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00:02:27,637\n為什麼你的權力可以大超過立委啊?要不要立法我們立委在修法立法多少都是把行政命令權力位階不夠拉到變成一個法律位階我們一天到晚就做這個事啊怎麼會你有這麼大的權力來說對立法與立法委員的法指指點點你怎麼這麼大的權力呢?請問你這筆錢下來的話總共多少錢?\n\n8\n00:02:38,120 --> 00:03:05,669\n如果這個案子通過了,增加多少支出你告訴我啊多少錢報告委員,就我們軍人恢復的話需要八千六百萬左右我看到的數字八千多也有人說五千不管八千五千都是一點點而已對,就這麼少的錢我不知道人事總署哪裡來這麼大的權力可以否決我們立法委員的提案\n\n9\n00:03:08,166 --> 00:03:27,861\n你為什麼權利來否決我們呢?我跟委員報告我們不是否決立法院提案對啊你為什麼否決我們提案呢?您在提在問我這意見的時候我們表達我們行政院這方面的意見就是你反對嘛對不對就是意思你反對就是因為你你認為行政權比立法權大啊立法院永遠是你們的這個立法局啊莫名其妙\n\n10\n00:03:34,465 --> 00:03:47,690\n你怎麼這麼大的權力呢?一個人事總署的虎虎人事長不可以提這個案子這個行政命令喔這樣我們法律都不要修了通通行政命令就好了行政權多大就是你的思路就是因為大家這個變來變去變來變去我們把法律定了這才是正道啊我要告訴這個\n\n11\n00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,742\n人事總署的這個長官不要把行政權壓制立法權不能夠這樣子這個法要通過這個法要過才是真正的落實了要照顧退伍軍人另外我想請教這個原主委\n\n12\n00:04:31,621 --> 00:04:48,907\n我一個案子一直看請問你你當過國防部長對不對是這個一樣是軍人出身的陸海公官校畢業的分發到陸海軍跟分發到國安局國安會議就不一樣喔分發到國安會國安局\n\n13\n00:04:54,417 --> 00:05:08,216\n他的福利就跟分到入海空的軍人完全不一樣在過去有圈改條例的時候到正式的編制的軍人那裡都有房子啊\n\n14\n00:05:09,400 --> 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03:27.861\n你為什麼權利來否決我們呢?我跟委員報告我們不是否決立法院提案對啊你為什麼否決我們提案呢?您在提在問我這意見的時候我們表達我們行政院這方面的意見就是你反對嘛對不對就是意思你反對就是因為你你認為行政權比立法權大啊立法院永遠是你們的這個立法局啊莫名其妙\n\n03:34.465 --> 03:47.690\n你怎麼這麼大的權力呢?一個人事總署的虎虎人事長不可以提這個案子這個行政命令喔這樣我們法律都不要修了通通行政命令就好了行政權多大就是你的思路就是因為大家這個變來變去變來變去我們把法律定了這才是正道啊我要告訴這個\n\n04:04.400 --> 04:06.742\n人事總署的這個長官不要把行政權壓制立法權不能夠這樣子這個法要通過這個法要過才是真正的落實了要照顧退伍軍人另外我想請教這個原主委\n\n04:31.621 --> 04:48.907\n我一個案子一直看請問你你當過國防部長對不對是這個一樣是軍人出身的陸海公官校畢業的分發到陸海軍跟分發到國安局國安會議就不一樣喔分發到國安會國安局\n\n04:54.417 --> 05:08.216\n他的福利就跟分到入海空的軍人完全不一樣在過去有圈改條例的時候到正式的編制的軍人那裡都有房子啊\n\n05:09.400 --> 05:19.722\n可是到國安會國安局就沒有房子這個事情已經折磨了十幾年那些都已經垂垂老矣剩下也只有一兩個一個捲春在那裡偵查一直覺得說怎麼會這樣子的我也是官校畢業的啊我的同學去入海空就有房子啊我去國安會國安局啊就沒有房子啊誰敢嚇人咧\n\n05:38.087 --> 05:51.182\n跟委員報告我是服務照護署處長我們有跟國防部討論過這個案子國防部說他有幾個新村他們現在正在核定那有幾個新村是會核定他這個納入圈改條例\n\n05:52.023 --> 06:17.948\n那幾個因為他沒有給我資料群志對不對群志他跟我講有三個村還四個村就是三四個我會後再跟國防部要資料給委員所以怎麼樣你把結論講一下那他們現在呢審查之後如果核定確定沒問題他們會把他納入捲改條例那至於有其他幾個村因為他的這個條件不符合因為這個主管機關是國防部啦我們盡力來協助這裡面的榮民榮眷這樣子\n\n06:20.885 --> 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