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00:00:27,406\n首先我想要請教一下因為我們今天要談論這個都市地區的原住民族的處境那我想問一下就是說如果我們在還沒有立專法之前現在的都市地區的原住民族的發展方案裡面我有看到一個非常重要的就是我們教育部其實有在都市地區的中小學開設原住民族的文化特色課程\n\n2\n00:00:28,527 --> 00:00:33,434\n那我認為這個是非常好的我看了一下去年的這個計畫是有在10個縣市然後29個學校參與對嗎?\n\n3\n00:00:38,837 --> 00:01:06,570\n就一步推了對那我想問一下我們原民會在當中的角色是什麼因為我會想問這個是因為我們高雄非常的特別我們高雄市全台灣唯一一個縣市有16族的原住民族的一個縣市那我也非常重視我看到這個課程認為說我們原民會若在當中有非常重要的角色也有在協助這樣的課程參與的話在高雄是不是也可以大力來推動呢\n\n4\n00:01:07,982 --> 00:01:14,751\n這個是教育部他是負責一般的學校是那我們原住民是負責原住民地區的這個重點學校\n\n5\n00:01:15,267 --> 00:01:42,523\n好那我在這邊想要建議啦因為我們高雄我剛也講說我們高雄真的16族都有那我們高雄市也非常積極的在把這個16族的文化也都保存起來然後也希望可以積極的發展所以也希望接下來原民會可以多多重視我們高雄的原住民族相關的與這些文化的保存那如果我們高雄的學校也有來協助的話你們也來積極的來配合好嗎\n\n6\n00:01:43,143 --> 00:02:06,678\n好,這都會區的部分會特別注意好,那再來我請教一下這個進度喔因為其實在今年的5月6號也就是一個月之前我們院長就有來我們高雄來視察這個國立國家的原住民博物館那這個國家級的博物館其實在高雄也推了10年好不容易接下來要準備要開始籌備了\n\n7\n00:02:09,019 --> 00:02:36,966\n那可是目前還看不到我們任何動工的進度然後也本來也預計說還要到2032年才有機會來完工那我當然會希望說可以提早動工提早籌備提早開始因為我知道其實前期作業已經做得非常的充足了包括可行性評估環境影響評估其實都做得差不多了接下來就是時程的問題不知道有沒有機會提前來完工呢\n\n8\n00:02:37,677 --> 00:03:00,329\n跟委員報告我們已經在5月29號就已經成立這個籌備這個專案小組而且開過兩次的專案小組的會議我們希望能夠修訂這個研博館的暫行組織規程還有這些他的這個辦事的細則我們希望很快的讓這個這個籌備小組專案小組趕快先做然後籌備書趕快先成立這樣好\n\n9\n00:03:01,970 --> 00:03:09,057\n所以籌備出現在的進度然後什麼時候可以開工啊我就先告訴我什麼時候動工就好因為我看你們新聞報導是說你們要等到明年才動工是嗎\n\n10\n00:03:16,692 --> 00:03:31,659\n這個動工或淨土是跟高雄市政府來一起的是高雄市政府來做那我們會密切跟高雄市政府希望趕快的來做這個我們的專案小組成立之後就會很快跟高雄市政府來做更進一步的一個這個讓他速度快一點\n\n11\n00:03:32,810 --> 00:03:57,200\n好真的要拜託喔因為這個我們都很期待那好再來請教一下這個原住民保留地的開發管理辦法這其實我前兩次的質詢也都有在問那因為這個其實之前我也問說目前這個法律未接過地的問題所以導致這些之前都有一些相關的爭議嗎包括說原保地的流失甚至是有一些\n\n12\n00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:26,880\n例子是說因為他不當的透過人頭然後會轉賣給非原住民這些問題其實新聞上都有出現那我想問的是我們現在有一個非常重要的希望提升他法律未接的方式就是原住民保留地的這個管理利用條例的草案那之前其實原民會也都希望說要來提升他的法律未接我不知道說其實原民會應該籌備已久才對什麼時候原本要送進來啊\n\n13\n00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:55,705\n我們現在在還需要我們是有這個版本我們還需要在跨部會讓其他部會了解一下這個這個他位階的提升會碰到什麼樣的一個問題所以有在溝通了嗎有有那我想我們希望這個會期下個會期什麼時候希望在這個年底好不好好年底之前把原住民族保留地管理利用條例送進立法院這是我們原民會的承諾\n\n14\n00:04:57,301 --> 00:05:21,212\n年底送行政院,然後我們再來送大型行政院因為還要跨部會的一些協商所以還要再半年可不可以年底送進來我們立法院這個我們交委也非常關心我們努力啦好啦希望你有魄力一點啦把這個願意的積極度拿出來拜託了好謝謝剩下一點時間我們請谷主委好謝謝曾主委也請谷主委\n\n15\n00:05:29,953 --> 00:05:53,033\n無厭吼好谷主委好我要請教一下因為其實之前這個客家基本法裡面有提到我們要把客家語言發展法在這個基礎之上也送進來那這個進度我也一直在追那我上一次質詢的時候我是有問到說我們現在行政立法的協調會已經有開了那後來其實有一些比較有爭議的\n\n16\n00:05:54,134 --> 00:06:14,242\n條文應該也都有處理了包括說之前有一個大家比較爭議的說是不是要有所謂的客家客語發展長這樣的職位還有另外就是說這個客家重點發展地裡面的公務人員的比例要取得客語能力的比例要跟在地的客家人口的比例一致\n\n17\n00:06:14,802 --> 00:06:21,848\n那這個都是之前有一些地方政府反映說這可能實情上會有困難所以後來你們這個爭議也都有去協調了,對嗎?有協調,但是還是要經過國普費再去協商去討論將有法律在經營部聽案\n\n18\n00:06:34,064 --> 00:07:00,673\n所以現在我想問的是說如果協調的結果就是如果已經有順利的話那我們接下來是不是就把這些沒有爭議的版本要送進來呢目前吼還有一些一些小小的一些些爭議啦必須要講就是除了這個這兩個比較大的爭議點之外還有一些還在溝通的還有、還有、還有、還有、還有所以還有法律案件送來立法院\n\n19\n00:07:01,753 --> 00:07:28,043\n好那當然我覺得其實有一些可以送進來我們再來討論啦像是說是不是用鼓勵的性質像是說把這個客語作為優先的通行語這件事情其實送進來大家可以再討論是不是就是用鼓勵性質、獎勵性質或者是說怎麼樣讓地方政府在特定的公部門要一定有設置這樣的客語的單位那這些都是我也希望可以再努力的部分啦\n\n20\n00:07:29,124 --> 00:07:56,005\n完全認同王議員的看法,用鼓勵我們拿出罰則的部分,不是處罰的方式。是啦,不要有罰則啦,對啊,當然是希望說用鼓勵代替責備啦,因為講母語這件事情不應該是說用懲罰的,那用懲罰的其實只會造成反效果,所以我也是希望說如果可以盡量就是讓你們先去盤點一下目前使用的比例是多少,那如何就是用一些具體的措施來獎勵嘛。\n\n21\n00:08:00,587 --> 00:08:20,454\n這部分希望我們趕快也把這個相關的爭議處理好之後趕快看什麼時候要送進來。好,也要我們親快、各界各部份再去協調一下,針對地方的條文還有內地要去貴的,也要我們來處理。好,那看是不是也是可以年底?\n\n22\n00:08:21,534 --> 00:08:44,651\n有機會嗎?因為其實這個溝通,剩下的細節我覺得都已經不是太大的爭議了。那最後一個,這個也是上一次我有詢問的,就是客語輸入法,因為當時啊,其實我在上一次的質詢的時候,有說有要寄信跟,像是跟Apple跟Google他們反映說,我們有一些輸入法,\n\n23\n00:08:45,251 --> 00:08:59,123\n可以去溝通,那現在要再協調,我不知道說這個輸入法的部分,我們是不是也有在技術上做更新了呢?同委員報告：,現在我們在數據的數据法：還有評論：,目前我們很想在9月就可以用的,就可以使用來完成。是,對,我知道你們其實\n\n24\n00:09:08,671 --> 00:09:12,453\n對,這個上一次主委也有講過只是說那個IOS的部分沒錯沒錯,因為它顯示顯字顯示的問題有困難目前行政院也請其他的部委包括事發部還有經濟部下去跟內團的業者去協調\n\n25\n00:09:29,119 --> 00:09:30,662\n當然在合作有一個結構之前我們要顯示的部分會用圖片的方式跟困難的事表達出來所以在目前我們的做法\n\n26\n00:09:42,162 --> 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個大家比較爭議的說是不是要有所謂的客家客語發展長這樣的職位還有另外就是說這個客家重點發展地裡面的公務人員的比例要取得客語能力的比例要跟在地的客家人口的比例一致\n那這個都是之前有一些地方政府反映說這可能實情上會有困難所以後來你們這個爭議也都有去協調了,對嗎?有協調,但是還是要經過國普費再去協商去討論將有法律在經營部聽案\n所以現在我想問的是說如果協調的結果就是如果已經有順利的話那我們接下來是不是就把這些沒有爭議的版本要送進來呢目前吼還有一些一些小小的一些些爭議啦必須要講就是除了這個這兩個比較大的爭議點之外還有一些還在溝通的還有、還有、還有、還有、還有所以還有法律案件送來立法院\n好那當然我覺得其實有一些可以送進來我們再來討論啦像是說是不是用鼓勵的性質像是說把這個客語作為優先的通行語這件事情其實送進來大家可以再討論是不是就是用鼓勵性質、獎勵性質或者是說怎麼樣讓地方政府在特定的公部門要一定有設置這樣的客語的單位那這些都是我也希望可以再努力的部分啦\n完全認同王議員的看法,用鼓勵我們拿出罰則的部分,不是處罰的方式。是啦,不要有罰則啦,對啊,當然是希望說用鼓勵代替責備啦,因為講母語這件事情不應該是說用懲罰的,那用懲罰的其實只會造成反效果,所以我也是希望說如果可以盡量就是讓你們先去盤點一下目前使用的比例是多少,那如何就是用一些具體的措施來獎勵嘛。\n這部分希望我們趕快也把這個相關的爭議處理好之後趕快看什麼時候要送進來。好,也要我們親快、各界各部份再去協調一下,針對地方的條文還有內地要去貴的,也要我們來處理。好,那看是不是也是可以年底?\n有機會嗎?因為其實這個溝通,剩下的細節我覺得都已經不是太大的爭議了。那最後一個,這個也是上一次我有詢問的,就是客語輸入法,因為當時啊,其實我在上一次的質詢的時候,有說有要寄信跟,像是跟Apple跟Google他們反映說,我們有一些輸入法,\n可以去溝通,那現在要再協調,我不知道說這個輸入法的部分,我們是不是也有在技術上做更新了呢?同委員報告：,現在我們在數據的數据法：還有評論：,目前我們很想在9月就可以用的,就可以使用來完成。是,對,我知道你們其實\n對,這個上一次主委也有講過只是說那個IOS的部分沒錯沒錯,因為它顯示顯字顯示的問題有困難目前行政院也請其他的部委包括事發部還有經濟部下去跟內團的業者去協調\n當然在合作有一個結構之前我們要顯示的部分會用圖片的方式跟困難的事表達出來所以在目前我們的做法\n好,那希望可以借重訴發部他們的專業啦,趕快把這個協調,如果是要用圖片或什麼的方式其實都很好,那就是趕快讓我們所有想要使用母語輸入的人都可以達成這個目標,好不好?好,感謝委員。好,謝謝主委,謝謝。好,非常謝謝黃姐委員的質詢,謝謝主委,謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.072 --> 00:27.406\n首先我想要請教一下因為我們今天要談論這個都市地區的原住民族的處境那我想問一下就是說如果我們在還沒有立專法之前現在的都市地區的原住民族的發展方案裡面我有看到一個非常重要的就是我們教育部其實有在都市地區的中小學開設原住民族的文化特色課程\n\n00:28.527 --> 00:33.434\n那我認為這個是非常好的我看了一下去年的這個計畫是有在10個縣市然後29個學校參與對嗎?\n\n00:38.837 --> 01:06.570\n就一步推了對那我想問一下我們原民會在當中的角色是什麼因為我會想問這個是因為我們高雄非常的特別我們高雄市全台灣唯一一個縣市有16族的原住民族的一個縣市那我也非常重視我看到這個課程認為說我們原民會若在當中有非常重要的角色也有在協助這樣的課程參與的話在高雄是不是也可以大力來推動呢\n\n01:07.982 --> 01:14.751\n這個是教育部他是負責一般的學校是那我們原住民是負責原住民地區的這個重點學校\n\n01:15.267 --> 01:42.523\n好那我在這邊想要建議啦因為我們高雄我剛也講說我們高雄真的16族都有那我們高雄市也非常積極的在把這個16族的文化也都保存起來然後也希望可以積極的發展所以也希望接下來原民會可以多多重視我們高雄的原住民族相關的與這些文化的保存那如果我們高雄的學校也有來協助的話你們也來積極的來配合好嗎\n\n01:43.143 --> 02:06.678\n好,這都會區的部分會特別注意好,那再來我請教一下這個進度喔因為其實在今年的5月6號也就是一個月之前我們院長就有來我們高雄來視察這個國立國家的原住民博物館那這個國家級的博物館其實在高雄也推了10年好不容易接下來要準備要開始籌備了\n\n02:09.019 --> 02:36.966\n那可是目前還看不到我們任何動工的進度然後也本來也預計說還要到2032年才有機會來完工那我當然會希望說可以提早動工提早籌備提早開始因為我知道其實前期作業已經做得非常的充足了包括可行性評估環境影響評估其實都做得差不多了接下來就是時程的問題不知道有沒有機會提前來完工呢\n\n02:37.677 --> 03:00.329\n跟委員報告我們已經在5月29號就已經成立這個籌備這個專案小組而且開過兩次的專案小組的會議我們希望能夠修訂這個研博館的暫行組織規程還有這些他的這個辦事的細則我們希望很快的讓這個這個籌備小組專案小組趕快先做然後籌備書趕快先成立這樣好\n\n03:01.970 --> 03:09.057\n所以籌備出現在的進度然後什麼時候可以開工啊我就先告訴我什麼時候動工就好因為我看你們新聞報導是說你們要等到明年才動工是嗎\n\n03:16.692 --> 03:31.659\n這個動工或淨土是跟高雄市政府來一起的是高雄市政府來做那我們會密切跟高雄市政府希望趕快的來做這個我們的專案小組成立之後就會很快跟高雄市政府來做更進一步的一個這個讓他速度快一點\n\n03:32.810 --> 03:57.200\n好真的要拜託喔因為這個我們都很期待那好再來請教一下這個原住民保留地的開發管理辦法這其實我前兩次的質詢也都有在問那因為這個其實之前我也問說目前這個法律未接過地的問題所以導致這些之前都有一些相關的爭議嗎包括說原保地的流失甚至是有一些\n\n03:57.680 --> 04:26.880\n例子是說因為他不當的透過人頭然後會轉賣給非原住民這些問題其實新聞上都有出現那我想問的是我們現在有一個非常重要的希望提升他法律未接的方式就是原住民保留地的這個管理利用條例的草案那之前其實原民會也都希望說要來提升他的法律未接我不知道說其實原民會應該籌備已久才對什麼時候原本要送進來啊\n\n04:29.240 --> 04:55.705\n我們現在在還需要我們是有這個版本我們還需要在跨部會讓其他部會了解一下這個這個他位階的提升會碰到什麼樣的一個問題所以有在溝通了嗎有有那我想我們希望這個會期下個會期什麼時候希望在這個年底好不好好年底之前把原住民族保留地管理利用條例送進立法院這是我們原民會的承諾\n\n04:57.301 --> 05:21.212\n年底送行政院,然後我們再來送大型行政院因為還要跨部會的一些協商所以還要再半年可不可以年底送進來我們立法院這個我們交委也非常關心我們努力啦好啦希望你有魄力一點啦把這個願意的積極度拿出來拜託了好謝謝剩下一點時間我們請谷主委好謝謝曾主委也請谷主委\n\n05:29.953 --> 05:53.033\n無厭吼好谷主委好我要請教一下因為其實之前這個客家基本法裡面有提到我們要把客家語言發展法在這個基礎之上也送進來那這個進度我也一直在追那我上一次質詢的時候我是有問到說我們現在行政立法的協調會已經有開了那後來其實有一些比較有爭議的\n\n05:54.134 --> 06:14.242\n條文應該也都有處理了包括說之前有一個大家比較爭議的說是不是要有所謂的客家客語發展長這樣的職位還有另外就是說這個客家重點發展地裡面的公務人員的比例要取得客語能力的比例要跟在地的客家人口的比例一致\n\n06:14.802 --> 06:21.848\n那這個都是之前有一些地方政府反映說這可能實情上會有困難所以後來你們這個爭議也都有去協調了,對嗎?有協調,但是還是要經過國普費再去協商去討論將有法律在經營部聽案\n\n06:34.064 --> 07:00.673\n所以現在我想問的是說如果協調的結果就是如果已經有順利的話那我們接下來是不是就把這些沒有爭議的版本要送進來呢目前吼還有一些一些小小的一些些爭議啦必須要講就是除了這個這兩個比較大的爭議點之外還有一些還在溝通的還有、還有、還有、還有、還有所以還有法律案件送來立法院\n\n07:01.753 --> 07:28.043\n好那當然我覺得其實有一些可以送進來我們再來討論啦像是說是不是用鼓勵的性質像是說把這個客語作為優先的通行語這件事情其實送進來大家可以再討論是不是就是用鼓勵性質、獎勵性質或者是說怎麼樣讓地方政府在特定的公部門要一定有設置這樣的客語的單位那這些都是我也希望可以再努力的部分啦\n\n07:29.124 --> 07:56.005\n完全認同王議員的看法,用鼓勵我們拿出罰則的部分,不是處罰的方式。是啦,不要有罰則啦,對啊,當然是希望說用鼓勵代替責備啦,因為講母語這件事情不應該是說用懲罰的,那用懲罰的其實只會造成反效果,所以我也是希望說如果可以盡量就是讓你們先去盤點一下目前使用的比例是多少,那如何就是用一些具體的措施來獎勵嘛。\n\n08:00.587 --> 08:20.454\n這部分希望我們趕快也把這個相關的爭議處理好之後趕快看什麼時候要送進來。好,也要我們親快、各界各部份再去協調一下,針對地方的條文還有內地要去貴的,也要我們來處理。好,那看是不是也是可以年底?\n\n08:21.534 --> 08:44.651\n有機會嗎?因為其實這個溝通,剩下的細節我覺得都已經不是太大的爭議了。那最後一個,這個也是上一次我有詢問的,就是客語輸入法,因為當時啊,其實我在上一次的質詢的時候,有說有要寄信跟,像是跟Apple跟Google他們反映說,我們有一些輸入法,\n\n08:45.251 --> 08:59.123\n可以去溝通,那現在要再協調,我不知道說這個輸入法的部分,我們是不是也有在技術上做更新了呢?同委員報告：,現在我們在數據的數据法：還有評論：,目前我們很想在9月就可以用的,就可以使用來完成。是,對,我知道你們其實\n\n09:08.671 --> 09:12.453\n對,這個上一次主委也有講過只是說那個IOS的部分沒錯沒錯,因為它顯示顯字顯示的問題有困難目前行政院也請其他的部委包括事發部還有經濟部下去跟內團的業者去協調\n\n09:29.119 --> 09:30.662\n當然在合作有一個結構之前我們要顯示的部分會用圖片的方式跟困難的事表達出來所以在目前我們的做法\n\n09:42.162 --> 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