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00:00:05,526\n好謝謝主席那我們先請交通部李孟諺部長請李部長\n\n2\n00:00:16,572 --> 00:00:33,004\n部長第一次來交通委員會質詢當然本席要來就教幾個問題我想從今天的書面報告跟今天口的報告裡面我想給部長先看一個全台灣的人口密度的分佈圖\n\n3\n00:00:34,385 --> 00:00:57,898\n這邊是全台灣前20大人口分布的這個行政密度最高的行政區那也看到說其實前20大裡面有3個區域目前都還沒有捷運建設剛好這3個都在台中市那我想從今天的這個口頭報告跟書面報告裡面書面報告裡面羅列了全台灣各地正在進行的這個捷運建設那其中光是這個台北都會區就佔了9條\n\n4\n00:00:58,999 --> 00:01:03,443\n臺中現在人口密度高那他要是全國第二人口第二多的城市但是在我們整個全國這個捷運建設裡面似乎落後其他城市許多部長你認同嗎\n\n5\n00:01:24,872 --> 00:01:49,338\n我想台中現在是只有一條捷運那在六都裡面確實以他的人口比例是還有進步的這個空間好部長謝謝那在看到我們台中所謂的這個大眾捷運系統整體路網有分所謂的近期中期遠期我想先請教一下部長這個近期中期遠期他是一個固定的概念還是可以隨著都市的發展來調整的概念\n\n6\n00:01:50,678 --> 00:02:16,012\n我想每個地方政府他在提報根據整個整個整體入網裡面哪一些要提報優先這個部分是可以來彈性調整可以彈性調整嗎因為你看所謂近期入網108到105所謂近期入網捷運綠線當然現在主要的完成它的延伸性還沒有做藍線也才剛過了所謂的那個綜合規劃還要再蓋10年那我們的橘線所謂機場捷運\n\n7\n00:02:17,173 --> 00:02:17,433\n李卓人議員\n\n8\n00:02:39,332 --> 00:03:08,049\n中期入網有一條這個崇德豐源線那這個崇德豐源線大家可以看到一下我們從下一頁它沿途經過了北區北屯潭子神崗豐源這個整個服務區域包含了這幾個區域包含十四季重化潭子加工區還有很多學校那還有很多重要的這個觀光遊憩區域配合台中市的都市計畫包含我們的朱立棒球場包含我們的崇德義中商圈還有未來的巨蛋還有很多新的百貨公司等等的所以其實這個崇德豐源線\n\n9\n00:03:08,989 --> 00:03:35,748\n臺中市的人口如果這幾年快速成長如果我們可以從人口結構上看到主要就是在這個崇德豐原線上他的人口在快速成長所以我想要問的是說這個本來崇德豐原線是被列為這個中期路網那部長你有沒有機會支持讓崇德豐原線提早一點因為像比如說我們的所謂的近期路網藍線當年的可行性規劃跟這綠線的可行性規劃可能就光是前面的文書作業就走了10年了\n\n10\n00:03:36,828 --> 00:03:59,421\n崇德豐源縣如果我要按照就算按照本來的期程要120年開始做的話是不是有機會能把它提前一點點崇德豐源縣我想就整體的入網裡面有哪一些遠期入網要提早那通常我們這個是由地方政府就是市政府這邊來發動那我想細節我是不是請局長跟您\n\n11\n00:04:01,072 --> 00:04:17,253\n跟委員報告我想這個案子我們委員還有這個副院長也非常關切那現在因為他是列在中期入網那我覺得這個程序可以並行也就是說同步來調整我們的入網計畫跟啟動這樣的一個案子的可行性研究\n\n12\n00:04:18,211 --> 00:04:41,643\n所以這個部內會支持我們把這個崇德峰先提早一點開始做相關的文書作業提早開始做吧是的好謝謝部長也謝謝我們局長好那接下來換這個談論一個民生議題我想都會區的民眾非常的在意一件事情就是我們這個噪音車但在這個噪音車在現行的道路交通管理處罰條例裡面\n\n13\n00:04:43,137 --> 00:04:57,989\n在這個112年也曾經修法把它提高過在43條的第5項裡面提到說拆除消音器或以其他方式造造成噪音的話可以適用這個道交處罰條例但是我想問一下部長你知道實務上這一條對於這個噪音車是不是適用嗎\n\n14\n00:05:06,624 --> 00:05:18,917\n目前我們的交通的法規是只有針對違規裝這個不合格的消音器有相關的罰則但是對於噪音的那個分貝數是在環境部這邊的處罰不過細節我請我們司長跟您報告\n\n15\n00:05:25,518 --> 00:05:43,096\n這個部分跟委員報告一下就是針對43條的部分基本上是以危險駕駛為前提那當時在立這個拆除效應器或以其他方式造成噪音那基本上是當時這個飆車那有拆除這個效應器或是當時飆車有用那個鐵鍊然後在地上抹\n\n16\n00:05:43,796 --> 00:06:03,692\n當時是這樣的立法這個原意那後來就是說都市噪音比較那個的那噪音超過噪音標準那個部分是回歸到這個噪音管制法這邊相關的規定那這個課題其實也有跟這個環境部跟警政署那邊做過這個討論那在執法的這個觀點而言的話警署那邊是認為說這個東西還是要以危險價值行為為前提\n\n17\n00:06:06,034 --> 00:06:19,190\n市長謝謝其實我知道你們在105年交通部在105年有一個韓式但是這個韓式我看完之後我覺得這個等於這個韓式看完之後我覺得這個原條文它等於形同句文因為這個\n\n18\n00:06:21,189 --> 00:06:21,289\n李孟諺\n\n19\n00:06:40,162 --> 00:06:54,810\n這條文對我來講或對很多民眾來講他等於沒有辦法適用在現在有很多人是為了拆除消音器或製造噪音因為在深夜在這種都會區來飆宿的時候他的噪音是不是這條現在是無法處理的我想確認這件事情\n\n20\n00:06:59,368 --> 00:07:11,424\n如果說單純他只要有拆除消音器的話就有這條的一個適用那如果說之前大家這個在討論的時候欸噪音超過比如說100分貝是不是拆除會適用那改裝可以使用嗎\n\n21\n00:07:13,647 --> 00:07:39,069\n改裝製造噪音改裝的部分的話就會回到這個處罰條例這個第16條的部分增減這些相關這個排氣管的部分所以這一次環保署實施那個機車排氣管單品認證那以後如果說要換裝排氣管就要使用環保署這個認證合格的產品那如果說不符合他那個部分的話就會依照16條來做處理就是這個擅自增減這個不合格的這個排氣管\n\n22\n00:07:39,309 --> 00:07:39,389\n主席\n\n23\n00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:50,820\n市長謝謝部長謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1961\t5526\t好謝謝主席那我們先請交通部李孟諺部長請李部長\n16572\t33004\t部長第一次來交通委員會質詢當然本席要來就教幾個問題我想從今天的書面報告跟今天口的報告裡面我想給部長先看一個全台灣的人口密度的分佈圖\n34385\t57898\t這邊是全台灣前20大人口分布的這個行政 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密度最高的行政區那也看到說其實前20大裡面有3個區域目前都還沒有捷運建設剛好這3個都在台中市那我想從今天的這個口頭報告跟書面報告裡面書面報告裡面羅列了全台灣各地正在進行的這個捷運建設那其中光是這個台北都會區就佔了9條\n臺中現在人口密度高那他要是全國第二人口第二多的城市但是在我們整個全國這個捷運建設裡面似乎落後其他城市許多部長你認同嗎\n我想台中現在是只有一條捷運那在六都裡面確實以他的人口比例是還有進步的這個空間好部長謝謝那在看到我們台中所謂的這個大眾捷運系統整體路網有分所謂的近期中期遠期我想先請教一下部長這個近期中期遠期他是一個固定的概念還是可以隨著都市的發展來調整的概念\n我想每個地方政府他在提報根據整個整個整體入網裡面哪一些要提報優先這個部分是可以來彈性調整可以彈性調整嗎因為你看所謂近期入網108到105所謂近期入網捷運綠線當然現在主要的完成它的延伸性還沒有做藍線也才剛過了所謂的那個綜合規劃還要再蓋10年那我們的橘線所謂機場捷運\n李卓人議員\n中期入網有一條這個崇德豐源線那這個崇德豐源線大家可以看到一下我們從下一頁它沿途經過了北區北屯潭子神崗豐源這個整個服務區域包含了這幾個區域包含十四季重化潭子加工區還有很多學校那還有很多重要的這個觀光遊憩區域配合台中市的都市計畫包含我們的朱立棒球場包含我們的崇德義中商圈還有未來的巨蛋還有很多新的百貨公司等等的所以其實這個崇德豐源線\n臺中市的人口如果這幾年快速成長如果我們可以從人口結構上看到主要就是在這個崇德豐原線上他的人口在快速成長所以我想要問的是說這個本來崇德豐原線是被列為這個中期路網那部長你有沒有機會支持讓崇德豐原線提早一點因為像比如說我們的所謂的近期路網藍線當年的可行性規劃跟這綠線的可行性規劃可能就光是前面的文書作業就走了10年了\n崇德豐源縣如果我要按照就算按照本來的期程要120年開始做的話是不是有機會能把它提前一點點崇德豐源縣我想就整體的入網裡面有哪一些遠期入網要提早那通常我們這個是由地方政府就是市政府這邊來發動那我想細節我是不是請局長跟您\n跟委員報告我想這個案子我們委員還有這個副院長也非常關切那現在因為他是列在中期入網那我覺得這個程序可以並行也就是說同步來調整我們的入網計畫跟啟動這樣的一個案子的可行性研究\n所以這個部內會支持我們把這個崇德峰先提早一點開始做相關的文書作業提早開始做吧是的好謝謝部長也謝謝我們局長好那接下來換這個談論一個民生議題我想都會區的民眾非常的在意一件事情就是我們這個噪音車但在這個噪音車在現行的道路交通管理處罰條例裡面\n在這個112年也曾經修法把它提高過在43條的第5項裡面提到說拆除消音器或以其他方式造造成噪音的話可以適用這個道交處罰條例但是我想問一下部長你知道實務上這一條對於這個噪音車是不是適用嗎\n目前我們的交通的法規是只有針對違規裝這個不合格的消音器有相關的罰則但是對於噪音的那個分貝數是在環境部這邊的處罰不過細節我請我們司長跟您報告\n這個部分跟委員報告一下就是針對43條的部分基本上是以危險駕駛為前提那當時在立這個拆除效應器或以其他方式造成噪音那基本上是當時這個飆車那有拆除這個效應器或是當時飆車有用那個鐵鍊然後在地上抹\n當時是這樣的立法這個原意那後來就是說都市噪音比較那個的那噪音超過噪音標準那個部分是回歸到這個噪音管制法這邊相關的規定那這個課題其實也有跟這個環境部跟警政署那邊做過這個討論那在執法的這個觀點而言的話警署那邊是認為說這個東西還是要以危險價值行為為前提\n市長謝謝其實我知道你們在105年交通部在105年有一個韓式但是這個韓式我看完之後我覺得這個等於這個韓式看完之後我覺得這個原條文它等於形同句文因為這個\n李孟諺\n這條文對我來講或對很多民眾來講他等於沒有辦法適用在現在有很多人是為了拆除消音器或製造噪音因為在深夜在這種都會區來飆宿的時候他的噪音是不是這條現在是無法處理的我想確認這件事情\n如果說單純他只要有拆除消音器的話就有這條的一個適用那如果說之前大家這個在討論的時候欸噪音超過比如說100分貝是不是拆除會適用那改裝可以使用嗎\n改裝製造噪音改裝的部分的話就會回到這個處罰條例這個第16條的部分增減這些相關這個排氣管的部分所以這一次環保署實施那個機車排氣管單品認證那以後如果說要換裝排氣管就要使用環保署這個認證合格的產品那如果說不符合他那個部分的話就會依照16條來做處理就是這個擅自增減這個不合格的這個排氣管\n主席\n市長謝謝 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