我們蔡總統也知道今天站在第一線的我們的警消,我們的一些有危險勤務工作的一些同仁,他們其實負擔了很大很大的一些工作上的負擔。\n\n18\n00:06:01,536 --> 00:06:27,104\n那最近尤其大家可以看到說有些人就講說我們對於這些我們的危險勤務的政府的一些前線的人員常常今天只要出了事情大家就開始去這個就表示哀悼然後要去檢討可是常常今天攻擊明天忘記這種現象就是只是在今天出事的時候然後去想到說今天不管警察消防人員\n\n19\n00:06:27,924 --> 00:06:52,564\n但是真的到我們需要幫助的時候你就發現這些力量是不在的所以今天為什麼我們要提出這樣的一個改革的一個提案就是要讓我們今天包括我們的有危險情務的警察消防人員海巡或是空勤總隊或是移民署的同仁今天得到一個合理的待遇跟照顧最後我想請教一下我們的那個全序部來全序部\n\n20\n00:06:55,165 --> 00:07:22,679\n我看到你們的報告第9頁你就說如果說今天以警消人員來說按照我們今天的這個方案10年要增加20億元嘛對不對如果是警消的部分第9頁啊你們的報告寫的啊我們報告我們後來有補充一個資料給大家就是從第10年到第19年每年每年會增加這個\n\n21\n00:07:24,895 --> 00:07:31,958\n二）委員萬美玲等19人擬具«警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案》案。\n\n22\n00:07:54,039 --> 00:07:54,679\n二）委員蔡英文等19人擬具\n\n23\n00:08:22,915 --> 00:08:35,611\n你知道那時候我們的政府的稅數預算是多少?剛剛我們龍介先有提到。大概一兆六到一兆八啦,對不對?那時候啊。你知道現在是多少嗎?我們的113年度你知道我們的稅數是多少嗎?\n\n24\n00:08:38,779 --> 00:08:58,433\n兩兆八千億欸那我要跟你講重點是什麼今天你跟我講說多十億多二十億每年你要跟我講這個事情我是每年比馬政府說多一兆欸你今天電力齁能源政策正確一點核電齁早點去啟用\n\n25\n00:08:59,173 --> 00:08:59,333\n二）委員\n\n26\n00:09:19,156 --> 00:09:43,201\n其實真的你好好照顧今天我們的這些警消還有一些危險勤務的人員這是政府的責任啦當然你要去橫貧你的財政的一個考量我可以知道你的立場有這個立場我沒有為難你但是我要回頭要講什麼事情你覺得十億負擔很大我看到每年多一兆我的負擔才大我嚇死啊\n\n27\n00:09:44,401 --> 00:09:44,501\n二）委員\n\n28\n00:10:05,994 --> 00:10:06,654\n二）委員二）委員\n\n29\n00:10:34,804 --> 00:10:34,904\n二）委員\n\n30\n00:11:00,351 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02:21.514\n所以基本上你也是認同今天委員們的對退休的消防人員的福利的照顧嗎?消防人員跟退休人員都我們一定來重視都認同嘛對不對?謝謝委員好那我們再想請教一下我們的移民署\n\n02:25.014 --> 02:44.344\n你覺得移民署的同仁辛不辛苦啊?危不危險工作?辛苦而且危險謝謝委員那今天對於今天立法委員們提案希望能夠照顧我們移民署的退休人員的福利請問你知不支持?當然支持非常謝謝我們移民署好來請我們的空情總隊總隊長同樣的問題你支持嗎?\n\n02:49.892 --> 03:00.228\n你支持委員們來照顧我們空勤總隊的退休弟兄們的福利嗎?支持支持好謝謝我們再請我們的海巡署張署長\n\n03:02.099 --> 03:25.198\n請問你支持委員們照顧我們海巡弟兄,因為這些海巡弟兄真的很辛苦啊,沒錯吧,對不對?在風浪中搏鬥,然後在路上也要去做這個相關的一些巡查海防,很辛苦吧?有沒有危險性?所以你支不支持來爭取改善我們退休海巡人員的福利?\n\n03:25.697 --> 03:52.327\n非常謝謝委員關心有關於海巡人員不管是在職不管是退休都要好好照顧那這個部分我們會配合那個行政院的政策然後跟其他部委協調我們積極的推動這件事情所以你認同你也支持今天提高我們海巡退休人員的待遇謝謝委員的關心好謝謝您我們發現我們最前線的我們今天的幾個機關\n\n03:54.773 --> 04:08.878\n因為不管今天委員們有的提案是針對警消有提案針對海巡針對移民署、空勤總隊他們有一個共同的特性就是他們的工作都有相當的危險性\n\n04:10.451 --> 04:24.217\n這個相當危險性其實他的退休的一個照顧跟他的退休的福利其實也就是對他整個生涯過程當中我們提供一個應該有的一個回饋\n\n04:25.177 --> 04:54.797\n同時也是構成因為任何人在選擇職外過程當中他看的也不只是在職的待遇嗎我想請我們警政署長沒錯吧也包括退休的嗎對沒錯對所以某種程度今天在職跟退休當然都要照顧但是今天的退休今天的退休對不對就是昨天的在職啊對不對今天的在職就是明天的退休他其實嚴格來講都要照顧但是他其實是一體性的我不知道署長你認不認同這件事情\n\n04:56.080 --> 05:02.156\n認同對嘛好所以此在這邊哈我要特別講我就問一下我們署長你知道哈這個\n\n05:03.919 --> 05:30.616\n我們有這邊有一句話好一段話警察工作非常辛苦日夜顛倒執勤時長期處在精神緊繃狀態那過去我們在警察照顧上做的不夠完整受限財政的情況不同有不同的制度跟福利這樣情況應該要改善國家要投入更多的資源來支持遠景身心的醫療照顧所以今天內政部在這裡我們請你負責這件事跟部會討論協調\n\n05:31.997 --> 06:00.736\n提出照顧員警身心健康的完整計畫。」你知道這段話誰說的嗎?這段話誰說的?非常體恤我們警察同仁的。應該是我們的政府說的嘛。對,那蔡英文總統說的。對。所以換言之很明顯的我們蔡總統也知道今天站在第一線的我們的警消,我們的一些有危險勤務工作的一些同仁,他們其實負擔了很大很大的一些工作上的負擔。\n\n06:01.536 --> 06:27.104\n那最近尤其大家可以看到說有些人就講說我們對於這些我們的危險勤務的政府的一些前線的人員常常今天只要出了事情大家就開始去這個就表示哀悼然後要去檢討可是常常今天攻擊明天忘記這種現象就是只是在今天出事的時候然後去想到說今天不管警察消防人員\n\n06:27.924 --> 06:52.564\n但是真的到我們需要幫助的時候你就發現這些力量是不在的所以今天為什麼我們要提出這樣的一個改革的一個提案就是要讓我們今天包括我們的有危險情務的警察消防人員海巡或是空勤總隊或是移民署的同仁今天得到一個合理的待遇跟照顧最後我想請教一下我們的那個全序部來全序部\n\n06:55.165 --> 07:22.679\n我看到你們的報告第9頁你就說如果說今天以警消人員來說按照我們今天的這個方案10年要增加20億元嘛對不對如果是警消的部分第9頁啊你們的報告寫的啊我們報告我們後來有補充一個資料給大家就是從第10年到第19年每年每年會增加這個\n\n07:24.895 --> 07:31.958\n二）委員萬美玲等19人擬具«警察人員人事條例第三十五條條文修正草案》案。\n\n07:54.039 --> 07:54.679\n二）委員蔡英文等19人擬具\n\n08:22.915 --> 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