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過程本席非常清楚。"],["卓院長榮泰：這個時程就是這樣排的。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：要不要而已啦，院長，會不會編入？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們請衛福部研議，照陳前院長指示。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：照陳前院長的指示就是同意喔，他說他要編列喔！"],["卓院長榮泰：他說研議看什麼時候做到什麼程度。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：所以要編列，明年度我們希望看到這個預算。"],["邱部長泰源：我們研議。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：謝謝邱部長，我向你感謝，我們都是共同奮鬥，連卓院長當時是立法委員，我們藍、綠、白都全部合作，所以我們希望能成為亞洲第一個男女共同施打的先進國家，你頻頻點頭，我希望你在編列明年度的預算時納入，甚至在今年如果有預算就可以開始執行，至少明年度預算要編列，OK嗎？會執行吧？"],["邱部長泰源：我們會全力來研議。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：全力研議就是全力執行，是嗎？"],["邱部長泰源：因為公共衛生的議題……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：剛剛卓院長要做你的後盾了，你是在怕什麼？院長已經說了，照陳前院長的指示啊，他的指示你也參與到啊，對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們會照陳前院長的指示研議，但是我剛剛也跟委員報告，明年度的概算不是我們編的，我們現在進到概算的程序當中去檢視。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：好，謝謝。邱部長，你聽到卓院長的支持，我們務必要編預算，成為亞洲第一個，編出來之後預算通過，我們來開一個記者會……"],["邱部長泰源：好，我們全力往這方面來努力，我們全力往這方面來努力。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：讓臺灣在世界上的醫療能夠發光發熱，好不好？尤其在講孩童，我相信你一定做得到的。謝謝。"],["邱部長泰源：好，謝謝。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：接下來我要談電的問題，院長，我非常敬佩郭部長，郭部長講了真心話，他說對於台電用公務預算去撥補，他不太贊成，當然他率性的回答，現在大家都非常支持郭部長，因為郭部長會講真話，而且他是真正在解決問題，他來自產業，我們支持。但是在我們支持之餘，還是要解決問題，在賴總統擔任行政院長時曾經說過，在2017年的時候他說2025年我們的能源配比是再生能源20%等等等，但是王美花部長告訴我們是跳票的，我也在經濟委員會請教郭部長，我問他我們現在要怎麼辦？沒關係，你們承認2025年原先的能源配比是跳票的，我們積極趕快鼓勵再加油，這是我們非常誠意的鼓勵政府。再生能源的部分原本是說20%，你們預計要調降到15.5%，我們也都給予鼓勵，但是其中有個問題，也就是沒有加入AI，瞬息萬變，我也感謝郭部長願意在這個會期7月16號結束之前針對我們的需求電力會給國人一個報告，因為原本111年所說的需求是3,045億度，這是111年，而112年還沒出來，告訴我們2027年的時候會達到3,045億度，可是當時還沒有加入AI，所以郭部長非常誠意的說給一點時間，因為又加入了AI，瞬息萬變，所以我非常敬佩郭部長的坦白，而且願意面對問題、解決問題。","本席有兩個議題要請教，第一個，也就是我們的能源配比在加入AI的導入之後，我們的總量跟能源配比什麼時候會告訴社會大眾？這是第一個。第二個議題，您的好朋友童子賢先生也說了，如果沒有加入核的部分，2050年淨零家園是達不到的，你聽到了吧？你也點頭。所以在這樣的情況之下，會不會考慮非核家園的調整？就這兩個議題，請教院長。"],["卓院長榮泰：第一個議題等一下請您尊敬的郭部長來回答。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：好。"],["卓院長榮泰：至於非核家園，現在依照環境基本法，我們還是要依法朝向非核家園，能夠安全供電、穩定供電是政府的要務，我們必須在安全穩定供電的前提下，發展更多的綠能，我們說展綠、增氣、減煤到非核，這個就是步驟。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：這個都是目前在做的，所以本席告訴你，賴總統擔任行政院長時說的跳票了，我不希望你的回答、你的宣布又是跳票，人民騙一次就夠了，不要再騙了！我們也願意，因為瞬息萬變，我希望我們理性的討論，也希望得到答案，請問會不會調整非核家園？如果AI的用電量很大的話。"],["卓院長榮泰：是，現在科技的進步，有些事情在多少年前是難以預測的，但是我們的法律規定就是朝向非核家園的目標進行，在這個法沒有改的情況下……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：院長，你是一個有能力的人，不要再拿法律來搪塞！今天政府如果需要，法律可以修，對不對？你如果沒有相關的配套，一再的以法律來搪塞，等於當時所設立的通通都跳票了，我們找誰算帳啊？"],["卓院長榮泰：報告委員，這不是拿法律搪塞，我是說在法的規定下，我們用更多的方式，包含展綠、增氣、減煤，這個方式我們都要做。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：你的好朋友童子賢董事長也給你真心的建議，我們現在請郭部長來回應。"],["郭部長智輝：報告委員，我想大家關心的是會不會缺電，我先跟你報告結論，到2030年我們是不會缺電的。我們為什麼這麼講呢？就是我們已經務實的考量用電的需求，2023年到2030年我們的需求大概成長700萬瓩，我們現在的大型機組會淨增910萬瓩。但就如您剛才指導的，我們可能因AI致用電量暴增，所以我們現在正在考量要用280萬瓩作為估算的標準，那280萬瓩要說一次跳掉，這個機率其實幾乎等於零，但是我們還是放寬了電的容量。所以我們有兩個方法，第一個就是用儲電來滿足……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：本席了解，先插斷你的話。你要用ESCO的概念，對不對？"],["郭部長智輝：對。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：你要用ESCO的概念，所以，本席還是要請教您，你現在信心滿滿，我也期待在7月16日以前，你告訴我們總電力以及你的能源配比，這是我非常關心的。"],["郭部長智輝：是。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：也希望，卓院長，到時候經濟部長所公布的，不可以再跳票，就像我說的，嚇一次就死了，不可以再嚇第二次。所以本席還是要請教院長，政府告訴我們，2027年我們的用電是3,042億度，但是並沒有包括AI，在這樣的情況之下，我們的年用電量是不是會提早衝破3,000億度？大約時間點或落點在哪裡？111年度告訴我們的是2027年，現在加上AI的導入，會不會提早衝破3,000億度的需求量？請講。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們現在的用電需求成長率是2.2%左右，未來我們預期整個科技的發展會有更大的需要，所以剛剛……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：所以會提早嘛，會提早……"],["卓院長榮泰：部長已經講到，會用科技儲能跟發展多元綠能等等來處理……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：好，所以換句話，你這個回答也就是會提早衝破3,000億度，對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：這個沒有辦法現在做預估的數字。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：沒有，你轉頭看看你的部長，他一直在點頭，他是專業的……"],["卓院長榮泰：那可能會是一個預估，那我們……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：你轉頭過去看看。"],["卓院長榮泰：我常常看他。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：好。所以我們也希望能夠為產業、為民生的用電安全。","接下來，政見要落實，除役要規劃，台中火力發電廠，我們真的好辛苦，我們也為社會大眾貢獻良多，因為我們當地民眾的健康是我們的寶貝，我們一定要好好顧著。所以，我要請教院長，你提出的這個健康憲章，我一直希望追出來，也就是中火陸續除役的規劃是五年還是十年？因為我們自己有一套減煤方案，每一年燃煤量要遞減，是在臺中市議會通過的，所以我希望政府幫我們規劃，中火除役的規劃是什麼時候，五年還是十年？你做一個完整的報告，然後把書面資料給本席，我們一起朝著這個方向，讓我們臺灣的電、臺灣的能源能夠更加的安靜、乾淨好嗎？書面資料給本席。"],["卓院長榮泰：只跟委員報告一句話，十多年來，臺中的空污量已經減幅65%以上了，當然這部分還要繼續努力……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：對，我們都很努力，但是還不夠，我相信……"],["卓院長榮泰：未來以氣換煤的機組會繼續的增長，所以情況應該是更好。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：對。就是因為會更好，所以我希望縮短時間，你認同嗎？所以你把規劃給本席，好嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們會考慮到安全穩定供電，至於對環境的影響，我們把它降到最低。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：安全穩定供電，你要先把我們人民的安全、健康要留住啊，這是最重要的，好吧？"],["卓院長榮泰：所以對空污的影響，我們會想辦法把它降到最低。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：還好你補充這一點，不然，我真的要給你打「X」了。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：還好你補充這一點。請把書面資料給本席，中火的除役，你的預計計畫表，請書面資料給本席。"],["卓院長榮泰：好的。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：接下來，人民守護民主，我相信這是全臺灣人民最重要的。民進黨不分區的第二名沈伯洋先生說了，到底這是真的假的？他說高風險族群包括在大陸做生意，或者是大陸有來往的人，院長，這是真議題、假議題？這是真議題、假議題？"],["卓院長榮泰：這是一個社會在討論的議題，但是到現在，真正的結論還是要再經過大家共同對於事實狀況的研判。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：如果依照沈伯洋先生所說的，那你卓揆內閣裡頭……"],["卓院長榮泰：我們就會增強國家安全的考慮。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：我會緊張喔，你聽喔，我們鄭副院長的先生沈先生，他也在東莞做生意；我們的郭部長，他生意做得這麼好，他也在大陸有很多的分公司；如果照他的規劃裡頭，我們國發會的劉主委是IBM大中華地區供應鏈諮詢服務的負責人，他是這方面的專家；如果照沈委員的說法，院長，你也去過大陸兩、三次嘛！"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：對啊！那這些人都是危險分子，而且是高危險分子，可以這麼認定嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：沈伯洋委員的定義絕對不是這樣子的……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：他是這麼說啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：他不是說去到中國、跟中國有任何往來的人就是所謂的第五縱隊，絕對不是這樣的定義。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：那他的定義是什麼？那臺灣到底有沒有第五縱隊？"],["卓院長榮泰：他一定是受到某種目的……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：這個第五縱隊的認定，請教是個人立場、政黨立場還是政策立場啊？院長。"],["卓院長榮泰：那一定是有目的、有企圖心的特殊行為，對國家造成傷害，那才會是我們應該去防範的潛在性危險。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：因為他說在高風險族群裡頭，請你注意聽，宮廟危險最低，黑道、陸配在中間，村里長、立委和大學教授是最高風險，你認同嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我尊重委員各種言論上表示出來的意見。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：你尊重他，但是你聽起來，你認為臺灣可以如此嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：臺灣有臺灣的問題跟現象，因為兩岸之間的敏感性……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：臺灣的民主可以有這樣子的說法嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們有我們遇到的問題跟現象，包括所有的國安團隊持續都在重視這樣的現象，我們的責任就是在防範讓它不會成為嚴重的威脅。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：臺灣當然是一個民主國家，講什麼都可以，但是如果任意的、惡意的貼標籤，會危害到臺灣的民主，也會危害到臺灣整個的安全度，你認不認同？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們當然希望在尊重每個人的言論自由之外，尊重個人的人權保護、言論自由的保護都要同時並進。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：都要同時並進嘛！院長，所以你要小心喔！因為這是你們貴黨的不分區立法委員所說的，真的是讓人民人心惶惶，讓那些教授都人心惶惶，你看可以嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：所有委員的提醒，我們都會很慎重的當作很重要的事情來做研判。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：好，很慎重，所以我也認同你的很慎重，但是務必不要再製造人民的恐慌，好嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我是要讓人民安心。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：所以我做一個結論，所謂的第五縱隊，在你目前執政的政府是沒有這回事，可以這麼解讀嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們有不同潛在的威脅，但是不一定要用這樣的名稱來涵蓋這些不是在定義裡面的人，所以我們……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：所以是不認同的嘛！對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們還是要針對國家的安全負責任。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：當然，國家的安全非常重要。"],["卓院長榮泰：像陸委會每天的問題就會很多，主委也知道，問題就會很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00:02:05,082\n大概大小平均值來計算那你大概呢需要40億的經費那這個40億的經費呢你如果一年跑到你只有2億的話那你等於要編列多少年啊?你等於要編列多少年?等於要編列20年\n\n6\n00:02:06,463 --> 00:02:06,483\n謝謝委員\n\n7\n00:02:34,195 --> 00:02:34,596\n這個狀況非常好!\n\n8\n00:02:50,642 --> 00:03:09,954\n國際到現在對於很多學校在興辦這個體育設施的更新當中過去一段時間我們用了很多的前瞻基礎建設但是也有很多應該是地方自治事項如果中央地方能夠合力來針對不同的學校不同的教育是體育設施能夠來分別來處理的話那這個時間會更短而且將來\n\n9\n00:03:11,074 --> 00:03:38,485\n在體育部成立之後我想我們會用另外一種視野跟眼光來看體育部相關的預算你希望時間更短你聽到本期的精髓如果一年只有2億的一個補助我們要400個學校要20年20年又有其他的學校又產生還是要有協助所以你聽到精髓時間要縮短所以本期具體跟你建議你應該要編列專案預算給校園操場的修繕你同意嗎\n\n10\n00:03:40,004 --> 00:04:07,367\n我們會看國家的財政狀況跟地方怎麼來配合。你同意嗎?是不是?往這個方向努力。往這個方向努力。小孩子、體育、教育都更好。你可以大膽一點的來說,你是同意的嘛。往這個方向來努力。大方向大家都會同意。好,你就說我們兩個在選打嘛。那你卓議員長我的解讀可以這麼說,你是同意我們要以專案的方式來協助這些操場的這個修建、布建。\n\n11\n00:04:07,807 --> 00:04:09,829\n謝謝方向同意,我也希望你去執行制。接下來本席請問你,因為目前為止我們的這個大安會裡頭告訴我們幼兒的學童\n\n12\n00:04:24,326 --> 00:04:53,686\n右耳的學童我看到了一個問題也就是我們學校周邊的這個環境臺灣都市計劃內所有的人行到總長度是8000公里我們現在目前完成的只有500多公里所以你的占比達不到7%在這樣的一個情況達不到7%所以本席我們被先封為什麼人間這個煉獄但是我們看到一個兒童的問題\n\n13\n00:05:13,021 --> 00:05:39,085\n本席要見請卓院長,我們孩子都是我們的寶貝。我們要怎麼樣讓他能夠安全,尤其在少子化的現在。我們的數字是增加,你又不憂心啊?又不憂心?憂心。那既然是憂心了,我們就要好好的來把這些周邊來布建好,好不好?應該加強就像剛才所說的數字年限,經費要增加,年限要縮短。\n\n14\n00:05:40,739 --> 00:05:54,473\n報告委員行人跟學童的安全我們會列為現在即將要做的工作當中交通部已經有一個相當完整而清楚的計畫如果容許交通部昨天我也本席也親自到交通委員會去\n\n15\n00:05:55,114 --> 00:06:10,434\n跟部長討論的這個問題那部長也認識到這個問題是需要加強所以你詳實將你預計要怎麼做縮短時間趕快布建讓我們的兒童得以安心好不好讓家長安心兒童安全將書面資料給本席好嗎\n\n16\n00:06:12,115 --> 00:06:30,148\n接下來本席要請教律法院好不容易藍、綠、白的委員都同意。在前任的行政院院長陳建仁先生以及我們前任的薛部長魏吾普都同意。\n\n17\n00:06:30,828 --> 00:06:59,657\n而且預計要在今年編列預算編列明年度的預算所以你看到這個畫面很難得藍綠白全國家長聯盟共同來支持的這個政策也就是HPV的疫苗當時早期我相信邱部長早期也跟我們奮鬥到早期說因為經費的問題所以我們從國中的女生開始打\n\n18\n00:07:24,309 --> 00:07:24,549\n報告委員\n\n19\n00:07:49,775 --> 00:08:18,388\n我也記得陳前院長曾經提議答應說要延役當女生達到90%之後往男生這個在延役那現在所以現在就是衛福部會接續陳前院長這樣的決定繼續還在做一些就同意要編列預算男生一併打我們會成為一個非常光榮因為總統說了我們要有什麼呢我們要做健康憲章對不對\n\n20\n00:08:20,048 --> 00:08:48,096\n是的,健康憲章所以兩個議題請教大家有共識非常好也就是大家努力的成果我們女生達到九成以上的男生必須要執行之編列預算成為亞洲區第一個男女共打保護我們孩童施打HPV疫苗的先進國家所以我兩個議題請教第一個我們的健康憲章卓院長什麼時候會出來第二個我們的預算編列多少請教\n\n21\n00:08:48,902 --> 00:09:06,935\n第一個,我們在健康台灣的論壇當中已經講到深化這個健康台灣這個議題當中,健康現障是一個頂重要的。什麼時候會出來?衛福部,剛接手的衛福部一定要馬上再進行相關的營運。這個馬上是多久?衛福部說明。我可以讓邱部長您說。\n\n22\n00:09:08,204 --> 00:09:13,226\n請告訴我時間好嗎?你預計你們的KPI什麼時候可以出來給國人報告?告訴我時間點好嗎?什麼時候可以告訴國人?\n\n23\n00:09:28,279 --> 00:09:49,848\n因為這個可能出來以後還要經過更多專家討論當然所以我只要院長我只要你告訴我一個時間點是年底還是第三季什麼時候可以出來讓國人了解報告委員這個我剛剛說過健康台灣的論壇之極全國所有的醫學的專家先做出這樣的結論出來之後這是一個非常審慎的工作\n\n24\n00:09:58,111 --> 00:09:58,772\n拜託委員一下,像我們\n\n25\n00:10:16,086 --> 00:10:16,426\n沒關係,我們做任何事情,總院長。\n\n26\n00:10:31,189 --> 00:10:53,249\n一個月出來炒稿院長我謝謝你們我們一定要好好努力做但是我希望我們新政府做事情還是要有KPI的指標大概什麼時間會出來現在邱部長給我一個答案一個月內會出來炒案那炒案之後大概什麼時候今年年底會不會出來\n\n27\n00:10:55,049 --> 00:11:22,041\n我們就是要跟社會做對話,我們努力讓它盡快的實現,但是社會的意見我們要尊重。好,邱部長,你有沒有設定你自己的KPI時間點?我想健康憲章這個部分我們以前做過太多,像每一個地區也有健康,像北投也有健康憲章。部長,你現在不是邱立法委員,你現在是邱部長,你想一想沒關係,你書面資料給本席,至少你回答本席。\n\n28\n00:11:23,021 --> 00:11:42,061\n健康憲章的草案一個月內會出來,好不好?接下來怎麼樣正式,你再順便資料給本席。第二個議題,HPAP的預算,疫苗,男生的預算,這4億多,沒有多少錢。請問編了沒?編了沒?部長\n\n29\n00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:55,633\n現在那個我想而且非常感謝因為HPV對男生的一個預防請教你現在是部長請政策回答你編了沒預算\n\n30\n00:11:57,847 --> 00:11:58,327\n我們現在正在編擬預算的當中﹖\n\n31\n00:12:27,807 --> 00:12:28,087\n韓國瑜主席\n\n32\n00:13:06,757 --> 00:13:22,477\n會執行吧?會全力來研議。全力研議,就是全力執行,是嗎?因為剛剛卓院長在你的屁股啊,你是在嚇死了啦。院長已經說了,照陳前院長的指示啦,他的指示你也參與到啊,對不對?\n\n33\n00:13:23,098 --> 00:13:41,386\n我們會造成監獄長此事演繹,但是我剛剛跟委員報告,這要編的預算。我們現在不是我們編的,我們現在進到概算的程序來解釋。好,謝謝。舊副長,你聽到左院長的支持,我們務必要編,成為亞洲第一個。編出來之後預算通過,我們來開一個記者會。\n\n34\n00:13:44,028 --> 00:14:05,886\n讓臺灣在世界上的醫療能夠發光發熱,好不好?尤其在蔣海同,我相信你一定做得到的。接下來我們要談電的問題。電的問題,院長,我非常的敬佩郭部長。郭部長說,他講真心話,他說這個台電公共預算局博普他不太贊成。\n\n35\n00:14:07,575 --> 00:14:26,933\n當然他率性的這個回答所以我們現在目前大家都非常的支持郭部長因為郭部長他會講真話而且他是真正在解決問題他來自產業我們支持我們支持之餘還是要解決問題在賴總統擔任行政院長的時候他曾經說過了\n\n36\n00:14:28,860 --> 00:14:44,769\n他前天說過他告訴我們在2017年的時候他說2025年我們的能源配比再生能源20%等等等但是王美花部長告訴我們是跳票的所以我也在經濟委員會請教了我們的郭部長\n\n37\n00:14:45,669 --> 00:15:04,662\n我說,那我們現在怎麼辦?沒關係,你們承認2025年原先的能源配比是跳票的。我們積極趕快鼓勵再加油。這是我們非常誠意的鼓勵政府。所以再生能源的部分從20%你們預估要調降到這個15.5%。我們也都給予鼓勵,但是其中有一個問題。\n\n38\n00:15:11,894 --> 00:15:26,538\n也就是沒有加入AI訊息萬變我也感謝郭部長他願意在這個會期7月16日之前會給國人一個報告我們的需求電力因為原先111年所說的3045億度的需求度這個是111年因為112年還沒出來\n\n39\n00:15:34,660 --> 00:16:03,237\n那麼告訴我們是2027年的時候會超過會達到3045億度可是還沒有加入AI所以郭部長非常誠意的說給一點時間因為又加入了AI訊息萬變所以我非常的敬佩郭部長他的坦白而且願意面對問題解決問題所以有兩個議題要請教第一個也就是我們的能源配比\n\n40\n00:16:03,917 --> 00:16:07,000\n您的好朋友童子賢先生也說了如果沒有加入這個核的部分\n\n41\n00:16:24,139 --> 00:16:50,902\n那麼要在2050年淨零這個家園是打不到的你聽到吧你也點頭所以在這樣的一個情況之下會不會考慮非核家園的一個調整就這兩個議題請教院長第一個議題請等一下請您尊敬的這個郭部長來回答非核家園現在依照我們的環境基本法我們還是要依法朝向非核家園\n\n42\n00:16:51,994 --> 00:17:16,617\n那要讓我們安全的供電穩定供電這是政府的要務我們必須在這個安全穩定供電的前提之下發展更多的綠能我們說展綠、蒸汽、減煤到非常這個就是步驟所以本期告訴你賴總統擔任行政院長的時候跳票了我不希望你的回答你的宣布又是跳票人民騙一次就夠了不要再騙了\n\n43\n00:17:17,698 --> 00:17:31,554\n我們也願意因為訊息萬變所以我希望我們非常理性的討論我希望得到答案會不會調整非核家園如果AI的用電量\n\n44\n00:17:33,201 --> 00:17:52,077\n現在科技的進步有些事情在多少年前是難以預測的。但是我們的法律規定就是朝向非核家園進步。院長你是一個有能力的人不要再拿法律來搪塞。今天政府如果需要法律可以修。\n\n45\n00:17:53,254 --> 00:18:18,021\n對不對?你如果沒有這樣相關配套,你一再的只有以法律來搪塞,那等於當時所設立的你通通都挑票了,我們找誰算帳啊?這不是拿法律搪塞,我是說我們在法的規定之下,我們用更多的方式,包括閃綠、蒸汽、減煤,這個方式我們都要做。你的好朋友也給你這個真心話的建議,童子行董事長。那我們現在就請郭部長。\n\n46\n00:18:19,945 --> 00:18:37,722\n報告委員我想這個大家關心的是說會不會缺電我先給你報告這個結論到2030年我們是不會缺電的那這個我們為什麼這麼講呢就是說我們已經務實的考量用電的需求那麼2023年到2030年我們這個需求大概成長700萬千瓦\n\n47\n00:18:43,929 --> 00:19:00,470\n我們現在的大型機組會競爭910萬千瓦,但就如您剛才指導的,我們可能這個AI暴增,所以我們現在在考量我們用280萬千瓦作為我們大概考量的一個標準。\n\n48\n00:19:02,349 --> 00:19:22,879\n那這個280萬千瓦要說一次跳掉這個機率其實是幾乎是等於零但是我們還是放寬了這個電的這個容量所以我們有兩個方法第一個就是用這個除電除電\n\n49\n00:19:24,904 --> 00:19:47,600\n本期瞭解差端你的話。你要用ESCO的概念。對不對?你用ESCO的概念所以本期還是要請教您。您現在信心滿滿。我也期待在7月16日以前你告訴我們總電力以及你的能源配比。這個是我非常關心。也希望卓議員長到時候經濟部長所公布的不可以再跳票。我講會怕一片就死啊。\n\n50\n00:19:48,180 --> 00:20:11,955\n不可以再下第二次所以本下還在請教院長也就是告訴我們的2027年我們的用電是3042億度但是是沒有包括AI在這樣的一個情況之下我們年用電量是不是會提早衝破3000億度大約時間點或落點在哪裡現在111年度告訴我們的是\n\n51\n00:20:13,417 --> 00:20:19,585\n2027年那現在加入AI導入會不會提早衝破3000億度的需求量?\n\n52\n00:20:20,287 --> 00:20:46,292\n請講我們現在的需求生產量是2.2左右吧那未來我們預期整個工科技的發展會有更大的需要所以剛剛部長已經講到會要科技的儲能跟發展都能多度綠能所以換句話你這個回答也就是會提早衝破3000億度對不對沒有沒有你轉頭看看你的部長他一直在點頭一直轉過來你轉頭過去看看\n\n53\n00:20:49,414 --> 00:21:01,510\n所以我們也希望能夠為產業為民生用電安全。接下來政見要落實處理式規劃臺中火力發電廠我們真的好辛苦\n\n54\n00:21:02,594 --> 00:21:25,677\n我們也為社會大眾貢獻良多因為我們當地的健康是我們的寶貝我們一定要好好顧著所以我要請教院長你提出的這個健康憲章我一直希望追出來也就是說中火陸續除疫的規劃是5年還是10年因為我們自己有一套的減煤每一年遞減\n\n55\n00:21:46,718 --> 00:21:49,519\n我希望縮短時間你認同嗎?所以你把規劃給本席好嗎?\n\n56\n00:22:12,925 --> 00:22:17,395\n我們會考慮到安全穩定供電那麼對環境的影響我們把它降到最低\n\n57\n00:22:18,356 --> 00:22:19,957\n民進黨的部分區的第二名沈博洋先生他說了\n\n58\n00:22:46,598 --> 00:22:53,886\n到底這是真的假的?他說高風險族群包括在大陸做生意或者是大陸有來往的人。院長這真議題假議題啊?\n\n59\n00:22:57,543 --> 00:23:25,746\n這是真議題假議題這是一個社會在討論的議題但是到現在真正的結論還是在經過大家共同對事實狀況的研判對事實狀況如果依照沈博亮先生所說的那你走回內閣裡頭我會緊張你聽你聽我們的政府院長的先生沈先生他也在東莞做生意我們的郭部長他生意做得這麼好他也在大陸有很多的分公司\n\n60\n00:23:26,767 --> 00:23:46,568\n那如果照他的規劃裡頭那我們國防會的劉主委他在IBM這個專家在整個這個大台東地區大中華地區他供應鏈他諮詢服務他是負責人類那如果照他的說法院長你也去過大陸兩三次嗎?是\n\n61\n00:23:47,765 --> 00:23:53,967\n對啊那這些都是危險分子欸高危險分子欸可以這麼論定嗎?可以這麼論定嗎?他是這麼說啊那他的定義是什麼?\n\n62\n00:24:05,725 --> 00:24:07,385\n因為他說高風險族群裡頭你注意聽喔公廟危險最低黑道\n\n63\n00:24:34,131 --> 00:25:02,440\n陸培在中間。陳里長立委和大學教授是最高風險。你認同嗎?我尊重委員各種言論上表示出來的意見。你尊重他但是你聽起來你認為台灣可以如此嗎?台灣有台灣的問題跟現象因為台灣的民主可以這樣子說法嗎?我們有我們遇到的問題跟現象那包括所有的國安團隊持續都在重視這樣的現象我們的責任就是在防範讓它不會成為嚴重的威脅。\n\n64\n00:25:03,473 --> 00:25:32,266\n台灣當然是一個民主國家講什麼都可以但是如果危害任意的惡意的貼標籤會危害到台灣的民主也會危害到台灣整個的安全度你認不認同我們當然希望尊重每個人的言論自由之外尊重個別人的人權的保護言論自由的保護都要同時並進都要同時並進嘛所以院長你要小心喔因為這是你們貴黨的立法委員部分區的說的讓人民人心惶惶欸\n\n65\n00:25:34,221 --> 00:26:00,170\n你讓那些教授都人心惶惶,你看可以嗎?好,很慎重,所以我也認同你的很慎重,但是務必,務必不要再製造人民的恐慌,好嗎?所以我在一個結論,所謂的第五縱隊,你的安心,所謂的第五縱隊在你目前執政的政府是沒有這回事,可以這麼解讀嗎?\n\n66\n00:26:01,308 --> 00:26:04,755\n我們有不同潛在的威脅但不一定要用這樣的名稱來涵蓋\n\n67\n00:26:06,718 --> 00:26:07,298\n接下來我要講的我們的產業\n\n68\n00:26:36,550 --> 00:26:54,226\n我們都非常希望臺灣一進棒的臺灣的隱形冠軍太多了臺灣的發明臺灣的在全世界裡頭不得了了最近這AI進來這5個全世界的首戶前10名都是我們臺灣感動的不得了太光榮了對不對\n\n69\n00:26:54,943 --> 00:27:20,363\n完全對,而且我們的中小企業也有相當的光榮感。對,我也給郭部長講,我們除了AAA,我們除了科學之外,我們的中小產業,台灣的產業是所重要照顧的,院長對不對?對不對?我們的中小企業,你連這個都不敢回答。我們的中小企業在地的產業,我們政府要全力的支持他們,對不對?院長?院長?\n\n70\n00:27:22,441 --> 00:27:41,530\n是我們不僅中小企業我們連中小微企業都不希望在這個AI轉型的過程當中受到傷害所以所謂的以大代小這個概念非常好那本集要請教我們很榮耀但是亞洲地區是我們科技創新最快的可是我們看到企業創投\n\n71\n00:27:42,776 --> 00:28:01,283\n他所發布的、執行長所發布的五個國家沒有我們耶!怎麼回事啊?有印尼、有越南、有日本、有韓國、有印度!不管人才!他都講別人耶!怎麼沒有講到我們台灣這怎麼回事?繼續努力啊!繼續努力有什麼方案?\n\n72\n00:28:02,813 --> 00:28:04,054\n因為這個國外的大廠來臺灣他是要用我們的人才\n\n73\n00:28:18,323 --> 00:28:33,634\n我們現在是說這個人才齁臺灣因為我們稍微……請針對問題郭部長你現在所謂的人才分析知道你說要培養20萬人然後18萬人是在工廠裡頭高階的你給他比例50%50%這分析非常清楚但是我要給院長講的是說世界的評比沒有看到臺灣\n\n74\n00:28:39,517 --> 00:29:05,435\n我很愤慨我們這麼好怎麼會沒有我們的所以我請院長你要努力你要努力不要只有自嗨我們要努力好不好好不好一起努力一起努力接下來最後一個議題危險邊坡我們在陸續發生了這些事情從4級5級6級7級這些的次數我都不忍心講院長我請你\n\n75\n00:29:06,636 --> 00:29:25,128\n我請你組專案。這是人民安全的問題。這是人民安全的問題。你必須要組專案去解決協助這些問題。因為沒有生命什麼都不用講了。一走過去癱下來完蛋了。對不對?我看到你臉慢慢的沉重起來。\n\n76\n00:29:26,363 --> 00:29:49,188\n不是,看到這種危險的地方當然我們會感同身受。至於具體的措施,交通部從過去到現在已經有相當的作用。朱部長,你也是專家。我希望我本席提出國土安全的問題,鞭破這麼危險,我希望你把書面資料給本席,你去盤點。因為我們經過921,我們的中橫還沒有通,我們都很緊張。\n\n77\n00:29:51,929 --> 00:30:21,418\n好不好因為中文通我們臺灣全部都通這是務必要做的好不好針對包括像高鐵、台鐵、高速公路跟一般的省道、公路有各種邊坡我們現在都有監測努力去做因為他的數字我不忍心講出來你把書面資料給本席院長最後一個功課給你本席在經濟委員會大任召委超失的檔案到昨天為止我們也到現場考察\n\n78\n00:30:22,318 --> 00:30:22,598\n我們現在休息10分鐘。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5868\t6649\t麻煩再請卓院長備選。\n32455\t47614\t委員長好恭喜你我們首先來看我們的孩子因為投資教育希望永遠在這是我非常堅持的一個理念所以守護學童安全校園我們看到目前在全國裡頭\n48815\t63462\t大概有400個校園他急需要跑道的一個整修但是我們也看到也聽到賴總統說體育暨運動發展部他希望要明確來提出成立是不是\n64428\t91334\t我們在努力也希望大院能夠協助一起來把這個組織法調整將來可以上路。組織法調整就表示說大家看到這個問題點是重要的那我們有共識喔所以我們看到呢如果說我們未來預計你將要編列200億的預算對不對好200億的預算但是我們看到你目前所編列的大概一年是兩億\n92534\t109189\t﹚楊瓔\n109329\t125082\t大概大小平均值來計算那你大概呢需要40億的經費那這個40億的經費呢你如果一年跑到你只有2億的話那你等於要編列多少年啊?你等於要編列多少年?等於要編列20年\n126463\t126483\t謝謝委員\n154195\t154596\t這個狀況非常好!\n170642\t189954\t國際到現在對於很多學校在興辦這個體育設施的更新當中過去一段時間我們用了很多的前瞻基礎建設但是也有很多應該是地方自治事項如果中央地方能夠合力來針對不同的學校不同的教育是體育設施能夠來分別來處理的話那這個時間會更短而且將來\n191074\t218485\t在體育部成立之後我想我們會用另外一種視野跟眼光來看體育部相關的預算你希望時間更短你聽到本期的精髓如果一年只有2億的一個補助我們要400個學校要20年20年又有其他的學校又產生還是要有協助所以你聽到精髓時間要縮短所以本期具體跟你建議你應該要編列專案預算給校園操場的修繕你同意嗎\n220004\t247367\t我們會看國家的財政狀況跟地方怎麼來配合。你同意嗎?是不是?往這個方向努力。往這個方向努力。小孩子、體育、教育都更好。你可以大膽一點的來說,你是同意的嘛。往這個方向來努力。大方向大家都會同意。好,你就說我們兩個在選打嘛。那你卓議員長我的解讀可以這麼說,你是同意我們要以專案的方式來協助這些操場的這個修建、布建。\n247807\t249829\t謝謝方向同意,我也希望你去執行制。接下來本席請問你,因為目前為止我們的這個大安會裡頭告訴我們幼兒的學童\n264326\t293686\t右耳的學童我看到了一個問題也就是我們學校周邊的這個環境臺灣都市計劃內所有的人行到總長度是8000公里我們現在目前完成的只有500多公里所以你的占比達不到7%在這樣的一個情況達不到7%所以本席我們被先封為什麼人間這個煉獄但是我們看到一個兒童的問題\n294206\t312125\t﹚楊瓔\n313021\t339085\t本席要見請卓院長,我們孩子都是我們的寶貝。我們要怎麼樣讓他能夠安全,尤其在少子化的現在。我們的數字是增加,你又不憂心啊?又不憂心?憂心。那既然是憂心了,我們就要好好的來把這些周邊來布建好,好不好?應該加強就像剛才所說的數字年限,經費要增加,年限要縮短。\n340739\t354473\t報告委員行人跟學童的安全我們會列為現在即將要做的工作當中交通部已經有一個相當完整而清楚的計畫如果容許交通部昨天我也本席也親自到交通委員會去\n355114\t370434\t跟部長討論的這個問題那部長也認識到這個問題是需要加強所以你詳實將你預計要怎麼做縮短時間趕快布建讓我們的兒童得以安心好不好讓家長安心兒童安全將書面資料給本席好嗎\n372115\t390148\t接下來本席要請教律法院好不容易藍、綠、白的委員都同意。在前任的行政院院長陳建仁先生以及我們前任的薛部長魏吾普都同意。\n390828\t419657\t而且預計要在今年編列預算編列明年度的預算所以你看到這個畫面很難得藍綠白全國家長聯盟共同來支持的這個政策也就是HPV的疫苗當時早期我相信邱部長早期也跟我們奮鬥到早期說因為經費的問題所以我們從國中的女生開始打\n420077\t444189\t﹚楊瓔\n444309\t444549\t報告委員\n469775\t498388\t我也記得陳前院長曾經提議答應說要延役當女生達到90%之後往男生這個在延役那現在所以現在就是衛福部會接續陳前院長這樣的決定繼續還在做一些就同意要編列預算男生一併打我們會成為一個非常光榮因為總統說了我們要有什麼呢我們要做健康憲章對不對\n500048\t528096\t是的,健康憲章所以兩個議題請教大家有共識非常好也就是大家努力的成果我們女生達到九成以上的男生必須要執行之編列預算成為亞洲區第一個男女共打保護我們孩童施打HPV疫苗的先進國家所以我兩個議題請教第一個我們的健康憲章卓院長什麼時候會出來第二個我們的預算編列多少請教\n528902\t546935\t第一個,我們在健康台灣的論壇當中已經講到深化這個健康台灣這個議題當中,健康現障是一個頂重要的。什麼時候會出來?衛福部,剛接手的衛福部一定要馬上再進行相關的營運。這個馬上是多久?衛福部說明。我可以讓邱部長您說。\n548204\t553226\t請告訴我時間好嗎?你預計你們的KPI什麼時候可以出來給國人報告?告訴我時間點好嗎?什麼時候可以告訴國人?\n568279\t589848\t因為這個可能出來以後還要經過更多專家討論當然所以我只要院長我只要你告訴我一個時間點是年底還是第三季什麼時候可以出來讓國人了解報告委員這個我剛剛說過健康台灣的論壇之極全國所有的醫學的專家先做出這樣的結論出來之後這是一個非常審慎的工作\n598111\t598772\t拜託委員一下,像我們\n616086\t616426\t沒關係,我們做任何事情,總院長。\n631189\t653249\t一個月出來炒稿院長我謝謝你們我們一定要好好努力做但是我希望我們新政府做事情還是要有KPI的指標大概什麼時間會出來現在邱部長給我一個答案一個月內會出來炒案那炒案之後大概什麼時候今年年底會不會出來\n655049\t682041\t我們就是要跟社會做對話,我們努力讓它盡快的實現,但是社會的意見我們要尊重。好,邱部長,你有沒有設定你自己的KPI時間點?我想健康憲章這個部分我們以前做過太多,像每一個地區也有健康,像北投也有健康憲章。部長,你現在不是邱立法委員,你現在是邱部長,你想一想沒關係,你書面資料給本席,至少你回答本席。\n683021\t702061\t健康憲章的草案一個月內會出來,好不好?接下來怎麼樣正式,你再順便資料給本席。第二個議題,HPAP的預算,疫苗,男生的預算,這4億多,沒有多少錢。請問編了沒?編了沒?部長\n705559\t715633\t現在那個我想而且非常感謝因為HPV對男生的一個預防請教你現在是部長請政策回答你編了沒預算\n717847\t718327\t我們現在正在編擬預算的當中﹖\n747807\t748087\t韓國瑜主席\n768012\t785333\t﹚楊瓔\n786757\t802477\t會執行吧?會全力來研議。全力研議,就是全力執行,是嗎?因為剛剛卓院長在你的屁股啊,你是在嚇死了啦。院長已經說了,照陳前院長的指示啦,他的指示你也參與到啊,對不對?\n803098\t821386\t我們會造成監獄長此事演繹,但是我剛剛跟委員報告,這要編的預算。我們現在不是我們編的,我們現在進到概算的程序來解釋。好,謝謝。舊副長,你聽到左院長的支持,我們務必要編,成為亞洲第一個。編出來之後預算通過,我們來開一個記者會。\n824028\t845886\t讓臺灣在世界上的醫療能夠發光發熱,好不好?尤其在蔣海同,我相信你一定做得到的。接下來我們要談電的問題。電的問題,院長,我非常的敬佩郭部長。郭部長說,他講真心話,他說這個台電公共預算局博普他不太贊成。\n847575\t866933\t當然他率性的這個回答所以我們現在目前大家都非常的支持郭部長因為郭部長他會講真話而且他是真正在解決問題他來自產業我們支持我們支持之餘還是要解決問題在賴總統擔任行政院長的時候他曾經說過了\n868860\t884769\t他前天說過他告訴我們在2017年的時候他說2025年我們的能源配比再生能源20%等等等但是王美花部長告訴我們是跳票的所以我也在經濟委員會請教了我們的郭部長\n885669\t904662\t我說,那我們現在怎麼辦?沒關係,你們承認2025年原先的能源配比是跳票的。我們積極趕快鼓勵再加油。這是我們非常誠意的鼓勵政府。所以再生能源的部分從20%你們預估要調降到這個15.5%。我們也都給予鼓勵,但是其中有一個問題。\n911894\t926538\t也就是沒有加入AI訊息萬變我也感謝郭部長他願意在這個會期7月16日之前會給國人一個報告我們的需求電力因為原先111年所說的3045億度的需求度這個是111年因為112年還沒出來\n934660\t963237\t那麼告訴我們是2027年的時候會超過會達到3045億度可是還沒有加入AI所以郭部長非常誠意的說給一點時間因為又加入了AI訊息萬變所以我非常的敬佩郭部長他的坦白而且願意面對問題解決問題所以有兩個議題要請教第一個也就是我們的能源配比\n963917\t967000\t您的好朋友童子賢先生也說了如果沒有加入這個核的部分\n984139\t1010902\t那麼要在2050年淨零這個家園是打不到的你聽到吧你也點頭所以在這樣的一個情況之下會不會考慮非核家園的一個調整就這兩個議題請教院長第一個議題請等一下請您尊敬的這個郭部長來回答非核家園現在依照我們的環境基本法我們還是要依法朝向非核家園\n1011994\t1036617\t那要讓我們安全的供電穩定供電這是政府的要務我們必須在這個安全穩定供電的前提之下發展更多的綠能我們說展綠、蒸汽、減煤到非常這個就是步驟所以本期告訴你賴總統擔任行政院長的時候跳票了我不希望你的回答你的宣布又是跳票人民騙一次就夠了不要再騙了\n1037698\t1051554\t我們也願意因為訊息萬變所以我希望我們非常理性的討論我希望得到答案會不會調整非核家園如果AI的用電量\n1053201\t1072077\t現在科技的進步有些事情在多少年前是難以預測的。但是我們的法律規定就是朝向非核家園進步。院長你是一個有能力的人不要再拿法律來搪塞。今天政府如果需要法律可以修。\n1073254\t1098021\t對不對?你如果沒有這樣相關配套,你一再的只有以法律來搪塞,那等於當時所設立的你通通都挑票了,我們找誰算帳啊?這不是拿法律搪塞,我是說我們在法的規定之下,我們用更多的方式,包括閃綠、蒸汽、減煤,這個方式我們都要做。你的好朋友也給你這個真心話的建議,童子行董事長。那我們現在就請郭部長。\n1099945\t1117722\t報告委員我想這個大家關心的是說會不會缺電我先給你報告這個結論到2030年我們是不會缺電的那這個我們為什麼這麼講呢就是說我們已經務實的考量用電的需求那麼2023年到2030年我們這個需求大概成長700萬千瓦\n1123929\t1140470\t我們現在的大型機組會競爭910萬千瓦,但就如您剛才指導的,我們可能這個AI暴增,所以我們現在在考量我們用280萬千瓦作為我們大概考量的一個標準。\n1142349\t1162879\t那這個280萬千瓦要說一次跳掉這個機率其實是幾乎是等於零但是我們還是放寬了這個電的這個容量所以我們有兩個方法第一個就是用這個除電除電\n1164904\t1187600\t本期瞭解差端你的話。你要用ESCO的概念。對不對?你用ESCO的概念所以本期還是要請教您。您現在信心滿滿。我也期待在7月16日以前你告訴我們總電力以及你的能源配比。這個是我非常關心。也希望卓議員長到時候經濟部長所公布的不可以再跳票。我講會怕一片就死啊。\n1188180\t1211955\t不可以再下第二次所以本下還在請教院長也就是告訴我們的2027年我們的用電是3042億度但是是沒有包括AI在這樣的一個情況之下我們年用電量是不是會提早衝破3000億度大約時間點或落點在哪裡現在111年度告訴我們的是\n1213417\t1219585\t2027年那現在加入AI導入會不會提早衝破3000億度的需求量?\n1220287\t1246292\t請講我們現在的需求生產量是2.2左右吧那未來我們預期整個工科技的發展會有更大的需要所以剛剛部長已經講到會要科技的儲能跟發展都能多度綠能所以換句話你這個回答也就是會提早衝破3000億度對不對沒有沒有你轉頭看看你的部長他一直在點頭一直轉過來你轉頭過去看看\n1249414\t1261510\t所以我們也希望能夠為產業為民生用電安全。接下來政見要落實處理式規劃臺中火力發電廠我們真的好辛苦\n1262594\t1285677\t我們也為社會大眾貢獻良多因為我們當地的健康是我們的寶貝我們一定要好好顧著所以我要請教院長你提出的這個健康憲章我一直希望追出來也就是說中火陸續除疫的規劃是5年還是10年因為我們自己有一套的減煤每一年遞減\n1286698\t1306578\t﹚楊瓔\n1306718\t1309519\t我希望縮短時間你認同嗎?所以你把規劃給本席好嗎?\n1332925\t1337395\t我們會考慮到安全穩定供電那麼對環境的影響我們把它降到最低\n1338356\t1339957\t民進黨的部分區的第二名沈博洋先生他說了\n1366598\t1373886\t到底這是真的假的?他說高風險族群包括在大陸做生意或者是大陸有來往的人。院長這真議題假議題啊?\n1377543\t1405746\t這是真議題假議題這是一個社會在討論的議題但是到現在真正的結論還是在經過大家共同對事實狀況的研判對事實狀況如果依照沈博亮先生所說的那你走回內閣裡頭我會緊張你聽你聽我們的政府院長的先生沈先生他也在東莞做生意我們的郭部長他生意做得這麼好他也在大陸有很多的分公司\n1406767\t1426568\t那如果照他的規劃裡頭那我們國防會的劉主委他在IBM這個專家在整個這個大台東地區大中華地區他供應鏈他諮詢服務他是負責人類那如果照他的說法院長你也去過大陸兩三次嗎?是\n1427765\t1433967\t對啊那這些都是危險分子欸高危險分子欸可以這麼論定嗎?可以這麼論定嗎?他是這麼說啊那他的定義是什麼?\n1445725\t1447385\t因為他說高風險族群裡頭你注意聽喔公廟危險最低黑道\n1474131\t1502440\t陸培在中間。陳里長立委和大學教授是最高風險。你認同嗎?我尊重委員各種言論上表示出來的意見。你尊重他但是你聽起來你認為台灣可以如此嗎?台灣有台灣的問題跟現象因為台灣的民主可以這樣子說法嗎?我們有我們遇到的問題跟現象那包括所有的國安團隊持續都在重視這樣的現象我們的責任就是在防範讓它不會成為嚴重的威脅。\n1503473\t1532266\t台灣當然是一個民主國家講什麼都可以但是如果危害任意的惡意的貼標籤會危害到台灣的民主也會危害到台灣整個的安全度你認不認同我們當然希望尊重每個人的言論自由之外尊重個別人的人權的保護言論自由的保護都要同時並進都要同時並進嘛所以院長你要小心喔因為這是你們貴黨的立法委員部分區的說的讓人民人心惶惶欸\n1534221\t1560170\t你讓那些教授都人心惶惶,你看可以嗎?好,很慎重,所以我也認同你的很慎重,但是務必,務必不要再製造人民的恐慌,好嗎?所以我在一個結論,所謂的第五縱隊,你的安心,所謂的第五縱隊在你目前執政的政府是沒有這回事,可以這麼解讀嗎?\n1561308\t1564755\t我們有不同潛在的威脅但不一定要用這樣的名稱來涵蓋\n1566718\t1567298\t接下來我要講的我們的產業\n1596550\t1614226\t我們都非常希望臺灣一進棒的臺灣的隱形冠軍太多了臺灣的發明臺灣的在全世界裡頭不得了了最近這AI進來這5個全世界的首戶前10名都是我們臺灣感動的不得了太光榮了對不對\n1614943\t1640363\t完全對,而且我們的中小企業也有相當的光榮感。對,我也給郭部長講,我們除了AAA,我們除了科學之外,我們的中小產業,台灣的產業是所重要照顧的,院長對不對?對不對?我們的中小企業,你連這個都不敢回答。我們的中小企業在地的產業,我們政府要全力的支持他們,對不對?院長?院長?\n1642441\t1661530\t是我們不僅中小企業我們連中小微企業都不希望在這個AI轉型的過程當中受到傷害所以所謂的以大代小這個概念非常好那本集要請教我們很榮耀但是亞洲地區是我們科技創新最快的可是我們看到企業創投\n1662776\t1681283\t他所發布的、執行長所發布的五個國家沒有我們耶!怎麼回事啊?有印尼、有越南、有日本、有韓國、有印度!不管人才!他都講別人耶!怎麼沒有講到我們台灣這怎麼回事?繼續努力啊!繼續努力有什麼方案?\n1682813\t1684054\t因為這個國外的大廠來臺灣他是要用我們的人才\n1698323\t1713634\t我們現在是說這個人才齁臺灣因為我們稍微……請針對問題郭部長你現在所謂的人才分析知道你說要培養20萬人然後18萬人是在工廠裡頭高階的你給他比例50%50%這分析非常清楚但是我要給院長講的是說世界的評比沒有看到臺灣\n1719517\t1745435\t我很愤慨我們這麼好怎麼會沒有我們的所以我請院長你要努力你要努力不要只有自嗨我們要努力好不好好不好一起努力一起努力接下來最後一個議題危險邊坡我們在陸續發生了這些事情從4級5級6級7級這些的次數我都不忍心講院長我請你\n1746636\t1765128\t我請你組專案。這是人民安全的問題。這是人民安全的問題。你必須要組專案去解決協助這些問題。因為沒有生命什麼都不用講了。一走過去癱下來完蛋了。對不對?我看到你臉慢慢的沉重起來。\n1766363\t1789188\t不是,看到這種危險的地方當然我們會感同身受。至於具體的措施,交通部從過去到現在已經有相當的作用。朱部長,你也是專家。我希望我本席提出國土安全的問題,鞭破這麼危險,我希望你把書面資料給本席,你去盤點。因為我們經過921,我們的中橫還沒有通,我們都很緊張。\n1791929\t1821418\t好不好因為中文通我們臺灣全部都通這是務必要做的好不好針對包括像高鐵、台鐵、高速公路跟一般的省道、公路有各種邊坡我們現在都有監測努力去做因為他的數字我不忍心講出來你把書面資料給本席院長最後一個功課給你本席在經濟委員會大任召委超失的檔案到昨天為止我們也到現場考察\n1822318\t1822598\t我們現在休息10分鐘。\n","txt":"麻煩再請卓院長備選。\n委員長好恭喜你我們首先來看我們的孩子因為投資教育希望永遠在這是我非常堅持的一個理念所以守護學童安全校園我們看到目前在全國裡頭\n大概有400個校園他急需要跑道的一個整修但是我們也看到也聽到賴總統說體育暨運動發展部他希望要明確來提出成立是不是\n我們在努力也希望大院能夠協助一起來把這個組織法調整將來可以上路。組織法調整就表示說大家看到這個問題點是重要的那我們有共識喔所以我們看到呢如果說我們未來預計你將要編列200億的預算對不對好200億的預算但是我們看到你目前所編列的大概一年是兩億\n﹚楊瓔\n大概大小平均值來計算那你大概呢需要40億的經費那這個40億的經費呢你如果一年跑到你只有2億的話那你等於要編列多少年啊?你等於要編列多少年?等於要編列20年\n謝謝委員\n這個狀況非常好!\n國際到現在對於很多學校在興辦這個體育設施的更新當中過去一段時間我們用了很多的前瞻基礎建設但是也有很多應該是地方自治事項如果中央地方能夠合力來針對不同的學校不同的教育是體育設施能夠來分別來處理的話那這個時間會更短而且將來\n在體育部成立之後我想我們會用另外一種視野跟眼光來看體育部相關的預算你希望時間更短你聽到本期的精髓如果一年只有2億的一個補助我們要400個學校要20年20年又有其他的學校又產生還是要有協助所以你聽到精髓時間要縮短所以本期具體跟你建議你應該要編列專案預算給校園操場的修繕你同意嗎\n我們會看國家的財政狀況跟地方怎麼來配合。你同意嗎?是不是?往這個方向努力。往這個方向努力。小孩子、體育、教育都更好。你可以大膽一點的來說,你是同意的嘛。往這個方向來努力。大方向大家都會同意。好,你就說我們兩個在選打嘛。那你卓議員長我的解讀可以這麼說,你是同意我們要以專案的方式來協助這些操場的這個修建、布建。\n謝謝方向同意,我也希望你去執行制。接下來本席請問你,因為目前為止我們的這個大安會裡頭告訴我們幼兒的學童\n右耳的學童我看到了一個問題也就是我們學校周邊的這個環境臺灣都市計劃內所有的人行到總長度是8000公里我們現在目前完成的只有500多公里所以你的占比達不到7%在這樣的一個情況達不到7%所以本席我們被先封為什麼人間這個煉獄但是我們看到一個兒童的問題\n﹚楊瓔\n本席要見請卓院長,我們孩子都是我們的寶貝。我們要怎麼樣讓他能夠安全,尤其在少子化的現在。我們的數字是增加,你又不憂心啊?又不憂心?憂心。那既然是憂心了,我們就要好好的來把這些周邊來布建好,好不好?應該加強就像剛才所說的數字年限,經費要增加,年限要縮短。\n報告委員行人跟學童的安全我們會列為現在即將要做的工作當中交通部已經有一個相當完整而清楚的計畫如果容許交通部昨天我也本席也親自到交通委員會去\n跟部長討論的這個問題那部長也認識到這個問題是需要加強所以你詳實將你預計要怎麼做縮短時間趕快布建讓我們的兒童得以安心好不好讓家長安心兒童安全將書面資料給本席好嗎\n接下來本席要請教律法院好不容易藍、綠、白的委員都同意。在前任的行政院院長陳建仁先生以及我們前任的薛部長魏吾普都同意。\n而且預計要在今年編列預算編列明年度的預算所以你看到這個畫面很難得藍綠白全國家長聯盟共同來支持的這個政策也就是HPV的疫苗當時早期我相信邱部長早期也跟我們奮鬥到早期說因為經費的問題所以我們從國中的女生開始打\n﹚楊瓔\n報告委員\n我也記得陳前院長曾經提議答應說要延役當女生達到90%之後往男生這個在延役那現在所以現在就是衛福部會接續陳前院長這樣的決定繼續還在做一些就同意要編列預算男生一併打我們會成為一個非常光榮因為總統說了我們要有什麼呢我們要做健康憲章對不對\n是的,健康憲章所以兩個議題請教大家有共識非常好也就是大家努力的成果我們女生達到九成以上的男生必須要執行之編列預算成為亞洲區第一個男女共打保護我們孩童施打HPV疫苗的先進國家所以我兩個議題請教第一個我們的健康憲章卓院長什麼時候會出來第二個我們的預算編列多少請教\n第一個,我們在健康台灣的論壇當中已經講到深化這個健康台灣這個議題當中,健康現障是一個頂重要的。什麼時候會出來?衛福部,剛接手的衛福部一定要馬上再進行相關的營運。這個馬上是多久?衛福部說明。我可以讓邱部長您說。\n請告訴我時間好嗎?你預計你們的KPI什麼時候可以出來給國人報告?告訴我時間點好嗎?什麼時候可以告訴國人?\n因為這個可能出來以後還要經過更多專家討論當然所以我只要院長我只要你告訴我一個時間點是年底還是第三季什麼時候可以出來讓國人了解報告委員這個我剛剛說過健康台灣的論壇之極全國所有的醫學的專家先做出這樣的結論出來之後這是一個非常審慎的工作\n拜託委員一下,像我們\n沒關係,我們做任何事情,總院長。\n一個月出來炒稿院長我謝謝你們我們一定要好好努力做但是我希望我們新政府做事情還是要有KPI的指標大概什麼時間會出來現在邱部長給我一個答案一個月內會出來炒案那炒案之後大概什麼時候今年年底會不會出來\n我們就是要跟社會做對話,我們努力讓它盡快的實現,但是社會的意見我們要尊重。好,邱部長,你有沒有設定你自己的KPI時間點?我想健康憲章這個部分我們以前做過太多,像每一個地區也有健康,像北投也有健康憲章。部長,你現在不是邱立法委員,你現在是邱部長,你想一想沒關係,你書面資料給本席,至少你回答本席。\n健康憲章的草案一個月內會出來,好不好?接下來怎麼樣正式,你再順便資料給本席。第二個議題,HPAP的預算,疫苗,男生的預算,這4億多,沒有多少錢。請問編了沒?編了沒?部長\n現在那個我想而且非常感謝因為HPV對男生的一個預防請教你現在是部長請政策回答你編了沒預算\n我們現在正在編擬預算的當中﹖\n韓國瑜主席\n﹚楊瓔\n會執行吧?會全力來研議。全力研議,就是全力執行,是嗎?因為剛剛卓院長在你的屁股啊,你是在嚇死了啦。院長已經說了,照陳前院長的指示啦,他的指示你也參與到啊,對不對?\n我們會造成監獄長此事演繹,但是我剛剛跟委員報告,這要編的預算。我們現在不是我們編的,我們現在進到概算的程序來解釋。好,謝謝。舊副長,你聽到左院長的支持,我們務必要編,成為亞洲第一個。編出來之後預算通過,我們來開一個記者會。\n讓臺灣在世界上的醫療能夠發光發熱,好不好?尤其在蔣海同,我相信你一定做得到的。接下來我們要談電的問題。電的問題,院長,我非常的敬佩郭部長。郭部長說,他講真心話,他說這個台電公共預算局博普他不太贊成。\n當然他率性的這個回答所以我們現在目前大家都非常的支持郭部長因為郭部長他會講真話而且他是真正在解決問題他來自產業我們支持我們支持之餘還是要解決問題在賴總統擔任行政院長的時候他曾經說過了\n他前天說過他告訴我們在2017年的時候他說2025年我們的能源配比再生能源20%等等等但是王美花部長告訴我們是跳票的所以我也在經濟委員會請教了我們的郭部長\n我說,那我們現在怎麼辦?沒關係,你們承認2025年原先的能源配比是跳票的。我們積極趕快鼓勵再加油。這是我們非常誠意的鼓勵政府。所以再生能源的部分從20%你們預估要調降到這個15.5%。我們也都給予鼓勵,但是其中有一個問題。\n也就是沒有加入AI訊息萬變我也感謝郭部長他願意在這個會期7月16日之前會給國人一個報告我們的需求電力因為原先111年所說的3045億度的需求度這個是111年因為112年還沒出來\n那麼告訴我們是2027年的時候會超過會達到3045億度可是還沒有加入AI所以郭部長非常誠意的說給一點時間因為又加入了AI訊息萬變所以我非常的敬佩郭部長他的坦白而且願意面對問題解決問題所以有兩個議題要請教第一個也就是我們的能源配比\n您的好朋友童子賢先生也說了如果沒有加入這個核的部分\n那麼要在2050年淨零這個家園是打不到的你聽到吧你也點頭所以在這樣的一個情況之下會不會考慮非核家園的一個調整就這兩個議題請教院長第一個議題請等一下請您尊敬的這個郭部長來回答非核家園現在依照我們的環境基本法我們還是要依法朝向非核家園\n那要讓我們安全的供電穩定供電這是政府的要務我們必須在這個安全穩定供電的前提之下發展更多的綠能我們說展綠、蒸汽、減煤到非常這個就是步驟所以本期告訴你賴總統擔任行政院長的時候跳票了我不希望你的回答你的宣布又是跳票人民騙一次就夠了不要再騙了\n我們也願意因為訊息萬變所以我希望我們非常理性的討論我希望得到答案會不會調整非核家園如果AI的用電量\n現在科技的進步有些事情在多少年前是難以預測的。但是我們的法律規定就是朝向非核家園進步。院長你是一個有能力的人不要再拿法律來搪塞。今天政府如果需要法律可以修。\n對不對?你如果沒有這樣相關配套,你一再的只有以法律來搪塞,那等於當時所設立的你通通都挑票了,我們找誰算帳啊?這不是拿法律搪塞,我是說我們在法的規定之下,我們用更多的方式,包括閃綠、蒸汽、減煤,這個方式我們都要做。你的好朋友也給你這個真心話的建議,童子行董事長。那我們現在就請郭部長。\n報告委員我想這個大家關心的是說會不會缺電我先給你報告這個結論到2030年我們是不會缺電的那這個我們為什麼這麼講呢就是說我們已經務實的考量用電的需求那麼2023年到2030年我們這個需求大概成長700萬千瓦\n我們現在的大型機組會競爭910萬千瓦,但就如您剛才指導的,我們可能這個AI暴增,所以我們現在在考量我們用280萬千瓦作為我們大概考量的一個標準。\n那這個280萬千瓦要說一次跳掉這個機率其實是幾乎是等於零但是我們還是放寬了這個電的這個容量所以我們有兩個方法第一個就是用這個除電除電\n本期瞭解差端你的話。你要用ESCO的概念。對不對?你用ESCO的概念所以本期還是要請教您。您現在信心滿滿。我也期待在7月16日以前你告訴我們總電力以及你的能源配比。這個是我非常關心。也希望卓議員長到時候經濟部長所公布的不可以再跳票。我講會怕一片就死啊。\n不可以再下第二次所以本下還在請教院長也就是告訴我們的2027年我們的用電是3042億度但是是沒有包括AI在這樣的一個情況之下我們年用電量是不是會提早衝破3000億度大約時間點或落點在哪裡現在111年度告訴我們的是\n2027年那現在加入AI導入會不會提早衝破3000億度的需求量?\n請講我們現在的需求生產量是2.2左右吧那未來我們預期整個工科技的發展會有更大的需要所以剛剛部長已經講到會要科技的儲能跟發展都能多度綠能所以換句話你這個回答也就是會提早衝破3000億度對不對沒有沒有你轉頭看看你的部長他一直在點頭一直轉過來你轉頭過去看看\n所以我們也希望能夠為產業為民生用電安全。接下來政見要落實處理式規劃臺中火力發電廠我們真的好辛苦\n我們也為社會大眾貢獻良多因為我們當地的健康是我們的寶貝我們一定要好好顧著所以我要請教院長你提出的這個健康憲章我一直希望追出來也就是說中火陸續除疫的規劃是5年還是10年因為我們自己有一套的減煤每一年遞減\n﹚楊瓔\n我希望縮短時間你認同嗎?所以你把規劃給本席好嗎?\n我們會考慮到安全穩定供電那麼對環境的影響我們把它降到最低\n民進黨的部分區的第二名沈博洋先生他說了\n到底這是真的假的?他說高風險族群包括在大陸做生意或者是大陸有來往的人。院長這真議題假議題啊?\n這是真議題假議題這是一個社會在討論的議題但是到現在真正的結論還是在經過大家共同對事實狀況的研判對事實狀況如果依照沈博亮先生所說的那你走回內閣裡頭我會緊張你聽你聽我們的政府院長的先生沈先生他也在東莞做生意我們的郭部長他生意做得這麼好他也在大陸有很多的分公司\n那如果照他的規劃裡頭那我們國防會的劉主委他在IBM這個專家在整個這個大台東地區大中華地區他供應鏈他諮詢服務他是負責人類那如果照他的說法院長你也去過大陸兩三次嗎?是\n對啊那這些都是危險分子欸高危險分子欸可以這麼論定嗎?可以這麼論定嗎?他是這麼說啊那他的定義是什麼?\n因為他說高風險族群裡頭你注意聽喔公廟危險最低黑道\n陸培在中間。陳里長立委和大學教授是最高風險。你認同嗎?我尊重委員各種言論上表示出來的意見。你尊重他但是你聽起來你認為台灣可以如此嗎?台灣有台灣的問題跟現象因為台灣的民主可以這樣子說法嗎?我們有我們遇到的問題跟現象那包括所有的國安團隊持續都在重視這樣的現象我們的責任就是在防範讓它不會成為嚴重的威脅。\n台灣當然是一個民主國家講什麼都可以但是如果危害任意的惡意的貼標籤會危害到台灣的民主也會危害到台灣整個的安全度你認不認同我們當然希望尊重每個人的言論自由之外尊重個別人的人權的保護言論自由的保護都要同時並進都要同時並進嘛所以院長你要小心喔因為這是你們貴黨的立法委員部分區的說的讓人民人心惶惶欸\n你讓那些教授都人心惶惶,你看可以嗎?好,很慎重,所以我也認同你的很慎重,但是務必,務必不要再製造人民的恐慌,好嗎?所以我在一個結論,所謂的第五縱隊,你的安心,所謂的第五縱隊在你目前執政的政府是沒有這回事,可以這麼解讀嗎?\n我們有不同潛在的威脅但不一定要用這樣的名稱來涵蓋\n接下來我要講的我們的產業\n我們都非常希望臺灣一進棒的臺灣的隱形冠軍太多了臺灣的發明臺灣的在全世界裡頭不得了了最近這AI進來這5個全世界的首戶前10名都是我們臺灣感動的不得了太光榮了對不對\n完全對,而且我們的中小企業也有相當的光榮感。對,我也給郭部長講,我們除了AAA,我們除了科學之外,我們的中小產業,台灣的產業是所重要照顧的,院長對不對?對不對?我們的中小企業,你連這個都不敢回答。我們的中小企業在地的產業,我們政府要全力的支持他們,對不對?院長?院長?\n是我們不僅中小企業我們連中小微企業都不希望在這個AI轉型的過程當中受到傷害所以所謂的以大代小這個概念非常好那本集要請教我們很榮耀但是亞洲地區是我們科技創新最快的可是我們看到企業創投\n他所發布的、執行長所發布的五個國家沒有我們耶!怎麼回事啊?有印尼、有越南、有日本、有韓國、有印度!不管人才!他都講別人耶!怎麼沒有講到我們台灣這怎麼回事?繼續努力啊!繼續努力有什麼方案?\n因為這個國外的大廠來臺灣他是要用我們的人才\n我們現在是說這個人才齁臺灣因為我們稍微……請針對問題郭部長你現在所謂的人才分析知道你說要培養20萬人然後18萬人是在工廠裡頭高階的你給他比例50%50%這分析非常清楚但是我要給院長講的是說世界的評比沒有看到臺灣\n我很愤慨我們這麼好怎麼會沒有我們的所以我請院長你要努力你要努力不要只有自嗨我們要努力好不好好不好一起努力一起努力接下來最後一個議題危險邊坡我們在陸續發生了這些事情從4級5級6級7級這些的次數我都不忍心講院長我請你\n我請你組專案。這是人民安全的問題。這是人民安全的問題。你必須要組專案去解決協助這些問題。因為沒有生命什麼都不用講了。一走過去癱下來完蛋了。對不對?我看到你臉慢慢的沉重起來。\n不是,看到這種危險的地方當然我們會感同身受。至於具體的措施,交通部從過去到現在已經有相當的作用。朱部長,你也是專家。我希望我本席提出國土安全的問題,鞭破這麼危險,我希望你把書面資料給本席,你去盤點。因為我們經過921,我們的中橫還沒有通,我們都很緊張。\n好不好因為中文通我們臺灣全部都通這是務必要做的好不好針對包括像高鐵、台鐵、高速公路跟一般的省道、公路有各種邊坡我們現在都有監測努力去做因為他的數字我不忍心講出來你把書面資料給本席院長最後一個功課給你本席在經濟委員會大任召委超失的檔案到昨天為止我們也到現場考察\n我們現在休息10分鐘。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.868 --> 00:06.649\n麻煩再請卓院長備選。\n\n00:32.455 --> 00:47.614\n委員長好恭喜你我們首先來看我們的孩子因為投資教育希望永遠在這是我非常堅持的一個理念所以守護學童安全校園我們看到目前在全國裡頭\n\n00:48.815 --> 01:03.462\n大概有400個校園他急需要跑道的一個整修但是我們也看到也聽到賴總統說體育暨運動發展部他希望要明確來提出成立是不是\n\n01:04.428 --> 01:31.334\n我們在努力也希望大院能夠協助一起來把這個組織法調整將來可以上路。組織法調整就表示說大家看到這個問題點是重要的那我們有共識喔所以我們看到呢如果說我們未來預計你將要編列200億的預算對不對好200億的預算但是我們看到你目前所編列的大概一年是兩億\n\n01:49.329 --> 02:05.082\n大概大小平均值來計算那你大概呢需要40億的經費那這個40億的經費呢你如果一年跑到你只有2億的話那你等於要編列多少年啊?你等於要編列多少年?等於要編列20年\n\n02:06.463 --> 02:06.483\n謝謝委員\n\n02:34.195 --> 02:34.596\n這個狀況非常好!\n\n02:50.642 --> 03:09.954\n國際到現在對於很多學校在興辦這個體育設施的更新當中過去一段時間我們用了很多的前瞻基礎建設但是也有很多應該是地方自治事項如果中央地方能夠合力來針對不同的學校不同的教育是體育設施能夠來分別來處理的話那這個時間會更短而且將來\n\n03:11.074 --> 03:38.485\n在體育部成立之後我想我們會用另外一種視野跟眼光來看體育部相關的預算你希望時間更短你聽到本期的精髓如果一年只有2億的一個補助我們要400個學校要20年20年又有其他的學校又產生還是要有協助所以你聽到精髓時間要縮短所以本期具體跟你建議你應該要編列專案預算給校園操場的修繕你同意嗎\n\n03:40.004 --> 04:07.367\n我們會看國家的財政狀況跟地方怎麼來配合。你同意嗎?是不是?往這個方向努力。往這個方向努力。小孩子、體育、教育都更好。你可以大膽一點的來說,你是同意的嘛。往這個方向來努力。大方向大家都會同意。好,你就說我們兩個在選打嘛。那你卓議員長我的解讀可以這麼說,你是同意我們要以專案的方式來協助這些操場的這個修建、布建。\n\n04:07.807 --> 04:09.829\n謝謝方向同意,我也希望你去執行制。接下來本席請問你,因為目前為止我們的這個大安會裡頭告訴我們幼兒的學童\n\n04:24.326 --> 04:53.686\n右耳的學童我看到了一個問題也就是我們學校周邊的這個環境臺灣都市計劃內所有的人行到總長度是8000公里我們現在目前完成的只有500多公里所以你的占比達不到7%在這樣的一個情況達不到7%所以本席我們被先封為什麼人間這個煉獄但是我們看到一個兒童的問題\n\n05:13.021 --> 05:39.085\n本席要見請卓院長,我們孩子都是我們的寶貝。我們要怎麼樣讓他能夠安全,尤其在少子化的現在。我們的數字是增加,你又不憂心啊?又不憂心?憂心。那既然是憂心了,我們就要好好的來把這些周邊來布建好,好不好?應該加強就像剛才所說的數字年限,經費要增加,年限要縮短。\n\n05:40.739 --> 05:54.473\n報告委員行人跟學童的安全我們會列為現在即將要做的工作當中交通部已經有一個相當完整而清楚的計畫如果容許交通部昨天我也本席也親自到交通委員會去\n\n05:55.114 --> 06:10.434\n跟部長討論的這個問題那部長也認識到這個問題是需要加強所以你詳實將你預計要怎麼做縮短時間趕快布建讓我們的兒童得以安心好不好讓家長安心兒童安全將書面資料給本席好嗎\n\n06:12.115 --> 06:30.148\n接下來本席要請教律法院好不容易藍、綠、白的委員都同意。在前任的行政院院長陳建仁先生以及我們前任的薛部長魏吾普都同意。\n\n06:30.828 --> 06:59.657\n而且預計要在今年編列預算編列明年度的預算所以你看到這個畫面很難得藍綠白全國家長聯盟共同來支持的這個政策也就是HPV的疫苗當時早期我相信邱部長早期也跟我們奮鬥到早期說因為經費的問題所以我們從國中的女生開始打\n\n07:24.309 --> 07:24.549\n報告委員\n\n07:49.775 --> 08:18.388\n我也記得陳前院長曾經提議答應說要延役當女生達到90%之後往男生這個在延役那現在所以現在就是衛福部會接續陳前院長這樣的決定繼續還在做一些就同意要編列預算男生一併打我們會成為一個非常光榮因為總統說了我們要有什麼呢我們要做健康憲章對不對\n\n08:20.048 --> 08:48.096\n是的,健康憲章所以兩個議題請教大家有共識非常好也就是大家努力的成果我們女生達到九成以上的男生必須要執行之編列預算成為亞洲區第一個男女共打保護我們孩童施打HPV疫苗的先進國家所以我兩個議題請教第一個我們的健康憲章卓院長什麼時候會出來第二個我們的預算編列多少請教\n\n08:48.902 --> 09:06.935\n第一個,我們在健康台灣的論壇當中已經講到深化這個健康台灣這個議題當中,健康現障是一個頂重要的。什麼時候會出來?衛福部,剛接手的衛福部一定要馬上再進行相關的營運。這個馬上是多久?衛福部說明。我可以讓邱部長您說。\n\n09:08.204 --> 09:13.226\n請告訴我時間好嗎?你預計你們的KPI什麼時候可以出來給國人報告?告訴我時間點好嗎?什麼時候可以告訴國人?\n\n09:28.279 --> 09:49.848\n因為這個可能出來以後還要經過更多專家討論當然所以我只要院長我只要你告訴我一個時間點是年底還是第三季什麼時候可以出來讓國人了解報告委員這個我剛剛說過健康台灣的論壇之極全國所有的醫學的專家先做出這樣的結論出來之後這是一個非常審慎的工作\n\n09:58.111 --> 09:58.772\n拜託委員一下,像我們\n\n10:16.086 --> 10:16.426\n沒關係,我們做任何事情,總院長。\n\n10:31.189 --> 10:53.249\n一個月出來炒稿院長我謝謝你們我們一定要好好努力做但是我希望我們新政府做事情還是要有KPI的指標大概什麼時間會出來現在邱部長給我一個答案一個月內會出來炒案那炒案之後大概什麼時候今年年底會不會出來\n\n10:55.049 --> 11:22.041\n我們就是要跟社會做對話,我們努力讓它盡快的實現,但是社會的意見我們要尊重。好,邱部長,你有沒有設定你自己的KPI時間點?我想健康憲章這個部分我們以前做過太多,像每一個地區也有健康,像北投也有健康憲章。部長,你現在不是邱立法委員,你現在是邱部長,你想一想沒關係,你書面資料給本席,至少你回答本席。\n\n11:23.021 --> 11:42.061\n健康憲章的草案一個月內會出來,好不好?接下來怎麼樣正式,你再順便資料給本席。第二個議題,HPAP的預算,疫苗,男生的預算,這4億多,沒有多少錢。請問編了沒?編了沒?部長\n\n11:45.559 --> 11:55.633\n現在那個我想而且非常感謝因為HPV對男生的一個預防請教你現在是部長請政策回答你編了沒預算\n\n11:57.847 --> 11:58.327\n我們現在正在編擬預算的當中﹖\n\n12:27.807 --> 12:28.087\n韓國瑜主席\n\n13:06.757 --> 13:22.477\n會執行吧?會全力來研議。全力研議,就是全力執行,是嗎?因為剛剛卓院長在你的屁股啊,你是在嚇死了啦。院長已經說了,照陳前院長的指示啦,他的指示你也參與到啊,對不對?\n\n13:23.098 --> 13:41.386\n我們會造成監獄長此事演繹,但是我剛剛跟委員報告,這要編的預算。我們現在不是我們編的,我們現在進到概算的程序來解釋。好,謝謝。舊副長,你聽到左院長的支持,我們務必要編,成為亞洲第一個。編出來之後預算通過,我們來開一個記者會。\n\n13:44.028 --> 14:05.886\n讓臺灣在世界上的醫療能夠發光發熱,好不好?尤其在蔣海同,我相信你一定做得到的。接下來我們要談電的問題。電的問題,院長,我非常的敬佩郭部長。郭部長說,他講真心話,他說這個台電公共預算局博普他不太贊成。\n\n14:07.575 --> 14:26.933\n當然他率性的這個回答所以我們現在目前大家都非常的支持郭部長因為郭部長他會講真話而且他是真正在解決問題他來自產業我們支持我們支持之餘還是要解決問題在賴總統擔任行政院長的時候他曾經說過了\n\n14:28.860 --> 14:44.769\n他前天說過他告訴我們在2017年的時候他說2025年我們的能源配比再生能源20%等等等但是王美花部長告訴我們是跳票的所以我也在經濟委員會請教了我們的郭部長\n\n14:45.669 --> 15:04.662\n我說,那我們現在怎麼辦?沒關係,你們承認2025年原先的能源配比是跳票的。我們積極趕快鼓勵再加油。這是我們非常誠意的鼓勵政府。所以再生能源的部分從20%你們預估要調降到這個15.5%。我們也都給予鼓勵,但是其中有一個問題。\n\n15:11.894 --> 15:26.538\n也就是沒有加入AI訊息萬變我也感謝郭部長他願意在這個會期7月16日之前會給國人一個報告我們的需求電力因為原先111年所說的3045億度的需求度這個是111年因為112年還沒出來\n\n15:34.660 --> 16:03.237\n那麼告訴我們是2027年的時候會超過會達到3045億度可是還沒有加入AI所以郭部長非常誠意的說給一點時間因為又加入了AI訊息萬變所以我非常的敬佩郭部長他的坦白而且願意面對問題解決問題所以有兩個議題要請教第一個也就是我們的能源配比\n\n16:03.917 --> 16:07.000\n您的好朋友童子賢先生也說了如果沒有加入這個核的部分\n\n16:24.139 --> 16:50.902\n那麼要在2050年淨零這個家園是打不到的你聽到吧你也點頭所以在這樣的一個情況之下會不會考慮非核家園的一個調整就這兩個議題請教院長第一個議題請等一下請您尊敬的這個郭部長來回答非核家園現在依照我們的環境基本法我們還是要依法朝向非核家園\n\n16:51.994 --> 17:16.617\n那要讓我們安全的供電穩定供電這是政府的要務我們必須在這個安全穩定供電的前提之下發展更多的綠能我們說展綠、蒸汽、減煤到非常這個就是步驟所以本期告訴你賴總統擔任行政院長的時候跳票了我不希望你的回答你的宣布又是跳票人民騙一次就夠了不要再騙了\n\n17:17.698 --> 17:31.554\n我們也願意因為訊息萬變所以我希望我們非常理性的討論我希望得到答案會不會調整非核家園如果AI的用電量\n\n17:33.201 --> 17:52.077\n現在科技的進步有些事情在多少年前是難以預測的。但是我們的法律規定就是朝向非核家園進步。院長你是一個有能力的人不要再拿法律來搪塞。今天政府如果需要法律可以修。\n\n17:53.254 --> 18:18.021\n對不對?你如果沒有這樣相關配套,你一再的只有以法律來搪塞,那等於當時所設立的你通通都挑票了,我們找誰算帳啊?這不是拿法律搪塞,我是說我們在法的規定之下,我們用更多的方式,包括閃綠、蒸汽、減煤,這個方式我們都要做。你的好朋友也給你這個真心話的建議,童子行董事長。那我們現在就請郭部長。\n\n18:19.945 --> 18:37.722\n報告委員我想這個大家關心的是說會不會缺電我先給你報告這個結論到2030年我們是不會缺電的那這個我們為什麼這麼講呢就是說我們已經務實的考量用電的需求那麼2023年到2030年我們這個需求大概成長700萬千瓦\n\n18:43.929 --> 19:00.470\n我們現在的大型機組會競爭910萬千瓦,但就如您剛才指導的,我們可能這個AI暴增,所以我們現在在考量我們用280萬千瓦作為我們大概考量的一個標準。\n\n19:02.349 --> 19:22.879\n那這個280萬千瓦要說一次跳掉這個機率其實是幾乎是等於零但是我們還是放寬了這個電的這個容量所以我們有兩個方法第一個就是用這個除電除電\n\n19:24.904 --> 19:47.600\n本期瞭解差端你的話。你要用ESCO的概念。對不對?你用ESCO的概念所以本期還是要請教您。您現在信心滿滿。我也期待在7月16日以前你告訴我們總電力以及你的能源配比。這個是我非常關心。也希望卓議員長到時候經濟部長所公布的不可以再跳票。我講會怕一片就死啊。\n\n19:48.180 --> 20:11.955\n不可以再下第二次所以本下還在請教院長也就是告訴我們的2027年我們的用電是3042億度但是是沒有包括AI在這樣的一個情況之下我們年用電量是不是會提早衝破3000億度大約時間點或落點在哪裡現在111年度告訴我們的是\n\n20:13.417 --> 20:19.585\n2027年那現在加入AI導入會不會提早衝破3000億度的需求量?\n\n20:20.287 --> 20:46.292\n請講我們現在的需求生產量是2.2左右吧那未來我們預期整個工科技的發展會有更大的需要所以剛剛部長已經講到會要科技的儲能跟發展都能多度綠能所以換句話你這個回答也就是會提早衝破3000億度對不對沒有沒有你轉頭看看你的部長他一直在點頭一直轉過來你轉頭過去看看\n\n20:49.414 --> 21:01.510\n所以我們也希望能夠為產業為民生用電安全。接下來政見要落實處理式規劃臺中火力發電廠我們真的好辛苦\n\n21:02.594 --> 21:25.677\n我們也為社會大眾貢獻良多因為我們當地的健康是我們的寶貝我們一定要好好顧著所以我要請教院長你提出的這個健康憲章我一直希望追出來也就是說中火陸續除疫的規劃是5年還是10年因為我們自己有一套的減煤每一年遞減\n\n21:46.718 --> 21:49.519\n我希望縮短時間你認同嗎?所以你把規劃給本席好嗎?\n\n22:12.925 --> 22:17.395\n我們會考慮到安全穩定供電那麼對環境的影響我們把它降到最低\n\n22:18.356 --> 22:19.957\n民進黨的部分區的第二名沈博洋先生他說了\n\n22:46.598 --> 22:53.886\n到底這是真的假的?他說高風險族群包括在大陸做生意或者是大陸有來往的人。院長這真議題假議題啊?\n\n22:57.543 --> 23:25.746\n這是真議題假議題這是一個社會在討論的議題但是到現在真正的結論還是在經過大家共同對事實狀況的研判對事實狀況如果依照沈博亮先生所說的那你走回內閣裡頭我會緊張你聽你聽我們的政府院長的先生沈先生他也在東莞做生意我們的郭部長他生意做得這麼好他也在大陸有很多的分公司\n\n23:26.767 --> 23:46.568\n那如果照他的規劃裡頭那我們國防會的劉主委他在IBM這個專家在整個這個大台東地區大中華地區他供應鏈他諮詢服務他是負責人類那如果照他的說法院長你也去過大陸兩三次嗎?是\n\n23:47.765 --> 23:53.967\n對啊那這些都是危險分子欸高危險分子欸可以這麼論定嗎?可以這麼論定嗎?他是這麼說啊那他的定義是什麼?\n\n24:05.725 --> 24:07.385\n因為他說高風險族群裡頭你注意聽喔公廟危險最低黑道\n\n24:34.131 --> 25:02.440\n陸培在中間。陳里長立委和大學教授是最高風險。你認同嗎?我尊重委員各種言論上表示出來的意見。你尊重他但是你聽起來你認為台灣可以如此嗎?台灣有台灣的問題跟現象因為台灣的民主可以這樣子說法嗎?我們有我們遇到的問題跟現象那包括所有的國安團隊持續都在重視這樣的現象我們的責任就是在防範讓它不會成為嚴重的威脅。\n\n25:03.473 --> 25:32.266\n台灣當然是一個民主國家講什麼都可以但是如果危害任意的惡意的貼標籤會危害到台灣的民主也會危害到台灣整個的安全度你認不認同我們當然希望尊重每個人的言論自由之外尊重個別人的人權的保護言論自由的保護都要同時並進都要同時並進嘛所以院長你要小心喔因為這是你們貴黨的立法委員部分區的說的讓人民人心惶惶欸\n\n25:34.221 --> 26:00.170\n你讓那些教授都人心惶惶,你看可以嗎?好,很慎重,所以我也認同你的很慎重,但是務必,務必不要再製造人民的恐慌,好嗎?所以我在一個結論,所謂的第五縱隊,你的安心,所謂的第五縱隊在你目前執政的政府是沒有這回事,可以這麼解讀嗎?\n\n26:01.308 --> 26:04.755\n我們有不同潛在的威脅但不一定要用這樣的名稱來涵蓋\n\n26:06.718 --> 26:07.298\n接下來我要講的我們的產業\n\n26:36.550 --> 26:54.226\n我們都非常希望臺灣一進棒的臺灣的隱形冠軍太多了臺灣的發明臺灣的在全世界裡頭不得了了最近這AI進來這5個全世界的首戶前10名都是我們臺灣感動的不得了太光榮了對不對\n\n26:54.943 --> 27:20.363\n完全對,而且我們的中小企業也有相當的光榮感。對,我也給郭部長講,我們除了AAA,我們除了科學之外,我們的中小產業,台灣的產業是所重要照顧的,院長對不對?對不對?我們的中小企業,你連這個都不敢回答。我們的中小企業在地的產業,我們政府要全力的支持他們,對不對?院長?院長?\n\n27:22.441 --> 27:41.530\n是我們不僅中小企業我們連中小微企業都不希望在這個AI轉型的過程當中受到傷害所以所謂的以大代小這個概念非常好那本集要請教我們很榮耀但是亞洲地區是我們科技創新最快的可是我們看到企業創投\n\n27:42.776 --> 28:01.283\n他所發布的、執行長所發布的五個國家沒有我們耶!怎麼回事啊?有印尼、有越南、有日本、有韓國、有印度!不管人才!他都講別人耶!怎麼沒有講到我們台灣這怎麼回事?繼續努力啊!繼續努力有什麼方案?\n\n28:02.813 --> 28:04.054\n因為這個國外的大廠來臺灣他是要用我們的人才\n\n28:18.323 --> 28:33.634\n我們現在是說這個人才齁臺灣因為我們稍微……請針對問題郭部長你現在所謂的人才分析知道你說要培養20萬人然後18萬人是在工廠裡頭高階的你給他比例50%50%這分析非常清楚但是我要給院長講的是說世界的評比沒有看到臺灣\n\n28:39.517 --> 29:05.435\n我很愤慨我們這麼好怎麼會沒有我們的所以我請院長你要努力你要努力不要只有自嗨我們要努力好不好好不好一起努力一起努力接下來最後一個議題危險邊坡我們在陸續發生了這些事情從4級5級6級7級這些的次數我都不忍心講院長我請你\n\n29:06.636 --> 29:25.128\n我請你組專案。這是人民安全的問題。這是人民安全的問題。你必須要組專案去解決協助這些問題。因為沒有生命什麼都不用講了。一走過去癱下來完蛋了。對不對?我看到你臉慢慢的沉重起來。\n\n29:26.363 --> 29:49.188\n不是,看到這種危險的地方當然我們會感同身受。至於具體的措施,交通部從過去到現在已經有相當的作用。朱部長,你也是專家。我希望我本席提出國土安全的問題,鞭破這麼危險,我希望你把書面資料給本席,你去盤點。因為我們經過921,我們的中橫還沒有通,我們都很緊張。\n\n29:51.929 --> 30:21.418\n好不好因為中文通我們臺灣全部都通這是務必要做的好不好針對包括像高鐵、台鐵、高速公路跟一般的省道、公路有各種邊坡我們現在都有監測努力去做因為他的數字我不忍心講出來你把書面資料給本席院長最後一個功課給你本席在經濟委員會大任召委超失的檔案到昨天為止我們也到現場考察\n\n30:22.318 --> 30:22.598\n我們現在休息10分鐘。\n\n","segments":[{"start":5.868,"end":6.649,"text":"麻煩再請卓院長備選。"},{"start":32.455,"end":47.614,"text":"委員長好恭喜你我們首先來看我們的孩子因為投資教育希望永遠在這是我非常堅持的一個理念所以守護學童安全校園我們看到目前在全國裡頭"},{"start":48.815,"end":63.462,"text":"大概有400個校園他急需要跑道的一個整修但是我們也看到也聽到賴總統說體育暨運動發展部他希望要明確來提出成立是不是"},{"start":64.428,"end":91.334,"text":"我們在努力也希望大院能夠協助一起來把這個組織法調整將來可以上路。組織法調整就表示說大家看到這個問題點是重要的那我們有共識喔所以我們看到呢如果說我們未來預計你將要編列200億的預算對不對好200億的預算但是我們看到你目前所編列的大概一年是兩億"},{"start":92.534,"end":109.189,"text":"﹚楊瓔"},{"start":109.329,"end":125.082,"text":"大概大小平均值來計算那你大概呢需要40億的經費那這個40億的經費呢你如果一年跑到你只有2億的話那你等於要編列多少年啊?你等於要編列多少年?等於要編列20年"},{"start":126.463,"end":126.483,"text":"謝謝委員"},{"start":154.195,"end":154.596,"text":"這個狀況非常好!"},{"start":170.642,"end":189.954,"text":"國際到現在對於很多學校在興辦這個體育設施的更新當中過去一段時間我們用了很多的前瞻基礎建設但是也有很多應該是地方自治事項如果中央地方能夠合力來針對不同的學校不同的教育是體育設施能夠來分別來處理的話那這個時間會更短而且將來"},{"start":191.074,"end":218.485,"text":"在體育部成立之後我想我們會用另外一種視野跟眼光來看體育部相關的預算你希望時間更短你聽到本期的精髓如果一年只有2億的一個補助我們要400個學校要20年20年又有其他的學校又產生還是要有協助所以你聽到精髓時間要縮短所以本期具體跟你建議你應該要編列專案預算給校園操場的修繕你同意嗎"},{"start":220.004,"end":247.367,"text":"我們會看國家的財政狀況跟地方怎麼來配合。你同意嗎?是不是?往這個方向努力。往這個方向努力。小孩子、體育、教育都更好。你可以大膽一點的來說,你是同意的嘛。往這個方向來努力。大方向大家都會同意。好,你就說我們兩個在選打嘛。那你卓議員長我的解讀可以這麼說,你是同意我們要以專案的方式來協助這些操場的這個修建、布建。"},{"start":247.807,"end":249.829,"text":"謝謝方向同意,我也希望你去執行制。接下來本席請問你,因為目前為止我們的這個大安會裡頭告訴我們幼兒的學童"},{"start":264.326,"end":293.686,"text":"右耳的學童我看到了一個問題也就是我們學校周邊的這個環境臺灣都市計劃內所有的人行到總長度是8000公里我們現在目前完成的只有500多公里所以你的占比達不到7%在這樣的一個情況達不到7%所以本席我們被先封為什麼人間這個煉獄但是我們看到一個兒童的問題"},{"start":294.206,"end":312.125,"text":"﹚楊瓔"},{"start":313.021,"end":339.085,"text":"本席要見請卓院長,我們孩子都是我們的寶貝。我們要怎麼樣讓他能夠安全,尤其在少子化的現在。我們的數字是增加,你又不憂心啊?又不憂心?憂心。那既然是憂心了,我們就要好好的來把這些周邊來布建好,好不好?應該加強就像剛才所說的數字年限,經費要增加,年限要縮短。"},{"start":340.739,"end":354.473,"text":"報告委員行人跟學童的安全我們會列為現在即將要做的工作當中交通部已經有一個相當完整而清楚的計畫如果容許交通部昨天我也本席也親自到交通委員會去"},{"start":355.114,"end":370.434,"text":"跟部長討論的這個問題那部長也認識到這個問題是需要加強所以你詳實將你預計要怎麼做縮短時間趕快布建讓我們的兒童得以安心好不好讓家長安心兒童安全將書面資料給本席好嗎"},{"start":372.115,"end":390.148,"text":"接下來本席要請教律法院好不容易藍、綠、白的委員都同意。在前任的行政院院長陳建仁先生以及我們前任的薛部長魏吾普都同意。"},{"start":390.828,"end":419.657,"text":"而且預計要在今年編列預算編列明年度的預算所以你看到這個畫面很難得藍綠白全國家長聯盟共同來支持的這個政策也就是HPV的疫苗當時早期我相信邱部長早期也跟我們奮鬥到早期說因為經費的問題所以我們從國中的女生開始打"},{"start":420.077,"end":444.189,"text":"﹚楊瓔"},{"start":444.309,"end":444.549,"text":"報告委員"},{"start":469.775,"end":498.388,"text":"我也記得陳前院長曾經提議答應說要延役當女生達到90%之後往男生這個在延役那現在所以現在就是衛福部會接續陳前院長這樣的決定繼續還在做一些就同意要編列預算男生一併打我們會成為一個非常光榮因為總統說了我們要有什麼呢我們要做健康憲章對不對"},{"start":500.048,"end":528.096,"text":"是的,健康憲章所以兩個議題請教大家有共識非常好也就是大家努力的成果我們女生達到九成以上的男生必須要執行之編列預算成為亞洲區第一個男女共打保護我們孩童施打HPV疫苗的先進國家所以我兩個議題請教第一個我們的健康憲章卓院長什麼時候會出來第二個我們的預算編列多少請教"},{"start":528.902,"end":546.935,"text":"第一個,我們在健康台灣的論壇當中已經講到深化這個健康台灣這個議題當中,健康現障是一個頂重要的。什麼時候會出來?衛福部,剛接手的衛福部一定要馬上再進行相關的營運。這個馬上是多久?衛福部說明。我可以讓邱部長您說。"},{"start":548.204,"end":553.226,"text":"請告訴我時間好嗎?你預計你們的KPI什麼時候可以出來給國人報告?告訴我時間點好嗎?什麼時候可以告訴國人?"},{"start":568.279,"end":589.848,"text":"因為這個可能出來以後還要經過更多專家討論當然所以我只要院長我只要你告訴我一個時間點是年底還是第三季什麼時候可以出來讓國人了解報告委員這個我剛剛說過健康台灣的論壇之極全國所有的醫學的專家先做出這樣的結論出來之後這是一個非常審慎的工作"},{"start":598.111,"end":598.772,"text":"拜託委員一下,像我們"},{"start":616.086,"end":616.426,"text":"沒關係,我們做任何事情,總院長。"},{"start":631.189,"end":653.249,"text":"一個月出來炒稿院長我謝謝你們我們一定要好好努力做但是我希望我們新政府做事情還是要有KPI的指標大概什麼時間會出來現在邱部長給我一個答案一個月內會出來炒案那炒案之後大概什麼時候今年年底會不會出來"},{"start":655.049,"end":682.041,"text":"我們就是要跟社會做對話,我們努力讓它盡快的實現,但是社會的意見我們要尊重。好,邱部長,你有沒有設定你自己的KPI時間點?我想健康憲章這個部分我們以前做過太多,像每一個地區也有健康,像北投也有健康憲章。部長,你現在不是邱立法委員,你現在是邱部長,你想一想沒關係,你書面資料給本席,至少你回答本席。"},{"start":683.021,"end":702.061,"text":"健康憲章的草案一個月內會出來,好不好?接下來怎麼樣正式,你再順便資料給本席。第二個議題,HPAP的預算,疫苗,男生的預算,這4億多,沒有多少錢。請問編了沒?編了沒?部長"},{"start":705.559,"end":715.633,"text":"現在那個我想而且非常感謝因為HPV對男生的一個預防請教你現在是部長請政策回答你編了沒預算"},{"start":717.847,"end":718.327,"text":"我們現在正在編擬預算的當中﹖"},{"start":747.807,"end":748.087,"text":"韓國瑜主席"},{"start":768.012,"end":785.333,"text":"﹚楊瓔"},{"start":786.757,"end":802.477,"text":"會執行吧?會全力來研議。全力研議,就是全力執行,是嗎?因為剛剛卓院長在你的屁股啊,你是在嚇死了啦。院長已經說了,照陳前院長的指示啦,他的指示你也參與到啊,對不對?"},{"start":803.098,"end":821.386,"text":"我們會造成監獄長此事演繹,但是我剛剛跟委員報告,這要編的預算。我們現在不是我們編的,我們現在進到概算的程序來解釋。好,謝謝。舊副長,你聽到左院長的支持,我們務必要編,成為亞洲第一個。編出來之後預算通過,我們來開一個記者會。"},{"start":824.028,"end":845.886,"text":"讓臺灣在世界上的醫療能夠發光發熱,好不好?尤其在蔣海同,我相信你一定做得到的。接下來我們要談電的問題。電的問題,院長,我非常的敬佩郭部長。郭部長說,他講真心話,他說這個台電公共預算局博普他不太贊成。"},{"start":847.575,"end":866.933,"text":"當然他率性的這個回答所以我們現在目前大家都非常的支持郭部長因為郭部長他會講真話而且他是真正在解決問題他來自產業我們支持我們支持之餘還是要解決問題在賴總統擔任行政院長的時候他曾經說過了"},{"start":868.86,"end":884.769,"text":"他前天說過他告訴我們在2017年的時候他說2025年我們的能源配比再生能源20%等等等但是王美花部長告訴我們是跳票的所以我也在經濟委員會請教了我們的郭部長"},{"start":885.669,"end":904.662,"text":"我說,那我們現在怎麼辦?沒關係,你們承認2025年原先的能源配比是跳票的。我們積極趕快鼓勵再加油。這是我們非常誠意的鼓勵政府。所以再生能源的部分從20%你們預估要調降到這個15.5%。我們也都給予鼓勵,但是其中有一個問題。"},{"start":911.894,"end":926.538,"text":"也就是沒有加入AI訊息萬變我也感謝郭部長他願意在這個會期7月16日之前會給國人一個報告我們的需求電力因為原先111年所說的3045億度的需求度這個是111年因為112年還沒出來"},{"start":934.66,"end":963.237,"text":"那麼告訴我們是2027年的時候會超過會達到3045億度可是還沒有加入AI所以郭部長非常誠意的說給一點時間因為又加入了AI訊息萬變所以我非常的敬佩郭部長他的坦白而且願意面對問題解決問題所以有兩個議題要請教第一個也就是我們的能源配比"},{"start":963.917,"end":967,"text":"您的好朋友童子賢先生也說了如果沒有加入這個核的部分"},{"start":984.139,"end":1010.902,"text":"那麼要在2050年淨零這個家園是打不到的你聽到吧你也點頭所以在這樣的一個情況之下會不會考慮非核家園的一個調整就這兩個議題請教院長第一個議題請等一下請您尊敬的這個郭部長來回答非核家園現在依照我們的環境基本法我們還是要依法朝向非核家園"},{"start":1011.994,"end":1036.617,"text":"那要讓我們安全的供電穩定供電這是政府的要務我們必須在這個安全穩定供電的前提之下發展更多的綠能我們說展綠、蒸汽、減煤到非常這個就是步驟所以本期告訴你賴總統擔任行政院長的時候跳票了我不希望你的回答你的宣布又是跳票人民騙一次就夠了不要再騙了"},{"start":1037.698,"end":1051.554,"text":"我們也願意因為訊息萬變所以我希望我們非常理性的討論我希望得到答案會不會調整非核家園如果AI的用電量"},{"start":1053.201,"end":1072.077,"text":"現在科技的進步有些事情在多少年前是難以預測的。但是我們的法律規定就是朝向非核家園進步。院長你是一個有能力的人不要再拿法律來搪塞。今天政府如果需要法律可以修。"},{"start":1073.254,"end":1098.021,"text":"對不對?你如果沒有這樣相關配套,你一再的只有以法律來搪塞,那等於當時所設立的你通通都挑票了,我們找誰算帳啊?這不是拿法律搪塞,我是說我們在法的規定之下,我們用更多的方式,包括閃綠、蒸汽、減煤,這個方式我們都要做。你的好朋友也給你這個真心話的建議,童子行董事長。那我們現在就請郭部長。"},{"start":1099.945,"end":1117.722,"text":"報告委員我想這個大家關心的是說會不會缺電我先給你報告這個結論到2030年我們是不會缺電的那這個我們為什麼這麼講呢就是說我們已經務實的考量用電的需求那麼2023年到2030年我們這個需求大概成長700萬千瓦"},{"start":1123.929,"end":1140.47,"text":"我們現在的大型機組會競爭910萬千瓦,但就如您剛才指導的,我們可能這個AI暴增,所以我們現在在考量我們用280萬千瓦作為我們大概考量的一個標準。"},{"start":1142.349,"end":1162.879,"text":"那這個280萬千瓦要說一次跳掉這個機率其實是幾乎是等於零但是我們還是放寬了這個電的這個容量所以我們有兩個方法第一個就是用這個除電除電"},{"start":1164.904,"end":1187.6,"text":"本期瞭解差端你的話。你要用ESCO的概念。對不對?你用ESCO的概念所以本期還是要請教您。您現在信心滿滿。我也期待在7月16日以前你告訴我們總電力以及你的能源配比。這個是我非常關心。也希望卓議員長到時候經濟部長所公布的不可以再跳票。我講會怕一片就死啊。"},{"start":1188.18,"end":1211.955,"text":"不可以再下第二次所以本下還在請教院長也就是告訴我們的2027年我們的用電是3042億度但是是沒有包括AI在這樣的一個情況之下我們年用電量是不是會提早衝破3000億度大約時間點或落點在哪裡現在111年度告訴我們的是"},{"start":1213.417,"end":1219.585,"text":"2027年那現在加入AI導入會不會提早衝破3000億度的需求量?"},{"start":1220.287,"end":1246.292,"text":"請講我們現在的需求生產量是2.2左右吧那未來我們預期整個工科技的發展會有更大的需要所以剛剛部長已經講到會要科技的儲能跟發展都能多度綠能所以換句話你這個回答也就是會提早衝破3000億度對不對沒有沒有你轉頭看看你的部長他一直在點頭一直轉過來你轉頭過去看看"},{"start":1249.414,"end":1261.51,"text":"所以我們也希望能夠為產業為民生用電安全。接下來政見要落實處理式規劃臺中火力發電廠我們真的好辛苦"},{"start":1262.594,"end":1285.677,"text":"我們也為社會大眾貢獻良多因為我們當地的健康是我們的寶貝我們一定要好好顧著所以我要請教院長你提出的這個健康憲章我一直希望追出來也就是說中火陸續除疫的規劃是5年還是10年因為我們自己有一套的減煤每一年遞減"},{"start":1286.698,"end":1306.578,"text":"﹚楊瓔"},{"start":1306.718,"end":1309.519,"text":"我希望縮短時間你認同嗎?所以你把規劃給本席好嗎?"},{"start":1332.925,"end":1337.395,"text":"我們會考慮到安全穩定供電那麼對環境的影響我們把它降到最低"},{"start":1338.356,"end":1339.957,"text":"民進黨的部分區的第二名沈博洋先生他說了"},{"start":1366.598,"end":1373.886,"text":"到底這是真的假的?他說高風險族群包括在大陸做生意或者是大陸有來往的人。院長這真議題假議題啊?"},{"start":1377.543,"end":1405.746,"text":"這是真議題假議題這是一個社會在討論的議題但是到現在真正的結論還是在經過大家共同對事實狀況的研判對事實狀況如果依照沈博亮先生所說的那你走回內閣裡頭我會緊張你聽你聽我們的政府院長的先生沈先生他也在東莞做生意我們的郭部長他生意做得這麼好他也在大陸有很多的分公司"},{"start":1406.767,"end":1426.568,"text":"那如果照他的規劃裡頭那我們國防會的劉主委他在IBM這個專家在整個這個大台東地區大中華地區他供應鏈他諮詢服務他是負責人類那如果照他的說法院長你也去過大陸兩三次嗎?是"},{"start":1427.765,"end":1433.967,"text":"對啊那這些都是危險分子欸高危險分子欸可以這麼論定嗎?可以這麼論定嗎?他是這麼說啊那他的定義是什麼?"},{"start":1445.725,"end":1447.385,"text":"因為他說高風險族群裡頭你注意聽喔公廟危險最低黑道"},{"start":1474.131,"end":1502.44,"text":"陸培在中間。陳里長立委和大學教授是最高風險。你認同嗎?我尊重委員各種言論上表示出來的意見。你尊重他但是你聽起來你認為台灣可以如此嗎?台灣有台灣的問題跟現象因為台灣的民主可以這樣子說法嗎?我們有我們遇到的問題跟現象那包括所有的國安團隊持續都在重視這樣的現象我們的責任就是在防範讓它不會成為嚴重的威脅。"},{"start":1503.473,"end":1532.266,"text":"台灣當然是一個民主國家講什麼都可以但是如果危害任意的惡意的貼標籤會危害到台灣的民主也會危害到台灣整個的安全度你認不認同我們當然希望尊重每個人的言論自由之外尊重個別人的人權的保護言論自由的保護都要同時並進都要同時並進嘛所以院長你要小心喔因為這是你們貴黨的立法委員部分區的說的讓人民人心惶惶欸"},{"start":1534.221,"end":1560.17,"text":"你讓那些教授都人心惶惶,你看可以嗎?好,很慎重,所以我也認同你的很慎重,但是務必,務必不要再製造人民的恐慌,好嗎?所以我在一個結論,所謂的第五縱隊,你的安心,所謂的第五縱隊在你目前執政的政府是沒有這回事,可以這麼解讀嗎?"},{"start":1561.308,"end":1564.755,"text":"我們有不同潛在的威脅但不一定要用這樣的名稱來涵蓋"},{"start":1566.718,"end":1567.298,"text":"接下來我要講的我們的產業"},{"start":1596.55,"end":1614.226,"text":"我們都非常希望臺灣一進棒的臺灣的隱形冠軍太多了臺灣的發明臺灣的在全世界裡頭不得了了最近這AI進來這5個全世界的首戶前10名都是我們臺灣感動的不得了太光榮了對不對"},{"start":1614.943,"end":1640.363,"text":"完全對,而且我們的中小企業也有相當的光榮感。對,我也給郭部長講,我們除了AAA,我們除了科學之外,我們的中小產業,台灣的產業是所重要照顧的,院長對不對?對不對?我們的中小企業,你連這個都不敢回答。我們的中小企業在地的產業,我們政府要全力的支持他們,對不對?院長?院長?"},{"start":1642.441,"end":1661.53,"text":"是我們不僅中小企業我們連中小微企業都不希望在這個AI轉型的過程當中受到傷害所以所謂的以大代小這個概念非常好那本集要請教我們很榮耀但是亞洲地區是我們科技創新最快的可是我們看到企業創投"},{"start":1662.776,"end":1681.283,"text":"他所發布的、執行長所發布的五個國家沒有我們耶!怎麼回事啊?有印尼、有越南、有日本、有韓國、有印度!不管人才!他都講別人耶!怎麼沒有講到我們台灣這怎麼回事?繼續努力啊!繼續努力有什麼方案?"},{"start":1682.813,"end":1684.054,"text":"因為這個國外的大廠來臺灣他是要用我們的人才"},{"start":1698.323,"end":1713.634,"text":"我們現在是說這個人才齁臺灣因為我們稍微……請針對問題郭部長你現在所謂的人才分析知道你說要培養20萬人然後18萬人是在工廠裡頭高階的你給他比例50%50%這分析非常清楚但是我要給院長講的是說世界的評比沒有看到臺灣"},{"start":1719.517,"end":1745.435,"text":"我很愤慨我們這麼好怎麼會沒有我們的所以我請院長你要努力你要努力不要只有自嗨我們要努力好不好好不好一起努力一起努力接下來最後一個議題危險邊坡我們在陸續發生了這些事情從4級5級6級7級這些的次數我都不忍心講院長我請你"},{"start":1746.636,"end":1765.128,"text":"我請你組專案。這是人民安全的問題。這是人民安全的問題。你必須要組專案去解決協助這些問題。因為沒有生命什麼都不用講了。一走過去癱下來完蛋了。對不對?我看到你臉慢慢的沉重起來。"},{"start":1766.363,"end":1789.188,"text":"不是,看到這種危險的地方當然我們會感同身受。至於具體的措施,交通部從過去到現在已經有相當的作用。朱部長,你也是專家。我希望我本席提出國土安全的問題,鞭破這麼危險,我希望你把書面資料給本席,你去盤點。因為我們經過921,我們的中橫還沒有通,我們都很緊張。"},{"start":1791.929,"end":1821.418,"text":"好不好因為中文通我們臺灣全部都通這是務必要做的好不好針對包括像高鐵、台鐵、高速公路跟一般的省道、公路有各種邊坡我們現在都有監測努力去做因為他的數字我不忍心講出來你把書面資料給本席院長最後一個功課給你本席在經濟委員會大任召委超失的檔案到昨天為止我們也到現場考察"},{"start":1822.318,"end":1822.598,"text":"我們現在休息10分鐘。"}]}}}}