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00:02:11,089\n但是這是我方的策略嗎?我不同意。其實我個人要拿出真相基本上在2018年中共政軍發展評估報告當中確實這是我們國防安全研究院的報告但是在第56頁當中他所寫出來的是中國強調首戰集中戰讓美軍衛到戰事已定言下之意\n\n7\n00:02:12,352 --> 00:02:41,021\n部長這裡頭寫的雖然是2018年還沒上任所以這份報告寫的首戰集中戰應該是中國也就是解放軍的策略對吧所以當今天現在馬辦執行長蕭旭辰說這是賴總統指責蔡英文總統時期的投降主義嗎跨著剛剛您所說的說法這是不是丟割倒菜的喔是不是一個偷換概念又或者是因為這上面是\n\n8\n00:02:41,821 --> 00:02:48,407\n反體字他們看不懂,他們只看得懂簡體字嗎?不然為什麼明明白白寫著這是中國強調首戰集中戰但他現在卻說這是蔡英文總統時期的研究報告所以認為蔡英文總統是所謂蔡規賴不遂你覺得這樣說法合理嗎?\n\n9\n00:03:00,775 --> 00:03:22,742\n跟委員報告所戰即終戰這應該是中共主觀的一個期待一廂情願的一個想法所以這個這樣子的一個想法跟我們寸土匕首的這樣子的一個決心我想不一樣那國防院的報告引述的應該是共軍他們\n\n10\n00:03:24,623 --> 00:03:28,768\n他們預期想要達到的目標或是對台的軍事策略,是嗎?\n\n11\n00:03:45,905 --> 00:04:14,222\n好,所以我希望就是說在這個部分部長能夠就像您剛剛所講的真、正確的傳達出來因為畢竟喔現在很容易有歐聯制度然後我們沒有講過的話塞到我們嘴巴裡面就變成好像是我們的報告提出了我們的想法不是這是指中國他們對於台灣策略的想定而不是中華民國國防部是吧\n\n12\n00:04:16,083 --> 00:04:35,335\n接下來呢當然部長上任以來做了很多的軍務革新我特別也跟我的辦公室我們整理了一下包括取消傳統刺槍術廢除軍官休假回報然後官士兵出國就可以不用跟團包括安全檢核管制方式以及媒體到這兩天都還在講的這個免踢正步只要齊步就好了\n\n13\n00:04:39,278 --> 00:04:45,863\n﹏然後作戰戰術回歸參謀長﹏那麼政府主觀留職規定恢復常態我相信這個都是美意因為我們希望所謂形式化的管理可以免就像您所說的我們用檢法的方式但是現在很怕就是上有政策下有對策本席呢最近接到了一些不少的這個抱怨或者是說在網路上找到一些大家所謂的上的上面的政策\n\n14\n00:05:07,079 --> 00:05:15,562\n每議但是執行到下端之後是不是到基層之後就出現了其他的對策好像變成只改了名字但是該做的還是不能少包括定期回報就變成主動回報或者是回報群組就改一個名字\n\n15\n00:05:25,465 --> 00:05:33,731\n﹏或是以互助回報組就會雨後春筍﹏因為時間有限我想問一下就是其實在我們的國軍、官軍、士官、士兵、休假、請假規則或是我們的國軍軍紀維護實施要責裡面其實都沒有所謂要定期回報或者是主動回報這樣的一個項目其實只是都是一些安全提醒那我希望部長可不可以在這裡我們真的明確的給他講一下不要說今天部長的美意\n\n16\n00:05:55,385 --> 00:06:23,978\n打了折然後變成是換了個名義然後讓基層的士官還是覺得說基層的弟兄覺得說哎呀感覺上美意但是我無福消受啊部長跟委員報告我也聽到有一些反應那我因此我有在我們的內部會議裡面也再次的要求那所以在6月6號人事通報令的另一班全軍具體執行的時候呢\n\n17\n00:06:24,598 --> 00:06:44,609\n就是說這個目前的執行的狀況已經納入內部管理督導這個時機來做驗證也就是說他不要再加任何額外其他的規定來做一個限制那希望就是說但是你如果發生什麼事情當然要回報這個\n\n18\n00:06:46,385 --> 00:06:54,110\n好,所以言下之意就是出事了要講一下是這樣子嗎?然後但是一切平安就沒消息就是好消息可以有辦法這樣嗎?還是說現在你所看到的這個主動回報啦或是回報群組啦該怎麼樣來處理或是該怎麼樣來進行有效的管理因為我覺得\n\n19\n00:07:07,259 --> 00:07:07,920\n你怎麼看部長?\n\n20\n00:07:33,483 --> 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