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--> 00:01:10,312\n這個部分在退府會嚴主委在回答的時候他有說大概是100位左右那是之前嘛之前還沒有就是還沒有過去之前說可能大約100位是昨天經過昨天之後我想國防部是不是也可以跟這個退府會這邊了解一下到底有多少人過去\n\n5\n00:01:11,252 --> 00:01:29,580\n那因為這次呢先前其實其他的委員其實也有稍微有之前我聽過他們就是有在問說他們除了去參訪之外參加這次的活動之外讓我們覺得可能要請國安單位或者是說請我們國防部這邊要留意的就是說\n\n6\n00:01:30,860 --> 00:01:57,886\n這些退役的軍人被帶到廈門去辦比如說居住證、敬老證、駕駛證、銀行卡等等因為辦理這些證件是不是需要他們的這些指紋、照片等等我在想這會不會有國安的疑慮這部分我們有掌握嗎?因為之前的報導是這樣昨天黃埔建銷100周年在結束了那你們所掌握到的有沒有相關像報導所提到的這樣子他們到那邊辦了各種的證\n\n7\n00:01:59,827 --> 00:02:26,915\n然後把自己的神武特徵上交給中國有沒有這樣子的狀況?有嗎?這些退軍人到中國去國防部完全還是說這是退府會的事情與你們無關你們好像對這部分完全沒有掌握的感覺我完全不知道無法掌握那就糟糕了\n\n8\n00:02:28,703 --> 00:02:43,123\n因為這個是退役的部分我們再跟那個輔導會那邊再聊一下所以這是輔導會的事情所以國防部這邊完全沒有退了之後就跟國防部就沒有關係了嗎?是這樣子嗎?我在想這應該不太對喔\n\n9\n00:02:53,392 --> 00:03:12,428\n昨天賴清德總統有提到說中華民國在哪裡黃埔精神就在哪裡甚至國民黨的朱立倫主席都說中華民國在哪裡黃埔精神就在哪裡可是我們看得出來有些退役精神對這個部分好像沒有認同我就覺得這是非常糟糕的一件事情\n\n10\n00:03:13,068 --> 00:03:32,185\n稍後20162016年的時候我們有一些退將到中國去訪問還唱了中國的這個國歌那八年過去了我們好像對這些人呢毫無辦法現在我們國防部有沒有掌握到這些人雖然說他們是退役軍人可是他們的這些行為其實對國人會對國軍的整體形象其實是扣分的\n\n11\n00:03:32,705 --> 00:03:32,865\n國防部還蠻失望的。\n\n12\n00:03:53,546 --> 00:04:10,716\n因為我們主要是在以秘密離退人員的核定互入管制的這個期間裡面從三年甚至一到十年當然管制之後我們還是希望這些不要互入參加黨政軍的活動而有妨礙國家尊嚴的這個行為\n\n13\n00:04:13,508 --> 00:04:29,370\n就這一個部分在離開管制的期限之後我們還是會對這些退役的將領們我們來會與關切然後來跟他做充分的說明\n\n14\n00:04:30,131 --> 00:04:52,122\n是啊,我是覺得說這本來就是應該是國防部應該要有延續的這個關注而不是說他退役之後當然我們知道說他有一些限制的年限年限到了之後他們到對到那個中國去做什麼好像就就與國防部無關好像就是跟輔導才是輔導會的這事情我想這部分真的是\n\n15\n00:04:53,222 --> 00:05:21,581\n這個部分委員的指教我們會來跟退伏會好好的研議大家互相來協助因為這是跟國家安全有關係這部分應該是各個部會國安單位都是要來非常重視的部分大家都一起是國安單位的應該是我問到相關的單位應該都有一些認知而不是說這個是他們是退役軍人然後是跟退伏會有關係我覺得這是不OK的事情我想這個包括國安局等等\n\n16\n00:05:23,122 --> 00:05:45,172\n國安局、國防部、退府會,我想這是跟你們有關係欸,本期是這麼認為啦,不是說我問到這問題你們的答案,所以我不知道多少人有過去,然後我不曉得他們做什麼,到底有沒有去做這些政見,你們都還是沒有掌握。我覺得這是不對的,都是國安單位都是要注意的事情。好,那除了說,除了這些退役軍官呢,\n\n17\n00:05:46,372 --> 00:05:46,392\n﹝廣告﹞\n\n18\n00:06:12,894 --> 00:06:26,704\n我們行政單位對小紅書也好抖音也好我們是禁止這些軟體的使用嘛我們官方目前全面的禁止嘛對不對是可是你知道嗎部長你知道嗎像台灣有好幾百萬人在用小紅書用抖音\n\n19\n00:06:31,787 --> 00:06:31,807\n請問部長﹗\n\n20\n00:06:59,428 --> 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