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00:02:08,104\n過去是認為增加無障礙車輛的話可能不符合經濟效應那另外一邊還有說法就是會壓縮到一般乘客的座位數那可以理解但是我必須強調在我們的身心障礙權益保護保障法裡面第53條的規定其實蠻明確的我們還是希望這個比例還是要有拉高的可能性因為未來這個高齡化的\n\n6\n00:02:10,365 --> 00:02:39,211\n他不僅是身心障礙者那高齡化的長者可能有時候也會需要類似這樣子的服務所以我們是政府有責無旁貸他不是只照顧多數人而已還有包括照顧弱勢的族群這都是必要而且必須要做的那我必須強調部長上任之後我認為在新任的這樣子的mandate可能很大的狀況之下最好能夠提供一些具體的做法是不是可以兩個禮拜內給我書面報告做相關的檢討\n\n7\n00:02:41,463 --> 00:03:02,172\n我想先請局長跟您報告目前的推動的這個政策好謝謝因為我還有其他的這個包含國道客運的預約機制所以我先簡單回應我大概兩個重點跟委員報告一下第一個部分市區公車的障礙是利用地理板那地理板的部分現在大概75%那未來到2030年全面電動化這些電動化的車子全部都是這個地理板\n\n8\n00:03:02,632 --> 00:03:23,439\n那剛剛委員關鍵的部分是有關於公路客運那公路客運都是我們一般稱為高地板的部分因為他行駛的路線等等的部分他沒辦法用地板那目前這個公路總局的處理方式基本上就是說要去就是說換成這個全部都是有升降梯的那個部分是有他的困難度現在是用單次配置的這個方式先來做一個處理\n\n9\n00:03:24,099 --> 00:03:45,357\n那後面有一些這個路線班次可以更頻密就是說班次更多的那部分我們會督促這個工種來做來做一個處理謝謝你剛剛提到班次我們就來講到這個國道客運的預約機制那如果要用這些無障礙的客運除了搭乘固定班次就剛才你提到的固定班次也可以用預約的方式\n\n10\n00:03:46,314 --> 00:04:15,667\n那近一年用國道客運預約無障礙的車輛的這個數量是115人次那實際搭乘有大概接近500人次也就是說大家實際上面搭乘還是比預約人數多那這是非常正常的現象只是我是說這樣子的空間代表說預約機制還能夠改善還能夠再增加但是我們現在客運的預約管道沒有統一的入口介面比方說台灣好行的網站他無障礙約穿口跟無障礙的班次的時刻在不同的頁面喔\n\n11\n00:04:16,147 --> 00:04:20,191\n公路局官網所統整的國道客運公司的訂票連結每一個客運基本上訂票方式也不同網站其實也沒有做一個統整的\n\n12\n00:04:33,183 --> 00:04:55,672\n所以我是想建議具體建議公路局是不是能夠第一個是不是能夠督促公安署來去確保補充臺灣好行官網的資訊讓這個無障礙預約的這個旅客可以直接點選超連結或者是各種無障礙的公車班次直接可以預約就是說這個就是說使用介面的改善這個是我第一個具體建議第二個我是希望公路局能夠成立一個統一窗口\n\n13\n00:04:56,352 --> 00:05:18,561\n讓各業者的時刻表訂票的連結全部都放在一起不要在所善的分隔在各個不同的網頁上面那最後就是說無障量的車輛當然是絕對數值上面我們當然是希望可以增加但是如果是現有的資源查詢不易或者是讓這個使用率降低那就是浪費所以這幾個部分是不是可以麻煩部長來去做一些改進\n\n14\n00:05:20,114 --> 00:05:23,715\n我請局長先跟您報告目前我們準備整合的方式\n\n15\n00:05:41,741 --> 00:06:07,184\n個人是國防外交委員會那其實有很多外交人員都不斷的跟我們強調我們的巴士的公車站牌的這個識別性部長會看韓文嗎不會不會看韓文嗎那你不需要看因為上面有寫巴士站牌然後上面有管理號碼44560所以你就知道這是什麼意思這一個編號在哪裡我希望未來我們的這一個相關的車站的編號能夠具體的用這樣的數字\n\n16\n00:06:08,385 --> 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