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00:02:29,293\n藍縣、橘縣、臺中屯區的捷運有些細節的部分我請局長跟您報告細節的部分我是希望說是我們第一個中央全力支持這個是不變堅定的態度第二個我們期許\n\n8\n00:02:30,254 --> 00:02:55,337\n臺中市政府地方政府他該積極有效率的補正意見或者是在這個整個這個中央專家學者給予的意見該修正的時候他也要快他也要有效率但是接著如果地方政府快又有效率了之後他要行文或者是把計畫送到我們中央交通部的時候我也希望中央交通部也要快有效率可以嗎\n\n9\n00:02:56,155 --> 00:03:11,196\n是我想我們這個部分會來加速的進行已經送來的都會儘速的再布也會報到院來開相關的會議因為現在台中市只有一條綠線其實這個捷運路網是不夠的只有一條線也不叫做路網啦\n\n10\n00:03:11,917 --> 00:03:34,116\n所以他的營運他的營運現在是很淒慘的啦那我們也不能因為他營運的不好而而而忽視他我們更應該去檢討為什麼因為呢就是只有一條不夠我們希望有兩條三條真的成為一個路網他才可以達到真正的一個營運的一個效益嘛那也才能夠造福\n\n11\n00:03:35,057 --> 00:03:44,706\n我說這我的選區超過40萬人口是大台中裡面也是相對人口非常稠密的地區我們到現在還在等\n\n12\n00:03:45,950 --> 00:03:47,952\n臺中以這樣的人口是確實是有這樣的我們會來支持\n\n13\n00:04:10,214 --> 00:04:27,012\n需要第二條第三條我們需要是一個捷運的路網就算等10年15年我們還是希望能夠盡快好不好這個效率很重要接著我就要問最近最近很夯的議題部長UberEats跟Foodpanda合併跟你有沒有關係\n\n14\n00:04:29,124 --> 00:04:55,582\n這個部分就是其中因為他有部分是雖然是外送是一種電商但是他又以貨運又是以貨運的運輸所以後段的部分是政治這個議題這個他本來叫做兩家合併為一家就有這個獨佔跟寡佔甚至有壟斷之嫌疑大家都把焦點聚集在公平會事實上交通部有很大很大的一個管理的機制\n\n15\n00:04:56,363 --> 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交通部管來我再告訴你下一頁我們現在外送平臺送餐有兩件事第一件事\n313050\t338871\t送餐現在都用機車所以他們現在為了符合形式上法規的要求所以他登記在汽車運輸業或運業裡面雖然我說真的我問了一般人大家都覺得很納悶很難理解但是呢交通部就是主管機關對不對部長這你承認你剛剛自己知道嘛對不對就是前面的電商是有電商的主管機關但是後面他又同時他又同時以後運\n341713\t362915\t汽車運輸、汽車貨運業對不對好接著大家就要講那這個外送平台第一個消費者的權益外送員的權益小店家的抽成停權申訴機制外送費用結構有沒有透明化這個都是這一次合併之後大家所關心的那跟交通部有沒有關係有今天要告訴你\n365412\t393339\t大眾關心的一般消費者關心的外送費服務費什麼叫做平台費這些什麼費你知道他公不公開透不透明部長你知道嗎現在確實是不是很透明的一個狀況不是很透明那交通部要介入為什麼要介入來汽車貨運業的運價依規定這是你們自己的法規公路法規定的\n394159\t409168\t非經核准不得調整非經公告不得實施那我問你啊如果以這兩家的外送平台他都登記在汽車貨運業裡面他們現在所有的費率所有的運費有沒有送交通部\n411516\t437578\t跟這個委員報告一下確實這個按照這個公路法的規定那基本上就是說現行這個婚姻三頁相關的這個運價市長你告訴我們外送平台是不是適合適用這個公路法的規定嗎先行他這個就是裡面這個外送的運價的話是要適用這樣子的一個這個規定是要適用喔對對阿有沒有送到現在為止有沒有送\n438578\t442241\t交通部、勞動部還有公平會這個三個部會裡面就這件事情都有他的角色跟責任那你剛剛說的外送平台的這個貨運的部分適用公路法\n467239\t471742\t外送平台他的外送費上架費服務費等等的費率的計算到底從何而來\n497479\t520850\t到目前為止不公開不透明這影響到誰外送員的權益這影響到誰消費者的權益對不對市長同不同意同意所以現在我們跟勞動部針對裡面的運價就是要讓他這個公開透明那相關這個費率公司的部分我們會來跟勞動部最後我就具體要求部長跟市長\n521730\t522230\t何欣純委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席李昆澤召委我們請部長請部長\n部長好 委員好加油 先跟你加油知道很肯定你 很認真但是呢 部長我知道你是台中一中畢業所以你也是半個台中人所以我剛剛很仔細的在聽你的這個口頭的簡報報告這個業務這個台中啊 你琢磨很少我第一頁就要拜託你\n台中市的交通建設要拜託你全力支持可以嗎這一份細項我會再送給你親自送給你好不好接著因為今天時間很短說要加快速度這個我們賴清德總統承諾這個終結了藍線過關之後一定會全力的支持那中央呢這邊呢既然已經合定了也決定要做了那拜託效率好一點好不好\n因為你剛剛在你的業務報告裡面你講了都會區的捷運路網你都要支持但是獨獨沒提到台中這個我覺得我剛剛聽到我也覺得希望部長請把台中記在心裡這個台中的捷運路網大家都很期待當然地方政府有\n該他應該積極有效率的一面但是呢我們中央也要積極有效率的督促跟來做審議好不好因為接下來我看到捷運的藍線核定之後再來還有局線局線呢已經呢地方政府修正了之後呢又送到我們部裡面今年4月10號那是不是可以盡快的來審議然後另外一條叫做屯區的捷運就子縣子縣呢\n臺中市政府也已經報到部裡面也要召開這個初審會議了這兩個會議可不可以儘速來召開我先跟委員報告就是因為我剛剛在口頭報告裡面講的都是有開工或者是完工通車的部分就是沒有臺中的捷運所以才要大家希望交通部中央全力支持\n藍縣、橘縣、臺中屯區的捷運有些細節的部分我請局長跟您報告細節的部分我是希望說是我們第一個中央全力支持這個是不變堅定的態度第二個我們期許\n臺中市政府地方政府他該積極有效率的補正意見或者是在這個整個這個中央專家學者給予的意見該修正的時候他也要快他也要有效率但是接著如果地方政府快又有效率了之後他要行文或者是把計畫送到我們中央交通部的時候我也希望中央交通部也要快有效率可以嗎\n是我想我們這個部分會來加速的進行已經送來的都會儘速的再布也會報到院來開相關的會議因為現在台中市只有一條綠線其實這個捷運路網是不夠的只有一條線也不叫做路網啦\n所以他的營運他的營運現在是很淒慘的啦那我們也不能因為他營運的不好而而而忽視他我們更應該去檢討為什麼因為呢就是只有一條不夠我們希望有兩條三條真的成為一個路網他才可以達到真正的一個營運的一個效益嘛那也才能夠造福\n我說這我的選區超過40萬人口是大台中裡面也是相對人口非常稠密的地區我們到現在還在等\n臺中以這樣的人口是確實是有這樣的我們會來支持\n需要第二條第三條我們需要是一個捷運的路網就算等10年15年我們還是希望能夠盡快好不好這個效率很重要接著我就要問最近最近很夯的議題部長Uber Eats跟Foodpanda合併跟你有沒有關係\n這個部分就是其中因為他有部分是雖然是外送是一種電商但是他又以貨運又是以貨運的運輸所以後段的部分是政治這個議題這個他本來叫做兩家合併為一家就有這個獨佔跟寡佔甚至有壟斷之嫌疑大家都把焦點聚集在公平會事實上交通部有很大很大的一個管理的機制\n因為外送平臺就像部長你講的你了解了他事實上登記叫什麼 汽車貨運業汽車貨運業誰管 交通部管來我再告訴你下一頁我們現在外送平臺送餐有兩件事第一件事\n送餐現在都用機車所以他們現在為了符合形式上法規的要求所以他登記在汽車運輸業或運業裡面雖然我說真的我問了一般人大家都覺得很納悶很難理解但是呢交通部就是主管機關對不對部長這你承認你剛剛自己知道嘛對不對就是前面的電商是有電商的主管機關但是後面他又同時他又同時以後運\n汽車運輸、汽車貨運業對不對好接著大家就要講那這個外送平台第一個消費者的權益外送員的權益小店家的抽成停權申訴機制外送費用結構有沒有透明化這個都是這一次合併之後大家所關心的那跟交通部有沒有關係有今天要告訴你\n大眾關心的一般消費者關心的外送費服務費什麼叫做平台費這些什麼費你知道他公不公開透不透明部長你知道嗎現在確實是不是很透明的一個狀況不是很透明那交通部要介入為什麼要介入來汽車貨運業的運價依規定這是你們自己的法規公路法規定的\n非經核准不得調整非經公告不得實施那我問你啊如果以這兩家的外送平台他都登記在汽車貨運業裡面他們現在所有的費率所有的運費有沒有送交通部\n跟這個委員報告一下確實這個按照這個公路法的規定那基本上就是說現行這個婚姻三頁相關的這個運價市長你告訴我們外送平台是不是適合適用這個公路法的規定嗎先行他這個就是裡面這個外送的運價的話是要適用這樣子的一個這個規定是要適用喔對對阿有沒有送到現在為止有沒有送\n交通部、勞動部還有公平會這個三個部會裡面就這件事情都有他的角色跟責任那你剛剛說的外送平台的這個貨運的部分適用公路法\n外送平台他的外送費上架費服務費等等的費率的計算到底從何而來\n到目前為止不公開不透明這影響到誰外送員的權益這影響到誰消費者的權益對不對市長同不同意同意所以現在我們跟勞動部針對裡面的運價就是要讓他這個公開透明那相關這個費率公司的部分我們會來跟勞動部最後我就具體要求部長跟市長\n何欣純委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.194 --> 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