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00:02:42,924\n那針對台鐵的這個部分阿都會董事長在擔任台鐵局長以及擔任台鐵公司董事長之後阿有積極的要推動相關的改善的措施但是這個改善的措施目前還看不出來杜董事長還有部長\n\n9\n00:02:44,322 --> 00:03:06,451\n買新車剛才部長有提到EMU900型520輛都已經到了那EMU3000型總共是600輛也來了564輛到8月底通通會到來杜董事長說明一下我們EMU900型現在已經全部都上線了你愛行車買行車那這個新車總共是將近970億左右\n\n10\n00:03:13,345 --> 00:03:42,446\n有新車相關的安全計畫交通委員會不分朝野的立委都全力的支持不管是過去的六年行車安全改善計畫或者是電路智慧化的提升計畫或是小半徑彎曲的改善計畫還有軌道結構安全的改善計畫這個經費也將近一千億八百億左右大概八百億左右也都全力的支持那目前這些計畫的進度是如何呢來杜董事長\n\n11\n00:03:43,850 --> 00:04:01,383\n跟委員報告剛剛講的這一些計畫我們其實在台鐵局階段我們都有按照時程在進行剛剛委員提到這個的確我們跟日本相比還有很多改善的空間這個我們在公司階段我們會持續來做加強\n\n12\n00:04:02,764 --> 00:04:27,040\n杜董事長我現在是具體的來提出要求這是民眾在看的認為說政府還有交通委員會部分草原的立委都在支持你們不管是新車或是相關的安全改善計畫花很多錢啦都轉給你們支持那為什麼這些相關的事故死亡人數受傷人數沒有辦法降下來呢要提出具體的說明啦\n\n13\n00:04:28,122 --> 00:04:42,935\n各位委員報告其實這是有比較綜合性的因素那我們現在在做的就是把以前我們台鐵比較欠缺的我們的安全體系把它已經建立了董事長因為時間的關係\n\n14\n00:04:44,716 --> 00:04:58,719\n你現在臺鐵剛改制為臺鐵公司部長我們就給臺鐵公司杜董事長一年的時間來觀察我們整年的相關的件數死亡人數受傷人數都必須要具體的下降\n\n15\n00:05:00,550 --> 00:05:14,938\n部長說明一下你對台鐵相關的安全要如何具體的督促?安全的部分我想台鐵的安全因素是大家都非常的關注那大概可以分三個方向一個是車一個是路一個是人\n\n16\n00:05:15,518 --> 00:05:32,686\n那車的部分我們現在已經在委員的支持之下更新了他的車輛那我想對車輛的性能的安全性會有提升那路的部分就是包括邊坡等等還有路口有些平交道路口因為台北現在還有400多處的這個平交道\n\n17\n00:05:33,186 --> 00:05:34,006\n那高鐵公司姜董事長\n\n18\n00:06:01,981 --> 00:06:22,536\n臺灣的高鐵大概是350公里每天搭乘的人數大概有20萬左右其實我們看到高鐵相關的事故其實也有逐年上升的趨勢這個要特別注意我們2021年的事故有16件2022年27件2023年已經達到36件2014年1月到4月現在已經有8件\n\n19\n00:06:29,981 --> 00:06:56,136\n這個必須啊這個速度這麼快的高鐵相關的事故是不容發生來董事長說明一下的確是這樣沒有錯那我想屬於可規則台灣高鐵公司的事件的確今年是1到5月總共事件那兩件呢是屬於保安系統就是倒岔的操作這兩天不是又一件嗎\n\n20\n00:06:57,369 --> 00:06:59,905\n那另外有兩件是人為疏失\n\n21\n00:07:02,336 --> 00:07:16,342\n這個都要具體的改善那當然好那陳文貴局長還有部長我現在要來講另外一個議題偽造車牌的問題當然偽造車牌現在很嚴重2022年有查到519件2023年924件今年一到五月已經837件我看今年可能就會突破2000件\n\n22\n00:07:27,807 --> 00:07:27,887\n委員會主席\n\n23\n00:07:49,113 --> 00:07:49,313\n李昆澤\n\n24\n00:08:10,362 --> 00:08:36,358\n有相關的兩條法令在查起就是道路交通管理處罰條例第12條編造車牌處滑環3600以上10800元或者是禁止行駛那還有刑法第212條這種偽造特種文書罪是一年以下有期徒刑拘獄或者是9000元以下的罰金但是執法很困難對不對陳局長因為\n\n25\n00:08:39,246 --> 00:08:59,651\n你從哪一點去查緝的話,他會說這是人家要收藏車牌啊你很難去查緝,來說明一下是,各位報告,我們目前大概就是說從這個警察機關跟監理機關就是說因為道路上面有一些的就是說像剛委員所提到高速公路它ETC裡面就是說如果說因為要繳費\n\n26\n00:09:00,811 --> 00:09:24,069\n所以在同一個這很短的時間裡面就是說同樣的車牌號碼在不同的地方出現的話其實確實像高速公路局就會把這個資訊給我們我們在這個最近一年確實高速公路局移過來有830件那這個部分的話其實屬於這個衛照變照的第一個處罰條例這邊就是註銷然後再來的話就是有些需要移送檢察機關去查緝的也會去處理\n\n27\n00:09:25,710 --> 00:09:44,241\n在目前我們交通部局公路局的態度都非常消極都跟消費者跟我們的駕駛人說你的車牌被偽造你趕快去換車牌就這麼消極的態度說民眾苦不堪言我們來看我們因為時間的關係我具體的建議第一個我們能不能增加車牌的偽造難度\n\n28\n00:09:49,589 --> 00:10:15,769\n我們跟警政系統要建立聯防的機制這個局長部長我們來跟這個警政署來相關的這樣的一個聯繫對話我們要研議去使用變造車牌的駕駛人在監理機關內部來進行註記就是說在一定期限內出現再犯者必須要加重他的相關的罰則這個公路局跟交通部要來研議\n\n29\n00:10:17,171 --> 00:10:18,091\n部長說明一下\n\n30\n00:10:36,420 --> 00:10:43,565\n我想確實委員剛剛提到的增加這個防偽的這個這個等級那這個我們請公務局來來做研議那另外怎麼樣讓有偽造有連續偽造的紀錄的人那麼他加重他的這個罰則這個我們也來處理局長時間的關係你們能不能在一個月內提出相關的改善辦法\n\n31\n00:10:59,377 --> 00:11:00,078\n提出具體的改善措施\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6251\t26483\t謝謝徐副委主席 請一下李部長還有台鐵公司 董事長有請部長跟杜董事長以及公路局 陳文睿局長 高鐵公司 蔣睿忠董事長好 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受傷的人數有33人\n146482\t162924\t那針對台鐵的這個部分阿都會董事長在擔任台鐵局長以及擔任台鐵公司董事長之後阿有積極的要推動相關的改善的措施但是這個改善的措施目前還看不出來杜董事長還有部長\n164322\t186451\t買新車剛才部長有提到EMU900型520輛都已經到了那EMU3000型總共是600輛也來了564輛到8月底通通會到來杜董事長說明一下我們EMU900型現在已經全部都上線了你愛行車買行車那這個新車總共是將近970億左右\n193345\t222446\t有新車相關的安全計畫交通委員會不分朝野的立委都全力的支持不管是過去的六年行車安全改善計畫或者是電路智慧化的提升計畫或是小半徑彎曲的改善計畫還有軌道結構安全的改善計畫這個經費也將近一千億八百億左右大概八百億左右也都全力的支持那目前這些計畫的進度是如何呢來杜董事長\n223850\t241383\t跟委員報告剛剛講的這一些計畫我們其實在台鐵局階段我們都有按照時程在進行剛剛委員提到這個的確我們跟日本相比還有很多改善的空間這個我們在公司階段我們會持續來做加強\n242764\t267040\t杜董事長我現在是具體的來提出要求這是民眾在看的認為說政府還有交通委員會部分草原的立委都在支持你們不管是新車或是相關的安全改善計畫花很多錢啦都轉給你們支持那為什麼這些相關的事故死亡人數受傷人數沒有辦法降下來呢要提出具體的說明啦\n268122\t282935\t各位委員報告其實這是有比較綜合性的因素那我們現在在做的就是把以前我們台鐵比較欠缺的我們的安全體系把它已經建立了董事長因為時間的關係\n284716\t298719\t你現在臺鐵剛改制為臺鐵公司部長我們就給臺鐵公司杜董事長一年的時間來觀察我們整年的相關的件數死亡人數受傷人數都必須要具體的下降\n300550\t314938\t部長說明一下你對台鐵相關的安全要如何具體的督促?安全的部分我想台鐵的安全因素是大家都非常的關注那大概可以分三個方向一個是車一個是路一個是人\n315518\t332686\t那車的部分我們現在已經在委員的支持之下更新了他的車輛那我想對車輛的性能的安全性會有提升那路的部分就是包括邊坡等等還有路口有些平交道路口因為台北現在還有400多處的這個平交道\n333186\t334006\t那高鐵公司姜董事長\n361981\t382536\t臺灣的高鐵大概是350公里每天搭乘的人數大概有20萬左右其實我們看到高鐵相關的事故其實也有逐年上升的趨勢這個要特別注意我們2021年的事故有16件2022年27件2023年已經達到36件2014年1月到4月現在已經有8件\n389981\t416136\t這個必須啊這個速度這麼快的高鐵相關的事故是不容發生來董事長說明一下的確是這樣沒有錯那我想屬於可規則台灣高鐵公司的事件的確今年是1到5月總共事件那兩件呢是屬於保安系統就是倒岔的操作這兩天不是又一件嗎\n417369\t419905\t那另外有兩件是人為疏失\n422336\t436342\t這個都要具體的改善那當然好那陳文貴局長還有部長我現在要來講另外一個議題偽造車牌的問題當然偽造車牌現在很嚴重2022年有查到519件2023年924件今年一到五月已經837件我看今年可能就會突破2000件\n447807\t447887\t委員會主席\n469113\t469313\t李昆澤\n490362\t516358\t有相關的兩條法令在查起就是道路交通管理處罰條例第12條編造車牌處滑環3600以上10800元或者是禁止行駛那還有刑法第212條這種偽造特種文書罪是一年以下有期徒刑拘獄或者是9000元以下的罰金但是執法很困難對不對陳局長因為\n519246\t539651\t你從哪一點去查緝的話,他會說這是人家要收藏車牌啊你很難去查緝,來說明一下是,各位報告,我們目前大概就是說從這個警察機關跟監理機關就是說因為道路上面有一些的就是說像剛委員所提到高速公路它ETC裡面就是說如果說因為要繳費\n540811\t564069\t所以在同一個這很短的時間裡面就是說同樣的車牌號碼在不同的地方出現的話其實確實像高速公路局就會把這個資訊給我們我們在這個最近一年確實高速公路局移過來有830件那這個部分的話其實屬於這個衛照變照的第一個處罰條例這邊就是註銷然後再來的話就是有些需要移送檢察機關去查緝的也會去處理\n565710\t584241\t在目前我們交通部局公路局的態度都非常消極都跟消費者跟我們的駕駛人說你的車牌被偽造你趕快去換車牌就這麼消極的態度說民眾苦不堪言我們來看我們因為時間的關係我具體的建議第一個我們能不能增加車牌的偽造難度\n589589\t615769\t我們跟警政系統要建立聯防的機制這個局長部長我們來跟這個警政署來相關的這樣的一個聯繫對話我們要研議去使用變造車牌的駕駛人在監理機關內部來進行註記就是說在一定期限內出現再犯者必須要加重他的相關的罰則這個公路局跟交通部要來研議\n617171\t618091\t部長說明一下\n636420\t643565\t我想確實委員剛剛提到的增加這個防偽的這個這個等級那這個我們請公務局來來做研議那另外怎麼樣讓有偽造有連續偽造的紀錄的人那麼他加重他的這個罰則這個我們也來處理局長時間的關係你們能不能在一個月內提出相關的改善辦法\n659377\t660078\t提出具體的改善措施\n","txt":"謝謝徐副委主席 請一下李部長還有台鐵公司 董事長有請部長跟杜董事長以及公路局 陳文睿局長 高鐵公司 蔣睿忠董事長好 麻煩局長跟董事長\n部長你好部長是很認真、很普遍、也很高業的人其實我們在交通部在交通委員會你是我在交通委員會第12個交通部長那\n其實歷任的部長剛就任之初都有很多具體的政策的想法有的人想要推動綠色交通有的人想要推動智慧交通有的人想要全面的推動軌道交通等等但是不管對於交通部未來的政策方向規劃每個部長都有自己具體的一個想法但是最重要還是在於安全\n李昆澤\n日本在2023年他們的新幹線跟再來線加起來其實他們的鐵道總長是達到27311公里那每日的乘客大概1700萬人新幹線就好像我們這邊的高鐵再來線就好像我們這邊的台鐵\n那我們的台鐵軌道的總長是1065公里那每天搭乘的人數大概在60到65萬人左右那我們看到2023年日本的鐵道的事故新幹線加上在來線\n總共是558件 死亡0人 受傷15人 那台灣我們單單來看台鐵的部分 台北有777件 那死亡的人數有25人 受傷的人數有33人\n那針對台鐵的這個部分阿都會董事長在擔任台鐵局長以及擔任台鐵公司董事長之後阿有積極的要推動相關的改善的措施但是這個改善的措施目前還看不出來杜董事長還有部長\n買新車剛才部長有提到EMU900型520輛都已經到了那EMU3000型總共是600輛也來了564輛到8月底通通會到來杜董事長說明一下我們EMU900型現在已經全部都上線了你愛行車買行車那這個新車總共是將近970億左右\n有新車相關的安全計畫交通委員會不分朝野的立委都全力的支持不管是過去的六年行車安全改善計畫或者是電路智慧化的提升計畫或是小半徑彎曲的改善計畫還有軌道結構安全的改善計畫這個經費也將近一千億八百億左右大概八百億左右也都全力的支持那目前這些計畫的進度是如何呢來杜董事長\n跟委員報告剛剛講的這一些計畫我們其實在台鐵局階段我們都有按照時程在進行剛剛委員提到這個的確我們跟日本相比還有很多改善的空間這個我們在公司階段我們會持續來做加強\n杜董事長我現在是具體的來提出要求這是民眾在看的認為說政府還有交通委員會部分草原的立委都在支持你們不管是新車或是相關的安全改善計畫花很多錢啦都轉給你們支持那為什麼這些相關的事故死亡人數受傷人數沒有辦法降下來呢要提出具體的說明啦\n各位委員報告其實這是有比較綜合性的因素那我們現在在做的就是把以前我們台鐵比較欠缺的我們的安全體系把它已經建立了董事長因為時間的關係\n你現在臺鐵剛改制為臺鐵公司部長我們就給臺鐵公司杜董事長一年的時間來觀察我們整年的相關的件數死亡人數受傷人數都必須要具體的下降\n部長說明一下你對台鐵相關的安全要如何具體的督促?安全的部分我想台鐵的安全因素是大家都非常的關注那大概可以分三個方向一個是車一個是路一個是人\n那車的部分我們現在已經在委員的支持之下更新了他的車輛那我想對車輛的性能的安全性會有提升那路的部分就是包括邊坡等等還有路口有些平交道路口因為台北現在還有400多處的這個平交道\n那高鐵公司姜董事長\n臺灣的高鐵大概是350公里每天搭乘的人數大概有20萬左右其實我們看到高鐵相關的事故其實也有逐年上升的趨勢這個要特別注意我們2021年的事故有16件2022年27件2023年已經達到36件2014年1月到4月現在已經有8件\n這個必須啊這個速度這麼快的高鐵相關的事故是不容發生來董事長說明一下的確是這樣沒有錯那我想屬於可規則台灣高鐵公司的事件的確今年是1到5月總共事件那兩件呢是屬於保安系統就是倒岔的操作這兩天不是又一件嗎\n那另外有兩件是人為疏失\n這個都要具體的改善那當然好那陳文貴局長還有部長我現在要來講另外一個議題偽造車牌的問題當然偽造車牌現在很嚴重2022年有查到519件2023年924件今年一到五月已經837件我看今年可能就會突破2000件\n委員會主席\n李昆澤\n有相關的兩條法令在查起就是道路交通管理處罰條例第12條編造車牌處滑環3600以上10800元或者是禁止行駛那還有刑法第212條這種偽造特種文書罪是一年以下有期徒刑拘獄或者是9000元以下的罰金但是執法很困難對不對陳局長因為\n你從哪一點去查緝的話,他會說這是人家要收藏車牌啊你很難去查緝,來說明一下是,各位報告,我們目前大概就是說從這個警察機關跟監理機關就是說因為道路上面有一些的就是說像剛委員所提到高速公路它ETC裡面就是說如果說因為要繳費\n所以在同一個這很短的時間裡面就是說同樣的車牌號碼在不同的地方出現的話其實確實像高速公路局就會把這個資訊給我們我們在這個最近一年確實高速公路局移過來有830件那這個部分的話其實屬於這個衛照變照的第一個處罰條例這邊就是註銷然後再來的話就是有些需要移送檢察機關去查緝的也會去處理\n在目前我們交通部局公路局的態度都非常消極都跟消費者跟我們的駕駛人說你的車牌被偽造你趕快去換車牌就這麼消極的態度說民眾苦不堪言我們來看我們因為時間的關係我具體的建議第一個我們能不能增加車牌的偽造難度\n我們跟警政系統要建立聯防的機制這個局長部長我們來跟這個警政署來相關的這樣的一個聯繫對話我們要研議去使用變造車牌的駕駛人在監理機關內部來進行註記就是說在一定期限內出現再犯者必須要加重他的相關的罰則這個公路局跟交通部要來研議\n部長說明一下\n我想確實委員剛剛提到的增加這個防偽的這個這個等級那這個我們請公務局來來做研議那另外怎麼樣讓有偽造有連續偽造的紀錄的人那麼他加重他的這個罰則這個我們也來處理局長時間的關係你們能不能在一個月內提出相關的改善辦法\n提出具體的改善措施\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.251 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