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00:00:54,428\n市長這是我的Q版這是我的小孩用AI幫我做的我的小孩跟你一樣是要走上離公的道路而我就是現在所有人最焦慮的即將會被取代中文系畢業的研究所念的是教育所\n\n4\n00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:12,379\n我們兩個現在的畫面就是所有人最擔心的就是會不會未來我的工作就被次長您這樣優秀科系的人才所取代就是現在這個最真實的畫面我可能是那個最弱勢的相關學系畢業的次長你怎麼看目前大家在焦慮的這個議題\n\n5\n00:01:14,625 --> 00:01:41,791\n跟委員報告好了因為這兩年我一直被找去跟大家談這個演講說AI時代怎麼樣才能夠不被取代那我其實一直跟大家談一件事比如舉個例子我常常跟大家講說我認為一個不會被取代的工作叫做Sales因為Sales它很重要是要建立人跟人之間的信任那它對人要了解那事實上像過去我們在創業我們對的Sales都是人文領域的人那這只是個例子我不是說大家都要做Sales\n\n6\n00:01:45,052 --> 00:02:09,123\n我的意思是說在AI的時代因為你如果只有技術很多時候AI解決問題能力很強但是什麼問題值得解決是只有人才知道人的需求所以對人的了解其實反而我們現在新創我們在業界看到的是對人的需求夠了解的人比如說很多像產品設計師很多這些人這些人其實是我們認為是業界現在非常非常需要的\n\n7\n00:02:09,603 --> 00:02:28,398\n拜託,如果這張圖我就把它拿掉,我應該可以不要太擔心,我的學弟妹在中文系或是教育相關系所應該不會那麼快被取代,對嗎?而且在您剛剛很多的政策當中,確實教育部有非常非常多的規劃,包含剛剛也很多委員問到關於重理工輕人文這件事情,大家的焦慮,然後甚至\n\n8\n00:02:29,219 --> 00:02:30,200\n紅色的比較粗的這一條線呢是\n\n9\n00:02:46,849 --> 00:03:11,942\n所有大專院校學生的年增率那因為少子化的關係當然這個數字是往下降我相信次長非常了解可是如果我們單獨看人文社會科系的年增率趨勢它下降的幅度在近年遠遠超過大專院院校所有學生的整體年增率如果再把1213加進去我覺得應該會更可怕另外一個問題我們來看科技類科他們的負增長的程度卻相對的和緩\n\n10\n00:03:12,762 --> 00:03:12,802\n陳培瑜\n\n11\n00:03:28,415 --> 00:03:34,880\n教育部提出高中生人文及社會科學基礎人才培育計畫甚至也有去開相關的經典班\n\n12\n00:03:58,055 --> 00:04:26,455\n所以我想跟委員報告就是這是為什麼我們在大學我們接下來我們已經有大學在做那我們用這些成功的案例像臺大、清大、成大這些彈性學制就比如說我們剛剛提到臺大這個校學式的制度或是探索學習它基本上可以讓學生這樣就是說如果我今天我對資訊有興趣我可以選一個資訊領域專長大概是十幾個學分然後我也可以選一個心理的領域專長\n\n13\n00:04:27,796 --> 00:04:55,472\n這個制度你們目前有跟大學端討論過了嗎或者是你們有問過高中生相關這樣的設計嗎因為可能高中生他們馬上會遇到的問題就是我升上了大學之後我還不知道你們大人打算這樣調整的目前我的家小孩就是高三他可能都不知道他上了大學所以我相信任何的政策出發點絕對是良善的但是相關的配套跟執行還有跟現場的對話這邊我相信所有教育文化委員會委員都會想要跟教育部一起努力那後續是不是更多的資料還有我剛剛說必須要跟現場積極的溝通好嗎\n\n14\n00:04:57,633 --> 00:05:24,304\n但是我時間有限我們就先講到這邊另外關於來台留學生的事情大家很多大學會認為可能是少子化的解方之一目前確實吸引國際學生是全世界各國的趨勢不是只有台灣想要做這些事情我們辦公室整理完之後確實發現來台留學生逐漸回到疫情前的人數可是我們發現比較多資料是來自於東南亞的留學生關於中國留學生的部分賴清德總統在就職的時候他有提到\n\n15\n00:05:25,064 --> 00:05:49,754\n他希望促進在對等尊嚴的情況下促進中國留學生有學位來台的可能性教育部在5月24日的相關新聞稿也說你們希望可以在明年的5月底公開相關辦法那也許我今天還問不到進度但是我相信這件事情請教育部務必保持在對等尊嚴的情況下去促成這件事情目前你們的規劃是什麼大方向就好了\n\n16\n00:05:50,274 --> 00:05:50,394\n接下來﹖\n\n17\n00:06:12,185 --> 00:06:28,854\n次長在2017年的時候當年的台灣發動教育體育改革您絕對是一個很重要很重要的助力對次長你自己都笑了齁但是次長你現在進到教育部之後我不知道你有沒有開始知道相關體育改革的阻力跟過往的舊傳統文化他們所面臨的困境\n\n18\n00:06:29,794 --> 00:06:53,433\n剛剛我在來之前呢我們剛剛人本教育基金會開了一個記者會記者會的內容我之後會跟次長分享但是我在現場聽到一個非常悲痛的故事我跟雅琳委員都在現場我們兩個身為媽媽我們聽到一個孩子告訴我們說有一個不當收費的教練超時訓練的教練不當體罰勒索孩子勒索家長的教練他為了對付這些不聽話的小孩他甚至把小孩丟在比賽完荒涼的河濱的球場\n\n19\n00:06:57,296 --> 00:06:59,240\n不讓他上車、不接他回學校\n\n20\n00:07:00,484 --> 00:07:28,003\n甚至在出發的時候擺明就把他擺在學校門口看著所有他的同學坐上校隊的車出發去比賽來來回回教訓他不只一次而這個現象他們找了監察院也找了體育署但是過往這些勢力沒有辦法幫助到這些小孩但是我們告訴體育署這絕對不會是個案我們辦公室從過去一年半以來接到非常非常非常多的個案我們發現它有整體通案的問題次長你自己怎麼看體育改革這件事情\n\n21\n00:07:28,623 --> 00:07:51,039\n跟委員報告這個我上任之前我想講過的話都沒有辦法迴避啦真的而且網路會幫我們記下來我其實上任之前其實在有一件事情我在提的就是說這個競賽轉學競賽這件事是是因為我那時候在體育所公聽會因為我就在裡面發言就是說這個教練跟球員跟學生是其實有個權力不對等的關係非常不對等那你今天如果還有這類似這個這個轉學競賽這種很多的規定其實是\n\n22\n00:07:56,303 --> 00:07:56,503\n所以上任後呢?\n\n23\n00:08:11,607 --> 00:08:11,787\n李宜君,您認識嗎?\n\n24\n00:08:33,662 --> 00:08:40,906\n八年過去了林一軍他去年呢透過世錦賽冠軍的身份他今年再次取得奧運門票前兩天我們在愛爾達電視上看到對這位選手的專訪他很難過的說從19歲到43歲他的期待就只是希望他們可以讓一軍的教練隨隊參加奧運\n\n25\n00:08:54,011 --> 00:09:01,315\n而這個他們指的就是國訓中心跟單項協會發生什麼事情了呢?為什麼他的教練不能跟他一起去參加奧運比賽呢?我們來看一下\n\n26\n00:09:05,084 --> 00:09:05,204\n下一張\n\n27\n00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:51,186\n這個是今年他們只要發三張關於這個選奧運涉及總會奧運積分排名跟本屆教練領選結果123排序就是ABCD這上面三個教練可以跟著選手去可是我剛剛跟您報告的林怡君他的奧運積分最高排名是11可是他的教練卻不能跟他一起去而且屢次發生我剛剛已經舉例了\n\n28\n00:09:54,207 --> 00:10:18,984\n在單項協會當中對於領選教練哪些可以跟著一起選手到了現場每一個協會做法如此不同身為單項協會的主管機關體育署跟教育部次長你怎麼看這個問題這是當年您在立立非常用力的倡議體育改革您所願意看到的現象嗎我想這個委員這次我可以請體育署就這個事情做一個補充好可以謝謝因為即將奧運出發在即\n\n29\n00:10:21,064 --> 00:10:38,062\n是跟委員報告事實上每一個單項的一個特性不同那在射擊的部分今年有取得7位是7位那林毅晶屬於飛靶飛靶的部分我們有4位選手那所以有手槍有手槍的有飛靶的還有25米的選手所以會依照不同的\n\n30\n00:10:38,342 --> 00:10:52,048\n可是我剛剛這個說法你可以接受嗎?所以你現在是要公開說他們這個按照選訓委員會自行評估具奪牌實力可是你再看到這一張林益君他的奪牌實力是11那其他可以被派去的教練他們的奪牌實力排分在那邊欸\n\n31\n00:10:54,369 --> 00:11:09,401\n還是我們會後再討論?因為五國體育署要繼續這樣用不客觀的標準放任單項協會他們可以自行決定這些事情我覺得剛剛他已經說了他從19歲到43歲他的舌王如此的卑微\n\n32\n00:11:28,309 --> 00:11:51,238\n但是執政黨委員也想要在這些所有進一步的改革公開透明的路程上陪伴所有我們在政策服務的每一個人從我們關注的學生青少年到相關的選手到各式各樣的企業上社會上每一個人所以在體育這件事情上我真的覺得我自己都覺得很大的困境是我們不知道到底要怎麼樣跟你們溝通你們才願意公開透明民主的方法去對待選手跟跟協會溝通\n\n33\n00:11:52,972 --> 00:12:13,185\n因為教練的臨險都會公告出來這沒有問題的啦我們會再次跟體育署討論如果我們沒有辦法在今天有共識的話為什麼我要問次長次長麻煩你所有的願望都非常的卑微所有的選手他們不應該只是國家奪牌的工具所有的體育改革都必須要從基層\n\n34\n00:12:13,945 --> 00:12:15,607\n最後我的訴求謝謝主席謝謝不好意思最後一張\n\n35\n00:12:29,159 --> 00:12:47,287\n我要積極的要求重新檢視奧運教練領選資格﹑客觀設定還有公平性不要再讓協會施設形堂讓選手只能孤單面對還有盤點參賽證件P卡調度的可能性避免相關的現象我相信體育署非常的清楚再來我真心想要拜託葉刺身為我們從\n\n36\n00:12:48,387 --> 00:12:48,447\n謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5287\t6729\t好次長喝完水了有請次長謝謝次長\n9649\t33885\t謝謝主席 謝謝次長次長我很開心你剛回應了紅夢凱委員說你自己還有張亮萬堅次長都即將跳下去選台尋獎我們非常期待看到這個報告我的小孩今年高中畢業三年前我認真參加了學校辦的每一場講座確實就扭轉了我對學習歷程的焦慮跟恐懼後來孩子們的表現在學校的幫忙之下確實就沒有走上那一條軍備競賽所以選獎應該真的很重要就拜託教育部了 謝謝\n40972\t54428\t市長這是我的Q版這是我的小孩用AI幫我做的我的小孩跟你一樣是要走上離公的道路而我就是現在所有人最焦慮的即將會被取代中文系畢業的研究所念的是教育所\n55960\t72379\t我們兩個現在的畫面就是所有人最擔心的就是會不會未來我的工作就被次長您這樣優秀科系的人才所取代就是現在這個最真實的畫面我可能是那個最弱勢的相關學系畢業的次長你怎麼看目前大家在焦慮的這個議題\n74625\t101791\t跟委員報告好了因為這兩年我一直被找去跟大家談這個演講說AI時代怎麼樣才能夠不被取代那我其實一直跟大家談一件事比如舉個例子我常常跟大家講說我認為一個不會被取代的工作叫做Sales因為Sales它很重要是要建立人跟人之間的信任那它對人要了解那事實上像過去我們在創業我們對的Sales都是人文領域的人那這只是個例子我不是說大家都要做Sales\n105052\t129123\t我的意思是說在AI的時代因為你如果只有技術很多時候AI解決問題能力很強但是什麼問題值得解決是只有人才知道人的需求所以對人的了解其實反而我們現在新創我們在業界看到的是對人的需求夠了解的人比如說很多像產品設計師很多這些人這些人其實是我們認為是業界現在非常非常需要的\n129603\t148398\t拜託,如果這張圖我就把它拿掉,我應該可以不要太擔心,我的學弟妹在中文系或是教育相關系所應該不會那麼快被取代,對嗎?而且在您剛剛很多的政策當中,確實教育部有非常非常多的規劃,包含剛剛也很多委員問到關於重理工輕人文這件事情,大家的焦慮,然後甚至\n149219\t150200\t紅色的比較粗的這一條線呢是\n166849\t191942\t所有大專院校學生的年增率那因為少子化的關係當然這個數字是往下降我相信次長非常了解可是如果我們單獨看人文社會科系的年增率趨勢它下降的幅度在近年遠遠超過大專院院校所有學生的整體年增率如果再把1213加進去我覺得應該會更可怕另外一個問題我們來看科技類科他們的負增長的程度卻相對的和緩\n192762\t192802\t陳培瑜\n208415\t214880\t教育部提出高中生人文及社會科學基礎人才培育計畫甚至也有去開相關的經典班\n238055\t266455\t所以我想跟委員報告就是這是為什麼我們在大學我們接下來我們已經有大學在做那我們用這些成功的案例像臺大、清大、成大這些彈性學制就比如說我們剛剛提到臺大這個校學式的制度或是探索學習它基本上可以讓學生這樣就是說如果我今天我對資訊有興趣我可以選一個資訊領域專長大概是十幾個學分然後我也可以選一個心理的領域專長\n267796\t295472\t這個制度你們目前有跟大學端討論過了嗎或者是你們有問過高中生相關這樣的設計嗎因為可能高中生他們馬上會遇到的問題就是我升上了大學之後我還不知道你們大人打算這樣調整的目前我的家小孩就是高三他可能都不知道他上了大學所以我相信任何的政策出發點絕對是良善的但是相關的配套跟執行還有跟現場的對話這邊我相信所有教育文化委員會委員都會想要跟教育部一起努力那後續是不是更多的資料還有我剛剛說必須要跟現場積極的溝通好嗎\n297633\t324304\t但是我時間有限我們就先講到這邊另外關於來台留學生的事情大家很多大學會認為可能是少子化的解方之一目前確實吸引國際學生是全世界各國的趨勢不是只有台灣想要做這些事情我們辦公室整理完之後確實發現來台留學生逐漸回到疫情前的人數可是我們發現比較多資料是來自於東南亞的留學生關於中國留學生的部分賴清德總統在就職的時候他有提到\n325064\t349754\t他希望促進在對等尊嚴的情況下促進中國留學生有學位來台的可能性教育部在5月24日的相關新聞稿也說你們希望可以在明年的5月底公開相關辦法那也許我今天還問不到進度但是我相信這件事情請教育部務必保持在對等尊嚴的情況下去促成這件事情目前你們的規劃是什麼大方向就好了\n350274\t350394\t接下來﹖\n372185\t388854\t次長在2017年的時候當年的台灣發動教育體育改革您絕對是一個很重要很重要的助力對次長你自己都笑了齁但是次長你現在進到教育部之後我不知道你有沒有開始知道相關體育改革的阻力跟過往的舊傳統文化他們所面臨的困境\n389794\t413433\t剛剛我在來之前呢我們剛剛人本教育基金會開了一個記者會記者會的內容我之後會跟次長分享但是我在現場聽到一個非常悲痛的故事我跟雅琳委員都在現場我們兩個身為媽媽我們聽到一個孩子告訴我們說有一個不當收費的教練超時訓練的教練不當體罰勒索孩子勒索家長的教練他為了對付這些不聽話的小孩他甚至把小孩丟在比賽完荒涼的河濱的球場\n417296\t419240\t不讓他上車、不接他回學校\n420484\t448003\t甚至在出發的時候擺明就把他擺在學校門口看著所有他的同學坐上校隊的車出發去比賽來來回回教訓他不只一次而這個現象他們找了監察院也找了體育署但是過往這些勢力沒有辦法幫助到這些小孩但是我們告訴體育署這絕對不會是個案我們辦公室從過去一年半以來接到非常非常非常多的個案我們發現它有整體通案的問題次長你自己怎麼看體育改革這件事情\n448623\t471039\t跟委員報告這個我上任之前我想講過的話都沒有辦法迴避啦真的而且網路會幫我們記下來我其實上任之前其實在有一件事情我在提的就是說這個競賽轉學競賽這件事是是因為我那時候在體育所公聽會因為我就在裡面發言就是說這個教練跟球員跟學生是其實有個權力不對等的關係非常不對等那你今天如果還有這類似這個這個轉學競賽這種很多的規定其實是\n476303\t476503\t所以上任後呢?\n491607\t491787\t李宜君,您認識嗎?\n513662\t520906\t八年過去了林一軍他去年呢透過世錦賽冠軍的身份他今年再次取得奧運門票前兩天我們在愛爾達電視上看到對這位選手的專訪他很難過的說從19歲到43歲他的期待就只是希望他們可以讓一軍的教練隨隊參加奧運\n534011\t541315\t而這個他們指的就是國訓中心跟單項協會發生什麼事情了呢?為什麼他的教練不能跟他一起去參加奧運比賽呢?我們來看一下\n545084\t545204\t下一張\n569720\t591186\t這個是今年他們只要發三張關於這個選奧運涉及總會奧運積分排名跟本屆教練領選結果123排序就是ABCD這上面三個教練可以跟著選手去可是我剛剛跟您報告的林怡君他的奧運積分最高排名是11可是他的教練卻不能跟他一起去而且屢次發生我剛剛已經舉例了\n594207\t618984\t在單項協會當中對於領選教練哪些可以跟著一起選手到了現場每一個協會做法如此不同身為單項協會的主管機關體育署跟教育部次長你怎麼看這個問題這是當年您在立立非常用力的倡議體育改革您所願意看到的現象嗎我想這個委員這次我可以請體育署就這個事情做一個補充好可以謝謝因為即將奧運出發在即\n621064\t638062\t是跟委員報告事實上每一個單項的一個特性不同那在射擊的部分今年有取得7位是7位那林毅晶屬於飛靶飛靶的部分我們有4位選手那所以有手槍有手槍的有飛靶的還有25米的選手所以會依照不同的\n638342\t652048\t可是我剛剛這個說法你可以接受嗎?所以你現在是要公開說他們這個按照選訓委員會自行評估具奪牌實力可是你再看到這一張林益君他的奪牌實力是11那其他可以被派去的教練他們的奪牌實力排分在那邊欸\n654369\t669401\t還是我們會後再討論?因為五國體育署要繼續這樣用不客觀的標準放任單項協會他們可以自行決定這些事情我覺得剛剛他已經說了他從19歲到43歲他的舌王如此的卑微\n669821\t688029\t⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯\n688309\t711238\t但是執政黨委員也想要在這些所有進一步的改革公開透明的路程上陪伴所有我們在政策服務的每一個人從我們關注的學生青少年到相關的選手到各式各樣的企業上社會上每一個人所以在體育這件事情上我真的覺得我自己都覺得很大的困境是我們不知道到底要怎麼樣跟你們溝通你們才願意公開透明民主的方法去對待選手跟跟協會溝通\n712972\t733185\t因為教練的臨險都會公告出來 這沒有問題的啦我們會再次跟體育署討論如果我們沒有辦法在今天有共識的話為什麼我要問次長 次長麻煩你所有的願望都非常的卑微所有的選手他們不應該只是國家奪牌的工具所有的體育改革都必須要從基層\n733945\t735607\t最後我的訴求謝謝主席謝謝不好意思最後一張\n749159\t767287\t我要積極的要求重新檢視奧運教練領選資格﹑客觀設定還有公平性不要再讓協會施設形堂讓選手只能孤單面對還有盤點參賽證件P卡調度的可能性避免相關的現象我相信體育署非常的清楚再來我真心想要拜託葉刺身為我們從\n768387\t768447\t謝謝主席\n","txt":"好次長喝完水了有請次長謝謝次長\n謝謝主席 謝謝次長次長我很開心你剛回應了紅夢凱委員說你自己還有張亮萬堅次長都即將跳下去選台尋獎我們非常期待看到這個報告我的小孩今年高中畢業三年前我認真參加了學校辦的每一場講座確實就扭轉了我對學習歷程的焦慮跟恐懼後來孩子們的表現在學校的幫忙之下確實就沒有走上那一條軍備競賽所以選獎應該真的很重要就拜託教育部了 謝謝\n市長這是我的Q版這是我的小孩用AI幫我做的我的小孩跟你一樣是要走上離公的道路而我就是現在所有人最焦慮的即將會被取代中文系畢業的研究所念的是教育所\n我們兩個現在的畫面就是所有人最擔心的就是會不會未來我的工作就被次長您這樣優秀科系的人才所取代就是現在這個最真實的畫面我可能是那個最弱勢的相關學系畢業的次長你怎麼看目前大家在焦慮的這個議題\n跟委員報告好了因為這兩年我一直被找去跟大家談這個演講說AI時代怎麼樣才能夠不被取代那我其實一直跟大家談一件事比如舉個例子我常常跟大家講說我認為一個不會被取代的工作叫做Sales因為Sales它很重要是要建立人跟人之間的信任那它對人要了解那事實上像過去我們在創業我們對的Sales都是人文領域的人那這只是個例子我不是說大家都要做Sales\n我的意思是說在AI的時代因為你如果只有技術很多時候AI解決問題能力很強但是什麼問題值得解決是只有人才知道人的需求所以對人的了解其實反而我們現在新創我們在業界看到的是對人的需求夠了解的人比如說很多像產品設計師很多這些人這些人其實是我們認為是業界現在非常非常需要的\n拜託,如果這張圖我就把它拿掉,我應該可以不要太擔心,我的學弟妹在中文系或是教育相關系所應該不會那麼快被取代,對嗎?而且在您剛剛很多的政策當中,確實教育部有非常非常多的規劃,包含剛剛也很多委員問到關於重理工輕人文這件事情,大家的焦慮,然後甚至\n紅色的比較粗的這一條線呢是\n所有大專院校學生的年增率那因為少子化的關係當然這個數字是往下降我相信次長非常了解可是如果我們單獨看人文社會科系的年增率趨勢它下降的幅度在近年遠遠超過大專院院校所有學生的整體年增率如果再把1213加進去我覺得應該會更可怕另外一個問題我們來看科技類科他們的負增長的程度卻相對的和緩\n陳培瑜\n教育部提出高中生人文及社會科學基礎人才培育計畫甚至也有去開相關的經典班\n所以我想跟委員報告就是這是為什麼我們在大學我們接下來我們已經有大學在做那我們用這些成功的案例像臺大、清大、成大這些彈性學制就比如說我們剛剛提到臺大這個校學式的制度或是探索學習它基本上可以讓學生這樣就是說如果我今天我對資訊有興趣我可以選一個資訊領域專長大概是十幾個學分然後我也可以選一個心理的領域專長\n這個制度你們目前有跟大學端討論過了嗎或者是你們有問過高中生相關這樣的設計嗎因為可能高中生他們馬上會遇到的問題就是我升上了大學之後我還不知道你們大人打算這樣調整的目前我的家小孩就是高三他可能都不知道他上了大學所以我相信任何的政策出發點絕對是良善的但是相關的配套跟執行還有跟現場的對話這邊我相信所有教育文化委員會委員都會想要跟教育部一起努力那後續是不是更多的資料還有我剛剛說必須要跟現場積極的溝通好嗎\n但是我時間有限我們就先講到這邊另外關於來台留學生的事情大家很多大學會認為可能是少子化的解方之一目前確實吸引國際學生是全世界各國的趨勢不是只有台灣想要做這些事情我們辦公室整理完之後確實發現來台留學生逐漸回到疫情前的人數可是我們發現比較多資料是來自於東南亞的留學生關於中國留學生的部分賴清德總統在就職的時候他有提到\n他希望促進在對等尊嚴的情況下促進中國留學生有學位來台的可能性教育部在5月24日的相關新聞稿也說你們希望可以在明年的5月底公開相關辦法那也許我今天還問不到進度但是我相信這件事情請教育部務必保持在對等尊嚴的情況下去促成這件事情目前你們的規劃是什麼大方向就好了\n接下來﹖\n次長在2017年的時候當年的台灣發動教育體育改革您絕對是一個很重要很重要的助力對次長你自己都笑了齁但是次長你現在進到教育部之後我不知道你有沒有開始知道相關體育改革的阻力跟過往的舊傳統文化他們所面臨的困境\n剛剛我在來之前呢我們剛剛人本教育基金會開了一個記者會記者會的內容我之後會跟次長分享但是我在現場聽到一個非常悲痛的故事我跟雅琳委員都在現場我們兩個身為媽媽我們聽到一個孩子告訴我們說有一個不當收費的教練超時訓練的教練不當體罰勒索孩子勒索家長的教練他為了對付這些不聽話的小孩他甚至把小孩丟在比賽完荒涼的河濱的球場\n不讓他上車、不接他回學校\n甚至在出發的時候擺明就把他擺在學校門口看著所有他的同學坐上校隊的車出發去比賽來來回回教訓他不只一次而這個現象他們找了監察院也找了體育署但是過往這些勢力沒有辦法幫助到這些小孩但是我們告訴體育署這絕對不會是個案我們辦公室從過去一年半以來接到非常非常非常多的個案我們發現它有整體通案的問題次長你自己怎麼看體育改革這件事情\n跟委員報告這個我上任之前我想講過的話都沒有辦法迴避啦真的而且網路會幫我們記下來我其實上任之前其實在有一件事情我在提的就是說這個競賽轉學競賽這件事是是因為我那時候在體育所公聽會因為我就在裡面發言就是說這個教練跟球員跟學生是其實有個權力不對等的關係非常不對等那你今天如果還有這類似這個這個轉學競賽這種很多的規定其實是\n所以上任後呢?\n李宜君,您認識嗎?\n八年過去了林一軍他去年呢透過世錦賽冠軍的身份他今年再次取得奧運門票前兩天我們在愛爾達電視上看到對這位選手的專訪他很難過的說從19歲到43歲他的期待就只是希望他們可以讓一軍的教練隨隊參加奧運\n而這個他們指的就是國訓中心跟單項協會發生什麼事情了呢?為什麼他的教練不能跟他一起去參加奧運比賽呢?我們來看一下\n下一張\n這個是今年他們只要發三張關於這個選奧運涉及總會奧運積分排名跟本屆教練領選結果123排序就是ABCD這上面三個教練可以跟著選手去可是我剛剛跟您報告的林怡君他的奧運積分最高排名是11可是他的教練卻不能跟他一起去而且屢次發生我剛剛已經舉例了\n在單項協會當中對於領選教練哪些可以跟著一起選手到了現場每一個協會做法如此不同身為單項協會的主管機關體育署跟教育部次長你怎麼看這個問題這是當年您在立立非常用力的倡議體育改革您所願意看到的現象嗎我想這個委員這次我可以請體育署就這個事情做一個補充好可以謝謝因為即將奧運出發在即\n是跟委員報告事實上每一個單項的一個特性不同那在射擊的部分今年有取得7位是7位那林毅晶屬於飛靶飛靶的部分我們有4位選手那所以有手槍有手槍的有飛靶的還有25米的選手所以會依照不同的\n可是我剛剛這個說法你可以接受嗎?所以你現在是要公開說他們這個按照選訓委員會自行評估具奪牌實力可是你再看到這一張林益君他的奪牌實力是11那其他可以被派去的教練他們的奪牌實力排分在那邊欸\n還是我們會後再討論?因為五國體育署要繼續這樣用不客觀的標準放任單項協會他們可以自行決定這些事情我覺得剛剛他已經說了他從19歲到43歲他的舌王如此的卑微\n⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯\n但是執政黨委員也想要在這些所有進一步的改革公開透明的路程上陪伴所有我們在政策服務的每一個人從我們關注的學生青少年到相關的選手到各式各樣的企業上社會上每一個人所以在體育這件事情上我真的覺得我自己都覺得很大的困境是我們不知道到底要怎麼樣跟你們溝通你們才願意公開透明民主的方法去對待選手跟跟協會溝通\n因為教練的臨險都會公告出來 這沒有問題的啦我們會再次跟體育署討論如果我們沒有辦法在今天有共識的話為什麼我要問次長 次長麻煩你所有的願望都非常的卑微所有的選手他們不應該只是國家奪牌的工具所有的體育改革都必須要從基層\n最後我的訴求謝謝主席謝謝不好意思最後一張\n我要積極的要求重新檢視奧運教練領選資格﹑客觀設定還有公平性不要再讓協會施設形堂讓選手只能孤單面對還有盤點參賽證件P卡調度的可能性避免相關的現象我相信體育署非常的清楚再來我真心想要拜託葉刺身為我們從\n謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.287 --> 00:06.729\n好次長喝完水了有請次長謝謝次長\n\n00:09.649 --> 00:33.885\n謝謝主席謝謝次長次長我很開心你剛回應了紅夢凱委員說你自己還有張亮萬堅次長都即將跳下去選台尋獎我們非常期待看到這個報告我的小孩今年高中畢業三年前我認真參加了學校辦的每一場講座確實就扭轉了我對學習歷程的焦慮跟恐懼後來孩子們的表現在學校的幫忙之下確實就沒有走上那一條軍備競賽所以選獎應該真的很重要就拜託教育部了謝謝\n\n00:40.972 --> 00:54.428\n市長這是我的Q版這是我的小孩用AI幫我做的我的小孩跟你一樣是要走上離公的道路而我就是現在所有人最焦慮的即將會被取代中文系畢業的研究所念的是教育所\n\n00:55.960 --> 01:12.379\n我們兩個現在的畫面就是所有人最擔心的就是會不會未來我的工作就被次長您這樣優秀科系的人才所取代就是現在這個最真實的畫面我可能是那個最弱勢的相關學系畢業的次長你怎麼看目前大家在焦慮的這個議題\n\n01:14.625 --> 01:41.791\n跟委員報告好了因為這兩年我一直被找去跟大家談這個演講說AI時代怎麼樣才能夠不被取代那我其實一直跟大家談一件事比如舉個例子我常常跟大家講說我認為一個不會被取代的工作叫做Sales因為Sales它很重要是要建立人跟人之間的信任那它對人要了解那事實上像過去我們在創業我們對的Sales都是人文領域的人那這只是個例子我不是說大家都要做Sales\n\n01:45.052 --> 02:09.123\n我的意思是說在AI的時代因為你如果只有技術很多時候AI解決問題能力很強但是什麼問題值得解決是只有人才知道人的需求所以對人的了解其實反而我們現在新創我們在業界看到的是對人的需求夠了解的人比如說很多像產品設計師很多這些人這些人其實是我們認為是業界現在非常非常需要的\n\n02:09.603 --> 02:28.398\n拜託,如果這張圖我就把它拿掉,我應該可以不要太擔心,我的學弟妹在中文系或是教育相關系所應該不會那麼快被取代,對嗎?而且在您剛剛很多的政策當中,確實教育部有非常非常多的規劃,包含剛剛也很多委員問到關於重理工輕人文這件事情,大家的焦慮,然後甚至\n\n02:29.219 --> 02:30.200\n紅色的比較粗的這一條線呢是\n\n02:46.849 --> 03:11.942\n所有大專院校學生的年增率那因為少子化的關係當然這個數字是往下降我相信次長非常了解可是如果我們單獨看人文社會科系的年增率趨勢它下降的幅度在近年遠遠超過大專院院校所有學生的整體年增率如果再把1213加進去我覺得應該會更可怕另外一個問題我們來看科技類科他們的負增長的程度卻相對的和緩\n\n03:12.762 --> 03:12.802\n陳培瑜\n\n03:28.415 --> 03:34.880\n教育部提出高中生人文及社會科學基礎人才培育計畫甚至也有去開相關的經典班\n\n03:58.055 --> 04:26.455\n所以我想跟委員報告就是這是為什麼我們在大學我們接下來我們已經有大學在做那我們用這些成功的案例像臺大、清大、成大這些彈性學制就比如說我們剛剛提到臺大這個校學式的制度或是探索學習它基本上可以讓學生這樣就是說如果我今天我對資訊有興趣我可以選一個資訊領域專長大概是十幾個學分然後我也可以選一個心理的領域專長\n\n04:27.796 --> 04:55.472\n這個制度你們目前有跟大學端討論過了嗎或者是你們有問過高中生相關這樣的設計嗎因為可能高中生他們馬上會遇到的問題就是我升上了大學之後我還不知道你們大人打算這樣調整的目前我的家小孩就是高三他可能都不知道他上了大學所以我相信任何的政策出發點絕對是良善的但是相關的配套跟執行還有跟現場的對話這邊我相信所有教育文化委員會委員都會想要跟教育部一起努力那後續是不是更多的資料還有我剛剛說必須要跟現場積極的溝通好嗎\n\n04:57.633 --> 05:24.304\n但是我時間有限我們就先講到這邊另外關於來台留學生的事情大家很多大學會認為可能是少子化的解方之一目前確實吸引國際學生是全世界各國的趨勢不是只有台灣想要做這些事情我們辦公室整理完之後確實發現來台留學生逐漸回到疫情前的人數可是我們發現比較多資料是來自於東南亞的留學生關於中國留學生的部分賴清德總統在就職的時候他有提到\n\n05:25.064 --> 05:49.754\n他希望促進在對等尊嚴的情況下促進中國留學生有學位來台的可能性教育部在5月24日的相關新聞稿也說你們希望可以在明年的5月底公開相關辦法那也許我今天還問不到進度但是我相信這件事情請教育部務必保持在對等尊嚴的情況下去促成這件事情目前你們的規劃是什麼大方向就好了\n\n05:50.274 --> 05:50.394\n接下來﹖\n\n06:12.185 --> 06:28.854\n次長在2017年的時候當年的台灣發動教育體育改革您絕對是一個很重要很重要的助力對次長你自己都笑了齁但是次長你現在進到教育部之後我不知道你有沒有開始知道相關體育改革的阻力跟過往的舊傳統文化他們所面臨的困境\n\n06:29.794 --> 06:53.433\n剛剛我在來之前呢我們剛剛人本教育基金會開了一個記者會記者會的內容我之後會跟次長分享但是我在現場聽到一個非常悲痛的故事我跟雅琳委員都在現場我們兩個身為媽媽我們聽到一個孩子告訴我們說有一個不當收費的教練超時訓練的教練不當體罰勒索孩子勒索家長的教練他為了對付這些不聽話的小孩他甚至把小孩丟在比賽完荒涼的河濱的球場\n\n06:57.296 --> 06:59.240\n不讓他上車、不接他回學校\n\n07:00.484 --> 07:28.003\n甚至在出發的時候擺明就把他擺在學校門口看著所有他的同學坐上校隊的車出發去比賽來來回回教訓他不只一次而這個現象他們找了監察院也找了體育署但是過往這些勢力沒有辦法幫助到這些小孩但是我們告訴體育署這絕對不會是個案我們辦公室從過去一年半以來接到非常非常非常多的個案我們發現它有整體通案的問題次長你自己怎麼看體育改革這件事情\n\n07:28.623 --> 07:51.039\n跟委員報告這個我上任之前我想講過的話都沒有辦法迴避啦真的而且網路會幫我們記下來我其實上任之前其實在有一件事情我在提的就是說這個競賽轉學競賽這件事是是因為我那時候在體育所公聽會因為我就在裡面發言就是說這個教練跟球員跟學生是其實有個權力不對等的關係非常不對等那你今天如果還有這類似這個這個轉學競賽這種很多的規定其實是\n\n07:56.303 --> 07:56.503\n所以上任後呢?\n\n08:11.607 --> 08:11.787\n李宜君,您認識嗎?\n\n08:33.662 --> 08:40.906\n八年過去了林一軍他去年呢透過世錦賽冠軍的身份他今年再次取得奧運門票前兩天我們在愛爾達電視上看到對這位選手的專訪他很難過的說從19歲到43歲他的期待就只是希望他們可以讓一軍的教練隨隊參加奧運\n\n08:54.011 --> 09:01.315\n而這個他們指的就是國訓中心跟單項協會發生什麼事情了呢?為什麼他的教練不能跟他一起去參加奧運比賽呢?我們來看一下\n\n09:05.084 --> 09:05.204\n下一張\n\n09:29.720 --> 09:51.186\n這個是今年他們只要發三張關於這個選奧運涉及總會奧運積分排名跟本屆教練領選結果123排序就是ABCD這上面三個教練可以跟著選手去可是我剛剛跟您報告的林怡君他的奧運積分最高排名是11可是他的教練卻不能跟他一起去而且屢次發生我剛剛已經舉例了\n\n09:54.207 --> 10:18.984\n在單項協會當中對於領選教練哪些可以跟著一起選手到了現場每一個協會做法如此不同身為單項協會的主管機關體育署跟教育部次長你怎麼看這個問題這是當年您在立立非常用力的倡議體育改革您所願意看到的現象嗎我想這個委員這次我可以請體育署就這個事情做一個補充好可以謝謝因為即將奧運出發在即\n\n10:21.064 --> 10:38.062\n是跟委員報告事實上每一個單項的一個特性不同那在射擊的部分今年有取得7位是7位那林毅晶屬於飛靶飛靶的部分我們有4位選手那所以有手槍有手槍的有飛靶的還有25米的選手所以會依照不同的\n\n10:38.342 --> 10:52.048\n可是我剛剛這個說法你可以接受嗎?所以你現在是要公開說他們這個按照選訓委員會自行評估具奪牌實力可是你再看到這一張林益君他的奪牌實力是11那其他可以被派去的教練他們的奪牌實力排分在那邊欸\n\n10:54.369 --> 11:09.401\n還是我們會後再討論?因為五國體育署要繼續這樣用不客觀的標準放任單項協會他們可以自行決定這些事情我覺得剛剛他已經說了他從19歲到43歲他的舌王如此的卑微\n\n11:28.309 --> 11:51.238\n但是執政黨委員也想要在這些所有進一步的改革公開透明的路程上陪伴所有我們在政策服務的每一個人從我們關注的學生青少年到相關的選手到各式各樣的企業上社會上每一個人所以在體育這件事情上我真的覺得我自己都覺得很大的困境是我們不知道到底要怎麼樣跟你們溝通你們才願意公開透明民主的方法去對待選手跟跟協會溝通\n\n11:52.972 --> 12:13.185\n因為教練的臨險都會公告出來這沒有問題的啦我們會再次跟體育署討論如果我們沒有辦法在今天有共識的話為什麼我要問次長次長麻煩你所有的願望都非常的卑微所有的選手他們不應該只是國家奪牌的工具所有的體育改革都必須要從基層\n\n12:13.945 --> 12:15.607\n最後我的訴求謝謝主席謝謝不好意思最後一張\n\n12:29.159 --> 12:47.287\n我要積極的要求重新檢視奧運教練領選資格﹑客觀設定還有公平性不要再讓協會施設形堂讓選手只能孤單面對還有盤點參賽證件P卡調度的可能性避免相關的現象我相信體育署非常的清楚再來我真心想要拜託葉刺身為我們從\n\n12:48.387 --> 12:48.447\n謝謝主席\n\n","segments":[{"start":5.287,"end":6.729,"text":"好次長喝完水了有請次長謝謝次長"},{"start":9.649,"end":33.885,"text":"謝謝主席 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