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00:02:13,052\n這個也是林口人、桃園人、龜山人來往通勤的時候每一次走到交流道都會打結所以我常常想形容就是說一條線上有三個死結我們要逐步把它打開目前林口交流道正在結了五股交流道正在結了那圓山交流道我知道包括重慶北還有就是重慶北路的交流道圓山交流道我們高工局是有一個整套的規劃現在就是計畫什麼時候核定嗎現在已經在設計了對\n\n6\n00:02:17,253 --> 00:02:20,534\n所以合訂了嗎所以總共經費多少錢41.72億41.72億已經確定合訂了那設計那什麼時候可以發包你去年講的時候是說還在等待合訂嘛所以什麼時候合訂的\n\n7\n00:02:43,016 --> 00:02:46,538\n本席其實一直關注我們觀光議題五月底到的時候那時候講是說我們的淨團力復路的淨團力還是遲遲未解\n\n8\n00:03:10,712 --> 00:03:38,529\n那我們現在最近也看到說大陸的藝人這個胡歌虧虧六年來台昨天也看到蠻多人都有去歡迎那甚至我們的海基會董事長鄭文燦也說樂見兩岸善意短期交流審核通過部長有沒有看到這個大陸藝人來台的一個消息胡歌這個我有看到他還說他有台灣腔講話所以對於兩岸的一個交流觀光的部分到底我們目前進團力解除了沒是\n\n9\n00:03:40,468 --> 00:03:59,800\n我們目前是針對6月1號以前有這個6月1號以後是不能再接團對不對不要我們是不鼓勵業者來希望業者不是用廣告來招募新團但是舊有的規劃的團或者是已經組團的什麼意思所以其實部長原來已經規劃的團\n\n10\n00:04:01,301 --> 00:04:26,348\n交流發展觀光我們希望樂見因為我們能夠有團過去對岸也有團過來然後造成我們觀光市場活絡尤其現在6月開始7月有可能是暑假旺季疫情期間大家都苦哈哈嘛我已經不只一次講到觀光旅遊住宿飯店餐飲運輸業者都很辛苦那現在業者會講是說為什麼兩岸淨團體變成惡意螺旋要逼著大家躲在牆角裡面偷吃飯\n\n11\n00:04:27,441 --> 00:04:34,329\n什麼意思你自己解釋也解釋不清啊你到底現在能不能讓業者去招募團去對岸\n\n12\n00:04:35,336 --> 00:05:03,259\n其實我們目前開放的我們開放的程度是比對岸更寬那我們現在開放到什麼程度包括有自由行是都可以沒有限制的到對岸觀光那對岸其實並沒有開放自由行過來那另外團課就是我剛剛講的既有的團或是既有已經規劃的還是可以持續的出團那我們也有彈性的從寬的來認定部長所以現在看起來是我們自己睜一隻眼閉一隻眼\n\n13\n00:05:04,580 --> 00:05:30,841\n放寬不解禁但是你就是明擺著還是有禁團令但實際上你也就是讓業者自由發揮那會不會有相對的風險如果有組團其實就是有相關保險等等是啊那現在就是沒有辦法組團啊他現在是沒有辦法組團你現在只說可以讓業者用自由行但是以往如果能夠組團的話就可以有相關的保險能夠到\n\n14\n00:05:32,022 --> 00:05:32,362\n現在是目前目前來講我們\n\n15\n00:05:55,239 --> 00:06:16,337\n本席不想要拿出來是因為我認為說這個是觀光旅遊相關的行業業者他們的努力但是實際上你真的去上網看一下這不叫組團吶叫什麼結團吶湊團吶就是各旅遊業者在網路上也有這樣的一個廣告\n\n16\n00:06:19,260 --> 00:06:46,240\n那本時不是要你們趕快去抓不是啊本時要凸顯的荒謬點就是說在民進黨政府主政之下你一方面你又沒有辦法禁止但另外一方面你現在又變成是睜一隻眼閉一隻眼那你不就變成是讓我們國人真的如果說有過去中國大陸旅遊的話他反而會變成是他的旅遊權益沒有辦法受到應有的待遇跟保障嗎他有可能如果說發生了旅遊糾紛的話會有沒有保險的一個情況\n\n17\n00:06:48,237 --> 00:06:54,995\n這不是才是我們主管機關業者應該要去重視的嗎所以本席才會在這邊請教到底我們現在政策態度是什麼\n\n18\n00:06:56,690 --> 00:07:23,023\n之前有報名的或是有洽詢的是2月1號開始2月1號以前報名的2月7號以前報名的但是有多少團是2月7號以後報名的你到底現在有沒有查過那時候算是1000團是那現在到底有沒有查過是這一些團有人出去還是都新組團的大概7月跟8月因為現在沒辦法當月來做計算嘛所以一定要隔月對最快的話也是7月底\n\n19\n00:07:24,344 --> 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