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00:01:09,175\n不好意思,我沒有想起那就是我今天要講的就是我們產創條例實施三年那個想要透過跟產業界合作然後做創新的那當然在產創條例實施前所謂的產學合作利益都良好像你這個部分都講的是好的部分可是有很多的亂象那我覺得也是該到一個檢討的時期\n\n4\n00:01:11,195 --> 00:01:39,754\n上次我有問過部長不知道次長有沒有去了解就是楊交大的師生抗議覺得學校在建架迎合企業就是要讓群聯進駐原本人家捐給客家學院要做就是客家學院的土地那不知道次長有沒有了解這個事情的發展報告委員這個案子後來就撤案了後來撤案了那次長您的態度您覺得可是是在\n\n5\n00:01:41,115 --> 00:01:48,340\n市長,您對這件事情的態度是什麼呢?你覺得原本楊交大要這樣做到底是不是我們產學合作該做的方向?\n\n6\n00:02:02,577 --> 00:02:18,689\n我覺得他這個案子我覺得他其實確實是應該要顧及到當地的人文的這個原本的特色這件事情確實當初這樣子會引起這個客院的師生的抗議我覺得這個是有道理的\n\n7\n00:02:19,509 --> 00:02:44,376\n我是想請次長去了解一件事就是我們現在居然沒有任何的法規可以去規範就如果課院師生沒有出來抗議的話可能這整個事情就過去了我們看起來好像覺得很不合理的一個產學合作的方向跟內容它幾乎沒有任何的法規我們可以處理那當然跟我們這個大學自主等等有相關\n\n8\n00:02:45,276 --> 00:03:06,009\n但是我要告訴次長的是這不是第一次而且我現在講的不是只有楊交大我現在光舉楊交大這麼一個國立大學我們私立大學的部分我們還先不要舉因為這個是發生在今年的事情我們辦公室也有接到陳情不過後來就是楊交大的那個案子就自己撤案了就沒有要讓群聯來用這一塊地蓋商辦\n\n9\n00:03:09,771 --> 00:03:30,812\n可是楊交大2021��2021年就發生過交應樓的爭議也發生過致遠樓的爭議那我已經跟教育部所知知道就是說你們其實是瞭解這個狀況的那你看2021年的時候這個華映捐的這個商業大樓它破產之後連媒體都報告過還想拿來變現抵債\n\n10\n00:03:34,235 --> 00:03:38,359\n至遠樓的部分也一樣他們還有產權爭議後來還在官司中5月30日法院才核定企業界沒有擁有產權\n\n11\n00:03:49,491 --> 00:04:08,932\n所以次長你怎麼看產權合作到最後產權還有爭議還在那個企業還想拿來抵押就是抵債然後就是還想要上法院要求要擁有這個產權我們怎麼產權合作到最後產權明明都是國立大學是不是國家的土地請問次長\n\n12\n00:04:10,015 --> 00:04:27,813\n跟委員報告,我們認為這是國家的土地國家的資源,進行產學合作不管是空間之外要怎麼運用最重要就是要在教育的目的之下不管他是轉租或是他做什麼事情其實都還是要在教育目的之下\n\n13\n00:04:31,336 --> 00:04:43,305\n那我想問的是說那他們如果已經不符合教育目的的話然後產權如果法院當時沒有判是給就是楊交大的話那我們教育部有沒有任何法規可以處理\n\n14\n00:04:51,214 --> 00:04:57,681\n有任何法規可以處理嗎?已經失去了教育的目的的話?學校跟任何產學他就訂一個產學合作的契約\n\n15\n00:05:04,608 --> 00:05:30,915\n那契約你們有辦法管理嗎?沒有,現在因為國立大學有關他的這些土地建物是由他來當管理機關不是教育部所以這個就是問題那台大就發生有一位教授去告說因為台大當時校長不願意公佈跟郭台銘的基金會的契約內容說是私人契約沒有需要公開後來告到法院法院最後判那個教授應該要公開因為是公共事務\n\n16\n00:05:31,855 --> 00:05:57,368\n所以現在這個契約連自己學校的教授都不能看所以這裡面一定是契約出了問題嘛那您剛講次長講得非常好要以教育為目的我們光以當時這個報導就是都已經不是教育的目的了學師生熬夜做研究那個企業大樓的管委會還嫌他們就是用水電是不是用太多不歡迎他們熬夜做研究\n\n17\n00:05:58,068 --> 00:06:22,702\n所以原本企業捐款蓋大樓因為學校需要這個錢可是土地明明是國家的是這個洋交大的最後會發生就是企業也沒有再提供什麼產學合作的機會了還租給別的企業當辦公室收租金所以這裡面這個亂象已經失去了教育的目的那問題就在教育部好像無法可管\n\n18\n00:06:23,382 --> 00:06:24,743\n所以你的意思是國有財產署要去管嗎?所以依法誰去收回?是國有財產署去收回嗎?\n\n19\n00:06:46,363 --> 00:07:13,162\n學校去收回,學校就不管啊,學校很高興啊簽那個約簽40年啊學校應該要依法收回但是學校沒有依法收回的時候呢?那我們就會督促學校應該去收回那你們看到剛剛那個新聞你們有去督促學校嗎?這個楊交大這個是2021年的新聞欸你們有去督促學校嗎?有關這個交應樓因為它華映公司破產了以後所以其實整個產權已經拿回到楊交大在使用\n\n20\n00:07:13,502 --> 00:07:17,744\n我現在要講是你這個已經是亡羊補牢了可是有多少這種約包含剛剛講臺大那個電機系教授去告的那個事情表示這個約本身有很大的問題所以我現在再舉更多的例子清華大學被學生抗議的臺北政經學院\n\n21\n00:07:35,712 --> 00:07:56,557\n還有2014年北科大經過中校東路都有看過北科大產學合作為名的出租大樓學生也看過都無用便汽車賣場這個部分那是教育用途嗎請問那個次長北科大的校地賣汽車賣高檔汽車在中校東路上您有經過過吧那棟大樓不是那麼了解那棟大樓不是嗎\n\n22\n00:08:05,042 --> 00:08:29,007\n我不是這麼瞭解我不是說不是你不瞭解沒有關係這個部分其實到現在為止師生抗議國之後就還是沒有辦法處理所以我想產學合作現在造成的問題就是校地變成商用產權引爭議跌床架屋最近還有台大的政經學院案就是校園民主似乎失靈了\n\n23\n00:08:29,747 --> 00:08:29,767\n次長．\n\n24\n00:08:53,157 --> 00:08:56,683\n委員是說就是台大最近依照我們這個產創條例通過的那個政經學院\n\n25\n00:09:01,345 --> 00:09:26,824\n有,第一次校務會議沒有通過因為很多老師反彈那主要是政治系、經濟系的那第二次不知道為什麼就通過了那我要問的事情是當時十幾個民團跟學生會就認為他有很多的問題那我想問的事情是次長你知不知道這個產學條例他會避開哪些高教重要法規就是一個特別法他避開了哪些法\n\n26\n00:09:28,883 --> 00:09:46,730\n我想他是在鬆綁一些關於採購人士的這些部份他會跳過大學法跳過教師法這兩個就夠重要了您應該會非常了解可是我們以台大這個例子為例就是學位授予法至少跳過了十條法因為他是特別法所以權力非常的大\n\n27\n00:09:47,430 --> 00:10:01,669\n但是以台大政經學院的過程當時我們講的不是政治經濟也不是地緣政治因為是產創所以台大的教授寫文章次長有空可以看一下黃長林這位委員教授講的事這不符合我們產創條例的精神\n\n28\n00:10:04,352 --> 00:10:08,718\n但這部分是我們相關的審議會放寬的內容把這個政治經濟加進去當時我們講的都是類似像台積電等等這些半導體的那不知道為什麼是這樣\n\n29\n00:10:21,095 --> 00:10:21,115\n好,謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5697\t5978\t謝謝昭葦 有請次長\n12130\t12430\t委員好\n43210\t69175\t不好意思,我沒有想起那就是我今天要講的就是我們產創條例實施三年那個想要透過跟產業界合作然後做創新的那當然在產創條例實施前所謂的產學合作利益都良好像你這個部分都講的是好的部分可是有很多的亂象那我覺得也是該到一個檢討的時期\n71195\t99754\t上次我有問過部長不知道次長有沒有去了解就是楊交大的師生抗議覺得學校在建架迎合企業就是要讓群聯進駐原本人家捐給客家學院要做就是客家學院的土地那不知道次長有沒有了解這個事情的發展報告委員這個案子後來就撤案了後來撤案了那次長您的態度您覺得可是是在\n101115\t108340\t市長,您對這件事情的態度是什麼呢?你覺得原本楊交大要這樣做到底是不是我們產學合作該做的方向?\n122577\t138689\t我覺得他這個案子我覺得他其實確實是應該要顧及到當地的人文的這個原本的特色這件事情確實當初這樣子會引起這個客院的師生的抗議我覺得這個是有道理的\n139509\t164376\t我是想請次長去了解一件事就是我們現在居然沒有任何的法規可以去規範就如果課院師生沒有出來抗議的話可能這整個事情就過去了我們看起來好像覺得很不合理的一個產學合作的方向跟內容它幾乎沒有任何的法規我們可以處理那當然跟我們這個大學自主等等有相關\n165276\t186009\t但是我要告訴次長的是這不是第一次而且我現在講的不是只有楊交大我現在光舉楊交大這麼一個國立大學我們私立大學的部分我們還先不要舉因為這個是發生在今年的事情我們辦公室也有接到陳情不過後來就是楊交大的那個案子就自己撤案了就沒有要讓群聯來用這一塊地蓋商辦\n189771\t210812\t可是楊交大2021��2021年就發生過交應樓的爭議也發生過致遠樓的爭議那我已經跟教育部所知知道就是說你們其實是瞭解這個狀況的那你看2021年的時候這個華映捐的這個商業大樓它破產之後連媒體都報告過還想拿來變現抵債\n214235\t218359\t至遠樓的部分也一樣他們還有產權爭議後來還在官司中5月30日法院才核定企業界沒有擁有產權\n229491\t248932\t所以次長你怎麼看產權合作到最後產權還有爭議還在那個企業還想拿來抵押就是抵債然後就是還想要上法院要求要擁有這個產權我們怎麼產權合作到最後產權明明都是國立大學是不是國家的土地請問次長\n250015\t267813\t跟委員報告,我們認為這是國家的土地國家的資源,進行產學合作不管是空間之外要怎麼運用最重要就是要在教育的目的之下不管他是轉租或是他做什麼事情其實都還是要在教育目的之下\n271336\t283305\t那我想問的是說那他們如果已經不符合教育目的的話然後產權如果法院當時沒有判是給就是楊交大的話那我們教育部有沒有任何法規可以處理\n291214\t297681\t有任何法規可以處理嗎?已經失去了教育的目的的話?學校跟任何產學他就訂一個產學合作的契約\n304608\t330915\t那契約你們有辦法管理嗎?沒有,現在因為國立大學有關他的這些土地建物是由他來當管理機關不是教育部所以這個就是問題那台大就發生有一位教授去告說因為台大當時校長不願意公佈跟郭台銘的基金會的契約內容說是私人契約沒有需要公開後來告到法院法院最後判那個教授應該要公開因為是公共事務\n331855\t357368\t所以現在這個契約連自己學校的教授都不能看所以這裡面一定是契約出了問題嘛那您剛講次長講得非常好要以教育為目的我們光以當時這個報導就是都已經不是教育的目的了學師生熬夜做研究那個企業大樓的管委會還嫌他們就是用水電是不是用太多不歡迎他們熬夜做研究\n358068\t382702\t所以原本企業捐款蓋大樓因為學校需要這個錢可是土地明明是國家的是這個洋交大的最後會發生就是企業也沒有再提供什麼產學合作的機會了還租給別的企業當辦公室收租金所以這裡面這個亂象已經失去了教育的目的那問題就在教育部好像無法可管\n383382\t384743\t所以你的意思是國有財產署要去管嗎?所以依法誰去收回?是國有財產署去收回嗎?\n406363\t433162\t學校去收回,學校就不管啊,學校很高興啊簽那個約簽40年啊學校應該要依法收回但是學校沒有依法收回的時候呢?那我們就會督促學校應該去收回那你們看到剛剛那個新聞你們有去督促學校嗎?這個楊交大這個是2021年的新聞欸你們有去督促學校嗎?有關這個交應樓因為它華映公司破產了以後所以其實整個產權已經拿回到楊交大在使用\n433502\t437744\t我現在要講是你這個已經是亡羊補牢了可是有多少這種約包含剛剛講臺大那個電機系教授去告的那個事情表示這個約本身有很大的問題所以我現在再舉更多的例子清華大學被學生抗議的臺北政經學院\n455712\t476557\t還有2014年北科大經過中校東路都有看過北科大產學合作為名的出租大樓學生也看過都無用便汽車賣場這個部分那是教育用途嗎請問那個次長北科大的校地賣汽車賣高檔汽車在中校東路上您有經過過吧那棟大樓不是那麼了解那棟大樓不是嗎\n485042\t509007\t我不是這麼瞭解我不是說不是你不瞭解沒有關係這個部分其實到現在為止師生抗議國之後就還是沒有辦法處理所以我想產學合作現在造成的問題就是校地變成商用產權引爭議跌床架屋最近還有台大的政經學院案就是校園民主似乎失靈了\n509747\t509767\t次長．\n533157\t536683\t委員是說就是台大最近依照我們這個產創條例通過的那個政經學院\n541345\t566824\t有,第一次校務會議沒有通過因為很多老師反彈那主要是政治系、經濟系的那第二次不知道為什麼就通過了那我要問的事情是當時十幾個民團跟學生會就認為他有很多的問題那我想問的事情是次長你知不知道這個產學條例他會避開哪些高教重要法規就是一個特別法他避開了哪些法\n568883\t586730\t我想他是在鬆綁一些關於採購人士的這些部份他會跳過大學法跳過教師法這兩個就夠重要了您應該會非常了解可是我們以台大這個例子為例就是學位授予法至少跳過了十條法因為他是特別法所以權力非常的大\n587430\t601669\t但是以台大政經學院的過程當時我們講的不是政治經濟也不是地緣政治 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有請次長\n委員好\n不好意思,我沒有想起那就是我今天要講的就是我們產創條例實施三年那個想要透過跟產業界合作然後做創新的那當然在產創條例實施前所謂的產學合作利益都良好像你這個部分都講的是好的部分可是有很多的亂象那我覺得也是該到一個檢討的時期\n上次我有問過部長不知道次長有沒有去了解就是楊交大的師生抗議覺得學校在建架迎合企業就是要讓群聯進駐原本人家捐給客家學院要做就是客家學院的土地那不知道次長有沒有了解這個事情的發展報告委員這個案子後來就撤案了後來撤案了那次長您的態度您覺得可是是在\n市長,您對這件事情的態度是什麼呢?你覺得原本楊交大要這樣做到底是不是我們產學合作該做的方向?\n我覺得他這個案子我覺得他其實確實是應該要顧及到當地的人文的這個原本的特色這件事情確實當初這樣子會引起這個客院的師生的抗議我覺得這個是有道理的\n我是想請次長去了解一件事就是我們現在居然沒有任何的法規可以去規範就如果課院師生沒有出來抗議的話可能這整個事情就過去了我們看起來好像覺得很不合理的一個產學合作的方向跟內容它幾乎沒有任何的法規我們可以處理那當然跟我們這個大學自主等等有相關\n但是我要告訴次長的是這不是第一次而且我現在講的不是只有楊交大我現在光舉楊交大這麼一個國立大學我們私立大學的部分我們還先不要舉因為這個是發生在今年的事情我們辦公室也有接到陳情不過後來就是楊交大的那個案子就自己撤案了就沒有要讓群聯來用這一塊地蓋商辦\n可是楊交大2021��2021年就發生過交應樓的爭議也發生過致遠樓的爭議那我已經跟教育部所知知道就是說你們其實是瞭解這個狀況的那你看2021年的時候這個華映捐的這個商業大樓它破產之後連媒體都報告過還想拿來變現抵債\n至遠樓的部分也一樣他們還有產權爭議後來還在官司中5月30日法院才核定企業界沒有擁有產權\n所以次長你怎麼看產權合作到最後產權還有爭議還在那個企業還想拿來抵押就是抵債然後就是還想要上法院要求要擁有這個產權我們怎麼產權合作到最後產權明明都是國立大學是不是國家的土地請問次長\n跟委員報告,我們認為這是國家的土地國家的資源,進行產學合作不管是空間之外要怎麼運用最重要就是要在教育的目的之下不管他是轉租或是他做什麼事情其實都還是要在教育目的之下\n那我想問的是說那他們如果已經不符合教育目的的話然後產權如果法院當時沒有判是給就是楊交大的話那我們教育部有沒有任何法規可以處理\n有任何法規可以處理嗎?已經失去了教育的目的的話?學校跟任何產學他就訂一個產學合作的契約\n那契約你們有辦法管理嗎?沒有,現在因為國立大學有關他的這些土地建物是由他來當管理機關不是教育部所以這個就是問題那台大就發生有一位教授去告說因為台大當時校長不願意公佈跟郭台銘的基金會的契約內容說是私人契約沒有需要公開後來告到法院法院最後判那個教授應該要公開因為是公共事務\n所以現在這個契約連自己學校的教授都不能看所以這裡面一定是契約出了問題嘛那您剛講次長講得非常好要以教育為目的我們光以當時這個報導就是都已經不是教育的目的了學師生熬夜做研究那個企業大樓的管委會還嫌他們就是用水電是不是用太多不歡迎他們熬夜做研究\n所以原本企業捐款蓋大樓因為學校需要這個錢可是土地明明是國家的是這個洋交大的最後會發生就是企業也沒有再提供什麼產學合作的機會了還租給別的企業當辦公室收租金所以這裡面這個亂象已經失去了教育的目的那問題就在教育部好像無法可管\n所以你的意思是國有財產署要去管嗎?所以依法誰去收回?是國有財產署去收回嗎?\n學校去收回,學校就不管啊,學校很高興啊簽那個約簽40年啊學校應該要依法收回但是學校沒有依法收回的時候呢?那我們就會督促學校應該去收回那你們看到剛剛那個新聞你們有去督促學校嗎?這個楊交大這個是2021年的新聞欸你們有去督促學校嗎?有關這個交應樓因為它華映公司破產了以後所以其實整個產權已經拿回到楊交大在使用\n我現在要講是你這個已經是亡羊補牢了可是有多少這種約包含剛剛講臺大那個電機系教授去告的那個事情表示這個約本身有很大的問題所以我現在再舉更多的例子清華大學被學生抗議的臺北政經學院\n還有2014年北科大經過中校東路都有看過北科大產學合作為名的出租大樓學生也看過都無用便汽車賣場這個部分那是教育用途嗎請問那個次長北科大的校地賣汽車賣高檔汽車在中校東路上您有經過過吧那棟大樓不是那麼了解那棟大樓不是嗎\n我不是這麼瞭解我不是說不是你不瞭解沒有關係這個部分其實到現在為止師生抗議國之後就還是沒有辦法處理所以我想產學合作現在造成的問題就是校地變成商用產權引爭議跌床架屋最近還有台大的政經學院案就是校園民主似乎失靈了\n次長．\n委員是說就是台大最近依照我們這個產創條例通過的那個政經學院\n有,第一次校務會議沒有通過因為很多老師反彈那主要是政治系、經濟系的那第二次不知道為什麼就通過了那我要問的事情是當時十幾個民團跟學生會就認為他有很多的問題那我想問的事情是次長你知不知道這個產學條例他會避開哪些高教重要法規就是一個特別法他避開了哪些法\n我想他是在鬆綁一些關於採購人士的這些部份他會跳過大學法跳過教師法這兩個就夠重要了您應該會非常了解可是我們以台大這個例子為例就是學位授予法至少跳過了十條法因為他是特別法所以權力非常的大\n但是以台大政經學院的過程當時我們講的不是政治經濟也不是地緣政治 因為是產創所以台大的教授寫文章次長有空可以看一下黃長林這位委員教授講的事這不符合我們產創條例的精神\n但這部分是我們相關的審議會放寬的內容把這個政治經濟加進去當時我們講的都是類似像台積電等等這些半導體的那不知道為什麼是這樣\n好,謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.697 --> 00:05.978\n謝謝昭葦有請次長\n\n00:12.130 --> 00:12.430\n委員好\n\n00:43.210 --> 01:09.175\n不好意思,我沒有想起那就是我今天要講的就是我們產創條例實施三年那個想要透過跟產業界合作然後做創新的那當然在產創條例實施前所謂的產學合作利益都良好像你這個部分都講的是好的部分可是有很多的亂象那我覺得也是該到一個檢討的時期\n\n01:11.195 --> 01:39.754\n上次我有問過部長不知道次長有沒有去了解就是楊交大的師生抗議覺得學校在建架迎合企業就是要讓群聯進駐原本人家捐給客家學院要做就是客家學院的土地那不知道次長有沒有了解這個事情的發展報告委員這個案子後來就撤案了後來撤案了那次長您的態度您覺得可是是在\n\n01:41.115 --> 01:48.340\n市長,您對這件事情的態度是什麼呢?你覺得原本楊交大要這樣做到底是不是我們產學合作該做的方向?\n\n02:02.577 --> 02:18.689\n我覺得他這個案子我覺得他其實確實是應該要顧及到當地的人文的這個原本的特色這件事情確實當初這樣子會引起這個客院的師生的抗議我覺得這個是有道理的\n\n02:19.509 --> 02:44.376\n我是想請次長去了解一件事就是我們現在居然沒有任何的法規可以去規範就如果課院師生沒有出來抗議的話可能這整個事情就過去了我們看起來好像覺得很不合理的一個產學合作的方向跟內容它幾乎沒有任何的法規我們可以處理那當然跟我們這個大學自主等等有相關\n\n02:45.276 --> 03:06.009\n但是我要告訴次長的是這不是第一次而且我現在講的不是只有楊交大我現在光舉楊交大這麼一個國立大學我們私立大學的部分我們還先不要舉因為這個是發生在今年的事情我們辦公室也有接到陳情不過後來就是楊交大的那個案子就自己撤案了就沒有要讓群聯來用這一塊地蓋商辦\n\n03:09.771 --> 03:30.812\n可是楊交大2021��2021年就發生過交應樓的爭議也發生過致遠樓的爭議那我已經跟教育部所知知道就是說你們其實是瞭解這個狀況的那你看2021年的時候這個華映捐的這個商業大樓它破產之後連媒體都報告過還想拿來變現抵債\n\n03:34.235 --> 03:38.359\n至遠樓的部分也一樣他們還有產權爭議後來還在官司中5月30日法院才核定企業界沒有擁有產權\n\n03:49.491 --> 04:08.932\n所以次長你怎麼看產權合作到最後產權還有爭議還在那個企業還想拿來抵押就是抵債然後就是還想要上法院要求要擁有這個產權我們怎麼產權合作到最後產權明明都是國立大學是不是國家的土地請問次長\n\n04:10.015 --> 04:27.813\n跟委員報告,我們認為這是國家的土地國家的資源,進行產學合作不管是空間之外要怎麼運用最重要就是要在教育的目的之下不管他是轉租或是他做什麼事情其實都還是要在教育目的之下\n\n04:31.336 --> 04:43.305\n那我想問的是說那他們如果已經不符合教育目的的話然後產權如果法院當時沒有判是給就是楊交大的話那我們教育部有沒有任何法規可以處理\n\n04:51.214 --> 04:57.681\n有任何法規可以處理嗎?已經失去了教育的目的的話?學校跟任何產學他就訂一個產學合作的契約\n\n05:04.608 --> 05:30.915\n那契約你們有辦法管理嗎?沒有,現在因為國立大學有關他的這些土地建物是由他來當管理機關不是教育部所以這個就是問題那台大就發生有一位教授去告說因為台大當時校長不願意公佈跟郭台銘的基金會的契約內容說是私人契約沒有需要公開後來告到法院法院最後判那個教授應該要公開因為是公共事務\n\n05:31.855 --> 05:57.368\n所以現在這個契約連自己學校的教授都不能看所以這裡面一定是契約出了問題嘛那您剛講次長講得非常好要以教育為目的我們光以當時這個報導就是都已經不是教育的目的了學師生熬夜做研究那個企業大樓的管委會還嫌他們就是用水電是不是用太多不歡迎他們熬夜做研究\n\n05:58.068 --> 06:22.702\n所以原本企業捐款蓋大樓因為學校需要這個錢可是土地明明是國家的是這個洋交大的最後會發生就是企業也沒有再提供什麼產學合作的機會了還租給別的企業當辦公室收租金所以這裡面這個亂象已經失去了教育的目的那問題就在教育部好像無法可管\n\n06:23.382 --> 06:24.743\n所以你的意思是國有財產署要去管嗎?所以依法誰去收回?是國有財產署去收回嗎?\n\n06:46.363 --> 07:13.162\n學校去收回,學校就不管啊,學校很高興啊簽那個約簽40年啊學校應該要依法收回但是學校沒有依法收回的時候呢?那我們就會督促學校應該去收回那你們看到剛剛那個新聞你們有去督促學校嗎?這個楊交大這個是2021年的新聞欸你們有去督促學校嗎?有關這個交應樓因為它華映公司破產了以後所以其實整個產權已經拿回到楊交大在使用\n\n07:13.502 --> 07:17.744\n我現在要講是你這個已經是亡羊補牢了可是有多少這種約包含剛剛講臺大那個電機系教授去告的那個事情表示這個約本身有很大的問題所以我現在再舉更多的例子清華大學被學生抗議的臺北政經學院\n\n07:35.712 --> 07:56.557\n還有2014年北科大經過中校東路都有看過北科大產學合作為名的出租大樓學生也看過都無用便汽車賣場這個部分那是教育用途嗎請問那個次長北科大的校地賣汽車賣高檔汽車在中校東路上您有經過過吧那棟大樓不是那麼了解那棟大樓不是嗎\n\n08:05.042 --> 08:29.007\n我不是這麼瞭解我不是說不是你不瞭解沒有關係這個部分其實到現在為止師生抗議國之後就還是沒有辦法處理所以我想產學合作現在造成的問題就是校地變成商用產權引爭議跌床架屋最近還有台大的政經學院案就是校園民主似乎失靈了\n\n08:29.747 --> 08:29.767\n次長．\n\n08:53.157 --> 08:56.683\n委員是說就是台大最近依照我們這個產創條例通過的那個政經學院\n\n09:01.345 --> 09:26.824\n有,第一次校務會議沒有通過因為很多老師反彈那主要是政治系、經濟系的那第二次不知道為什麼就通過了那我要問的事情是當時十幾個民團跟學生會就認為他有很多的問題那我想問的事情是次長你知不知道這個產學條例他會避開哪些高教重要法規就是一個特別法他避開了哪些法\n\n09:28.883 --> 09:46.730\n我想他是在鬆綁一些關於採購人士的這些部份他會跳過大學法跳過教師法這兩個就夠重要了您應該會非常了解可是我們以台大這個例子為例就是學位授予法至少跳過了十條法因為他是特別法所以權力非常的大\n\n09:47.430 --> 10:01.669\n但是以台大政經學院的過程當時我們講的不是政治經濟也不是地緣政治因為是產創所以台大的教授寫文章次長有空可以看一下黃長林這位委員教授講的事這不符合我們產創條例的精神\n\n10:04.352 --> 10:08.718\n但這部分是我們相關的審議會放寬的內容把這個政治經濟加進去當時我們講的都是類似像台積電等等這些半導體的那不知道為什麼是這樣\n\n10:21.095 --> 10:21.115\n好,謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":5.697,"end":5.978,"text":"謝謝昭葦 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