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00:01:28,468\n那先請教一下署長我們現在從2016年到現在對警校做了什麼保障我們從105年到目前為止總共的這些的相關福利措施有16項我簡單舉例來講就是第一個是警察消防海巡移民空勤的醫療照護的一個方案那都是可以普遍的去做有64家的醫院譬如說去救命告告發會\n\n4\n00:01:30,328 --> 00:01:30,909\n條文及增訂附表三草案．一）委員\n\n5\n00:01:45,566 --> 00:01:50,968\n條文及增訂附表三草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議．立法院第1次聯席會議．立法院第1次聯席會議\n\n6\n00:02:08,936 --> 00:02:35,174\n謝謝署長其實署長太客氣了啦你還有很多東西沒有講到啦像是一些員警的醫療、中生照護的制度還有幼兒的補助、托育補助甚至是因公訓值的獎章的輔助提高40%還有很多就是警消的車輛、電機器然後戰術的相關的一些設備其實都有在強化嘛其實署長不用這麼客氣啦有做事就大聲講出來好不好\n\n7\n00:02:36,395 --> 00:02:38,677\n二）委員張次長,請。委員好。好,那我們當然是要持續地幫警消人員來爭取福利。那我想要請教的是說,現在因為其實我們單修這個警察人員的這個條例,我認為有問題的地方是應該要全面來看待,對嗎?\n\n8\n00:03:02,779 --> 00:03:30,459\n對要全面的看待因為同一個基金大概用同樣的標準繳費就領同樣的這個退休給付好這其實剛剛次長在回應其他委員講得非常清楚了為什麼我說不能單看警察是因為大家用同樣一個基金如果我們現在只修了警察是不是會排擠到其他的公務員這是我最擔心的要調整可以大家共同來討論嘛因為年金制度是一個非常龐大要全面一起來看待的事情喔\n\n9\n00:03:30,999 --> 00:03:44,263\n我找了一下其實如果我們現在單說這個警察條例會對哪一些其他人不公平呢例如其他的為勞人員是不是應該一起討論包括醫護人員包括監所人員包括義務役包括還有很多相關的人員像是民防這些人員其實他們都算在我們過去所謂的為勞人員裡面如果要討論是不是所有的為勞人員大家的福利薪資是都應該要起來討論呢這是其中一個沒錯\n\n10\n00:04:01,028 --> 00:04:01,208\n二）委員三）委員\n\n11\n00:04:22,139 --> 00:04:50,598\n大家難道不會覺得很委屈嗎所以我覺得要調一定要一起調反而不是說現在我們就好比說現在有一個大水庫結果我們在這裡撕接了一條水管說我們要把這個15年年資以上的警察人員就從這個水庫撕接出來然後提早把這個水庫的水用光最後就是提早這個水庫提早乾掉所以我覺得撕接水管的事情絕對不能在這裡發生要\n\n12\n00:04:52,139 --> 00:05:03,083\n要談大家一起來談甚至我看了一下喔就是說如果現在我們用這個這個版本大家的版本下去啊會比公務員未來的退休金多17.5%\n\n13\n00:05:06,005 --> 00:05:30,878\n一開始就會多17.5%那我不知道在座這麼多公務員大家心裡會怎麼看待這樣的一個條例的通過那再來我覺得對最不公平的其實是對現職的警察尤其是年輕的警察為什麼呢因為我去看了一下這個條例裡面喔就是在這一次修正的啊35條警是用2013年7月以前到職的\n\n14\n00:05:31,598 --> 00:05:56,371\n警察人員也就是說在此之後的年輕警察並沒有因此受惠喔!就是說對年輕警察來說這個條例對他們來說是很沒有辦法因此而照顧到的那這樣子這個條例看起來真的是漏洞百出並且對於其他的公務員非常的不公平所以我想問的是次長如果真的要修是不是不能只修一半而是大家應該共同來討論呢?\n\n15\n00:05:58,152 --> 00:06:22,631\n我們會比較建議要公平對等的原則這個是大家必須要去堅持的不然這整個邏輯運作原則就破壞掉了好要拜託次長遵守這個原則請所有的公務員不管警消不管其他類型的公務員大家應該要一起來共同來討論這個大家共同使用的這個基金的來源嘛最後講一下說今天這樣子的法律通過\n\n16\n00:06:23,331 --> 00:06:43,981\n其實是違反財政紀律法第五條第七條以及預算法第九十一條還有憲法第七十條甚至違反我們四至三九一號立法院不得單獨增加預算違反了這麼多法律所以今天如果這樣的法律貿然的通過真的是不只是違反現行的財政紀律更是違憲啊\n\n17\n00:06:45,891 --> 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