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00:02:40,155\n我們不分政黨都同意希望趕快進法補償能夠來爭取不在你的預算之內來編列應該在三兆以上來爭取原住民的進法補償是直接的對原住民的照顧\n\n8\n00:02:41,616 --> 00:02:50,420\n那怎麼會一直想不出來你一直在裡面打擾打擾說我這進法補償是不是在你的編列預算裡面來編列這個26億不對主席數\n\n9\n00:02:55,038 --> 00:03:19,704\n你不要被主席所引導你的思維你今天要替原住民爭取說既然三讀通過就是要為我們的預算要增加不是在你的預算裡面來編列出來所以這個概念難道沒有嗎?如果你在今天你是剛上任為禁法補償全國裡面的這些6萬塊你是得勝一個\n\n10\n00:03:23,845 --> 00:03:24,546\n你現在就是要為我們三讀通過的這個議題裡面\n\n11\n00:03:42,657 --> 00:03:59,887\n要為原住民的預算要爭取這就是你的責任不是到後來是提皮球說因為怎麼樣怎麼樣你要跟業務會要雙向溝通我們為什麼會提高這個\n\n12\n00:04:00,908 --> 00:04:27,347\n我們訪官現在百工百業百工百業你看一下我們百工百業甚至原住民現在的經濟經濟能力下滑都沒有辦法提升農業農業的這個部分沒有辦法出去光光沒有辦法來循環的經濟造成他們現在的生活處境煤礦業下情何以堪\n\n13\n00:04:29,655 --> 00:04:55,174\n總統蔡英文承認蔡英文曾經對我們全國原住民道歉的目的在哪裡就是懷疑歷史、懷疑真相就是要實質要照顧原住民的基礎的一個建設包含他的生活、包含他的歷史還有他的生存的定義、土地的保障今天我們要講的是原住民富裕給我們的原住民保留地要怎麼釋放\n\n14\n00:04:56,118 --> 00:04:57,279\n第二、我們未來的原住民空間不是縮小第二、我們\n\n15\n00:05:09,508 --> 00:05:37,403\n沒有反對平埔署回歸原住民的歷史我們沒有反對我們在民國11年的時候我已經在我們在新北市市議會裡面有召開全國的民意代表的原住民民意代表包含頭目齊老的會議針對我們平埔署的回歸的態度表達了我們很多的一些方針\n\n16\n00:05:38,783 --> 00:05:53,811\n但是這涉入到我們16屬的未來的生存包含參政前包含教育土地的立場那你們為什麼不循著不循著什麼\n\n17\n00:05:55,543 --> 00:06:23,236\n客家委員會為以前在客家委員會沒有的時候那為什麼他們要爭取客家委員會也因為他們要受到他們的文化的尊重他們延續他們的民族的延續的歷史那今天評普組回來我們沒有反對但是你們為什麼不循著跟客家委員會的這樣的一個政策來做\n\n18\n00:06:25,550 --> 00:06:54,073\n來做獨立性的然後再來看看他們的預算怎麼編列以按照他現在的人口數來做編列而不是在毀搖到我們16組平定人和山定人的16組請問我們最早的祖先曾經在這個台灣上被罵什麼西華納是誰講的不是我們原住民講的西華納西華納是一個是非常啟示對原住民的不尊重這誰講的\n\n19\n00:06:57,947 --> 00:07:17,719\n這些祖先過去遭受這樣的民族的不同的文化被抨擊、被啟示、被趕到山上請問現在平埔鼠要回來了那為什麼不跟過去你們跟我們的祖先並在一起接受歷史的考驗\n\n20\n00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:37,031\n到現在你要去思考這個思維原住民在這個地方我們沒有個人家要做競爭我們希望給我們的是一個保障對我們的歷史跟我們現在的土地要有一個真正的還原歷史\n\n21\n00:07:38,132 --> 00:07:54,548\n所以我們常講說原住民的保留地為什麼要放寬使用你要讓他有自主經濟能力、行款能力然後讓他們自主自給但是有關於我們水銀地、山坡地之外\n\n22\n00:07:55,589 --> 00:08:13,438\n他復育在延期法裡面復育的原保地應該給他們一個放寬的使用也讓他們有循環的經濟也讓他們跟銀行作為值貸借貸然後去建設他的自己的這些產業\n\n23\n00:08:15,019 --> 00:08:36,140\n這樣才是實質的可以照顧到原住民的本身的基本生活的條件這就是你的責任我未來我一定會再問你基本的延期法、土海法這一些土地的放寬使用未來我一定會慢慢的質詢你以上好,非常謝謝華人委員的質詢也謝謝曾助委,謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n69\t24007\t我們繼續請黃仁委員來質詢有請曾主委有請曾主委麻煩你 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