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00:02:03,278\n因為是地方政府要提出需求。那這個部分我想我們也會再做提及的溝通。我想中央跟地方合作。我們會盡量齁,就是根據他們所提的規劃。\n\n7\n00:02:16,923 --> 00:02:42,488\n我沒有看到計劃,計劃跟經費我想我們會請我們的同仁去協調啦,就是在一個適當的方式。你不要講這樣,我計劃雙上市,每一個縣市都有苗栗縣不能缺席,你給我答應一句話就好了。我剛才已經說了齁,在整個網絡裡面,物流網絡裡面苗栗縣絕對不會缺席,不會缺掉這個網絡。\n\n8\n00:02:44,728 --> 00:03:02,330\n還有你也一直曉得我一直在關於龍鳳漁港那個直銷中心的一個改建。那直銷中心的改建目前也進入到一個關鍵的工程設計建造及興建的階段。\n\n9\n00:03:03,271 --> 00:03:24,884\n那在今年的3月,我也邀請我們的一夜市長張市長,他也答應我設計經費970萬。啊到現在,紫雲樓梯上沒有看那970萬,你這樣去跟我答應,到台港跟我答應下來,我都下不了台啊,到現在都沒有下來。\n\n10\n00:03:26,607 --> 00:03:49,857\n我跟委員說明齁,就是在整個龍鳳漁港本身的一個整理規劃,我們曾經投入了大概673萬嘛,去做一個規劃。那現在規劃期末報告出來了。那基本上我們會去支持,但是不是沒有條件的支持,我們會看它的規劃的規模啦。因為有時候齁,我們怕齁,每個地方政府或相關的它的規模太大,結果\n\n11\n00:04:07,865 --> 00:04:34,920\n但是,我現在要跟你講,跟部長報告一下,你那幾人的碧莎漁港、桃園的永安漁港、新池的南寮漁港、台中的吳崎漁港都創造了很多人流,變成一個觀光休閒漁港。我在廟裡都沒有,看起來你很照顧七水的富士苗栗,所以這個龍鳳漁港現在要送進來了。\n\n12\n00:04:37,052 --> 00:04:55,047\n啊你說派太龐大、太小。我要求的不多。你幫我建設好就好。我現在再跟你講一個問題。你高雄全鎮漁港改建的經費86億。81億多。沒有啊。86億我的意思。81億多。86、81。反正超過幾十億嘛。你是中央以專案來全額負擔。\n\n13\n00:05:03,354 --> 00:05:13,217\n高雄市政府一家斤就免存。我都問議長現在把你踢出來多花錢而已。零頭都不夠。我只有3億而已。啊你看要幫我嗎?不幫你。高雄的話我不曉得怎麼有這樣特殊的優待。86億、81億。零頭我們都不找。\n\n14\n00:05:24,381 --> 00:05:35,738\n你也想到可能我們的財政困難,因為你了解我講話這麼實在的人啊,我也不會跟你們提要求我再做事前都是要清打細算,要做出最好的。\n\n15\n00:05:36,616 --> 00:05:58,404\n了解。我跟委員報告齁,前瞻漁港是一類漁港,是由我們那個農業部直接管轄。齁,所以它是一個全能負擔,是因為是我們一類漁港我們管轄的部分。同時前瞻漁港是全台灣唯一的一個遠洋漁業的母港。齁,這個部分我想我也很清楚。那龍鳳漁港我剛才說了就是說,因為我們支持了這些規劃,我們後續會看規劃的一個規模齁,我們會給予適當的協助。\n\n16\n00:06:03,046 --> 00:06:22,839\n因為我接到了消息這樣子,我也跟陳部長,前任的陳部長一次答應給我9000萬要去改憲,我把他拒絕掉。我感覺這個泡泡腸通,我不希望做這樣的事情。我要替我們農業部、ECS打造一個榮耕漁港的名氣。現在給你們這邊挑出來什麼樣?\n\n17\n00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:49,302\n我希望你能全有負擔,因為苗栗縣的財政確實困難啦。你大發慈悲一下,把那個地方改造好。我報告議員報告齁,就是因為限制了一個財政財力的關係,當然苗栗縣如果財政有些困難,我們的比例是會根據不同的限制能力啦。好啦,那我也跟委員報告齁。因為我看你們對綠色的就全有的佈置,對比較藍色的話齁。\n\n18\n00:06:50,543 --> 00:07:07,439\n我以我的態度絕對不會這樣,我絕對看他的重要性啦。我們看他的重要性啦。所以你來當部長是我期望的欸。我說這個人很好。你當代理次長的時候,我不是在跟你吵架了欸。我不會。因為從你講話裡面我都想你很實在很務實的人啊。\n\n19\n00:07:08,580 --> 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️\n但是,我現在要跟你講,跟部長報告一下,你那幾人的碧莎漁港、桃園的永安漁港、新池的南寮漁港、台中的吳崎漁港都創造了很多人流,變成一個觀光休閒漁港。我在廟裡都沒有,看起來你很照顧七水的富士苗栗,所以這個龍鳳漁港現在要送進來了。\n啊你說派太龐大、太小。我要求的不多。你幫我建設好就好。我現在再跟你講一個問題。你高雄全鎮漁港改建的經費86億。81億多。沒有啊。86億我的意思。81億多。86、81。反正超過幾十億嘛。你是中央以專案來全額負擔。\n高雄市政府一家斤就免存。我都問議長現在把你踢出來多花錢而已。零頭都不夠。我只有3億而已。啊你看要幫我嗎?不幫你。高雄的話我不曉得怎麼有這樣特殊的優待。86億、81億。零頭我們都不找。\n你也想到可能我們的財政困難,因為你了解我講話這麼實在的人啊,我也不會跟你們提要求我再做事前都是要清打細算,要做出最好的。\n了解。我跟委員報告齁,前瞻漁港是一類漁港,是由我們那個農業部直接管轄。齁,所以它是一個全能負擔,是因為是我們一類漁港我們管轄的部分。同時前瞻漁港是全台灣唯一的一個遠洋漁業的母港。齁,這個部分我想我也很清楚。那龍鳳漁港我剛才說了就是說,因為我們支持了這些規劃,我們後續會看規劃的一個規模齁,我們會給予適當的協助。\n因為我接到了消息這樣子,我也跟陳部長,前任的陳部長一次答應給我9000萬要去改憲,我把他拒絕掉。我感覺這個泡泡腸通,我不希望做這樣的事情。我要替我們農業部、ECS打造一個榮耕漁港的名氣。現在給你們這邊挑出來什麼樣?\n我希望你能全有負擔,因為苗栗縣的財政確實困難啦。你大發慈悲一下,把那個地方改造好。我報告議員報告齁,就是因為限制了一個財政財力的關係,當然苗栗縣如果財政有些困難,我們的比例是會根據不同的限制能力啦。好啦,那我也跟委員報告齁。因為我看你們對綠色的就全有的佈置,對比較藍色的話齁。\n我以我的態度絕對不會這樣,我絕對看他的重要性啦。我們看他的重要性啦。所以你來當部長是我期望的欸。我說這個人很好。你當代理次長的時候,我不是在跟你吵架了欸。我不會。因為從你講話裡面我都想你很實在很務實的人啊。\n現在我今天的重點一個冷戶威廉中心苗栗縣不要缺席第二個龍鳳漁港要取得不多那個叫做龍鳳漁後直銷我現在只要取一億其他的地方我會找別的單位來要你來存錢喔來幫忙苗栗縣好不好我撒樣\n我不會輕易的答應任何、承諾任何的實際的經費。我看不到那個計畫書的規模。我絕對不會輕易的,但是我\n我同意苗栗現在物流的部分不能那個網絡一定會在那龍鳳漁港本身的建設有它的必要性因為我們看的評估報告是的確有必要所以我要看那個計畫書的內容我們會給予適當的協助我跟保廉說我們的那個龍岳市漁業科有時候沒錢膽子就小了寫的計畫太小都被我罵過了但是你配偶一下觀念大溪谷計畫\n​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​\n我承諾我會協助,就看他的計畫的規模跟他的相關的配置。好,好,一定啊,拜託完成我這樣。好,謝謝。我就對名利先有交代啦,好不好。拜託一下,我們都很了解這樣的情形,謝謝。好,謝謝。對,溫柔的質詢。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.300 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