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00:03:12,465\n我知道大家都很重視但是現在目前為止是明道大學有要承接的承接方在哪裡目前有這個已經弄得差不多我想請這個梁副市長跟委員報告一下\n\n11\n00:03:15,373 --> 00:03:35,337\n各位委員報告有關明大大學這一部分我們會進行兩梯次的一個安置那目前第一梯次已經相關學校跟同學都已經有在match了然後我們估算大概可能還會再剩下大概100多人我們進行會在學習結束前會進行第二梯次的安置一定會把所有的同學都安置到所以目前不是我剛剛說的205人205人是之前的\n\n12\n00:03:38,318 --> 00:04:07,010\n現在已經剩下一百多人是這樣的意思嗎?對,就是我們會讓他們就在學習結束前我們一定會到安置到任何合適的學校去是,好那我想還是要盡快給校方一個方向我想學生其實在面臨他們在轉型的這個階段他們很多的學生大部分如果是校方提出我們即將要退場其實學生最在意的他們還是希望能夠在原校畢業\n\n13\n00:04:08,451 --> 00:04:24,446\n在原校得到他們的文憑接下來我們看到因為其實在我們的私校他會被列為所謂的專輔列為專輔之後其實大部分應該就是比較有能力的財團可能會來接管\n\n14\n00:04:27,068 --> 00:04:43,343\n但是呢最有能力的財團來接管之後是不是真的有心辦學然後他的公益性以及他的公共性其實也備受挑戰也可能會有一些爭議我舉比方來說學生的宿舍遭到出租\n\n15\n00:04:44,204 --> 00:05:11,287\n學生就被迫必須要另外尋求他住宿的地方然後再來就是他的教室有可能轉為他用這個也是目前我們可以看得到的現象那另外就是原本學校校方的人員他們在人事上被大幅的異動因為財團接手了嘛那這個部分我不曉得次長有沒有瞭解到目前現場的一些狀況其實真的有這麼大的問題產生\n\n16\n00:05:12,722 --> 00:05:30,778\n他如果是閒置空間的出租而且是在符合教育目的的話那這其實是對我們來說這個是可以的所以剛剛委員報告提到這件事情就是說宿舍出租或教室出租我們要去看他使用的目的是符合教育目的如果不是的話那他就不能出租\n\n17\n00:05:32,506 --> 00:05:50,916\n但是有的不是閒置的空間喔有的是學生的宿舍喔所以這個部分是不是會跟當地的教育局或者是當地的縣市來做跟學校校方更緊密的一個連結才能夠知道他們的現狀有追蹤嗎這些\n\n18\n00:05:54,718 --> 00:05:57,341\n今年2月份宣布的停招的大漢技術學院我們以這個學院來作為一個例子那大漢它是位於台灣的東部\n\n19\n00:06:19,203 --> 00:06:40,096\n他有五分之四的學生是來自於所謂的進修部也就是說他日間部的學生大概是100人那他夜間部的學生其實占大多數那現在其實他們就面臨到他們宣布停招之後大漢的學生面臨到不知道該怎麼辦才好因為同樣的一個縣市當中包含花蓮只有慈濟跟東華兩間學校\n\n20\n00:06:43,037 --> 00:07:11,298\n問題是他們的校系他們學校的科系他原本的科系是東華或者是慈濟是沒有的那我不曉得今年宣布要停招的大漢技術學院目前他們你們碰到最大的一個狀況我不曉得有沒有深刻的一些了解跟委員報告大漢的這個有沒有要停辦停辦計畫沒有送到部裡面來所以我們現在不能說他我們不能確定我們沒有辦法說他就已經是要停辦所以這只是校方自己先說的是這意思嗎\n\n21\n00:07:12,199 --> 00:07:39,612\n但我回到委員剛才的問題若是一般性的原則如果今天有學校要停辦他的學生在附近沒有學校是他有相同領域的科學的話我們會在校外開專班我會請別的學校有同領域的這樣的教授在花蓮在那邊開專班讓這些學生幾乎當然還是他們自己的同學一起在專班一直念到畢業所以這個是如果是真的的話我沒有\n\n22\n00:07:40,292 --> 00:07:52,403\n現在你們有沒有直接跟大漢來做一個更進一步的一些聯繫嗎?那你們有試著先主動先去了解這個狀況嗎?有試著主動先了解,那大漢的說法是什麼?\n\n23\n00:07:55,946 --> 00:08:22,817\n跟委員報告假如學校要停招停辦那當然一定要經過校內的程序完備之後才可以把計畫報到教育部那大漢目前他在走他們校內的程序那校內程序走完之後才會把資料報來所以目前我們都還沒有核定他的停招跟停辦因為我們還沒有收到他\n\n24\n00:08:23,377 --> 00:08:26,021\n在花蓮地區我們目前看到的就餐飲\n\n25\n00:08:36,428 --> 00:08:36,448\n〔廣告〕\n\n26\n00:09:05,306 --> 00:09:29,327\n另外最後我再花一點點的時間我來就是想要請教一下我們的教育部教育部針對各校的註冊率其實來判斷所謂的我要不要補助這間學校的一個標準但是這個所謂的註冊率其實它又含有所謂的一個寄存名額的一個方式的一個存在那我想這個寄存名額的部分其實是會美化那個數字那相對的來講\n\n27\n00:09:30,248 --> 00:09:58,507\n其實也會透露出有一些學校他堅持其實已經招不到學生了但是他目前因為董事會還在運作他也有可能因為我的數字要弄得漂亮我教育部會補助嘛他不願意表明我是不是真的要退場這個部分其實我希望教育部可能還是要主動的先去了解因為這很有可能會產生校方尤其是在董事會的一些弊端這個部分這個部分是不是可以\n\n28\n00:09:59,848 --> 00:10:28,948\n有些說明或質詢料也跟委員報告其實寄存招生名額這也是給大學它一個彈性因為其實事實上很多的領域有時候它興起了它今天需要更多可以招更多的人那這個名額其實它可以在動態的去做調整那至於委員剛才提到說它這個數據是會美化或是幹什麼我們其實這些所有的數據我們認為都應該要透明公開所以在大專院大專校院的校務資訊平台上面都可以看得到\n\n29\n00:10:29,188 --> 00:10:42,876\n有沒有可能可以把他實際的注冊率﹖因為也提供給其實有很多的學生﹖他們學生的家長﹖他們也想要做一個參考﹖萬一我進去之後我可能到了大二﹖我要被迫要轉學了﹖我要輟學了﹖是扣除寄存名額的部分嗎﹖還是不是\n\n30\n00:10:54,923 --> 00:10:55,043\n我們會從財務﹚是\n\n31\n00:11:21,144 --> 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有的是學生的宿舍喔所以這個部分是不是會跟當地的教育局或者是當地的縣市來做跟學校校方更緊密的一個連結才能夠知道他們的現狀 有追蹤嗎 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有的是學生的宿舍喔所以這個部分是不是會跟當地的教育局或者是當地的縣市來做跟學校校方更緊密的一個連結才能夠知道他們的現狀 有追蹤嗎 這些\n今年2月份宣布的停招的大漢技術學院我們以這個學院來作為一個例子那大漢它是位於台灣的東部\n他有五分之四的學生是來自於所謂的進修部也就是說他日間部的學生大概是100人那他夜間部的學生其實占大多數那現在其實他們就面臨到他們宣布停招之後大漢的學生面臨到不知道該怎麼辦才好因為同樣的一個縣市當中包含花蓮只有慈濟跟東華兩間學校\n問題是他們的校系他們學校的科系他原本的科系是東華或者是慈濟是沒有的那我不曉得今年宣布要停招的大漢技術學院目前他們你們碰到最大的一個狀況我不曉得有沒有深刻的一些了解跟委員報告大漢的這個有沒有要停辦停辦計畫沒有送到部裡面來所以我們現在不能說他我們不能確定我們沒有辦法說他就已經是要停辦所以這只是校方自己先說的是這意思嗎\n但我回到委員剛才的問題若是一般性的原則如果今天有學校要停辦他的學生在附近沒有學校是他有相同領域的科學的話我們會在校外開專班我會請別的學校有同領域的這樣的教授在花蓮在那邊開專班讓這些學生幾乎當然還是他們自己的同學一起在專班一直念到畢業所以這個是如果是真的的話我沒有\n現在你們有沒有直接跟大漢來做一個更進一步的一些聯繫嗎?那你們有試著先主動先去了解這個狀況嗎?有試著主動先了解,那大漢的說法是什麼?\n跟委員報告假如學校要停招停辦那當然一定要經過校內的程序完備之後才可以把計畫報到教育部那大漢目前他在走他們校內的程序那校內程序走完之後才會把資料報來所以目前我們都還沒有核定他的停招跟停辦因為我們還沒有收到他\n在花蓮地區我們目前看到的就餐飲\n〔廣告〕\n另外最後我再花一點點的時間我來就是想要請教一下我們的教育部教育部針對各校的註冊率其實來判斷所謂的我要不要補助這間學校的一個標準但是這個所謂的註冊率其實它又含有所謂的一個寄存名額的一個方式的一個存在那我想這個寄存名額的部分其實是會美化那個數字那相對的來講\n其實也會透露出有一些學校他堅持其實已經招不到學生了但是他目前因為董事會還在運作他也有可能因為我的數字要弄得漂亮我教育部會補助嘛他不願意表明我是不是真的要退場這個部分其實我希望教育部可能還是要主動的先去了解因為這很有可能會產生校方尤其是在董事會的一些弊端這個部分這個部分是不是可以\n有些說明或質詢料也跟委員報告其實寄存招生名額這也是給大學它一個彈性因為其實事實上很多的領域有時候它興起了它今天需要更多可以招更多的人那這個名額其實它可以在動態的去做調整那至於委員剛才提到說它這個數據是會美化或是幹什麼我們其實這些所有的數據我們認為都應該要透明公開所以在大專院大專校院的校務資訊平台上面都可以看得到\n有沒有可能可以把他實際的注冊率﹖因為也提供給其實有很多的學生﹖他們學生的家長﹖他們也想要做一個參考﹖萬一我進去之後我可能到了大二﹖我要被迫要轉學了﹖我要輟學了﹖是扣除寄存名額的部分嗎﹖還是不是\n我們會從財務﹚是\n謝謝,謝謝次長,謝謝主席好,感謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.289 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