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00:00:29,145\n主委好我先請教曾主委本席在擔任台南縣議員跟台南市議員的期間都非常的致力跟關心於希拉雅族身份認定的議題那當時擔任台南縣議員\n\n3\n00:00:31,528 --> 00:00:45,540\n市長賴清德也積極為族人奔走地狀提行政訴訟。多年過去,憲法法庭也作出111憲判制第17號判決,根據判決的意旨,\n\n4\n00:00:48,823 --> 00:01:11,299\n有關的機關應於判決宣誓之日起三年內。」我們叫原住民的認定要件要予以檢討並修法重點是修法那本席要強調是說血緣是與生俱來的身份認同這件事情也有關於文化建構跟傳承那但是歷史上的錯誤或者是國家的不積極作為\n\n5\n00:01:12,860 --> 00:01:27,460\n使得留著原住民血液的人沒有辦法在法律上被認定身份。」我覺得這件事情是非常遺憾的。好,那去年相關行政訴訟中,行政法院以主管機關未完成修法,\n\n6\n00:01:28,041 --> 00:01:46,362\n而駁回希拉雅族人身份住進的申請。」那我想雖然判決與法是沒有違物可是希拉雅族是先於憲法存在的那怎麼能任憑憲法下不完備的法律就使他們喪失在民主國家應有的身份認定與權利\n\n7\n00:01:47,523 --> 00:02:02,703\n所以我想既然憲法法庭已經兩年前作出判決那也明確宣示了原住民身份權是我國人民的概括基本權之一那根據本辦向原民會進一步了解的是說目前要採取擬據\n\n8\n00:02:04,545 --> 00:02:34,028\n評普專法的方式來回應這個憲法判決那以專法的形式我想也更符合評普族群的需求那保障評普族人的權益那我想現行的原住民族權益也有所區隔那同時我想採取雙軌的模式來逐步完善這個評普族群的這個權益的這種體系我想也可以有效來控制國家的預算那負擔他那個\n\n9\n00:02:35,154 --> 00:03:04,065\n國家預算的負擔也增長它的幅度,也確保資源配置的合理性。」請問主委你覺得我這樣說正確嗎?是!是!很正確!謝謝你!賴總統去年主持原轉會議時也曾表示說要依據各原住民族的客觀需求國家資源分配為原則來回復平埔族群獲得民族身份的相關權利所以我想原住民\n\n10\n00:03:04,725 --> 00:03:23,406\n原民會的雙軌制規劃考量到明年10月我們就修法的期限就要到了那原民會是不是可以有什麼樣的規劃你目前有什麼樣的規劃或者說你們在三個月內給本辦一個詳細的立專法的方向的這個規劃具體規劃\n\n11\n00:03:26,300 --> 00:03:43,070\n會,那我們目前在做的是先把這個族群認定先把認定好還有身份也把它認定好那至於立專法這個部分我們會我們現在已經在內部內部做討論也會跟希臘雅族的這個族人做討論讓他整理出來之後會跟委員做報告\n\n12\n00:03:49,475 --> 00:03:56,184\n三個月內給本辦立專法方向,包括身份認定部分的規劃?\n\n13\n00:04:05,959 --> 00:04:20,218\n主委,我想過去你任職台南市客委會主委,積極破壞很多客家文化相關的活動,並透過走讀、騎腳踏車、巡迴的方式來增加能見度,這一點本席真的要給你很大大的肯定。\n\n14\n00:04:20,879 --> 00:04:48,205\n我想今天來接這個客委會主委是有關於全國這個客家事務我想在上週五有一個客語社區營造計劃交流的觀謀會中有一個分享者他提及說客家人正面臨了數位失落的困境也就是說在數位時代中並沒有一套可以打出客語打字的官方打字系統那他導致\n\n15\n00:04:49,065 --> 00:05:15,506\n很積極想要推廣這個客家文化的這些朋友們他在輸入上都還得用注音打出客語的漢字甚至還有沒有辦法顯字的這個問題那我想說文化跟語言其實如果要傳播文字是一個很重要的載體所以如果能增加客家文化的這個能見度我想語言的數位使用就顯得相當的重要那相比於台語\n\n16\n00:05:16,787 --> 00:05:36,406\n有那個帕代義手機的這個輸入法那客語沒有辦法透過手機拼音來打字目前是沒有那據瞭解我想客委會已經有推出電腦跟平板的客語輸入法可是沒有相對應的這個輸入手機來使用那這部分不曉得你有沒有什麼樣的想法\n\n17\n00:05:37,367 --> 00:05:39,389\n和議員報告：合約費目前已經在進行：數多月做得用合法：或是便宜的方式：擔議費：來作有的問題：來解決有的問題：故所以參與到9月底：我們都可以用數多月：\n\n18\n00:05:55,180 --> 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。\n155154\t184065\t國家預算的負擔也增長它的幅度,也確保資源配置的合理性。」請問主委你覺得我這樣說正確嗎?是!是!很正確!謝謝你!賴總統去年主持原轉會議時也曾表示說要依據各原住民族的客觀需求國家資源分配為原則來回復平埔族群獲得民族身份的相關權利所以我想原住民\n184725\t203406\t原民會的雙軌制規劃考量到明年10月我們就修法的期限就要到了那原民會是不是可以有什麼樣的規劃你目前有什麼樣的規劃或者說你們在三個月內給本辦一個詳細的立專法的方向的這個規劃具體規劃\n206300\t223070\t會,那我們目前在做的是先把這個族群認定先把認定好還有身份也把它認定好那至於立專法這個部分我們會我們現在已經在內部內部做討論也會跟希臘雅族的這個族人做討論讓他整理出來之後會跟委員做報告\n229475\t236184\t三個月內給本辦立專法方向,包括身份認定部分的規劃?\n245959\t260218\t主委,我想過去你任職台南市客委會主委,積極破壞很多客家文化相關的活動,並透過走讀、騎腳踏車、巡迴的方式來增加能見度,這一點本席真的要給你很大大的肯定。\n260879\t288205\t我想今天來接這個客委會主委是有關於全國這個客家事務我想在上週五有一個客語社區營造計劃交流的觀謀會中有一個分享者他提及說客家人正面臨了數位失落的困境也就是說在數位時代中並沒有一套可以打出客語打字的官方打字系統那他導致\n289065\t315506\t很積極想要推廣這個客家文化的這些朋友們他在輸入上都還得用注音打出客語的漢字甚至還有沒有辦法顯字的這個問題那我想說文化跟語言其實如果要傳播文字是一個很重要的載體所以如果能增加客家文化的這個能見度我想語言的數位使用就顯得相當的重要那相比於台語\n316787\t336406\t有那個帕代義手機的這個輸入法那客語沒有辦法透過手機拼音來打字目前是沒有那據瞭解我想客委會已經有推出電腦跟平板的客語輸入法可是沒有相對應的這個輸入手機來使用那這部分不曉得你有沒有什麼樣的想法\n337367\t339389\t和議員報告：合約費目前已經在進行：數多月做得用合法：或是便宜的方式：擔議費：來作有的問題：來解決有的問題：故所以參與到9月底：我們都可以用數多月：\n355180\t365945\t來做合法評驗和合法的信任法,做得來,經驗,經驗大就可以完成。」所以以後,我們就可以用這個書籍來做信任法。所以大家看到,我講法,我講法只要信任去\n378291\t395182\t大約多久?今年九月因為這個事情確實是有很多的客家人在關心那也謝謝主委有積極在處理那期待九月我們就有手機的輸入方式可以來輸入客語\n405909\t422802\t有客語語音還有拼音用拼音做的兩種方式都做的好謝謝好繼續我們請林德福林德福林德福委員不在林柱英林柱英林柱英委員不在\n","txt":"歡迎我們在教育文化經常見到謝謝召委謝謝主席有請原民會曾竹偉還有客委會古竹偉\n主委好我先請教曾主委本席在擔任台南縣議員跟台南市議員的期間都非常的致力跟關心於希拉雅族身份認定的議題那當時擔任台南縣議員\n市長賴清德也積極為族人奔走地狀提行政訴訟。多年過去,憲法法庭也作出111憲判制第17號判決,根據判決的意旨,\n有關的機關應於判決宣誓之日起三年內。」我們叫原住民的認定要件要予以檢討並修法重點是修法那本席要強調是說血緣是與生俱來的身份認同這件事情也有關於文化建構跟傳承那但是歷史上的錯誤或者是國家的不積極作為\n使得留著原住民血液的人沒有辦法在法律上被認定身份。」我覺得這件事情是非常遺憾的。好,那去年相關行政訴訟中,行政法院以主管機關未完成修法,\n而駁回希拉雅族人身份住進的申請。」那我想雖然判決與法是沒有違物可是希拉雅族是先於憲法存在的那怎麼能任憑憲法下不完備的法律就使他們喪失在民主國家應有的身份認定與權利\n所以我想既然憲法法庭已經兩年前作出判決那也明確宣示了原住民身份權是我國人民的概括基本權之一那根據本辦向原民會進一步了解的是說目前要採取擬據\n評普專法的方式來回應這個憲法判決那以專法的形式我想也更符合評普族群的需求那保障評普族人的權益那我想現行的原住民族權益也有所區隔那同時我想採取雙軌的模式來逐步完善這個評普族群的這個權益的這種體系我想也可以有效來控制國家的預算那負擔他那個\n。 。\n國家預算的負擔也增長它的幅度,也確保資源配置的合理性。」請問主委你覺得我這樣說正確嗎?是!是!很正確!謝謝你!賴總統去年主持原轉會議時也曾表示說要依據各原住民族的客觀需求國家資源分配為原則來回復平埔族群獲得民族身份的相關權利所以我想原住民\n原民會的雙軌制規劃考量到明年10月我們就修法的期限就要到了那原民會是不是可以有什麼樣的規劃你目前有什麼樣的規劃或者說你們在三個月內給本辦一個詳細的立專法的方向的這個規劃具體規劃\n會,那我們目前在做的是先把這個族群認定先把認定好還有身份也把它認定好那至於立專法這個部分我們會我們現在已經在內部內部做討論也會跟希臘雅族的這個族人做討論讓他整理出來之後會跟委員做報告\n三個月內給本辦立專法方向,包括身份認定部分的規劃?\n主委,我想過去你任職台南市客委會主委,積極破壞很多客家文化相關的活動,並透過走讀、騎腳踏車、巡迴的方式來增加能見度,這一點本席真的要給你很大大的肯定。\n我想今天來接這個客委會主委是有關於全國這個客家事務我想在上週五有一個客語社區營造計劃交流的觀謀會中有一個分享者他提及說客家人正面臨了數位失落的困境也就是說在數位時代中並沒有一套可以打出客語打字的官方打字系統那他導致\n很積極想要推廣這個客家文化的這些朋友們他在輸入上都還得用注音打出客語的漢字甚至還有沒有辦法顯字的這個問題那我想說文化跟語言其實如果要傳播文字是一個很重要的載體所以如果能增加客家文化的這個能見度我想語言的數位使用就顯得相當的重要那相比於台語\n有那個帕代義手機的這個輸入法那客語沒有辦法透過手機拼音來打字目前是沒有那據瞭解我想客委會已經有推出電腦跟平板的客語輸入法可是沒有相對應的這個輸入手機來使用那這部分不曉得你有沒有什麼樣的想法\n和議員報告：合約費目前已經在進行：數多月做得用合法：或是便宜的方式：擔議費：來作有的問題：來解決有的問題：故所以參與到9月底：我們都可以用數多月：\n來做合法評驗和合法的信任法,做得來,經驗,經驗大就可以完成。」所以以後,我們就可以用這個書籍來做信任法。所以大家看到,我講法,我講法只要信任去\n大約多久?今年九月因為這個事情確實是有很多的客家人在關心那也謝謝主委有積極在處理那期待九月我們就有手機的輸入方式可以來輸入客語\n有客語語音還有拼音用拼音做的兩種方式都做的好謝謝好繼續我們請林德福林德福林德福委員不在林柱英林柱英林柱英委員不在\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.010 --> 00:11.846\n歡迎我們在教育文化經常見到謝謝召委謝謝主席有請原民會曾竹偉還有客委會古竹偉\n\n00:16.468 --> 00:29.145\n主委好我先請教曾主委本席在擔任台南縣議員跟台南市議員的期間都非常的致力跟關心於希拉雅族身份認定的議題那當時擔任台南縣議員\n\n00:31.528 --> 00:45.540\n市長賴清德也積極為族人奔走地狀提行政訴訟。多年過去,憲法法庭也作出111憲判制第17號判決,根據判決的意旨,\n\n00:48.823 --> 01:11.299\n有關的機關應於判決宣誓之日起三年內。」我們叫原住民的認定要件要予以檢討並修法重點是修法那本席要強調是說血緣是與生俱來的身份認同這件事情也有關於文化建構跟傳承那但是歷史上的錯誤或者是國家的不積極作為\n\n01:12.860 --> 01:27.460\n使得留著原住民血液的人沒有辦法在法律上被認定身份。」我覺得這件事情是非常遺憾的。好,那去年相關行政訴訟中,行政法院以主管機關未完成修法,\n\n01:28.041 --> 01:46.362\n而駁回希拉雅族人身份住進的申請。」那我想雖然判決與法是沒有違物可是希拉雅族是先於憲法存在的那怎麼能任憑憲法下不完備的法律就使他們喪失在民主國家應有的身份認定與權利\n\n01:47.523 --> 02:02.703\n所以我想既然憲法法庭已經兩年前作出判決那也明確宣示了原住民身份權是我國人民的概括基本權之一那根據本辦向原民會進一步了解的是說目前要採取擬據\n\n02:04.545 --> 02:34.028\n評普專法的方式來回應這個憲法判決那以專法的形式我想也更符合評普族群的需求那保障評普族人的權益那我想現行的原住民族權益也有所區隔那同時我想採取雙軌的模式來逐步完善這個評普族群的這個權益的這種體系我想也可以有效來控制國家的預算那負擔他那個\n\n02:35.154 --> 03:04.065\n國家預算的負擔也增長它的幅度,也確保資源配置的合理性。」請問主委你覺得我這樣說正確嗎?是!是!很正確!謝謝你!賴總統去年主持原轉會議時也曾表示說要依據各原住民族的客觀需求國家資源分配為原則來回復平埔族群獲得民族身份的相關權利所以我想原住民\n\n03:04.725 --> 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