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00:02:30,681\n如果他有一天要武統的話他們希望的策略所以這完全是中共的說法這不是我們台灣人的說法也不是我們台灣人的想定所以當在我們台灣包含我們的國軍沒有人知這是一個中共的想法不是我們的想法的時候拿出說首戰及終戰這樣的投降主義大家不能接受我想在場的所有包含我們黃埔的士兵都一頭吐水我沒有人來接受啊\n\n8\n00:02:31,221 --> 00:02:56,013\n所以我想請問一下部長賴總統這樣講的說法您所看到的有人在認同說因為首戰及終戰所以我們不要跟中國大陸開戰我們如果今天中國大陸來對我們開戰的話我們要直接宣布投降有這樣賴清德總統所謂的投降主義派的話可不可以幫我們點名一下\n\n9\n00:02:57,441 --> 00:03:13,027\n我想總統主要在強調的就是我們要有自我防衛的能力這個我們都認同這個我們都認同但是我想他演講的這個意思主要主要意思是這樣嘛但是因為他的說法就會讓大家揣測說你是不是認為有一些人\n\n10\n00:03:13,567 --> 00:03:17,090\n他認為中共打來我們就投降他反對這樣子的說法那如果有這樣子的一個揣測的話那我們就想知道啊有這樣的說法有這樣的想法的人到底是誰我要陪賴總統一起罵他陪郭部長一起罵他我是願意的\n\n11\n00:03:31,641 --> 00:03:34,304\n我只知道賴總統意思就是要不斷地不斷地強化我們自我防衛的能力\n\n12\n00:03:46,918 --> 00:04:12,446\n我們播一下影片好不好這是第一個影片是我們可以看一下部長您還有旁邊這個吳釗燮、顏德發跟韓國瑜院長跟總統來看一下好我們這個踢著正步的軍人朋友們這個進行了讓大家覺得非常感動的儀式等一下鏡頭會再回到台上當這些踢正步的軍人們只有這樣嗎\n\n13\n00:04:14,026 --> 00:04:21,754\n那你可能放錯了但是再放另外一個好不好第6年油電機器周澤雄代理\n\n14\n00:04:25,987 --> 00:04:54,940\n你放的是一樣的影片你有發現這件事嗎好總之呢那我直接用口述的好不好因為我們的這個助理他沒有放出影片來那基本上呢這個我影片會再傳給媒體朋友第一個狀況呢就是部長您在大家在就是比如說旁邊的軍官在敬禮的時候您有點手足無措的情況就是偷看了一下隔壁的然後呢想說這個時候我應不應該敬禮這是第一點\n\n15\n00:04:55,640 --> 00:05:21,430\n第二點呢我們知道昨天有一個最感人的是我們有平均57歲的這個退役軍官他們組成了一個隊伍然後共同的來踢著正步經過的時候所有全場都給予他們掌聲包含賴總統包含韓院長再包含到所有台上的貴賓但是您當時呢沒有任何的舉措我想問一下部長當時的心情是什麼\n\n16\n00:05:22,455 --> 00:05:37,854\n跟委員報告您講的可能是兩段不同的對兩段兩段一個部分是他先有一個向總統致敬取這一個部分那這一個部分呢當時我想我舉扶手禮\n\n17\n00:05:59,048 --> 00:06:08,702\n但是我還是舉起來我懂我懂我懂部長我覺得你很努力的在融入我們的軍隊這一點我也給你肯定但是我覺得類似這樣的狀況可能我們的包含我們的那個同仁\n\n18\n00:06:15,411 --> 00:06:34,990\n應該要在黃埔事前來跟我們部長好好做說明整個禮儀的過程否則被媒體拍下這樣子的一個影片大家會認為你對於軍隊管理是不夠熟悉的下一個問題也是剛才很多人都問過但是呢我一定要把這個陳情再給大家下一張投影片好不好下一張投影片再下一張\n\n19\n00:06:36,272 --> 00:06:45,162\n這是您在上任之後所做的一些改革。那包含呢,裡面有一個這個是安全查核管制方式。然後還有這個主要是回報的這個部分。\n\n20\n00:06:50,908 --> 00:07:11,189\n．廢除官兵休假回報．有事再回報即可．但這個事情．對於中階長官．在領導基層幹部來說．遇到了一個很大的難題．所以光是這一個禮拜．部長我必須告訴您喔．我們就是光我辦公室．就收到了十幾封的陳情書．我們來看一下所有的陳情好不好．你看．他說．\n\n21\n00:07:13,331 --> 00:07:34,819\n我空軍防空部同學說他們營長解釋二四零零安全回報不用了但二一五零就請前需回報是否反應真的把國防部的命令當成放屁另外一邊講什麼呢不回報改成投票回報他直接在賴群組上面叫大家用投票的方式回報那還不是一樣再來\n\n22\n00:07:36,038 --> 00:07:40,160\n另外一個,監察宣導部長只有說取消回報沒有說取消每日視訊反查發明新名詞厲害吧然後請各單位由互助組長實施視訊反查更麻煩了本來只要寫個LINE而已他現在叫你要視訊然後還要幹嘛截圖回報感謝配合右邊\n\n23\n00:07:59,349 --> 00:08:25,489\n根據政戰部門的示意部長您的說法他自己在解釋欸每週休假呢並不是回報而是反查所以呢早就取資格安全回報在大棚部長就取消了啦這一次的人事不好意思我們主席再借我一分鐘我把這個念完好不好然後呢國防部長本身也只是表示取消安全回報故休假互助組反查並沒有取消後面還有嗎\n\n24\n00:08:26,610 --> 00:08:37,984\n好,就這四篇我最後想要請我們部長回答一件事情就好光是我辦公室一個禮拜我沒有把所有的都放上去因為我知道我的時間不夠類似這樣在國軍基層裡面您所下的指令他們不僅是沒有完全服從還自己善改\n\n25\n00:08:46,474 --> 00:09:01,424\n還把事情弄得更麻煩還用賴投票的方式要他們回復請問一下部長針對這種狀況你打算要怎麼處理請再要回答跟我的報告我已經在內部已經再度要求那如果還有類似的這個狀況我想我會嚴格來執行這樣\n\n26\n00:09:06,167 --> 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