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00:02:08,007\n但我不知道部長知不知道其實有很多年輕人他其實不願重軍很重要的原因是因為他們會想到的不是只是報效國家這一段他想到的事情是如果他離開了軍隊以後他找下一份工作如果都會是覺得從零開始的話那沒有什麼重要的累積的話他就會開始思考那我到底要不要去\n\n7\n00:02:11,411 --> 00:02:30,528\n參與我們國軍的招募或者這個對他來講代價會不會太大他會不會走上這一條路以後接下來他的人生會更加的辛苦所以其實我們把軍職的這個轉職能夠做好最大的受益者我在經過這一番了解後我發現最大的受益者\n\n8\n00:02:31,684 --> 00:02:41,324\n不是退府會其實是國防部部長同不同意是這個在他軍裡的生涯過程當中他\n\n9\n00:03:04,477 --> 00:03:18,069\n那當時這個軍民職業的對照他其實是一個很簡單的這個職業別的對照看一下螢幕上面他大概就把我們空軍的飛行員他大概就說你可以轉職去開民航機軍卡的駕駛那大概就說你可以轉民間卡車的執照\n\n10\n00:03:19,335 --> 00:03:30,084\n所以在這個狀況之下比如說我們野戰部隊裝甲兵就沒有對應的民間的職業了這是那時候我們發生的狀況所以當時這744項軍隊的職務裡面只有少數可以直接對應的狀況下其實當時這個計畫\n\n11\n00:03:36,969 --> 00:04:01,843\n最後是失敗告終的所以不然我現在談的不是簡單的職業對照是我們能不能參考其他部會見這我也問過退輔會比方說在勞動部裡面他其實花了很大的力氣去找各個包括一些專家學者來針對他們職能內涵的轉換來拆分舉例來說他把它拆成幾個層次在主要職責上工作任務上跟這些工作任務背後需要什麼知識、技能\n\n12\n00:04:19,790 --> 00:04:37,848\n所有需求的部會裡面只有國防部還沒有建立這個職能基準的這樣的對照的分析再加上大家都知道其實軍隊其實比別的部會來的封閉的所以其他的民間公司很難想像我們這裡面一些官科到底是在做什麼我們這邊舉個例子如果你是一個裝甲營的營長\n\n13\n00:04:40,530 --> 00:05:00,820\n一個中小企業的老闆他看到你的履歷上面寫戰車營營長他大概想的事情是說我們又沒有坦克車所以你到我們這邊來要做什麼可是如果今天國防部可以協助他們把這個職能的內涵給分析清楚的話你大概就知道說其實一個營長他要管\n\n14\n00:05:01,340 --> 00:05:02,141\n我們相信下一階段的職能轉換\n\n15\n00:05:30,660 --> 00:05:57,800\n很多企業的老闆就會完全看出不同的這個人背後的潛力甚至聘用的這個吸引力就會完全的不同部長同意嗎?是,我同意但是這個工作到目前為止其實大家談的很久其他部會都做了但我們現在看到反而是我們國防部跟退伏會還沒做所以大概在一個多月前我其實也問過退伏會退伏會說目前那個顏德發\n\n16\n00:05:59,221 --> 00:06:28,092\n主委跟我說他們願意來做甚至他們說他們願意出錢所以我今天為什麼要在這個地方再問一次顧部長因為我們很清楚知道就算今天退府會出錢可是大部分的人力資源資料抱歉還是在國防部的手上所以國防部在這個事情上面是什麼態度我認為就是非常非常關鍵甚至我都認為比退府會更關鍵所以部長你覺得這些下面的工作你有沒有打算往這個方向來推動或怎麼推動\n\n17\n00:06:28,775 --> 00:06:53,110\n有,事實上跟委員報告因為我看到那個退伍會來這裡的時候就提到說好像大院有希望他們提出一些方案出來我是六月初的時候先問了他們對,那我當時就跟原主委我有跟他講我就說國防部應該要跟退伍會來合作來做好這些事情所以我\n\n18\n00:06:55,171 --> 00:07:10,854\n事實上也瞭解我們現行的這個做法是沒有辦法達到這個崗委員的這個期待所以我現在會來積極的來建立這樣子你剛剛講的這個職能轉換他這個相關的這些不是那麼簡單的講就是說你的戰車營營長然後就對照到民間的這個關聯的專長這樣子的部分應該是從他\n\n19\n00:07:23,977 --> 00:07:27,719\n指揚的理念上來看指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚\n\n20\n00:07:50,111 --> 00:08:18,764\n以我們看到勞動部或者是教育部來說的話他們做這個盤點的工作是做了數年的工作也不是一觸可擊就完成達成的事情他們確實是這樣所以今天如果部長願意往這個地方開始當然我覺得給他給予很大的肯定可是我是希望說有沒有可能我們其實有一個節奏甚至是有一些優先比方說我們來看2023年新退的官兵大概一萬五千人裡面這個布號裝的戰鬥官科裡面站\n\n21\n00:08:46,447 --> 00:09:11,977\n委員指導出這一個部分我們到現在為止做連結之間的一個弱點的這個點就布泡裝的這個部分事實上背後的職能知識跟他的經驗的累積是什麼這件事情我們要好好來檢討然後來跟民間職業做做做銜接我聽出你願意往這個方向去可是有幾件事情我想我可不可以請你在一個月內跟退府會\n\n22\n00:09:12,737 --> 00:09:34,864\n你們可以討論一個你們在這個這麼大的計畫裡面你們的分工關係是什麼那一個月讓我們知道送到這個外交國防委員會讓我們知道你們的分工關係這裡面你們的協同關係是什麼這是第一點第二點我們也希望說是不是可以每三個月來跟我們立法院來報告一次你們這事情的進度三個月\n\n23\n00:09:38,267 --> 00:09:54,907\n我來跟退伍會好好地討論一下因為我事實上對這件事情是很重所以我才會跟原主委有講當然我退伍會是能不能夠跟國防部在這個部分做配合未來我們就三個月排一次專報他就會來\n\n24\n00:09:56,608 --> 00:09:57,869\n謝謝洪山委員部長請回我們休息五分鐘\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n569\t22187\t請顧部長來,部長請是,洪委員好部長,這個我今天其實是想要來跟部長討論的還是是我們其實在這個很多我們軍職的人員那退伍以後的這個狀況\n24709\t42104\t在1991年的波灣戰爭的時候我們其實看到這個美軍的後勤的司令其實其中有一個中將那他其實為了這個物流的管理那設計了整個條碼的系統那這個打完仗以後退役後他其實就到一個很知名的百貨公司去當副總\n44045\t59390\t其實這是一個非常好的案例其實軍事相關的物流管理的經驗它其實就成為下一段質押的累積那我們今天在討論到的是這個軍職轉換的問題其實我們知道現在有很多軍校的學生他們從15歲、18歲進入軍隊裡面過去的想法是\n63191\t78481\t他其實退伍就退休了但是我們都很清楚知道現在狀況可能不是這樣我想給部長看一下這是我們從退伍會這邊拿到統計的資料在近三年的退伍人員裡面第一類的平均的人員退伍時間是41歲\n80602\t104141\t第二類官兵63.7%平均退伍年齡26歲所以很明顯大家知道其實這個軍職只是他執牙的第一戰絕對不會是中戰我知道現在國防部花很多力氣在思考怎麼再去做招募其實這次不管執政黨也好在野黨也好大家都給很多的壓力\n105134\t128007\t但我不知道部長知不知道其實有很多年輕人他其實不願重軍很重要的原因是因為他們會想到的不是只是報效國家這一段他想到的事情是如果他離開了軍隊以後他找下一份工作如果都會是覺得從零開始的話那沒有什麼重要的累積的話他就會開始思考那我到底要不要去\n131411\t150528\t參與我們國軍的招募或者這個對他來講代價會不會太大他會不會走上這一條路以後接下來他的人生會更加的辛苦所以其實我們把軍職的這個轉職能夠做好最大的受益者我在經過這一番了解後我發現最大的受益者\n151684\t161324\t不是退府會其實是國防部部長同不同意是這個在他軍裡的生涯過程當中他\n163319\t184377\t⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯\n184477\t198069\t那當時這個軍民職業的對照他其實是一個很簡單的這個職業別的對照看一下螢幕上面他大概就把我們空軍的飛行員他大概就說你可以轉職去開民航機軍卡的駕駛那大概就說你可以轉民間卡車的執照\n199335\t210084\t所以在這個狀況之下比如說我們野戰部隊裝甲兵就沒有對應的民間的職業了這是那時候我們發生的狀況所以當時這744項軍隊的職務裡面只有少數可以直接對應的狀況下其實當時這個計畫\n216969\t241843\t最後是失敗告終的所以不然我現在談的不是簡單的職業對照是我們能不能參考其他部會見這我也問過退輔會比方說在勞動部裡面他其實花了很大的力氣去找各個包括一些專家學者來針對他們職能內涵的轉換來拆分舉例來說他把它拆成幾個層次在主要職責上工作任務上跟這些工作任務背後需要什麼知識、技能\n242363\t259650\t﹏﹏\n259790\t277848\t所有需求的部會裡面只有國防部還沒有建立這個職能基準的這樣的對照的分析再加上大家都知道其實軍隊其實比別的部會來的封閉的所以其他的民間公司很難想像我們這裡面一些官科到底是在做什麼我們這邊舉個例子如果你是一個裝甲營的營長\n280530\t300820\t一個中小企業的老闆他看到你的履歷上面寫戰車營營長他大概想的事情是說我們又沒有坦克車所以你到我們這邊來要做什麼可是如果今天國防部可以協助他們把這個職能的內涵給分析清楚的話你大概就知道說其實一個營長他要管\n301340\t302141\t我們相信下一階段的職能轉換\n330660\t357800\t很多企業的老闆就會完全看出不同的這個人背後的潛力甚至聘用的這個吸引力就會完全的不同部長同意嗎?是,我同意但是這個工作到目前為止其實大家談的很久其他部會都做了但我們現在看到反而是我們國防部跟退伏會還沒做所以大概在一個多月前我其實也問過退伏會退伏會說目前那個顏德發\n359221\t388092\t主委跟我說他們願意來做甚至他們說他們願意出錢所以我今天為什麼要在這個地方再問一次顧部長因為我們很清楚知道就算今天退府會出錢可是大部分的人力資源資料抱歉還是在國防部的手上所以國防部在這個事情上面是什麼態度我認為就是非常非常關鍵甚至我都認為比退府會更關鍵所以部長你覺得這些下面的工作你有沒有打算往這個方向來推動或怎麼推動\n388775\t413110\t有,事實上跟委員報告因為我看到那個退伍會來這裡的時候就提到說好像大院有希望他們提出一些方案出來我是六月初的時候先問了他們對,那我當時就跟原主委我有跟他講我就說國防部應該要跟退伍會來合作來做好這些事情所以我\n415171\t430854\t事實上也瞭解我們現行的這個做法是沒有辦法達到這個崗委員的這個期待所以我現在會來積極的來建立這樣子你剛剛講的這個職能轉換他這個相關的這些不是那麼簡單的講就是說你的戰車營營長然後就對照到民間的這個關聯的專長這樣子的部分應該是從他\n443977\t447719\t指揚的理念上來看指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚\n470111\t498764\t以我們看到勞動部或者是教育部來說的話他們做這個盤點的工作是做了數年的工作也不是一觸可擊就完成達成的事情他們確實是這樣所以今天如果部長願意往這個地方開始當然我覺得給他給予很大的肯定可是我是希望說有沒有可能我們其實有一個節奏甚至是有一些優先比方說我們來看2023年新退的官兵大概一萬五千人裡面這個布號裝的戰鬥官科裡面站\n499684\t526067\t對﹗\n526447\t551977\t委員指導出這一個部分我們到現在為止做連結之間的一個弱點的這個點就布泡裝的這個部分事實上背後的職能知識跟他的經驗的累積是什麼這件事情我們要好好來檢討然後來跟民間職業做做做銜接我聽出你願意往這個方向去可是有幾件事情我想我可不可以請你在一個月內跟退府會\n552737\t574864\t你們可以討論一個你們在這個這麼大的計畫裡面你們的分工關係是什麼那一個月讓我們知道送到這個外交國防委員會讓我們知道你們的分工關係這裡面你們的協同關係是什麼這是第一點第二點我們也希望說是不是可以每三個月來跟我們立法院來報告一次你們這事情的進度三個月\n578267\t594907\t我來跟退伍會好好地討論一下因為我事實上對這件事情是很重所以我才會跟原主委有講當然我退伍會是能不能夠跟國防部在這個部分做配合未來我們就三個月排一次專報他就會來\n596608\t597869\t謝謝洪山委員 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我們休息五分鐘\n","txt":"請顧部長來,部長請是,洪委員好部長,這個我今天其實是想要來跟部長討論的還是是我們其實在這個很多我們軍職的人員那退伍以後的這個狀況\n在1991年的波灣戰爭的時候我們其實看到這個美軍的後勤的司令其實其中有一個中將那他其實為了這個物流的管理那設計了整個條碼的系統那這個打完仗以後退役後他其實就到一個很知名的百貨公司去當副總\n其實這是一個非常好的案例其實軍事相關的物流管理的經驗它其實就成為下一段質押的累積那我們今天在討論到的是這個軍職轉換的問題其實我們知道現在有很多軍校的學生他們從15歲、18歲進入軍隊裡面過去的想法是\n他其實退伍就退休了但是我們都很清楚知道現在狀況可能不是這樣我想給部長看一下這是我們從退伍會這邊拿到統計的資料在近三年的退伍人員裡面第一類的平均的人員退伍時間是41歲\n第二類官兵63.7%平均退伍年齡26歲所以很明顯大家知道其實這個軍職只是他執牙的第一戰絕對不會是中戰我知道現在國防部花很多力氣在思考怎麼再去做招募其實這次不管執政黨也好在野黨也好大家都給很多的壓力\n但我不知道部長知不知道其實有很多年輕人他其實不願重軍很重要的原因是因為他們會想到的不是只是報效國家這一段他想到的事情是如果他離開了軍隊以後他找下一份工作如果都會是覺得從零開始的話那沒有什麼重要的累積的話他就會開始思考那我到底要不要去\n參與我們國軍的招募或者這個對他來講代價會不會太大他會不會走上這一條路以後接下來他的人生會更加的辛苦所以其實我們把軍職的這個轉職能夠做好最大的受益者我在經過這一番了解後我發現最大的受益者\n不是退府會其實是國防部部長同不同意是這個在他軍裡的生涯過程當中他\n⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯\n那當時這個軍民職業的對照他其實是一個很簡單的這個職業別的對照看一下螢幕上面他大概就把我們空軍的飛行員他大概就說你可以轉職去開民航機軍卡的駕駛那大概就說你可以轉民間卡車的執照\n所以在這個狀況之下比如說我們野戰部隊裝甲兵就沒有對應的民間的職業了這是那時候我們發生的狀況所以當時這744項軍隊的職務裡面只有少數可以直接對應的狀況下其實當時這個計畫\n最後是失敗告終的所以不然我現在談的不是簡單的職業對照是我們能不能參考其他部會見這我也問過退輔會比方說在勞動部裡面他其實花了很大的力氣去找各個包括一些專家學者來針對他們職能內涵的轉換來拆分舉例來說他把它拆成幾個層次在主要職責上工作任務上跟這些工作任務背後需要什麼知識、技能\n﹏﹏\n所有需求的部會裡面只有國防部還沒有建立這個職能基準的這樣的對照的分析再加上大家都知道其實軍隊其實比別的部會來的封閉的所以其他的民間公司很難想像我們這裡面一些官科到底是在做什麼我們這邊舉個例子如果你是一個裝甲營的營長\n一個中小企業的老闆他看到你的履歷上面寫戰車營營長他大概想的事情是說我們又沒有坦克車所以你到我們這邊來要做什麼可是如果今天國防部可以協助他們把這個職能的內涵給分析清楚的話你大概就知道說其實一個營長他要管\n我們相信下一階段的職能轉換\n很多企業的老闆就會完全看出不同的這個人背後的潛力甚至聘用的這個吸引力就會完全的不同部長同意嗎?是,我同意但是這個工作到目前為止其實大家談的很久其他部會都做了但我們現在看到反而是我們國防部跟退伏會還沒做所以大概在一個多月前我其實也問過退伏會退伏會說目前那個顏德發\n主委跟我說他們願意來做甚至他們說他們願意出錢所以我今天為什麼要在這個地方再問一次顧部長因為我們很清楚知道就算今天退府會出錢可是大部分的人力資源資料抱歉還是在國防部的手上所以國防部在這個事情上面是什麼態度我認為就是非常非常關鍵甚至我都認為比退府會更關鍵所以部長你覺得這些下面的工作你有沒有打算往這個方向來推動或怎麼推動\n有,事實上跟委員報告因為我看到那個退伍會來這裡的時候就提到說好像大院有希望他們提出一些方案出來我是六月初的時候先問了他們對,那我當時就跟原主委我有跟他講我就說國防部應該要跟退伍會來合作來做好這些事情所以我\n事實上也瞭解我們現行的這個做法是沒有辦法達到這個崗委員的這個期待所以我現在會來積極的來建立這樣子你剛剛講的這個職能轉換他這個相關的這些不是那麼簡單的講就是說你的戰車營營長然後就對照到民間的這個關聯的專長這樣子的部分應該是從他\n指揚的理念上來看指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚\n以我們看到勞動部或者是教育部來說的話他們做這個盤點的工作是做了數年的工作也不是一觸可擊就完成達成的事情他們確實是這樣所以今天如果部長願意往這個地方開始當然我覺得給他給予很大的肯定可是我是希望說有沒有可能我們其實有一個節奏甚至是有一些優先比方說我們來看2023年新退的官兵大概一萬五千人裡面這個布號裝的戰鬥官科裡面站\n對﹗\n委員指導出這一個部分我們到現在為止做連結之間的一個弱點的這個點就布泡裝的這個部分事實上背後的職能知識跟他的經驗的累積是什麼這件事情我們要好好來檢討然後來跟民間職業做做做銜接我聽出你願意往這個方向去可是有幾件事情我想我可不可以請你在一個月內跟退府會\n你們可以討論一個你們在這個這麼大的計畫裡面你們的分工關係是什麼那一個月讓我們知道送到這個外交國防委員會讓我們知道你們的分工關係這裡面你們的協同關係是什麼這是第一點第二點我們也希望說是不是可以每三個月來跟我們立法院來報告一次你們這事情的進度三個月\n我來跟退伍會好好地討論一下因為我事實上對這件事情是很重所以我才會跟原主委有講當然我退伍會是能不能夠跟國防部在這個部分做配合未來我們就三個月排一次專報他就會來\n謝謝洪山委員 部長請回 我們休息五分鐘\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.569 --> 00:22.187\n請顧部長來,部長請是,洪委員好部長,這個我今天其實是想要來跟部長討論的還是是我們其實在這個很多我們軍職的人員那退伍以後的這個狀況\n\n00:24.709 --> 00:42.104\n在1991年的波灣戰爭的時候我們其實看到這個美軍的後勤的司令其實其中有一個中將那他其實為了這個物流的管理那設計了整個條碼的系統那這個打完仗以後退役後他其實就到一個很知名的百貨公司去當副總\n\n00:44.045 --> 00:59.390\n其實這是一個非常好的案例其實軍事相關的物流管理的經驗它其實就成為下一段質押的累積那我們今天在討論到的是這個軍職轉換的問題其實我們知道現在有很多軍校的學生他們從15歲、18歲進入軍隊裡面過去的想法是\n\n01:03.191 --> 01:18.481\n他其實退伍就退休了但是我們都很清楚知道現在狀況可能不是這樣我想給部長看一下這是我們從退伍會這邊拿到統計的資料在近三年的退伍人員裡面第一類的平均的人員退伍時間是41歲\n\n01:20.602 --> 01:44.141\n第二類官兵63.7%平均退伍年齡26歲所以很明顯大家知道其實這個軍職只是他執牙的第一戰絕對不會是中戰我知道現在國防部花很多力氣在思考怎麼再去做招募其實這次不管執政黨也好在野黨也好大家都給很多的壓力\n\n01:45.134 --> 02:08.007\n但我不知道部長知不知道其實有很多年輕人他其實不願重軍很重要的原因是因為他們會想到的不是只是報效國家這一段他想到的事情是如果他離開了軍隊以後他找下一份工作如果都會是覺得從零開始的話那沒有什麼重要的累積的話他就會開始思考那我到底要不要去\n\n02:11.411 --> 02:30.528\n參與我們國軍的招募或者這個對他來講代價會不會太大他會不會走上這一條路以後接下來他的人生會更加的辛苦所以其實我們把軍職的這個轉職能夠做好最大的受益者我在經過這一番了解後我發現最大的受益者\n\n02:31.684 --> 02:41.324\n不是退府會其實是國防部部長同不同意是這個在他軍裡的生涯過程當中他\n\n03:04.477 --> 03:18.069\n那當時這個軍民職業的對照他其實是一個很簡單的這個職業別的對照看一下螢幕上面他大概就把我們空軍的飛行員他大概就說你可以轉職去開民航機軍卡的駕駛那大概就說你可以轉民間卡車的執照\n\n03:19.335 --> 03:30.084\n所以在這個狀況之下比如說我們野戰部隊裝甲兵就沒有對應的民間的職業了這是那時候我們發生的狀況所以當時這744項軍隊的職務裡面只有少數可以直接對應的狀況下其實當時這個計畫\n\n03:36.969 --> 04:01.843\n最後是失敗告終的所以不然我現在談的不是簡單的職業對照是我們能不能參考其他部會見這我也問過退輔會比方說在勞動部裡面他其實花了很大的力氣去找各個包括一些專家學者來針對他們職能內涵的轉換來拆分舉例來說他把它拆成幾個層次在主要職責上工作任務上跟這些工作任務背後需要什麼知識、技能\n\n04:19.790 --> 04:37.848\n所有需求的部會裡面只有國防部還沒有建立這個職能基準的這樣的對照的分析再加上大家都知道其實軍隊其實比別的部會來的封閉的所以其他的民間公司很難想像我們這裡面一些官科到底是在做什麼我們這邊舉個例子如果你是一個裝甲營的營長\n\n04:40.530 --> 05:00.820\n一個中小企業的老闆他看到你的履歷上面寫戰車營營長他大概想的事情是說我們又沒有坦克車所以你到我們這邊來要做什麼可是如果今天國防部可以協助他們把這個職能的內涵給分析清楚的話你大概就知道說其實一個營長他要管\n\n05:01.340 --> 05:02.141\n我們相信下一階段的職能轉換\n\n05:30.660 --> 05:57.800\n很多企業的老闆就會完全看出不同的這個人背後的潛力甚至聘用的這個吸引力就會完全的不同部長同意嗎?是,我同意但是這個工作到目前為止其實大家談的很久其他部會都做了但我們現在看到反而是我們國防部跟退伏會還沒做所以大概在一個多月前我其實也問過退伏會退伏會說目前那個顏德發\n\n05:59.221 --> 06:28.092\n主委跟我說他們願意來做甚至他們說他們願意出錢所以我今天為什麼要在這個地方再問一次顧部長因為我們很清楚知道就算今天退府會出錢可是大部分的人力資源資料抱歉還是在國防部的手上所以國防部在這個事情上面是什麼態度我認為就是非常非常關鍵甚至我都認為比退府會更關鍵所以部長你覺得這些下面的工作你有沒有打算往這個方向來推動或怎麼推動\n\n06:28.775 --> 06:53.110\n有,事實上跟委員報告因為我看到那個退伍會來這裡的時候就提到說好像大院有希望他們提出一些方案出來我是六月初的時候先問了他們對,那我當時就跟原主委我有跟他講我就說國防部應該要跟退伍會來合作來做好這些事情所以我\n\n06:55.171 --> 07:10.854\n事實上也瞭解我們現行的這個做法是沒有辦法達到這個崗委員的這個期待所以我現在會來積極的來建立這樣子你剛剛講的這個職能轉換他這個相關的這些不是那麼簡單的講就是說你的戰車營營長然後就對照到民間的這個關聯的專長這樣子的部分應該是從他\n\n07:23.977 --> 07:27.719\n指揚的理念上來看指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚指揚\n\n07:50.111 --> 08:18.764\n以我們看到勞動部或者是教育部來說的話他們做這個盤點的工作是做了數年的工作也不是一觸可擊就完成達成的事情他們確實是這樣所以今天如果部長願意往這個地方開始當然我覺得給他給予很大的肯定可是我是希望說有沒有可能我們其實有一個節奏甚至是有一些優先比方說我們來看2023年新退的官兵大概一萬五千人裡面這個布號裝的戰鬥官科裡面站\n\n08:46.447 --> 09:11.977\n委員指導出這一個部分我們到現在為止做連結之間的一個弱點的這個點就布泡裝的這個部分事實上背後的職能知識跟他的經驗的累積是什麼這件事情我們要好好來檢討然後來跟民間職業做做做銜接我聽出你願意往這個方向去可是有幾件事情我想我可不可以請你在一個月內跟退府會\n\n09:12.737 --> 09:34.864\n你們可以討論一個你們在這個這麼大的計畫裡面你們的分工關係是什麼那一個月讓我們知道送到這個外交國防委員會讓我們知道你們的分工關係這裡面你們的協同關係是什麼這是第一點第二點我們也希望說是不是可以每三個月來跟我們立法院來報告一次你們這事情的進度三個月\n\n09:38.267 --> 09:54.907\n我來跟退伍會好好地討論一下因為我事實上對這件事情是很重所以我才會跟原主委有講當然我退伍會是能不能夠跟國防部在這個部分做配合未來我們就三個月排一次專報他就會來\n\n09:56.608 --> 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