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00:02:51,561\n這跟委員報告好那我想在立院各位委員都有他表達的自由為什麼我會特別提到呢是因為在內政部的書面報告第一頁所提到的我們以新住民來說有59萬6162人其中大陸港澳地區大概有38萬5026人佔了64.58%那外籍配合人數大概是21萬1136人那我們可以看得出來\n\n9\n00:03:06,050 --> 00:03:27,035\n超過六成以上的新住民都是來自大陸跟港澳地區所以針對這個部分,內政部在推動各項措施的時候有提到說會強化新住民社會適應的方案那請問一下,會不會以國家安全有高度的風險而以監控為前提進行規劃呢?\n\n10\n00:03:28,545 --> 00:03:50,491\n謝謝委員推行我想這個移民政策的部分其實我們是沒有考慮到那個部分因為他的移民的身份的組成主要就是您剛講的有婚姻移民那這個部分大陸跟那個來自其他各國的都差不多一半那我想這個在組成裡面我們應該是說輔導新住民如何融入我國如何融入我國的生活那我們對於新住民的政策主要是以這個方式\n\n11\n00:03:51,508 --> 00:04:17,578\n希望說我們針對不同地區來的這個新住民都能夠有這個不要有差別待遇希望都是能一致的標準來去對待這些嫁到我們台灣來或是融入我們台灣的這些新住民希望能夠不要用這種認知作戰的方式還來威脅大家恐嚇大家我覺得這個部分可能請內政部一定要有特別的這個針對這個不同的族群能夠一致的標準是的我們會來處理\n\n12\n00:04:19,780 --> 00:04:25,106\n謝謝那接下來我們請原住民的曾主委跟客委會的谷主委尤其曾主委還有谷主委謝謝謝謝吳長賜謝謝\n\n13\n00:04:33,236 --> 00:04:49,730\n我想先請教一下曾主委就是在5月30的時候我們高金召委已經有拍過您的業務報告當時您對這個原民會的業務還不是很熟悉那經過了兩個禮拜了那我現在針對您所提出來賴總統的政見跟您請教幾個問題\n\n14\n00:04:51,992 --> 00:05:18,861\n首先有關這個2023年賴總統請原民會務必審慎積極的處理平埔族證明後續的法治工作讓平埔族的身份認同感獲得保障請問一下上次本席也有請教過您針對平埔族獲得這個原民族的身份之後的相關的權益那上次主委有提到我也有請教您說\n\n15\n00:05:20,421 --> 00:05:47,111\n證明後可不可以買原住民的保留地?主委說可以但這樣對原住民公平嗎?現在的法令是不行那未來就是說他起的原住民身份之後那麼他的權益到底是要跟原住民是一模一樣還是要有一些這個尤其是土地的部分他們的傳統利益是不是要劃入我們原住民的變成原住民保留地這個還要後期來跟他們來做討論\n\n16\n00:05:48,353 --> 00:06:09,091\n這個影響非常大所以可能要請這曾主委要好好的來去針對這個部分因為剛剛我想高進、趙偉提到賓府只有98萬人我們現有的原住民才50幾萬人這樣子的一個權益包括說包括你剛剛講的編列預算各方面甚至禁法補償條例剛剛提到的都26億都還要用現有的經費去做支出\n\n17\n00:06:09,912 --> 00:06:28,277\n排擠到我們原來原住民的相關的運算。」所以這個部分可能要麻煩主委要特別特別的用心來處理這樣的一個問題那還有一個問題請教主委就是以雲林為例雲林的平埔族社區有包括他禮物、鴻門社、彩禮社、馬爾幹社、南社、邓崗社、西螺社\n\n18\n00:06:28,917 --> 00:06:51,325\n未來平埔族取得身份之後是不是可以主張他們的傳統領域那未來這些區域所有的開發都要跟部落公告進行部落會議跟平埔族諮商並取得平埔族的這個同意之後才能開發嗎?他們取得身份之後未來我們一定還會跟他們做很多的諮商還有就是大家一起來討論後續的有關潛力義務的問題\n\n19\n00:06:55,232 --> 00:07:07,518\n所以平虎竹證明之後要處理的問題非常多包括上一次諮詢的時候我也有提到的那些問題還有今天提到這些問題所以請你們一定要多多注意接下來我要請谷主委\n\n20\n00:07:09,414 --> 00:07:24,306\n李燕皓之前陽明交通大學與產學合作之名要把客家學院校區興建商辦大樓那客委只有在5月1號呼籲陽明交通大學要保存但是我剛剛\n\n21\n00:07:25,507 --> 00:07:54,967\n看到你今天的客委會的報告是都會區各族群權益保障措施跟精進方案那有沒有提到這件事情發生在都會區的一個大事然後你在報告第二也有指到積極重建客庄投入相關資源於都會客家然後推展客家藝文或文化等等在持續在都會區復振客家文化形塑都會客家新貌請問主委針對這個部分您現在有什麼看法\n\n22\n00:07:55,968 --> 00:08:01,973\n陽明交代一件事,我們支持希望可以保留當地的景觀與美腹當地的文化,所以希望在歷史文化地盤可以保留下來,這是我們的立場。在五月7號的時節,其實已經\n\n23\n00:08:22,129 --> 00:08:25,631\n已終止其提點,已無可補儲本,已交通太好,內需太多,所以已結束。」當然結束後,我們的立場和全國保留客家基金、客家文化的一致,所以未來我們可能可以跟\n\n24\n00:08:50,663 --> 00:09:11,434\n所以谷主委的意思是這個目前已經取消了這個新辦大樓的這個計畫是嗎?我想這部分的話其實對我們客家的這個文化的保存有非常重要的意義那另外再請教您就是平埔族證明取得身份之後會不會跟客家族群的權益有所衝突?那客委會有沒有進行相關的研究?\n\n25\n00:09:12,254 --> 00:09:39,790\n目前沒有英雄的衝突,因為原住民法案部分跟客家沒有相關,所以也沒有衝突,跟客家的提起也沒有關係。但是平埔族過去的部落可能會跟客家族群會有重疊到,所以說可能要請客委會特別針對這兩者的文化在同一個區塊共存共榮的發展好嗎?\n\n26\n00:09:40,639 --> 00:09:45,963\n好,要感謝委員,過去我們針對客家跟原住民,有針對客家跟原住民的選法歷史,來做研究,互為主體的研究,當然客家跟原住民的評估處,也有該度的重疊性的部分,也要我們第一題,歷史當中的第一題,也可以針對這個部分,進一步的做研究,來了解,沒問題。\n\n27\n00:10:10,021 --> 00:10:10,181\n感謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n109\t1451\t徐玉珍委員質詢謝謝謝謝主席我們請吳長賜好 請吳長賜\n19038\t35114\t我想請教一下就是民進黨的立委沈伯陽說這個第五縱隊就是不完全是這個中共的間諜也不是可能不是一開始就背叛國家但中共可能威脅在中國做生意或有七小在中國的人\n36115\t60221\t那他說這類的高風險族群有幾十萬人一開始就要管好那台灣也有可能被中共威脅會為其做事可能在立法院、地方宮廟這些都有一開始可能都要管理好我想請教一下長賜就是他講的這個第五縱隊而且也把立法院放進去就是也把立委這個案子有可能是第五縱隊的成員那請問您到立法院備詢會擔心嗎?\n63096\t88658\t跟委員報告因為實際上所謂的第五宗這個定義我並不是特別清楚不過依照人民的自由我想相關權利都要獲得保障所以針對他說的這個部分他說因為事實上不管是宮廟還有他有提到什麼黑幫都是內政部的業務範圍內政部有沒有在管理他所謂的中高風險的族群\n89358\t112478\t是,我想跟委員報告,那內政部執管的部分是那個有關宗教師啦那當然有關的寺廟登記都是在內政部這邊執行業務那其實我們對於寺廟的登記的業務部分這個部分內政部是有管理到主要是這樣子而已那好,現在是不是來台工作的這個大陸籍人士都是屬於高風險族群呢?\n113545\t124779\t這邊跟委員報告,那個大陸人士如果要來台灣,大家大概有行,比如說在陸委會這邊要審查資格,那我們在這邊是移民署的部分,是針對他的身份的部分,那我們會進行一個\n125979\t154276\t他來台的資格調查,會同陸委會。」主要是這樣。他還特別提到,因為這個部分,所以在這邊要請教內政部有沒有所謂的專門的作戰中心來因應這個第五縱隊跟潛在的在地協助者。謝謝委員吹噓,這個,並沒有這個東西。那我想為什麼我會特別提到這個第五縱隊,那請問一下這個次長,就是你認不認同這個沈伯陽委員的這種認知說法?\n156031\t171561\t這跟委員報告好那我想在立院各位委員都有他表達的自由為什麼我會特別提到呢是因為在內政部的書面報告第一頁所提到的我們以新住民來說有59萬6162人其中大陸港澳地區大概有38萬5026人佔了64.58%那外籍配合人數大概是21萬1136人那我們可以看得出來\n186050\t207035\t超過六成以上的新住民都是來自大陸跟港澳地區所以針對這個部分,內政部在推動各項措施的時候有提到說會強化新住民社會適應的方案那請問一下,會不會以國家安全有高度的風險而以監控為前提進行規劃呢?\n208545\t230491\t謝謝委員推行我想這個移民政策的部分其實我們是沒有考慮到那個部分因為他的移民的身份的組成主要就是您剛講的有婚姻移民那這個部分大陸跟那個來自其他各國的都差不多一半那我想這個在組成裡面我們應該是說輔導新住民如何融入我國如何融入我國的生活那我們對於新住民的政策主要是以這個方式\n231508\t257578\t希望說我們針對不同地區來的這個新住民都能夠有這個不要有差別待遇希望都是能一致的標準來去對待這些嫁到我們台灣來或是融入我們台灣的這些新住民希望能夠不要用這種認知作戰的方式還來威脅大家恐嚇大家我覺得這個部分可能請內政部一定要有特別的這個針對這個不同的族群能夠一致的標準是的我們會來處理\n259780\t265106\t謝謝那接下來我們請原住民的曾主委跟客委會的谷主委尤其曾主委還有谷主委謝謝謝謝吳長賜謝謝\n273236\t289730\t我想先請教一下曾主委就是在5月30的時候我們高金召委已經有拍過您的業務報告當時您對這個原民會的業務還不是很熟悉那經過了兩個禮拜了那我現在針對您所提出來賴總統的政見跟您請教幾個問題\n291992\t318861\t首先有關這個2023年賴總統請原民會務必審慎積極的處理平埔族證明後續的法治工作讓平埔族的身份認同感獲得保障請問一下上次本席也有請教過您針對平埔族獲得這個原民族的身份之後的相關的權益那上次主委有提到我也有請教您說\n320421\t347111\t證明後可不可以買原住民的保留地?主委說可以但這樣對原住民公平嗎?現在的法令是不行那未來就是說他起的原住民身份之後那麼他的權益到底是要跟原住民是一模一樣還是要有一些這個尤其是土地的部分他們的傳統利益是不是要劃入我們原住民的變成原住民保留地這個還要後期來跟他們來做討論\n348353\t369091\t這個影響非常大所以可能要請這曾主委要好好的來去針對這個部分因為剛剛我想高進、趙偉提到賓府只有98萬人我們現有的原住民才50幾萬人這樣子的一個權益包括說包括你剛剛講的編列預算各方面甚至禁法補償條例剛剛提到的都26億都還要用現有的經費去做支出\n369912\t388277\t排擠到我們原來原住民的相關的運算。」所以這個部分可能要麻煩主委要特別特別的用心來處理這樣的一個問題那還有一個問題請教主委就是以雲林為例雲林的平埔族社區有包括他禮物、鴻門社、彩禮社、馬爾幹社、南社、邓崗社、西螺社\n388917\t411325\t未來平埔族取得身份之後是不是可以主張他們的傳統領域那未來這些區域所有的開發都要跟部落公告進行部落會議跟平埔族諮商並取得平埔族的這個同意之後才能開發嗎?他們取得身份之後未來我們一定還會跟他們做很多的諮商還有就是大家一起來討論後續的有關潛力義務的問題\n415232\t427518\t所以平虎竹證明之後要處理的問題非常多包括上一次諮詢的時候我也有提到的那些問題還有今天提到這些問題所以請你們一定要多多注意接下來我要請谷主委\n429414\t444306\t李燕皓之前陽明交通大學與產學合作之名要把客家學院校區興建商辦大樓那客委只有在5月1號呼籲陽明交通大學要保存但是我剛剛\n445507\t474967\t看到你今天的客委會的報告是都會區各族群權益保障措施跟精進方案那有沒有提到這件事情發生在都會區的一個大事然後你在報告第二也有指到積極重建客庄投入相關資源於都會客家然後推展客家藝文或文化等等在持續在都會區復振客家文化形塑都會客家新貌請問主委針對這個部分您現在有什麼看法\n475968\t481973\t陽明交代一件事,我們支持希望可以保留當地的景觀與美腹當地的文化,所以希望在歷史文化地盤可以保留下來,這是我們的立場。在五月7號的時節,其實已經\n502129\t505631\t已終止其提點,已無可補儲本,已交通太好,內需太多,所以已結束。」當然結束後,我們的立場和全國保留客家基金、客家文化的一致,所以未來我們可能可以跟\n530663\t551434\t所以谷主委的意思是這個目前已經取消了這個新辦大樓的這個計畫是嗎?我想這部分的話其實對我們客家的這個文化的保存有非常重要的意義那另外再請教您就是平埔族證明取得身份之後會不會跟客家族群的權益有所衝突?那客委會有沒有進行相關的研究?\n552254\t579790\t目前沒有英雄的衝突,因為原住民法案部分跟客家沒有相關,所以也沒有衝突,跟客家的提起也沒有關係。但是平埔族過去的部落可能會跟客家族群會有重疊到,所以說可能要請客委會特別針對這兩者的文化在同一個區塊共存共榮的發展好嗎?\n580639\t585963\t好,要感謝委員,過去我們針對客家跟原住民,有針對客家跟原住民的選法歷史,來做研究,互為主體的研究,當然客家跟原住民的評估處,也有該度的重疊性的部分,也要我們第一題,歷史當中的第一題,也可以針對這個部分,進一步的做研究,來了解,沒問題。\n610021\t610181\t感謝委員\n","txt":"徐玉珍委員質詢謝謝謝謝主席我們請吳長賜好 請吳長賜\n我想請教一下就是民進黨的立委沈伯陽說這個第五縱隊就是不完全是這個中共的間諜也不是可能不是一開始就背叛國家但中共可能威脅在中國做生意或有七小在中國的人\n那他說這類的高風險族群有幾十萬人一開始就要管好那台灣也有可能被中共威脅會為其做事可能在立法院、地方宮廟這些都有一開始可能都要管理好我想請教一下長賜就是他講的這個第五縱隊而且也把立法院放進去就是也把立委這個案子有可能是第五縱隊的成員那請問您到立法院備詢會擔心嗎?\n跟委員報告因為實際上所謂的第五宗這個定義我並不是特別清楚不過依照人民的自由我想相關權利都要獲得保障所以針對他說的這個部分他說因為事實上不管是宮廟還有他有提到什麼黑幫都是內政部的業務範圍內政部有沒有在管理他所謂的中高風險的族群\n是,我想跟委員報告,那內政部執管的部分是那個有關宗教師啦那當然有關的寺廟登記都是在內政部這邊執行業務那其實我們對於寺廟的登記的業務部分這個部分內政部是有管理到主要是這樣子而已那好,現在是不是來台工作的這個大陸籍人士都是屬於高風險族群呢?\n這邊跟委員報告,那個大陸人士如果要來台灣,大家大概有行,比如說在陸委會這邊要審查資格,那我們在這邊是移民署的部分,是針對他的身份的部分,那我們會進行一個\n他來台的資格調查,會同陸委會。」主要是這樣。他還特別提到,因為這個部分,所以在這邊要請教內政部有沒有所謂的專門的作戰中心來因應這個第五縱隊跟潛在的在地協助者。謝謝委員吹噓,這個,並沒有這個東西。那我想為什麼我會特別提到這個第五縱隊,那請問一下這個次長,就是你認不認同這個沈伯陽委員的這種認知說法?\n這跟委員報告好那我想在立院各位委員都有他表達的自由為什麼我會特別提到呢是因為在內政部的書面報告第一頁所提到的我們以新住民來說有59萬6162人其中大陸港澳地區大概有38萬5026人佔了64.58%那外籍配合人數大概是21萬1136人那我們可以看得出來\n超過六成以上的新住民都是來自大陸跟港澳地區所以針對這個部分,內政部在推動各項措施的時候有提到說會強化新住民社會適應的方案那請問一下,會不會以國家安全有高度的風險而以監控為前提進行規劃呢?\n謝謝委員推行我想這個移民政策的部分其實我們是沒有考慮到那個部分因為他的移民的身份的組成主要就是您剛講的有婚姻移民那這個部分大陸跟那個來自其他各國的都差不多一半那我想這個在組成裡面我們應該是說輔導新住民如何融入我國如何融入我國的生活那我們對於新住民的政策主要是以這個方式\n希望說我們針對不同地區來的這個新住民都能夠有這個不要有差別待遇希望都是能一致的標準來去對待這些嫁到我們台灣來或是融入我們台灣的這些新住民希望能夠不要用這種認知作戰的方式還來威脅大家恐嚇大家我覺得這個部分可能請內政部一定要有特別的這個針對這個不同的族群能夠一致的標準是的我們會來處理\n謝謝那接下來我們請原住民的曾主委跟客委會的谷主委尤其曾主委還有谷主委謝謝謝謝吳長賜謝謝\n我想先請教一下曾主委就是在5月30的時候我們高金召委已經有拍過您的業務報告當時您對這個原民會的業務還不是很熟悉那經過了兩個禮拜了那我現在針對您所提出來賴總統的政見跟您請教幾個問題\n首先有關這個2023年賴總統請原民會務必審慎積極的處理平埔族證明後續的法治工作讓平埔族的身份認同感獲得保障請問一下上次本席也有請教過您針對平埔族獲得這個原民族的身份之後的相關的權益那上次主委有提到我也有請教您說\n證明後可不可以買原住民的保留地?主委說可以但這樣對原住民公平嗎?現在的法令是不行那未來就是說他起的原住民身份之後那麼他的權益到底是要跟原住民是一模一樣還是要有一些這個尤其是土地的部分他們的傳統利益是不是要劃入我們原住民的變成原住民保留地這個還要後期來跟他們來做討論\n這個影響非常大所以可能要請這曾主委要好好的來去針對這個部分因為剛剛我想高進、趙偉提到賓府只有98萬人我們現有的原住民才50幾萬人這樣子的一個權益包括說包括你剛剛講的編列預算各方面甚至禁法補償條例剛剛提到的都26億都還要用現有的經費去做支出\n排擠到我們原來原住民的相關的運算。」所以這個部分可能要麻煩主委要特別特別的用心來處理這樣的一個問題那還有一個問題請教主委就是以雲林為例雲林的平埔族社區有包括他禮物、鴻門社、彩禮社、馬爾幹社、南社、邓崗社、西螺社\n未來平埔族取得身份之後是不是可以主張他們的傳統領域那未來這些區域所有的開發都要跟部落公告進行部落會議跟平埔族諮商並取得平埔族的這個同意之後才能開發嗎?他們取得身份之後未來我們一定還會跟他們做很多的諮商還有就是大家一起來討論後續的有關潛力義務的問題\n所以平虎竹證明之後要處理的問題非常多包括上一次諮詢的時候我也有提到的那些問題還有今天提到這些問題所以請你們一定要多多注意接下來我要請谷主委\n李燕皓之前陽明交通大學與產學合作之名要把客家學院校區興建商辦大樓那客委只有在5月1號呼籲陽明交通大學要保存但是我剛剛\n看到你今天的客委會的報告是都會區各族群權益保障措施跟精進方案那有沒有提到這件事情發生在都會區的一個大事然後你在報告第二也有指到積極重建客庄投入相關資源於都會客家然後推展客家藝文或文化等等在持續在都會區復振客家文化形塑都會客家新貌請問主委針對這個部分您現在有什麼看法\n陽明交代一件事,我們支持希望可以保留當地的景觀與美腹當地的文化,所以希望在歷史文化地盤可以保留下來,這是我們的立場。在五月7號的時節,其實已經\n已終止其提點,已無可補儲本,已交通太好,內需太多,所以已結束。」當然結束後,我們的立場和全國保留客家基金、客家文化的一致,所以未來我們可能可以跟\n所以谷主委的意思是這個目前已經取消了這個新辦大樓的這個計畫是嗎?我想這部分的話其實對我們客家的這個文化的保存有非常重要的意義那另外再請教您就是平埔族證明取得身份之後會不會跟客家族群的權益有所衝突?那客委會有沒有進行相關的研究?\n目前沒有英雄的衝突,因為原住民法案部分跟客家沒有相關,所以也沒有衝突,跟客家的提起也沒有關係。但是平埔族過去的部落可能會跟客家族群會有重疊到,所以說可能要請客委會特別針對這兩者的文化在同一個區塊共存共榮的發展好嗎?\n好,要感謝委員,過去我們針對客家跟原住民,有針對客家跟原住民的選法歷史,來做研究,互為主體的研究,當然客家跟原住民的評估處,也有該度的重疊性的部分,也要我們第一題,歷史當中的第一題,也可以針對這個部分,進一步的做研究,來了解,沒問題。\n感謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.109 --> 00:01.451\n徐玉珍委員質詢謝謝謝謝主席我們請吳長賜好請吳長賜\n\n00:19.038 --> 00:35.114\n我想請教一下就是民進黨的立委沈伯陽說這個第五縱隊就是不完全是這個中共的間諜也不是可能不是一開始就背叛國家但中共可能威脅在中國做生意或有七小在中國的人\n\n00:36.115 --> 01:00.221\n那他說這類的高風險族群有幾十萬人一開始就要管好那台灣也有可能被中共威脅會為其做事可能在立法院、地方宮廟這些都有一開始可能都要管理好我想請教一下長賜就是他講的這個第五縱隊而且也把立法院放進去就是也把立委這個案子有可能是第五縱隊的成員那請問您到立法院備詢會擔心嗎?\n\n01:03.096 --> 01:28.658\n跟委員報告因為實際上所謂的第五宗這個定義我並不是特別清楚不過依照人民的自由我想相關權利都要獲得保障所以針對他說的這個部分他說因為事實上不管是宮廟還有他有提到什麼黑幫都是內政部的業務範圍內政部有沒有在管理他所謂的中高風險的族群\n\n01:29.358 --> 01:52.478\n是,我想跟委員報告,那內政部執管的部分是那個有關宗教師啦那當然有關的寺廟登記都是在內政部這邊執行業務那其實我們對於寺廟的登記的業務部分這個部分內政部是有管理到主要是這樣子而已那好,現在是不是來台工作的這個大陸籍人士都是屬於高風險族群呢?\n\n01:53.545 --> 02:04.779\n這邊跟委員報告,那個大陸人士如果要來台灣,大家大概有行,比如說在陸委會這邊要審查資格,那我們在這邊是移民署的部分,是針對他的身份的部分,那我們會進行一個\n\n02:05.979 --> 02:34.276\n他來台的資格調查,會同陸委會。」主要是這樣。他還特別提到,因為這個部分,所以在這邊要請教內政部有沒有所謂的專門的作戰中心來因應這個第五縱隊跟潛在的在地協助者。謝謝委員吹噓,這個,並沒有這個東西。那我想為什麼我會特別提到這個第五縱隊,那請問一下這個次長,就是你認不認同這個沈伯陽委員的這種認知說法?\n\n02:36.031 --> 02:51.561\n這跟委員報告好那我想在立院各位委員都有他表達的自由為什麼我會特別提到呢是因為在內政部的書面報告第一頁所提到的我們以新住民來說有59萬6162人其中大陸港澳地區大概有38萬5026人佔了64.58%那外籍配合人數大概是21萬1136人那我們可以看得出來\n\n03:06.050 --> 03:27.035\n超過六成以上的新住民都是來自大陸跟港澳地區所以針對這個部分,內政部在推動各項措施的時候有提到說會強化新住民社會適應的方案那請問一下,會不會以國家安全有高度的風險而以監控為前提進行規劃呢?\n\n03:28.545 --> 03:50.491\n謝謝委員推行我想這個移民政策的部分其實我們是沒有考慮到那個部分因為他的移民的身份的組成主要就是您剛講的有婚姻移民那這個部分大陸跟那個來自其他各國的都差不多一半那我想這個在組成裡面我們應該是說輔導新住民如何融入我國如何融入我國的生活那我們對於新住民的政策主要是以這個方式\n\n03:51.508 --> 04:17.578\n希望說我們針對不同地區來的這個新住民都能夠有這個不要有差別待遇希望都是能一致的標準來去對待這些嫁到我們台灣來或是融入我們台灣的這些新住民希望能夠不要用這種認知作戰的方式還來威脅大家恐嚇大家我覺得這個部分可能請內政部一定要有特別的這個針對這個不同的族群能夠一致的標準是的我們會來處理\n\n04:19.780 --> 04:25.106\n謝謝那接下來我們請原住民的曾主委跟客委會的谷主委尤其曾主委還有谷主委謝謝謝謝吳長賜謝謝\n\n04:33.236 --> 04:49.730\n我想先請教一下曾主委就是在5月30的時候我們高金召委已經有拍過您的業務報告當時您對這個原民會的業務還不是很熟悉那經過了兩個禮拜了那我現在針對您所提出來賴總統的政見跟您請教幾個問題\n\n04:51.992 --> 05:18.861\n首先有關這個2023年賴總統請原民會務必審慎積極的處理平埔族證明後續的法治工作讓平埔族的身份認同感獲得保障請問一下上次本席也有請教過您針對平埔族獲得這個原民族的身份之後的相關的權益那上次主委有提到我也有請教您說\n\n05:20.421 --> 05:47.111\n證明後可不可以買原住民的保留地?主委說可以但這樣對原住民公平嗎?現在的法令是不行那未來就是說他起的原住民身份之後那麼他的權益到底是要跟原住民是一模一樣還是要有一些這個尤其是土地的部分他們的傳統利益是不是要劃入我們原住民的變成原住民保留地這個還要後期來跟他們來做討論\n\n05:48.353 --> 06:09.091\n這個影響非常大所以可能要請這曾主委要好好的來去針對這個部分因為剛剛我想高進、趙偉提到賓府只有98萬人我們現有的原住民才50幾萬人這樣子的一個權益包括說包括你剛剛講的編列預算各方面甚至禁法補償條例剛剛提到的都26億都還要用現有的經費去做支出\n\n06:09.912 --> 06:28.277\n排擠到我們原來原住民的相關的運算。」所以這個部分可能要麻煩主委要特別特別的用心來處理這樣的一個問題那還有一個問題請教主委就是以雲林為例雲林的平埔族社區有包括他禮物、鴻門社、彩禮社、馬爾幹社、南社、邓崗社、西螺社\n\n06:28.917 --> 06:51.325\n未來平埔族取得身份之後是不是可以主張他們的傳統領域那未來這些區域所有的開發都要跟部落公告進行部落會議跟平埔族諮商並取得平埔族的這個同意之後才能開發嗎?他們取得身份之後未來我們一定還會跟他們做很多的諮商還有就是大家一起來討論後續的有關潛力義務的問題\n\n06:55.232 --> 07:07.518\n所以平虎竹證明之後要處理的問題非常多包括上一次諮詢的時候我也有提到的那些問題還有今天提到這些問題所以請你們一定要多多注意接下來我要請谷主委\n\n07:09.414 --> 07:24.306\n李燕皓之前陽明交通大學與產學合作之名要把客家學院校區興建商辦大樓那客委只有在5月1號呼籲陽明交通大學要保存但是我剛剛\n\n07:25.507 --> 07:54.967\n看到你今天的客委會的報告是都會區各族群權益保障措施跟精進方案那有沒有提到這件事情發生在都會區的一個大事然後你在報告第二也有指到積極重建客庄投入相關資源於都會客家然後推展客家藝文或文化等等在持續在都會區復振客家文化形塑都會客家新貌請問主委針對這個部分您現在有什麼看法\n\n07:55.968 --> 08:01.973\n陽明交代一件事,我們支持希望可以保留當地的景觀與美腹當地的文化,所以希望在歷史文化地盤可以保留下來,這是我們的立場。在五月7號的時節,其實已經\n\n08:22.129 --> 08:25.631\n已終止其提點,已無可補儲本,已交通太好,內需太多,所以已結束。」當然結束後,我們的立場和全國保留客家基金、客家文化的一致,所以未來我們可能可以跟\n\n08:50.663 --> 09:11.434\n所以谷主委的意思是這個目前已經取消了這個新辦大樓的這個計畫是嗎?我想這部分的話其實對我們客家的這個文化的保存有非常重要的意義那另外再請教您就是平埔族證明取得身份之後會不會跟客家族群的權益有所衝突?那客委會有沒有進行相關的研究?\n\n09:12.254 --> 09:39.790\n目前沒有英雄的衝突,因為原住民法案部分跟客家沒有相關,所以也沒有衝突,跟客家的提起也沒有關係。但是平埔族過去的部落可能會跟客家族群會有重疊到,所以說可能要請客委會特別針對這兩者的文化在同一個區塊共存共榮的發展好嗎?\n\n09:40.639 --> 09:45.963\n好,要感謝委員,過去我們針對客家跟原住民,有針對客家跟原住民的選法歷史,來做研究,互為主體的研究,當然客家跟原住民的評估處,也有該度的重疊性的部分,也要我們第一題,歷史當中的第一題,也可以針對這個部分,進一步的做研究,來了解,沒問題。\n\n10:10.021 --> 10:10.181\n感謝委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.109,"end":1.451,"text":"徐玉珍委員質詢謝謝謝謝主席我們請吳長賜好 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