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\"再\", \"start\": 1036.258, \"end\": 1036.398, \"score\": 0.857}, {\"word\": \"請\"}, {\"word\": \"卓\", \"start\": 1036.398, \"end\": 1036.538, \"score\": 0.857}, {\"word\": \"院\", \"start\": 1036.538, \"end\": 1036.558, \"score\": 0.0}, {\"word\": \"長\"}, {\"word\": \"備\"}, {\"word\": \"詢\"}], \"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:00,347 --> 00:00:00,367\n聽委員質詢。\n\n2\n00:00:30,834 --> 00:00:39,799\n我們請院長還有國防部部長也請國防部部長也請部長備詢\n\n3\n00:00:47,828 --> 00:01:01,220\n院長好,院長我想首先祝賀您新任院長,那也希望說未來的這個時間裡面我們可以一起為臺灣來打造一個更好的未來。\n\n4\n00:01:02,060 --> 00:01:27,131\n首先要請院長不知道有沒有聽到最近在美國的印太司令部帕帕羅上將有透露出地域景象的戰略意思是說美軍將在未來台海戰事爆發的時候會部署數以千計的無人載具我為什麼說無人載具我不說無人飛行器因為包含這一個海面上海面下這些都是無人載具的一部分那去作為擾亂中國軍隊為美軍爭取時間的這個部分院長怎麼看待美軍的這個戰略\n\n5\n00:01:32,288 --> 00:01:57,684\n我們在最近二屋戰爭與哈戰爭當中都陸續可以看到新型態的作戰方式對台灣來講我們從以前到現在一直在認定採取一種不對稱的戰爭對台灣的防衛系統是最有利的那這個部分我想在我們強化國防發展自主國防力量的過程當中一直朝向強化我們防衛系統這個方向來努力的\n\n6\n00:01:59,185 --> 00:02:13,198\n顧部長雖然到國防部久我想他也提出了很多對國防部的因心因格的事項當然對於傳統我們在發展的自主國防強化國防力量的這個過程裡面國防部一定扮演最重要的角色我們一定用科技化現代化來進行\n\n7\n00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:38,839\n科技化跟現代化那我想無惡戰爭也是一個很好的例子就是說我們希望說利用我們的這種無人機無人艦來去彌補傳統兵力上面的不足甚至來因應來增強那其實這一次您的這一個政府是叫AI政府那AI的這個應用共創新局那AI的應用在這個無人載具上面也有非常大的效用\n\n8\n00:02:39,580 --> 00:03:08,788\n所以部長我們現在有建翔反輻射無人機,我們也有騰雲長城增打無人機,還有志榮一號的消防無人艇,你認為我們有足夠的無人機無人艦來配合美軍來執行這個戰略嗎?雖然現在發展台灣的無人機的產業,但是現在來講我們還是要迎頭趕上,那這個部分請部長來說明。跟委員報告,第一個就是說國軍還是要持續這個多元的管道來籌貨這個各類型的無人機來快速形成戰力。\n\n9\n00:03:10,460 --> 00:03:34,382\n護和防衛作戰時序所以如果你講說現在是不是足夠我必須很坦誠的講我們還是要持續來進行才能夠配合剛剛你提到的這個帕巴洛上將所提的因為帕巴洛上將所提的這種護和這種所謂利用敵人的破綻攻擊落點的這種的不對稱的作戰的方式我們要跟他配合的話我們不但有足夠的這些\n\n10\n00:03:35,424 --> 00:03:45,815\n不同無人機的搭配以外我們還要跟他進行有一些指管敵國的識別然後如何互相配合來運用這個都還需要跟印太要好好的談這件事情\n\n11\n00:03:46,525 --> 00:04:10,860\n謝謝部長。我想我們剛才提到的部署無人載具,那包含是海面上海面下,包含在空中飛行,高低配全部都要,不管是進口或者是在國內本土廠商的這個製作。我想在無人戰爭是每天每個月所消耗的這種無人載具是非常大的。所以我們必須要確保我們國內有足夠的產業鏈,還有國內有足夠的企業願意投入這樣子的生產。\n\n12\n00:04:11,801 --> 00:04:35,693\n所以我必須還是要說等一下我們會談到民雄的航太園區在那之前我還是要說我們這樣子的需要的這樣的無人機的生產就需要大規模的評測的基地不管是在測試也好不管是提供場地也好不管是在高階一點的無人機我想大家應該知道美軍的這個MQ-9這種高配的這種無人載具或者是比較微型的無人機型\n\n13\n00:04:36,153 --> 00:04:36,333\n﹚陳冠廷﹚陳冠廷\n\n14\n00:05:01,454 --> 00:05:21,903\n那未來在一些我們非典型的灰色的這種地帶的這種戰略上面對我們的威懾也可以稍微減輕那像是在這次淡水發生的狀況其實如果能夠在大規模的部署相關的這一些機具裝備的話其實都可以更快偵測或者是說在偵測之後可以有其他的相應作為\n\n15\n00:05:22,443 --> 00:05:47,793\n所以我是希望說未來能夠跨部會來去做協調因為在農用的、在消防用的跟在軍用的其實他們都有各種不同的應用的方向跟方式我是希望把評測的場地、評測的機制、評測的機會全部都要更加平凡、更加制度化讓每一個在臺灣有志於國防產業的企業都能夠加入我們國軍的這種建軍的規劃方案\n\n16\n00:05:50,194 --> 00:06:13,750\n那除了國內當然還有國外的我們包含進口也是非常重要我們希望說未來能夠利用這樣子的無人載具來去彌補說我們可能在人員上面可能沒有辦法像中國有辦法這麼多人口但是我們卻能夠用我們的這種科技來去做一個相應的去做平衡那謝謝部長那我們接下來要請這個國發會主委跟財政部長\n\n17\n00:06:24,330 --> 00:06:32,602\n還有顧部長。國防部長。因為這個是民雄航太園區。因為民雄航太園區這邊...顧部長顧部長再請國防部\n\n18\n00:06:48,111 --> 00:07:13,658\n部長我簡單的來講一下我們的這個無人產業園區民雄的無人機及航太園區那今年的3月22號我在這邊有問過陳建遠院長關於民雄航太及無人機產業園區的部分那之前的狀況是因為經濟部沒有土地所有權所以他們不想或許也不能進場開發但是國防部有土地所有權但是卻沒有開發的這個經驗那那個時候我問陳院長說要由誰來開發\n\n19\n00:07:16,618 --> 00:07:42,684\n那時候陳院長的答覆是說會後會交由副院長來召集協商看是由國防部主責或者是經濟部主責所以我想請教一下我聽到的消息是4月15號有開過一次專業的會議專案的會議就是說要把開發的主導權給國防部我想確認這是已經決議的事情嗎跟委員報告您問的大概是那個民雄縣區的東西側兩側的這個兩個\n\n20\n00:07:45,543 --> 00:07:57,800\n那東側基地的部分是中科院大概是25公頃這是中科院西側你關切的西側29公頃的那個部分作為航太及無人機產業這個部分呢要規劃這個相關的民間廠商進駐\n\n21\n00:08:02,369 --> 00:08:23,858\n那這個部分應該就是由這個國發會他現在開發建設計畫書大概由國發會來會辦各部會在審查當中那這個會加我想國發會會來會來全權來進行想請問國發會那所以是主委現在是由哪一個部會接下來會進行整個產業的開發的主導\n\n22\n00:08:27,481 --> 00:08:32,063\n所以產業園區的部分經濟部會主導嗎?現在都還沒有決議嗎?4月15號的那個還專案的這個會議還沒有決議。產業的部分喔,我不是說有中科院的部分,產業的部分。\n\n23\n00:08:53,829 --> 00:09:17,890\n就產業就西側的部對因為委員在關切的西側的部分對西側的部分的話他大概相關的因為整個要包括各部會的一個所以我的了解我的了解是中科院提供這個土地那相關的開發的建設的經費在之前的決議裡面由國會來\n\n24\n00:09:19,708 --> 00:09:23,372\n部長是不是可以簡單的回應一下您所知道的部分?或者是主委?\n\n25\n00:09:40,323 --> 00:10:00,620\n沒關係,我們可以會後再討論,那我主要是希望說．現在在那個初步的會議結論當中,是協調的結果,是由國防部要來接手。那現在這個事情還沒有真的進行下去,我請顧部長再了解一下。好,謝謝院長,謝謝。對7月15日以後的這個會議,如何再繼續的執行。\n\n26\n00:10:04,022 --> 00:10:09,833\n好,謝謝,謝謝,那就院長就好了,那我們繼續跟院長質詢,其他部長可以先,謝謝各部會組長,謝謝各部會組長,謝謝部長,謝謝\n\n27\n00:10:17,233 --> 00:10:34,782\n院長我為什麼要針對這件事情我希望盡速的瞭解的狀況因為現在會出現時程的問題跟預算的問題如果我們沒有辦法在今年7月核定航太機無人機產業園區的話那就沒有辦法在114年展開建設開發所以我想我們\n\n28\n00:10:35,842 --> 00:10:56,058\n未來賴總統的這四年每一分每一秒都是我們發展開拓的一個好機會。所以我不希望有任何一天讓他這個時間流失掉。所以想請教院長說這樣的行程非常的緊大概剩下一個月多的時間可不可以請院長親自來協調一下看怎麼樣可以讓他這個開發可以更加的順遂。\n\n29\n00:10:57,353 --> 00:11:20,957\n您說是民雄的這個,我們也一直希望台灣能夠成為亞洲民主的供應鏈,在無人機的這個產業當中,至少我們提供民主的而且是優質的,而且是持續的,所以針對這個專案的處理啊,我想總統也是把它列為相當大的這個五大信貸產業之一,所以我們也一定朝這個方向來做更緊密,所以剛剛\n\n30\n00:11:21,755 --> 00:11:22,255\n謝謝委員的提醒,謝謝。\n\n31\n00:11:47,810 --> 00:12:02,921\n那第二個事情就是說經費的問題啦,剛才也提到齁,就是說根據財政單位的意見,如果是國防部來去主導開發的話,那中科院大概是要付26億,負擔26億元。那中科院現在已經在推動東側園區的低級工程。\n\n32\n00:12:04,682 --> 00:12:25,514\n那接下來還要設備的投資產線的投資我是很擔心他沒有什麼預算來去開發西邊的產業園區所以我是希望建請行政院用公共建設的預算全額去役主那邊來去辦理那邊的園區開發這部分是不是可以請院長來檢討剛剛部長有提到東側大概約25公頃西側是29公頃那相關的預算東側是11億左右西側現在\n\n33\n00:12:32,301 --> 00:12:32,862\n好,在請院長能夠優先處理這個部分\n\n34\n00:12:52,602 --> 00:13:20,928\n那也是跟我們民雄航太園區從我們最開始的無人機的產業到我們的民雄航太園區無人機產業園區到我們現在相接養的這個民雄鐵路的高架化的部分這個部分要請院長行政院是在2023年5月是有核定嘉義縣市鐵路高架化延伸計畫就是所謂的我們的民雄鐵路高架化那民雄鐵路高架化就是要跟嘉義市區的鐵路高架化來互相連結來去打造這個便利的鐵路運輸系統\n\n35\n00:13:22,388 --> 00:13:47,635\n據我的了解,現在的鐵路高架進入是在基本設計的階段。那今年底送工程會審議完就可以進入細部設計的階段。那細部設計大概是半年。那接下來就是臨時軌、高架橋的工程還有民雄車站站體。院長如果整個時程可以順利的走下去,是不是可以在臨時軌的工程在明年的5月就可以正式開始施工?\n\n36\n00:13:48,433 --> 00:13:48,995\n是的,本項計畫經費也相當龐大,有173億。\n\n37\n00:13:54,156 --> 00:14:18,402\n長期的目標是希望在2031年能夠交高價通車那希望大家我想交通部也在努力能夠在明年的5月讓他能夠臨時軌能夠開工這個是交通部努力的一個目標那這個工程的進行應該是順利另外就是主體工程明年10月是不是可以來趕他盡快的來給他開工\n\n38\n00:14:19,273 --> 00:14:42,996\n我必須要強調好因為民雄的鄉親是非常期待鐵路高架化的正式的動工所以當你的第一支高架橋墩的設置你第一段臨時軌道的設置它絕對是會給整個我們這個民雄地區的民眾有很大的振奮感因為他們看到的是次世代的產業跟次世代的這些交通建設全部同時都會做好部長這可不可以請你來全力來促成我們來努力\n\n39\n00:14:43,851 --> 00:14:44,572\n接下來要請農業部跟財政部\n\n40\n00:15:01,108 --> 00:15:16,720\n議長,我們嘉義當然我是屬於山區的立法委員所以說我們的選區雖然說有10個鄉鎮但是選區面積最大是阿里山鄉那阿里山上面主要都是國有的林地所以山上最重要的就是居住權那居住權的部分\n\n41\n00:15:17,941 --> 00:15:37,293\n關於過去國有林立上面有提供既有的居住使用權的部分,原本行政院是打算要修正濫墾地續辦清查的要點。國有林立是從58527改成各地方政府第一次非都市土地辦理使用的公告的日期。\n\n42\n00:15:37,873 --> 00:15:52,084\n加一線第一次飛都的公告是75年11月1號那目前這個方案的進度呢我補充一下齁因為各部會對這個方案有疑義是因為大家的第一次飛都的公告時間是有差別的比方說我們加\n\n43\n00:15:55,851 --> 00:15:56,271\n陳冠廷陳冠廷\n\n44\n00:16:14,315 --> 00:16:14,535\n﹚陳冠廷﹚\n\n45\n00:16:55,950 --> 00:16:56,871\n接下來我們請登記第42位徐宇珍委員質詢\n\n46\n00:17:16,138 --> 00:17:16,558\n麻煩再請卓院長備詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n347\t367\t聽委員質詢。\n30834\t39799\t我們請院長還有國防部部長也請國防部部長也請部長備詢\n47828\t61220\t院長好,院長我想首先祝賀您新任院長,那也希望說未來的這個時間裡面我們可以一起為臺灣來打造一個更好的未來。\n62060\t87131\t首先要請院長不知道有沒有聽到最近在美國的印太司令部帕帕羅上將有透露出地域景象的戰略意思是說美軍將在未來台海戰事爆發的時候會部署數以千計的無人載具我為什麼說無人載具我不說無人飛行器因為包含這一個海面上海面下這些都是無人載具的一部分那去作為擾亂中國軍隊為美軍爭取時間的這個部分院長怎麼看待美軍的這個戰略\n92288\t117684\t我們在最近二屋戰爭與哈戰爭當中都陸續可以看到新型態的作戰方式對台灣來講我們從以前到現在一直在認定採取一種不對稱的戰爭對台灣的防衛系統是最有利的那這個部分我想在我們強化國防發展自主國防力量的過程當中一直朝向強化我們防衛系統這個方向來努力的\n119185\t133198\t顧部長雖然到國防部久我想他也提出了很多對國防部的因心因格的事項當然對於傳統我們在發展的自主國防強化國防力量的這個過程裡面國防部一定扮演最重要的角色我們一定用科技化現代化來進行\n135600\t158839\t科技化跟現代化那我想無惡戰爭也是一個很好的例子就是說我們希望說利用我們的這種無人機無人艦來去彌補傳統兵力上面的不足甚至來因應來增強那其實這一次您的這一個政府是叫AI政府那AI的這個應用共創新局那AI的應用在這個無人載具上面也有非常大的效用\n159580\t188788\t所以部長我們現在有建翔反輻射無人機,我們也有騰雲長城增打無人機,還有志榮一號的消防無人艇,你認為我們有足夠的無人機無人艦來配合美軍來執行這個戰略嗎?雖然現在發展台灣的無人機的產業,但是現在來講我們還是要迎頭趕上,那這個部分請部長來說明。跟委員報告,第一個就是說國軍還是要持續這個多元的管道來籌貨這個各類型的無人機來快速形成戰力。\n190460\t214382\t護和防衛作戰時序所以如果你講說現在是不是足夠我必須很坦誠的講我們還是要持續來進行才能夠配合剛剛你提到的這個帕巴洛上將所提的因為帕巴洛上將所提的這種護和這種所謂利用敵人的破綻攻擊落點的這種的不對稱的作戰的方式我們要跟他配合的話我們不但有足夠的這些\n215424\t225815\t不同無人機的搭配以外我們還要跟他進行有一些指管敵國的識別然後如何互相配合來運用這個都還需要跟印太要好好的談這件事情\n226525\t250860\t謝謝部長。我想我們剛才提到的部署無人載具,那包含是海面上海面下,包含在空中飛行,高低配全部都要,不管是進口或者是在國內本土廠商的這個製作。我想在無人戰爭是每天每個月所消耗的這種無人載具是非常大的。所以我們必須要確保我們國內有足夠的產業鏈,還有國內有足夠的企業願意投入這樣子的生產。\n251801\t275693\t所以我必須還是要說等一下我們會談到民雄的航太園區在那之前我還是要說我們這樣子的需要的這樣的無人機的生產就需要大規模的評測的基地不管是在測試也好不管是提供場地也好不管是在高階一點的無人機我想大家應該知道美軍的這個MQ-9這種高配的這種無人載具或者是比較微型的無人機型\n276153\t276333\t﹚陳冠廷﹚陳冠廷\n301454\t321903\t那未來在一些我們非典型的灰色的這種地帶的這種戰略上面對我們的威懾也可以稍微減輕那像是在這次淡水發生的狀況其實如果能夠在大規模的部署相關的這一些機具裝備的話其實都可以更快偵測或者是說在偵測之後可以有其他的相應作為\n322443\t347793\t所以我是希望說未來能夠跨部會來去做協調因為在農用的、在消防用的跟在軍用的其實他們都有各種不同的應用的方向跟方式我是希望把評測的場地、評測的機制、評測的機會全部都要更加平凡、更加制度化讓每一個在臺灣有志於國防產業的企業都能夠加入我們國軍的這種建軍的規劃方案\n350194\t373750\t那除了國內當然還有國外的我們包含進口也是非常重要我們希望說未來能夠利用這樣子的無人載具來去彌補說我們可能在人員上面可能沒有辦法像中國有辦法這麼多人口但是我們卻能夠用我們的這種科技來去做一個相應的去做平衡那謝謝部長那我們接下來要請這個國發會主委跟財政部長\n384330\t392602\t還有顧部長。國防部長。因為這個是民雄航太園區。因為民雄航太園區這邊...顧部長顧部長再請國防部\n408111\t433658\t部長我簡單的來講一下我們的這個無人產業園區民雄的無人機及航太園區那今年的3月22號我在這邊有問過陳建遠院長關於民雄航太及無人機產業園區的部分那之前的狀況是因為經濟部沒有土地所有權所以他們不想或許也不能進場開發但是國防部有土地所有權但是卻沒有開發的這個經驗那那個時候我問陳院長說要由誰來開發\n436618\t462684\t那時候陳院長的答覆是說會後會交由副院長來召集協商看是由國防部主責或者是經濟部主責所以我想請教一下我聽到的消息是4月15號有開過一次專業的會議專案的會議就是說要把開發的主導權給國防部我想確認這是已經決議的事情嗎跟委員報告您問的大概是那個民雄縣區的東西側兩側的這個兩個\n465543\t477800\t那東側基地的部分是中科院大概是25公頃這是中科院西側你關切的西側29公頃的那個部分作為航太及無人機產業這個部分呢要規劃這個相關的民間廠商進駐\n482369\t503858\t那這個部分應該就是由這個國發會他現在開發建設計畫書大概由國發會來會辦各部會在審查當中那這個會加我想國發會會來會來全權來進行想請問國發會那所以是主委現在是由哪一個部會接下來會進行整個產業的開發的主導\n507481\t512063\t所以產業園區的部分經濟部會主導嗎?現在都還沒有決議嗎?4月15號的那個還專案的這個會議還沒有決議。產業的部分喔,我不是說有中科院的部分,產業的部分。\n533829\t557890\t就產業就西側的部對因為委員在關切的西側的部分對西側的部分的話他大概相關的因為整個要包括各部會的一個所以我的了解我的了解是中科院提供這個土地那相關的開發的建設的經費在之前的決議裡面由國會來\n559708\t563372\t部長是不是可以簡單的回應一下您所知道的部分?或者是主委?\n580323\t600620\t沒關係,我們可以會後再討論,那我主要是希望說．現在在那個初步的會議結論當中,是協調的結果,是由國防部要來接手。那現在這個事情還沒有真的進行下去,我請顧部長再了解一下。好,謝謝院長,謝謝。對7月15日以後的這個會議,如何再繼續的執行。\n604022\t609833\t好,謝謝,謝謝,那就院長就好了,那我們繼續跟院長質詢,其他部長可以先,謝謝各部會組長,謝謝各部會組長,謝謝部長,謝謝\n617233\t634782\t院長我為什麼要針對這件事情我希望盡速的瞭解的狀況因為現在會出現時程的問題跟預算的問題如果我們沒有辦法在今年7月核定航太機無人機產業園區的話那就沒有辦法在114年展開建設開發所以我想我們\n635842\t656058\t未來賴總統的這四年每一分每一秒都是我們發展開拓的一個好機會。所以我不希望有任何一天讓他這個時間流失掉。所以想請教院長說這樣的行程非常的緊大概剩下一個月多的時間可不可以請院長親自來協調一下看怎麼樣可以讓他這個開發可以更加的順遂。\n657353\t680957\t您說是民雄的這個,我們也一直希望台灣能夠成為亞洲民主的供應鏈,在無人機的這個產業當中,至少我們提供民主的而且是優質的,而且是持續的,所以針對這個專案的處理啊,我想總統也是把它列為相當大的這個五大信貸產業之一,所以我們也一定朝這個方向來做更緊密,所以剛剛\n681755\t682255\t謝謝委員的提醒,謝謝。\n707810\t722921\t那第二個事情就是說經費的問題啦,剛才也提到齁,就是說根據財政單位的意見,如果是國防部來去主導開發的話,那中科院大概是要付26億,負擔26億元。那中科院現在已經在推動東側園區的低級工程。\n724682\t745514\t那接下來還要設備的投資產線的投資我是很擔心他沒有什麼預算來去開發西邊的產業園區所以我是希望建請行政院用公共建設的預算全額去役主那邊來去辦理那邊的園區開發這部分是不是可以請院長來檢討剛剛部長有提到東側大概約25公頃西側是29公頃那相關的預算東側是11億左右西側現在\n752301\t752862\t好,在請院長能夠優先處理這個部分\n772602\t800928\t那也是跟我們民雄航太園區從我們最開始的無人機的產業到我們的民雄航太園區無人機產業園區到我們現在相接養的這個民雄鐵路的高架化的部分這個部分要請院長行政院是在2023年5月是有核定嘉義縣市鐵路高架化延伸計畫就是所謂的我們的民雄鐵路高架化那民雄鐵路高架化就是要跟嘉義市區的鐵路高架化來互相連結來去打造這個便利的鐵路運輸系統\n802388\t827635\t據我的了解,現在的鐵路高架進入是在基本設計的階段。那今年底送工程會審議完就可以進入細部設計的階段。那細部設計大概是半年。那接下來就是臨時軌、高架橋的工程還有民雄車站站體。院長如果整個時程可以順利的走下去,是不是可以在臨時軌的工程在明年的5月就可以正式開始施工?\n828433\t828995\t是的,本項計畫經費也相當龐大,有173億。\n834156\t858402\t長期的目標是希望在2031年能夠交高價通車那希望大家我想交通部也在努力能夠在明年的5月讓他能夠臨時軌能夠開工這個是交通部努力的一個目標那這個工程的進行應該是順利另外就是主體工程明年10月是不是可以來趕他盡快的來給他開工\n859273\t882996\t我必須要強調好因為民雄的鄉親是非常期待鐵路高架化的正式的動工所以當你的第一支高架橋墩的設置你第一段臨時軌道的設置它絕對是會給整個我們這個民雄地區的民眾有很大的振奮感因為他們看到的是次世代的產業跟次世代的這些交通建設全部同時都會做好部長這可不可以請你來全力來促成我們來努力\n883851\t884572\t接下來要請農業部跟財政部\n901108\t916720\t議長,我們嘉義當然我是屬於山區的立法委員所以說我們的選區雖然說有10個鄉鎮但是選區面積最大是阿里山鄉那阿里山上面主要都是國有的林地所以山上最重要的就是居住權那居住權的部分\n917941\t937293\t關於過去國有林立上面有提供既有的居住使用權的部分,原本行政院是打算要修正濫墾地續辦清查的要點。國有林立是從58527改成各地方政府第一次非都市土地辦理使用的公告的日期。\n937873\t952084\t加一線第一次飛都的公告是75年11月1號那目前這個方案的進度呢我補充一下齁因為各部會對這個方案有疑義是因為大家的第一次飛都的公告時間是有差別的比方說我們加\n955851\t956271\t陳冠廷陳冠廷\n974315\t974535\t﹚陳冠廷﹚\n1015950\t1016871\t接下來我們請登記第42位徐宇珍委員質詢\n1036138\t1036558\t麻煩再請卓院長備詢\n","txt":"聽委員質詢。\n我們請院長還有國防部部長也請國防部部長也請部長備詢\n院長好,院長我想首先祝賀您新任院長,那也希望說未來的這個時間裡面我們可以一起為臺灣來打造一個更好的未來。\n首先要請院長不知道有沒有聽到最近在美國的印太司令部帕帕羅上將有透露出地域景象的戰略意思是說美軍將在未來台海戰事爆發的時候會部署數以千計的無人載具我為什麼說無人載具我不說無人飛行器因為包含這一個海面上海面下這些都是無人載具的一部分那去作為擾亂中國軍隊為美軍爭取時間的這個部分院長怎麼看待美軍的這個戰略\n我們在最近二屋戰爭與哈戰爭當中都陸續可以看到新型態的作戰方式對台灣來講我們從以前到現在一直在認定採取一種不對稱的戰爭對台灣的防衛系統是最有利的那這個部分我想在我們強化國防發展自主國防力量的過程當中一直朝向強化我們防衛系統這個方向來努力的\n顧部長雖然到國防部久我想他也提出了很多對國防部的因心因格的事項當然對於傳統我們在發展的自主國防強化國防力量的這個過程裡面國防部一定扮演最重要的角色我們一定用科技化現代化來進行\n科技化跟現代化那我想無惡戰爭也是一個很好的例子就是說我們希望說利用我們的這種無人機無人艦來去彌補傳統兵力上面的不足甚至來因應來增強那其實這一次您的這一個政府是叫AI政府那AI的這個應用共創新局那AI的應用在這個無人載具上面也有非常大的效用\n所以部長我們現在有建翔反輻射無人機,我們也有騰雲長城增打無人機,還有志榮一號的消防無人艇,你認為我們有足夠的無人機無人艦來配合美軍來執行這個戰略嗎?雖然現在發展台灣的無人機的產業,但是現在來講我們還是要迎頭趕上,那這個部分請部長來說明。跟委員報告,第一個就是說國軍還是要持續這個多元的管道來籌貨這個各類型的無人機來快速形成戰力。\n護和防衛作戰時序所以如果你講說現在是不是足夠我必須很坦誠的講我們還是要持續來進行才能夠配合剛剛你提到的這個帕巴洛上將所提的因為帕巴洛上將所提的這種護和這種所謂利用敵人的破綻攻擊落點的這種的不對稱的作戰的方式我們要跟他配合的話我們不但有足夠的這些\n不同無人機的搭配以外我們還要跟他進行有一些指管敵國的識別然後如何互相配合來運用這個都還需要跟印太要好好的談這件事情\n謝謝部長。我想我們剛才提到的部署無人載具,那包含是海面上海面下,包含在空中飛行,高低配全部都要,不管是進口或者是在國內本土廠商的這個製作。我想在無人戰爭是每天每個月所消耗的這種無人載具是非常大的。所以我們必須要確保我們國內有足夠的產業鏈,還有國內有足夠的企業願意投入這樣子的生產。\n所以我必須還是要說等一下我們會談到民雄的航太園區在那之前我還是要說我們這樣子的需要的這樣的無人機的生產就需要大規模的評測的基地不管是在測試也好不管是提供場地也好不管是在高階一點的無人機我想大家應該知道美軍的這個MQ-9這種高配的這種無人載具或者是比較微型的無人機型\n﹚陳冠廷﹚陳冠廷\n那未來在一些我們非典型的灰色的這種地帶的這種戰略上面對我們的威懾也可以稍微減輕那像是在這次淡水發生的狀況其實如果能夠在大規模的部署相關的這一些機具裝備的話其實都可以更快偵測或者是說在偵測之後可以有其他的相應作為\n所以我是希望說未來能夠跨部會來去做協調因為在農用的、在消防用的跟在軍用的其實他們都有各種不同的應用的方向跟方式我是希望把評測的場地、評測的機制、評測的機會全部都要更加平凡、更加制度化讓每一個在臺灣有志於國防產業的企業都能夠加入我們國軍的這種建軍的規劃方案\n那除了國內當然還有國外的我們包含進口也是非常重要我們希望說未來能夠利用這樣子的無人載具來去彌補說我們可能在人員上面可能沒有辦法像中國有辦法這麼多人口但是我們卻能夠用我們的這種科技來去做一個相應的去做平衡那謝謝部長那我們接下來要請這個國發會主委跟財政部長\n還有顧部長。國防部長。因為這個是民雄航太園區。因為民雄航太園區這邊...顧部長顧部長再請國防部\n部長我簡單的來講一下我們的這個無人產業園區民雄的無人機及航太園區那今年的3月22號我在這邊有問過陳建遠院長關於民雄航太及無人機產業園區的部分那之前的狀況是因為經濟部沒有土地所有權所以他們不想或許也不能進場開發但是國防部有土地所有權但是卻沒有開發的這個經驗那那個時候我問陳院長說要由誰來開發\n那時候陳院長的答覆是說會後會交由副院長來召集協商看是由國防部主責或者是經濟部主責所以我想請教一下我聽到的消息是4月15號有開過一次專業的會議專案的會議就是說要把開發的主導權給國防部我想確認這是已經決議的事情嗎跟委員報告您問的大概是那個民雄縣區的東西側兩側的這個兩個\n那東側基地的部分是中科院大概是25公頃這是中科院西側你關切的西側29公頃的那個部分作為航太及無人機產業這個部分呢要規劃這個相關的民間廠商進駐\n那這個部分應該就是由這個國發會他現在開發建設計畫書大概由國發會來會辦各部會在審查當中那這個會加我想國發會會來會來全權來進行想請問國發會那所以是主委現在是由哪一個部會接下來會進行整個產業的開發的主導\n所以產業園區的部分經濟部會主導嗎?現在都還沒有決議嗎?4月15號的那個還專案的這個會議還沒有決議。產業的部分喔,我不是說有中科院的部分,產業的部分。\n就產業就西側的部對因為委員在關切的西側的部分對西側的部分的話他大概相關的因為整個要包括各部會的一個所以我的了解我的了解是中科院提供這個土地那相關的開發的建設的經費在之前的決議裡面由國會來\n部長是不是可以簡單的回應一下您所知道的部分?或者是主委?\n沒關係,我們可以會後再討論,那我主要是希望說．現在在那個初步的會議結論當中,是協調的結果,是由國防部要來接手。那現在這個事情還沒有真的進行下去,我請顧部長再了解一下。好,謝謝院長,謝謝。對7月15日以後的這個會議,如何再繼續的執行。\n好,謝謝,謝謝,那就院長就好了,那我們繼續跟院長質詢,其他部長可以先,謝謝各部會組長,謝謝各部會組長,謝謝部長,謝謝\n院長我為什麼要針對這件事情我希望盡速的瞭解的狀況因為現在會出現時程的問題跟預算的問題如果我們沒有辦法在今年7月核定航太機無人機產業園區的話那就沒有辦法在114年展開建設開發所以我想我們\n未來賴總統的這四年每一分每一秒都是我們發展開拓的一個好機會。所以我不希望有任何一天讓他這個時間流失掉。所以想請教院長說這樣的行程非常的緊大概剩下一個月多的時間可不可以請院長親自來協調一下看怎麼樣可以讓他這個開發可以更加的順遂。\n您說是民雄的這個,我們也一直希望台灣能夠成為亞洲民主的供應鏈,在無人機的這個產業當中,至少我們提供民主的而且是優質的,而且是持續的,所以針對這個專案的處理啊,我想總統也是把它列為相當大的這個五大信貸產業之一,所以我們也一定朝這個方向來做更緊密,所以剛剛\n謝謝委員的提醒,謝謝。\n那第二個事情就是說經費的問題啦,剛才也提到齁,就是說根據財政單位的意見,如果是國防部來去主導開發的話,那中科院大概是要付26億,負擔26億元。那中科院現在已經在推動東側園區的低級工程。\n那接下來還要設備的投資產線的投資我是很擔心他沒有什麼預算來去開發西邊的產業園區所以我是希望建請行政院用公共建設的預算全額去役主那邊來去辦理那邊的園區開發這部分是不是可以請院長來檢討剛剛部長有提到東側大概約25公頃西側是29公頃那相關的預算東側是11億左右西側現在\n好,在請院長能夠優先處理這個部分\n那也是跟我們民雄航太園區從我們最開始的無人機的產業到我們的民雄航太園區無人機產業園區到我們現在相接養的這個民雄鐵路的高架化的部分這個部分要請院長行政院是在2023年5月是有核定嘉義縣市鐵路高架化延伸計畫就是所謂的我們的民雄鐵路高架化那民雄鐵路高架化就是要跟嘉義市區的鐵路高架化來互相連結來去打造這個便利的鐵路運輸系統\n據我的了解,現在的鐵路高架進入是在基本設計的階段。那今年底送工程會審議完就可以進入細部設計的階段。那細部設計大概是半年。那接下來就是臨時軌、高架橋的工程還有民雄車站站體。院長如果整個時程可以順利的走下去,是不是可以在臨時軌的工程在明年的5月就可以正式開始施工?\n是的,本項計畫經費也相當龐大,有173億。\n長期的目標是希望在2031年能夠交高價通車那希望大家我想交通部也在努力能夠在明年的5月讓他能夠臨時軌能夠開工這個是交通部努力的一個目標那這個工程的進行應該是順利另外就是主體工程明年10月是不是可以來趕他盡快的來給他開工\n我必須要強調好因為民雄的鄉親是非常期待鐵路高架化的正式的動工所以當你的第一支高架橋墩的設置你第一段臨時軌道的設置它絕對是會給整個我們這個民雄地區的民眾有很大的振奮感因為他們看到的是次世代的產業跟次世代的這些交通建設全部同時都會做好部長這可不可以請你來全力來促成我們來努力\n接下來要請農業部跟財政部\n議長,我們嘉義當然我是屬於山區的立法委員所以說我們的選區雖然說有10個鄉鎮但是選區面積最大是阿里山鄉那阿里山上面主要都是國有的林地所以山上最重要的就是居住權那居住權的部分\n關於過去國有林立上面有提供既有的居住使用權的部分,原本行政院是打算要修正濫墾地續辦清查的要點。國有林立是從58527改成各地方政府第一次非都市土地辦理使用的公告的日期。\n加一線第一次飛都的公告是75年11月1號那目前這個方案的進度呢我補充一下齁因為各部會對這個方案有疑義是因為大家的第一次飛都的公告時間是有差別的比方說我們加\n陳冠廷陳冠廷\n﹚陳冠廷﹚\n接下來我們請登記第42位徐宇珍委員質詢\n麻煩再請卓院長備詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.347 --> 00:00.367\n聽委員質詢。\n\n00:30.834 --> 00:39.799\n我們請院長還有國防部部長也請國防部部長也請部長備詢\n\n00:47.828 --> 01:01.220\n院長好,院長我想首先祝賀您新任院長,那也希望說未來的這個時間裡面我們可以一起為臺灣來打造一個更好的未來。\n\n01:02.060 --> 01:27.131\n首先要請院長不知道有沒有聽到最近在美國的印太司令部帕帕羅上將有透露出地域景象的戰略意思是說美軍將在未來台海戰事爆發的時候會部署數以千計的無人載具我為什麼說無人載具我不說無人飛行器因為包含這一個海面上海面下這些都是無人載具的一部分那去作為擾亂中國軍隊為美軍爭取時間的這個部分院長怎麼看待美軍的這個戰略\n\n01:32.288 --> 01:57.684\n我們在最近二屋戰爭與哈戰爭當中都陸續可以看到新型態的作戰方式對台灣來講我們從以前到現在一直在認定採取一種不對稱的戰爭對台灣的防衛系統是最有利的那這個部分我想在我們強化國防發展自主國防力量的過程當中一直朝向強化我們防衛系統這個方向來努力的\n\n01:59.185 --> 02:13.198\n顧部長雖然到國防部久我想他也提出了很多對國防部的因心因格的事項當然對於傳統我們在發展的自主國防強化國防力量的這個過程裡面國防部一定扮演最重要的角色我們一定用科技化現代化來進行\n\n02:15.600 --> 02:38.839\n科技化跟現代化那我想無惡戰爭也是一個很好的例子就是說我們希望說利用我們的這種無人機無人艦來去彌補傳統兵力上面的不足甚至來因應來增強那其實這一次您的這一個政府是叫AI政府那AI的這個應用共創新局那AI的應用在這個無人載具上面也有非常大的效用\n\n02:39.580 --> 03:08.788\n所以部長我們現在有建翔反輻射無人機,我們也有騰雲長城增打無人機,還有志榮一號的消防無人艇,你認為我們有足夠的無人機無人艦來配合美軍來執行這個戰略嗎?雖然現在發展台灣的無人機的產業,但是現在來講我們還是要迎頭趕上,那這個部分請部長來說明。跟委員報告,第一個就是說國軍還是要持續這個多元的管道來籌貨這個各類型的無人機來快速形成戰力。\n\n03:10.460 --> 03:34.382\n護和防衛作戰時序所以如果你講說現在是不是足夠我必須很坦誠的講我們還是要持續來進行才能夠配合剛剛你提到的這個帕巴洛上將所提的因為帕巴洛上將所提的這種護和這種所謂利用敵人的破綻攻擊落點的這種的不對稱的作戰的方式我們要跟他配合的話我們不但有足夠的這些\n\n03:35.424 --> 03:45.815\n不同無人機的搭配以外我們還要跟他進行有一些指管敵國的識別然後如何互相配合來運用這個都還需要跟印太要好好的談這件事情\n\n03:46.525 --> 04:10.860\n謝謝部長。我想我們剛才提到的部署無人載具,那包含是海面上海面下,包含在空中飛行,高低配全部都要,不管是進口或者是在國內本土廠商的這個製作。我想在無人戰爭是每天每個月所消耗的這種無人載具是非常大的。所以我們必須要確保我們國內有足夠的產業鏈,還有國內有足夠的企業願意投入這樣子的生產。\n\n04:11.801 --> 04:35.693\n所以我必須還是要說等一下我們會談到民雄的航太園區在那之前我還是要說我們這樣子的需要的這樣的無人機的生產就需要大規模的評測的基地不管是在測試也好不管是提供場地也好不管是在高階一點的無人機我想大家應該知道美軍的這個MQ-9這種高配的這種無人載具或者是比較微型的無人機型\n\n04:36.153 --> 04:36.333\n﹚陳冠廷﹚陳冠廷\n\n05:01.454 --> 05:21.903\n那未來在一些我們非典型的灰色的這種地帶的這種戰略上面對我們的威懾也可以稍微減輕那像是在這次淡水發生的狀況其實如果能夠在大規模的部署相關的這一些機具裝備的話其實都可以更快偵測或者是說在偵測之後可以有其他的相應作為\n\n05:22.443 --> 05:47.793\n所以我是希望說未來能夠跨部會來去做協調因為在農用的、在消防用的跟在軍用的其實他們都有各種不同的應用的方向跟方式我是希望把評測的場地、評測的機制、評測的機會全部都要更加平凡、更加制度化讓每一個在臺灣有志於國防產業的企業都能夠加入我們國軍的這種建軍的規劃方案\n\n05:50.194 --> 06:13.750\n那除了國內當然還有國外的我們包含進口也是非常重要我們希望說未來能夠利用這樣子的無人載具來去彌補說我們可能在人員上面可能沒有辦法像中國有辦法這麼多人口但是我們卻能夠用我們的這種科技來去做一個相應的去做平衡那謝謝部長那我們接下來要請這個國發會主委跟財政部長\n\n06:24.330 --> 06:32.602\n還有顧部長。國防部長。因為這個是民雄航太園區。因為民雄航太園區這邊...顧部長顧部長再請國防部\n\n06:48.111 --> 07:13.658\n部長我簡單的來講一下我們的這個無人產業園區民雄的無人機及航太園區那今年的3月22號我在這邊有問過陳建遠院長關於民雄航太及無人機產業園區的部分那之前的狀況是因為經濟部沒有土地所有權所以他們不想或許也不能進場開發但是國防部有土地所有權但是卻沒有開發的這個經驗那那個時候我問陳院長說要由誰來開發\n\n07:16.618 --> 07:42.684\n那時候陳院長的答覆是說會後會交由副院長來召集協商看是由國防部主責或者是經濟部主責所以我想請教一下我聽到的消息是4月15號有開過一次專業的會議專案的會議就是說要把開發的主導權給國防部我想確認這是已經決議的事情嗎跟委員報告您問的大概是那個民雄縣區的東西側兩側的這個兩個\n\n07:45.543 --> 07:57.800\n那東側基地的部分是中科院大概是25公頃這是中科院西側你關切的西側29公頃的那個部分作為航太及無人機產業這個部分呢要規劃這個相關的民間廠商進駐\n\n08:02.369 --> 08:23.858\n那這個部分應該就是由這個國發會他現在開發建設計畫書大概由國發會來會辦各部會在審查當中那這個會加我想國發會會來會來全權來進行想請問國發會那所以是主委現在是由哪一個部會接下來會進行整個產業的開發的主導\n\n08:27.481 --> 08:32.063\n所以產業園區的部分經濟部會主導嗎?現在都還沒有決議嗎?4月15號的那個還專案的這個會議還沒有決議。產業的部分喔,我不是說有中科院的部分,產業的部分。\n\n08:53.829 --> 09:17.890\n就產業就西側的部對因為委員在關切的西側的部分對西側的部分的話他大概相關的因為整個要包括各部會的一個所以我的了解我的了解是中科院提供這個土地那相關的開發的建設的經費在之前的決議裡面由國會來\n\n09:19.708 --> 09:23.372\n部長是不是可以簡單的回應一下您所知道的部分?或者是主委?\n\n09:40.323 --> 10:00.620\n沒關係,我們可以會後再討論,那我主要是希望說．現在在那個初步的會議結論當中,是協調的結果,是由國防部要來接手。那現在這個事情還沒有真的進行下去,我請顧部長再了解一下。好,謝謝院長,謝謝。對7月15日以後的這個會議,如何再繼續的執行。\n\n10:04.022 --> 10:09.833\n好,謝謝,謝謝,那就院長就好了,那我們繼續跟院長質詢,其他部長可以先,謝謝各部會組長,謝謝各部會組長,謝謝部長,謝謝\n\n10:17.233 --> 10:34.782\n院長我為什麼要針對這件事情我希望盡速的瞭解的狀況因為現在會出現時程的問題跟預算的問題如果我們沒有辦法在今年7月核定航太機無人機產業園區的話那就沒有辦法在114年展開建設開發所以我想我們\n\n10:35.842 --> 10:56.058\n未來賴總統的這四年每一分每一秒都是我們發展開拓的一個好機會。所以我不希望有任何一天讓他這個時間流失掉。所以想請教院長說這樣的行程非常的緊大概剩下一個月多的時間可不可以請院長親自來協調一下看怎麼樣可以讓他這個開發可以更加的順遂。\n\n10:57.353 --> 11:20.957\n您說是民雄的這個,我們也一直希望台灣能夠成為亞洲民主的供應鏈,在無人機的這個產業當中,至少我們提供民主的而且是優質的,而且是持續的,所以針對這個專案的處理啊,我想總統也是把它列為相當大的這個五大信貸產業之一,所以我們也一定朝這個方向來做更緊密,所以剛剛\n\n11:21.755 --> 11:22.255\n謝謝委員的提醒,謝謝。\n\n11:47.810 --> 12:02.921\n那第二個事情就是說經費的問題啦,剛才也提到齁,就是說根據財政單位的意見,如果是國防部來去主導開發的話,那中科院大概是要付26億,負擔26億元。那中科院現在已經在推動東側園區的低級工程。\n\n12:04.682 --> 12:25.514\n那接下來還要設備的投資產線的投資我是很擔心他沒有什麼預算來去開發西邊的產業園區所以我是希望建請行政院用公共建設的預算全額去役主那邊來去辦理那邊的園區開發這部分是不是可以請院長來檢討剛剛部長有提到東側大概約25公頃西側是29公頃那相關的預算東側是11億左右西側現在\n\n12:32.301 --> 12:32.862\n好,在請院長能夠優先處理這個部分\n\n12:52.602 --> 13:20.928\n那也是跟我們民雄航太園區從我們最開始的無人機的產業到我們的民雄航太園區無人機產業園區到我們現在相接養的這個民雄鐵路的高架化的部分這個部分要請院長行政院是在2023年5月是有核定嘉義縣市鐵路高架化延伸計畫就是所謂的我們的民雄鐵路高架化那民雄鐵路高架化就是要跟嘉義市區的鐵路高架化來互相連結來去打造這個便利的鐵路運輸系統\n\n13:22.388 --> 13:47.635\n據我的了解,現在的鐵路高架進入是在基本設計的階段。那今年底送工程會審議完就可以進入細部設計的階段。那細部設計大概是半年。那接下來就是臨時軌、高架橋的工程還有民雄車站站體。院長如果整個時程可以順利的走下去,是不是可以在臨時軌的工程在明年的5月就可以正式開始施工?\n\n13:48.433 --> 13:48.995\n是的,本項計畫經費也相當龐大,有173億。\n\n13:54.156 --> 14:18.402\n長期的目標是希望在2031年能夠交高價通車那希望大家我想交通部也在努力能夠在明年的5月讓他能夠臨時軌能夠開工這個是交通部努力的一個目標那這個工程的進行應該是順利另外就是主體工程明年10月是不是可以來趕他盡快的來給他開工\n\n14:19.273 --> 14:42.996\n我必須要強調好因為民雄的鄉親是非常期待鐵路高架化的正式的動工所以當你的第一支高架橋墩的設置你第一段臨時軌道的設置它絕對是會給整個我們這個民雄地區的民眾有很大的振奮感因為他們看到的是次世代的產業跟次世代的這些交通建設全部同時都會做好部長這可不可以請你來全力來促成我們來努力\n\n14:43.851 --> 14:44.572\n接下來要請農業部跟財政部\n\n15:01.108 --> 15:16.720\n議長,我們嘉義當然我是屬於山區的立法委員所以說我們的選區雖然說有10個鄉鎮但是選區面積最大是阿里山鄉那阿里山上面主要都是國有的林地所以山上最重要的就是居住權那居住權的部分\n\n15:17.941 --> 15:37.293\n關於過去國有林立上面有提供既有的居住使用權的部分,原本行政院是打算要修正濫墾地續辦清查的要點。國有林立是從58527改成各地方政府第一次非都市土地辦理使用的公告的日期。\n\n15:37.873 --> 15:52.084\n加一線第一次飛都的公告是75年11月1號那目前這個方案的進度呢我補充一下齁因為各部會對這個方案有疑義是因為大家的第一次飛都的公告時間是有差別的比方說我們加\n\n15:55.851 --> 15:56.271\n陳冠廷陳冠廷\n\n16:14.315 --> 16:14.535\n﹚陳冠廷﹚\n\n16:55.950 --> 16:56.871\n接下來我們請登記第42位徐宇珍委員質詢\n\n17:16.138 --> 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