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00:02:25,390\n好謝謝署長那我們請消防署署長這是寶貴的經驗寶貴的時間喔拜託感謝委員對消防這麼關心照顧啊限職人員跟退休人員一樣重要那限職人員我們最近也合得獲得到行政院合定有23個計劃271已經會最近在進行當中那未來對消防人員職業安全福利保障我想會有更多的一個處理措施謝謝好謝謝好那請正次\n\n7\n00:02:26,459 --> 00:02:27,640\n條文及增訂一條條文及增訂一條條文及增訂一條條文及\n\n8\n00:02:47,381 --> 00:02:53,102\n條文修正第三條文修正三條文修正三條文修正三條文修正三條文修正三條文修正三條文修正三條文修正三條文修正三條文\n\n9\n00:03:13,390 --> 00:03:37,069\n大家不要認為只有缺五千個人我們預算切合就到達五千位現有緣額也不足我們用與新北市來舉例新北市四百萬人口只有七千兩百九十位員警平均一位員警要照顧要關心或是執行的時候要配合五百位的我們的新北市民請問一下政治\n\n10\n00:03:37,910 --> 00:04:00,487\n或者是我們的署長以前在學校教的時候是給這樣子我們的警察同仁這樣子的環境說你們以後一個人要顧五百個我們的民眾嗎跟委員報告缺額的部分其實他有蠻多的因素那很多是社會經濟上面的一些誘因的狀況那我們在限職的警消同仁的執行環境上面是讓我們有做很多的努力\n\n11\n00:04:01,087 --> 00:04:01,568\n二）委員\n\n12\n00:04:18,368 --> 00:04:20,309\n三草案案件事條例修正草案案件事條例\n\n13\n00:04:47,406 --> 00:04:49,027\n二）委員蔡英文等19人擬具:「警察人員人事條例第三\n\n14\n00:05:09,642 --> 00:05:10,082\n二）委員\n\n15\n00:05:37,503 --> 00:05:40,927\n條文及增訂一條條文及增訂一條條文及增訂一條條文及\n\n16\n00:05:55,843 --> 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