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00:00:32,475\n部長好委員好我剛剛有特別聽到你的一個報告特別有委員問到我想我們現在到底要不要開放團客去大陸跟大陸的旅客要不要來觀光這個其實問題好像蠻複雜的一直談不清楚可是我剛剛聽到你講一句話我是有點覺得方向似乎有點錯誤\n\n3\n00:00:34,275 --> 00:00:55,629\n第一個你剛剛講說這個最主要對的你舉了一個理由啦我講很多因素喔但你舉的理由是說你看我們這個台灣有這麼多的自由行過去像你剛剛舉的齁這麼多人過去啊他們自由行來的人這麼少自由行來觀光人這麼少你這是你剛剛舉的意思可是事實上是什麼情況勒\n\n4\n00:00:56,650 --> 00:01:19,442\n我們不開放台灣到截至今天為止沒有開放也觀光為目的的不管是自由行團客都不要講了就這一關都沒開放有開放嗎除了人道探親探親團聚人道旅遊的第二個國際商務商務為旅遊的這等等的你來申請還不一定過\n\n5\n00:01:21,904 --> 00:01:27,651\n關光為目的﹖剛剛問了陸委會﹖也問了移民署﹖如果以關光﹖我要來台灣旅遊﹖為這個為目的的﹖到底有沒有開放?\n\n6\n00:01:36,621 --> 00:02:00,789\n臺灣有沒有開放臺灣有沒有開放純觀光我就來臺灣玩有沒有嘛沒關係又不是開不開放又不是你的責任到底有沒有開放對啦我知道嘛所以我是跟這個我們部長舉這個例子是怪怪的因為我們不開放別人以觀光目的為自由行的然後我說這是我覺得他來的\n\n7\n00:02:01,809 --> 00:02:04,350\n高鐵桃園站前10公頃廣場在2年多前111年的5月由鐵道局\n\n8\n00:02:32,123 --> 00:02:48,276\n國泰人壽得標完成簽約我先講大家都很期待啦因為空力空在那邊國泰開發嘛都好事然後當時我在111年的年底我就舉辦了到現場的現刊考察\n\n9\n00:02:48,996 --> 00:02:52,919\n一百一十二年完成相關的審議可能要環評或者環查分析第二個建造審查一百一十三年今年要開工\n\n10\n00:03:12,295 --> 00:03:14,878\n桃園站前的事業開發用地相關的前置作業包括督設省、交評\n\n11\n00:03:28,191 --> 00:03:28,772\n委員會主席\n\n12\n00:03:44,028 --> 00:04:02,496\n好因為看起來112年拿到建造現在建造到目前為止沒拿到還好剛通過了剛剛講一些審議上個禮拜剛好通過了我們希望他最後的一個不管建造建造整個一個審查的過程中我覺得鐵道局也要去\n\n13\n00:04:03,356 --> 00:04:03,476\n委員會主席\n\n14\n00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:51,698\n陶淵高鐵的兩公頃的廣場那廣場是公設的然後也把它拋出去了所以我們當時很擔心啊我的天啊廣場蓋一蓋不見怎麼辦因為它有很多的功能嘛所以當然協調結果我要拜託部長在有機會能夠接上來第一個要保留兩公頃的廣場而且是靠近高鐵站的當時答應\n\n15\n00:04:52,478 --> 00:05:17,037\n第二因為所有的鐵路的廣場甚至高鐵的廣場都會在N年之後當停車不夠的時候會下挖可是你一次招標出去了那我們就希望能夠這一次在國泰人壽一併考慮到未來我們的廣場這個部分當時也答應了第三個直接建置地下連通道到高鐵站\n\n16\n00:05:18,379 --> 00:05:28,913\n第4個要增加遊覽車停車空間像遊覽車都沒地方停所以這四個需求要確認一定要做到好不好幫忙督導一下那第二個\n\n17\n00:05:30,745 --> 00:05:47,839\n請問一下這個部長這你知道嗎我看到你的報告有寫了齁我們現在集結集結最後一里路事實上兩里了齁一個是要通到我們中壢車站還差一站還差一站但我要謝謝交通部在去年的\n\n18\n00:05:48,679 --> 00:06:14,773\n7月31號終於向前推進一站已經進入我們市區了啦那但是跟中壢車站能連接到是非常有具體意義的因為直接跟火車就串接了中南部一些小站的不做高鐵的他也可以透過我們中壢車站直接串接到機場所以他是非常非常有功能的那請問一下現在進度現在確定要延幾年呢\n\n19\n00:06:15,774 --> 00:06:31,954\n目前還是以原定計畫117年作為通車目標這裡面有一個關鍵是在逃避計畫的CJ17標下面要把集結通過中壢車站這個位置的結構體一併做出來好你現在因為我們濾捷延伸線\n\n20\n00:06:33,215 --> 00:06:48,626\n大月台的方案月台延伸的一個方案我聽說會造成延誤12個月因為報告有寫但是我是覺得值得因為你讓一條捷運進不了中壢車站是一個很奇怪的事所以我們希望你現在還是110預計117年能夠讓機捷通到中壢車站現在目標是這樣沒有變\n\n21\n00:06:55,850 --> 00:07:13,744\n117是原來的計畫,剛剛大月台發案延誤12個月的部分,我想我們靠近一點再來做檢討,就目前我們仍然以117作為目標就117或者118,我希望這個目標能夠確認那再來是另外一個A14,就是因為我們現在T3預計在115年年底,預計會完工\n\n22\n00:07:18,147 --> 00:07:29,626\n現在到底發生什麼事啊A14站體現在都是機長公司在做了那為什麼行政院工程會的特別報告說這個部長你知道他那邊有沒有發生什麼問題啊\n\n23\n00:07:31,358 --> 00:07:58,800\nA14要做一個車站跟我們的T3三航廈有發生什麼問題嗎你知道嗎是不是由機場公司來做說明這問題是在我們在施工的過程當中因為有一些結構它是兩邊要有一個銜接點那這些銜接點它在施工縫的處理上面在前一陣子的時間因為雨量比較大所以有一些水從那邊滲下去不過這些問題現在到6月底都可以完全解決了\n\n24\n00:07:59,802 --> 00:08:16,140\n確定齁因為我看行政院公共工程委員會的第一次的業務報告裡面就寫的說因為我們A14站結構工程是你們在做嘛然後跟T3航廈他施工順序規劃不當造成進度落後\n\n25\n00:08:17,853 --> 00:08:33,876\n是這樣嗎落後已經是確定了嗎那個是銜接的施工縫的問題那我們本身的部分目前進入落後的部分都已經趕上來所以可以交給我們後續的銜接工程就是鐵道局這邊的工作是沒有什麼問題的\n\n26\n00:08:34,116 --> 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因為看起來112年拿到建造現在建造到目前為止沒拿到還好剛通過了剛剛講一些審議上個禮拜剛好通過了我們希望他最後的一個不管建造建造整個一個審查的過程中我覺得鐵道局也要去\n委員會主席\n陶淵高鐵的兩公頃的廣場那廣場是公設的然後也把它拋出去了所以我們當時很擔心啊我的天啊廣場蓋一蓋不見怎麼辦因為它有很多的功能嘛所以當然協調結果我要拜託部長在有機會能夠接上來第一個要保留兩公頃的廣場而且是靠近高鐵站的當時答應\n第二因為所有的鐵路的廣場甚至高鐵的廣場都會在N年之後當停車不夠的時候會下挖可是你一次招標出去了那我們就希望能夠這一次在國泰人壽一併考慮到未來我們的廣場這個部分當時也答應了第三個直接建置地下連通道到高鐵站\n第4個要增加遊覽車停車空間像遊覽車都沒地方停所以這四個需求要確認一定要做到好不好幫忙督導一下那第二個\n請問一下這個部長這你知道嗎我看到你的報告有寫了齁我們現在集結集結最後一里路事實上兩里了齁一個是要通到我們中壢車站還差一站還差一站但我要謝謝交通部在去年的\n7月31號終於向前推進一站已經進入我們市區了啦那但是跟中壢車站能連接到是非常有具體意義的因為直接跟火車就串接了中南部一些小站的不做高鐵的他也可以透過我們中壢車站直接串接到機場所以他是非常非常有功能的那請問一下現在進度現在確定要延幾年呢\n目前還是以原定計畫117年作為通車目標這裡面有一個關鍵是在逃避計畫的CJ17標下面要把集結通過中壢車站這個位置的結構體一併做出來好你現在因為我們濾捷延伸線\n大月台的方案月台延伸的一個方案我聽說會造成延誤12個月因為報告有寫但是我是覺得值得因為你讓一條捷運進不了中壢車站是一個很奇怪的事所以我們希望你現在還是110預計117年能夠讓機捷通到中壢車站現在目標是這樣沒有變\n117是原來的計畫,剛剛大月台發案延誤12個月的部分,我想我們靠近一點再來做檢討,就目前我們仍然以117作為目標就117或者118,我希望這個目標能夠確認那再來是另外一個A14,就是因為我們現在T3預計在115年年底,預計會完工\n現在到底發生什麼事啊A14站體現在都是機長公司在做了那為什麼行政院工程會的特別報告說這個部長你知道他那邊有沒有發生什麼問題啊\nA14要做一個車站跟我們的T3三航廈有發生什麼問題嗎你知道嗎是不是由機場公司來做說明這問題是在我們在施工的過程當中因為有一些結構它是兩邊要有一個銜接點那這些銜接點它在施工縫的處理上面在前一陣子的時間因為雨量比較大所以有一些水從那邊滲下去不過這些問題現在到6月底都可以完全解決了\n確定齁因為我看行政院公共工程委員會的第一次的業務報告裡面就寫的說因為我們A14站結構工程是你們在做嘛然後跟T3航廈他施工順序規劃不當造成進度落後\n是這樣嗎 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