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00:01:51,213\n特別是在這些重要的科技巨頭從Google或者是一些科技大公司在美國的Meta等等還有現在新興的AI的公司、新能源等等它這個趨勢是非常的明顯所以當我們講國防或者是說國家安全的創新管道的時候我希望是不是以一個部門為主那我們是把自己想像成是一個加速器也好或者是一個催化劑也好應該會更加妥適\n\n6\n00:01:54,278 --> 00:02:16,685\n部長你覺得國防創新是一個管道還是一個它是什麼樣的你怎麼看在DIU在台灣的可能性你把它當成是什麼樣的一個組織是一個引進先進成熟的技術跟產品然後結合國內的產業還有包括中科院的科研能量來加速建構不對稱戰力\n\n7\n00:02:18,368 --> 00:02:36,275\n謝謝部長講的沒錯那他其實他變成說他不是一個組織然後一個由國防部全力在推動技術發展他就不是中科院他是在每一個不同的領域上面都能夠有重要的表現我為什麼特別這樣子談因為\n\n8\n00:02:36,775 --> 00:02:48,705\n在美國的DIU它主要的有六個專門解決國家安全的組合人工智能、自主技術、能源還有太空還有網路安全等等六大產業的這個部分那我們希望來下一頁\n\n9\n00:02:50,438 --> 00:03:07,470\n他不僅是一個管道他是一個生態圈從民間來講我們現在剛剛提到的那六大國家安全的範疇其實是需要的這一個部門從科技界、生技業還有網路安全、金融界、法律界、國防\n\n10\n00:03:07,950 --> 00:03:31,440\n退伍軍人、中階、高階、創業家、技術人員都是在這個裡面我們是希望說他可以在每一個系統都能夠有我們部會來去參與來去協助、來去加速比方說這一些來自科技、衛生、基業或者是創業家他們想要進入國防產業的話首先他們要知道說我們現在各個基地也好或者是各個部門也好\n\n11\n00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:57,035\n他們現在在做什麼?他們面臨的問題是什麼?挑戰是什麼?甚至是預算上面的這個範疇是什麼?所以首先他們必須有一個bootcamp就像是在2015年的時候當他們開始DIU下一個X他也不知道說這個可以走多久他就直到最近應該是從去年開始這一個DIU的這一個主任才正式向國防部部長報告直接報告以前都還會有各個分層科可能的管理\n\n12\n00:03:57,458 --> 00:04:13,708\n所以這是經過8年的這個試驗之後有一個更完整的系統出來所以我現在把這個聖誕圈簡單的用圖示的方式講出來就是說我們能夠參與的地方其實從教育開始就能夠參與教育的意思不是叫他們過來我告訴你們你們該做什麼\n\n13\n00:04:15,109 --> 00:04:39,201\n而是把他們叫過來跟大家說這是現在我們的國防現況中科院現在大概在研究哪一個範疇大概是要做完整的背景查核所以跟顧部長之前講的接密的層級過他的國家安全的背景查核就很重要了因為他們可能沒有軍階這些民間人是怎麼會有軍階所以他們的涉密層級跟他們未來的涉密的這種背景查核就很重要所以國家安全是一環接著一環的\n\n14\n00:04:39,821 --> 00:04:54,380\n把他們經過12週以上的啟動營經過訓練之後再進入我們的簡單的原型跟初級方案我現在講的是DIU現在已經正在做的事情那裡面當然有美國他們自己軍種各個不同他們提出他們的問題\n\n15\n00:04:55,821 --> 00:05:16,233\n提出問題之後讓這一些由科技業、生技業、創業家組成的小組這個小組是可能來自四、五個不同的背景組成了一個小組用真案的方式用最簡單、最小的方案先讓他們去嘗試那經過嘗試之後他們可以把他們的原型跟初期方案提供給相關單位不管是國防部、國安局還是科技部\n\n16\n00:05:16,733 --> 00:05:44,628\n當然國防的加速器就是由國防部來去提供相關的設備跟實驗室資源讓他們免去最初的資源投入我們講的不僅僅是已經是我們已經成了上市企業公司什麼經緯等等這些或者是我們過去這個漢翔由國家做的我們講的是中小企業就可以開始進入這個國防的產業在美國DIU從成案到這個招標和契約的週期是90天\n\n17\n00:05:45,871 --> 00:06:11,129\n今天開始三個月後就已經成案就已經招標完成當然我們講的不是說大型的這種軍事的採購不是不是像潛艇不是像這種教練機等等不是像小型的解決方案因為我們未來運的挑戰不見得是這種大型需要二三十年規劃的而是每一個結構體我們都必須要先做好準備所以從國防的加速到這個金融的加速比方說天使基金的投入A輪B輪之後\n\n18\n00:06:12,470 --> 00:06:36,369\n當他們成為國防部的這種合格廠商同時也可以成為我們向國際社會說這已經經過我們國防部或者是我們相關的官方單位印證出來的產業的企業那之後提供給我們在國際的友邦包含烏克蘭我們變成是說是一個由品牌由國家跟民間企業共同它表示說它不是關閉在一個黑盒子裡面\n\n19\n00:06:37,190 --> 00:07:01,736\n他是能夠出去跟其他國家挑戰的經過這樣的認證我們還可以進入美國的國防產業鏈所以我們要打造的是一個國家安全創新的生態圈而這個生態圈我是希望是說是能夠依照它的特色比方說是跟生技相關的是跟科技相關的所謂科技你幫我剛剛我們講到無人機啊或者是水上水下載具等等都算來去偵測部門\n\n20\n00:07:03,738 --> 00:07:25,169\n我記得DIAU在美國大概是從波士頓也有在麻州在他們DC都有也就是說他們在因應這一個地理特色比方說在波士頓可能是生技產業為主的cluster在這個生技產業裡面他們辦公室設在那邊就可以與當地的企業甚至是來自這些重大的這些高等教育出來的學生就直接可以合作\n\n21\n00:07:25,729 --> 00:07:47,109\n那如果剛剛就不用講說麻省理工學院或者是哈佛大學所在地等等所以我們必須要因應區域還有這個地區的特色設置辦公室並且直接與這些民間企業開始接洽所以它必須是跨部會的那我們現在講的國防的創新設施從剛剛講到現在從國防部、科技部甚至是跟我們金融都有相關\n\n22\n00:07:47,910 --> 00:07:55,592\n所以我是希望說部長過去不管是在金融、在法律現在是國防部的部長如果能的話\n\n23\n00:07:56,820 --> 00:07:58,841\n我再講一次吹話機最後我\n\n24\n00:08:23,814 --> 00:08:52,357\n講完這個是想要請教第二個部分這是再給我10秒鐘謝謝主席主席關於這個低軌衛星因為我們知道上次應該說上週我們針對這個民雄航太園區的規劃那我們提到無人機產業那還有航太的部分我想請問顧部長是不是有可能讓航太像是低軌衛星的這些產業能夠進駐我們民雄航太園區由中科院主導的東部的這個東廠區的部分有沒有可能\n\n25\n00:08:53,218 --> 00:09:19,908\n我跟委員報告,我是聯六的次長現在目前我們所引進的低軌衛星是由數位部做整體的規劃有關於國防部的所有的需求都已經納入到整個案子裡面來做整體的規劃預計在今年我們可以獲得我們所有的一些相關的裝備\n\n26\n00:09:25,805 --> 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camp就像是在2015年的時候當他們開始DIU下一個X他也不知道說這個可以走多久他就直到最近應該是從去年開始這一個DIU的這一個主任才正式向國防部部長報告直接報告以前都還會有各個分層科可能的管理\n237458\t253708\t所以這是經過8年的這個試驗之後有一個更完整的系統出來所以我現在把這個聖誕圈簡單的用圖示的方式講出來就是說我們能夠參與的地方其實從教育開始就能夠參與教育的意思不是叫他們過來我告訴你們你們該做什麼\n255109\t279201\t而是把他們叫過來跟大家說這是現在我們的國防現況中科院現在大概在研究哪一個範疇大概是要做完整的背景查核所以跟顧部長之前講的接密的層級過他的國家安全的背景查核就很重要了因為他們可能沒有軍階這些民間人是怎麼會有軍階所以他們的涉密層級跟他們未來的涉密的這種背景查核就很重要所以國家安全是一環接著一環的\n279821\t294380\t把他們經過12週以上的啟動營經過訓練之後再進入我們的簡單的原型跟初級方案我現在講的是DIU現在已經正在做的事情那裡面當然有美國他們自己軍種各個不同他們提出他們的問題\n295821\t316233\t提出問題之後讓這一些由科技業、生技業、創業家組成的小組這個小組是可能來自四、五個不同的背景組成了一個小組用真案的方式用最簡單、最小的方案先讓他們去嘗試那經過嘗試之後他們可以把他們的原型跟初期方案提供給相關單位不管是國防部、國安局還是科技部\n316733\t344628\t當然國防的加速器就是由國防部來去提供相關的設備跟實驗室資源讓他們免去最初的資源投入我們講的不僅僅是已經是我們已經成了上市企業公司什麼經緯等等這些或者是我們過去這個漢翔由國家做的我們講的是中小企業就可以開始進入這個國防的產業在美國DIU從成案到這個招標和契約的週期是90天\n345871\t371129\t今天開始三個月後就已經成案就已經招標完成當然我們講的不是說大型的這種軍事的採購不是不是像潛艇不是像這種教練機等等不是像小型的解決方案因為我們未來運的挑戰不見得是這種大型需要二三十年規劃的而是每一個結構體我們都必須要先做好準備所以從國防的加速到這個金融的加速比方說天使基金的投入A輪B輪之後\n372470\t396369\t當他們成為國防部的這種合格廠商同時也可以成為我們向國際社會說這已經經過我們國防部或者是我們相關的官方單位印證出來的產業的企業那之後提供給我們在國際的友邦包含烏克蘭我們變成是說是一個由品牌由國家跟民間企業共同它表示說它不是關閉在一個黑盒子裡面\n397190\t421736\t他是能夠出去跟其他國家挑戰的經過這樣的認證我們還可以進入美國的國防產業鏈所以我們要打造的是一個國家安全創新的生態圈而這個生態圈我是希望是說是能夠依照它的特色比方說是跟生技相關的是跟科技相關的所謂科技你幫我剛剛我們講到無人機啊或者是水上水下載具等等都算來去偵測部門\n423738\t445169\t我記得DIAU在美國大概是從波士頓也有在麻州在他們DC都有也就是說他們在因應這一個地理特色比方說在波士頓可能是生技產業為主的cluster在這個生技產業裡面他們辦公室設在那邊就可以與當地的企業甚至是來自這些重大的這些高等教育出來的學生就直接可以合作\n445729\t467109\t那如果剛剛就不用講說麻省理工學院或者是哈佛大學所在地等等所以我們必須要因應區域還有這個地區的特色設置辦公室並且直接與這些民間企業開始接洽所以它必須是跨部會的那我們現在講的國防的創新設施從剛剛講到現在從國防部、科技部甚至是跟我們金融都有相關\n467910\t475592\t所以我是希望說部長過去不管是在金融、在法律現在是國防部的部長如果能的話\n476820\t478841\t我再講一次吹話機最後我\n503814\t532357\t講完這個是想要請教第二個部分這是再給我10秒鐘謝謝主席主席關於這個低軌衛星因為我們知道上次應該說上週我們針對這個民雄航太園區的規劃那我們提到無人機產業那還有航太的部分我想請問顧部長是不是有可能讓航太像是低軌衛星的這些產業能夠進駐我們民雄航太園區由中科院主導的東部的這個東廠區的部分有沒有可能\n533218\t559908\t我跟委員報告,我是聯六的次長現在目前我們所引進的低軌衛星是由數位部做整體的規劃有關於國防部的所有的需求都已經納入到整個案子裡面來做整體的規劃預計在今年我們可以獲得我們所有的一些相關的裝備\n565805\t586853\t所以說如果進駐我們的產業園區如果我們希望航太園區進駐產業園區西部的部分就是西半場的那個產業園區是不是由國防部這邊協助還是由哪一個部門去來做統合現在目標我們送的國防會去審查的目前規劃的還是以無人機跟航太產業為主\n587927\t610640\t⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯\n","txt":"因為我們請部長來,部長請\n是陳委員部長好部長剛才幾位委員有提到這個DIU的規劃的大方向那我們這次就針對這一個規劃裡面先進國防科技小組的它的任務還有它的定位是什麼那我為什麼會這樣問其實DIU的機制它是除了是一個創新的管道之外它也是一個加速的一個生態圈那我是希望說我們來談論這件事情的時候能夠不是以國防\n這是我們自己辦公室簡單二要的把從1945年到現在由他們美國國防部投資的R&D跟一般民間投資的R&D做一個簡單的梳理\n因為是由三個不同的資料來源基本上我們可以看到這一個由國防部主導的這種創新是逐年在降低那由一般民間的是逐年在增高那基本上60年代之後越來越明顯我想這樣子的文獻資料不管是中科院或者是其他國防部整平時真的應該都有過類似這樣子的研究\n特別是在這些重要的科技巨頭從Google或者是一些科技大公司在美國的Meta等等還有現在新興的AI的公司、新能源等等它這個趨勢是非常的明顯所以當我們講國防或者是說國家安全的創新管道的時候我希望是不是以一個部門為主那我們是把自己想像成是一個加速器也好或者是一個催化劑也好應該會更加妥適\n部長你覺得國防創新是一個管道還是一個它是什麼樣的你怎麼看在DIU在台灣的可能性你把它當成是什麼樣的一個組織是一個引進先進成熟的技術跟產品然後結合國內的產業還有包括中科院的科研能量來加速建構不對稱戰力\n謝謝部長講的沒錯那他其實他變成說他不是一個組織然後一個由國防部全力在推動技術發展他就不是中科院他是在每一個不同的領域上面都能夠有重要的表現我為什麼特別這樣子談因為\n在美國的DIU它主要的有六個專門解決國家安全的組合人工智能、自主技術、能源還有太空還有網路安全等等六大產業的這個部分那我們希望來下一頁\n他不僅是一個管道他是一個生態圈從民間來講我們現在剛剛提到的那六大國家安全的範疇其實是需要的這一個部門從科技界、生技業還有網路安全、金融界、法律界、國防\n退伍軍人、中階、高階、創業家、技術人員都是在這個裡面我們是希望說他可以在每一個系統都能夠有我們部會來去參與來去協助、來去加速比方說這一些來自科技、衛生、基業或者是創業家他們想要進入國防產業的話首先他們要知道說我們現在各個基地也好或者是各個部門也好\n他們現在在做什麼?他們面臨的問題是什麼?挑戰是什麼?甚至是預算上面的這個範疇是什麼?所以首先他們必須有一個boot camp就像是在2015年的時候當他們開始DIU下一個X他也不知道說這個可以走多久他就直到最近應該是從去年開始這一個DIU的這一個主任才正式向國防部部長報告直接報告以前都還會有各個分層科可能的管理\n所以這是經過8年的這個試驗之後有一個更完整的系統出來所以我現在把這個聖誕圈簡單的用圖示的方式講出來就是說我們能夠參與的地方其實從教育開始就能夠參與教育的意思不是叫他們過來我告訴你們你們該做什麼\n而是把他們叫過來跟大家說這是現在我們的國防現況中科院現在大概在研究哪一個範疇大概是要做完整的背景查核所以跟顧部長之前講的接密的層級過他的國家安全的背景查核就很重要了因為他們可能沒有軍階這些民間人是怎麼會有軍階所以他們的涉密層級跟他們未來的涉密的這種背景查核就很重要所以國家安全是一環接著一環的\n把他們經過12週以上的啟動營經過訓練之後再進入我們的簡單的原型跟初級方案我現在講的是DIU現在已經正在做的事情那裡面當然有美國他們自己軍種各個不同他們提出他們的問題\n提出問題之後讓這一些由科技業、生技業、創業家組成的小組這個小組是可能來自四、五個不同的背景組成了一個小組用真案的方式用最簡單、最小的方案先讓他們去嘗試那經過嘗試之後他們可以把他們的原型跟初期方案提供給相關單位不管是國防部、國安局還是科技部\n當然國防的加速器就是由國防部來去提供相關的設備跟實驗室資源讓他們免去最初的資源投入我們講的不僅僅是已經是我們已經成了上市企業公司什麼經緯等等這些或者是我們過去這個漢翔由國家做的我們講的是中小企業就可以開始進入這個國防的產業在美國DIU從成案到這個招標和契約的週期是90天\n今天開始三個月後就已經成案就已經招標完成當然我們講的不是說大型的這種軍事的採購不是不是像潛艇不是像這種教練機等等不是像小型的解決方案因為我們未來運的挑戰不見得是這種大型需要二三十年規劃的而是每一個結構體我們都必須要先做好準備所以從國防的加速到這個金融的加速比方說天使基金的投入A輪B輪之後\n當他們成為國防部的這種合格廠商同時也可以成為我們向國際社會說這已經經過我們國防部或者是我們相關的官方單位印證出來的產業的企業那之後提供給我們在國際的友邦包含烏克蘭我們變成是說是一個由品牌由國家跟民間企業共同它表示說它不是關閉在一個黑盒子裡面\n他是能夠出去跟其他國家挑戰的經過這樣的認證我們還可以進入美國的國防產業鏈所以我們要打造的是一個國家安全創新的生態圈而這個生態圈我是希望是說是能夠依照它的特色比方說是跟生技相關的是跟科技相關的所謂科技你幫我剛剛我們講到無人機啊或者是水上水下載具等等都算來去偵測部門\n我記得DIAU在美國大概是從波士頓也有在麻州在他們DC都有也就是說他們在因應這一個地理特色比方說在波士頓可能是生技產業為主的cluster在這個生技產業裡面他們辦公室設在那邊就可以與當地的企業甚至是來自這些重大的這些高等教育出來的學生就直接可以合作\n那如果剛剛就不用講說麻省理工學院或者是哈佛大學所在地等等所以我們必須要因應區域還有這個地區的特色設置辦公室並且直接與這些民間企業開始接洽所以它必須是跨部會的那我們現在講的國防的創新設施從剛剛講到現在從國防部、科技部甚至是跟我們金融都有相關\n所以我是希望說部長過去不管是在金融、在法律現在是國防部的部長如果能的話\n我再講一次吹話機最後我\n講完這個是想要請教第二個部分這是再給我10秒鐘謝謝主席主席關於這個低軌衛星因為我們知道上次應該說上週我們針對這個民雄航太園區的規劃那我們提到無人機產業那還有航太的部分我想請問顧部長是不是有可能讓航太像是低軌衛星的這些產業能夠進駐我們民雄航太園區由中科院主導的東部的這個東廠區的部分有沒有可能\n我跟委員報告,我是聯六的次長現在目前我們所引進的低軌衛星是由數位部做整體的規劃有關於國防部的所有的需求都已經納入到整個案子裡面來做整體的規劃預計在今年我們可以獲得我們所有的一些相關的裝備\n所以說如果進駐我們的產業園區如果我們希望航太園區進駐產業園區西部的部分就是西半場的那個產業園區是不是由國防部這邊協助還是由哪一個部門去來做統合現在目標我們送的國防會去審查的目前規劃的還是以無人機跟航太產業為主\n⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.722 --> 00:05.343\n因為我們請部長來,部長請\n\n00:18.007 --> 00:45.330\n是陳委員部長好部長剛才幾位委員有提到這個DIU的規劃的大方向那我們這次就針對這一個規劃裡面先進國防科技小組的它的任務還有它的定位是什麼那我為什麼會這樣問其實DIU的機制它是除了是一個創新的管道之外它也是一個加速的一個生態圈那我是希望說我們來談論這件事情的時候能夠不是以國防\n\n00:46.274 --> 00:49.476\n這是我們自己辦公室簡單二要的把從1945年到現在由他們美國國防部投資的R&D跟一般民間投資的R&D做一個簡單的梳理\n\n01:04.184 --> 01:25.015\n因為是由三個不同的資料來源基本上我們可以看到這一個由國防部主導的這種創新是逐年在降低那由一般民間的是逐年在增高那基本上60年代之後越來越明顯我想這樣子的文獻資料不管是中科院或者是其他國防部整平時真的應該都有過類似這樣子的研究\n\n01:25.995 --> 01:51.213\n特別是在這些重要的科技巨頭從Google或者是一些科技大公司在美國的Meta等等還有現在新興的AI的公司、新能源等等它這個趨勢是非常的明顯所以當我們講國防或者是說國家安全的創新管道的時候我希望是不是以一個部門為主那我們是把自己想像成是一個加速器也好或者是一個催化劑也好應該會更加妥適\n\n01:54.278 --> 02:16.685\n部長你覺得國防創新是一個管道還是一個它是什麼樣的你怎麼看在DIU在台灣的可能性你把它當成是什麼樣的一個組織是一個引進先進成熟的技術跟產品然後結合國內的產業還有包括中科院的科研能量來加速建構不對稱戰力\n\n02:18.368 --> 02:36.275\n謝謝部長講的沒錯那他其實他變成說他不是一個組織然後一個由國防部全力在推動技術發展他就不是中科院他是在每一個不同的領域上面都能夠有重要的表現我為什麼特別這樣子談因為\n\n02:36.775 --> 02:48.705\n在美國的DIU它主要的有六個專門解決國家安全的組合人工智能、自主技術、能源還有太空還有網路安全等等六大產業的這個部分那我們希望來下一頁\n\n02:50.438 --> 03:07.470\n他不僅是一個管道他是一個生態圈從民間來講我們現在剛剛提到的那六大國家安全的範疇其實是需要的這一個部門從科技界、生技業還有網路安全、金融界、法律界、國防\n\n03:07.950 --> 03:31.440\n退伍軍人、中階、高階、創業家、技術人員都是在這個裡面我們是希望說他可以在每一個系統都能夠有我們部會來去參與來去協助、來去加速比方說這一些來自科技、衛生、基業或者是創業家他們想要進入國防產業的話首先他們要知道說我們現在各個基地也好或者是各個部門也好\n\n03:31.880 --> 03:57.035\n他們現在在做什麼?他們面臨的問題是什麼?挑戰是什麼?甚至是預算上面的這個範疇是什麼?所以首先他們必須有一個bootcamp就像是在2015年的時候當他們開始DIU下一個X他也不知道說這個可以走多久他就直到最近應該是從去年開始這一個DIU的這一個主任才正式向國防部部長報告直接報告以前都還會有各個分層科可能的管理\n\n03:57.458 --> 04:13.708\n所以這是經過8年的這個試驗之後有一個更完整的系統出來所以我現在把這個聖誕圈簡單的用圖示的方式講出來就是說我們能夠參與的地方其實從教育開始就能夠參與教育的意思不是叫他們過來我告訴你們你們該做什麼\n\n04:15.109 --> 04:39.201\n而是把他們叫過來跟大家說這是現在我們的國防現況中科院現在大概在研究哪一個範疇大概是要做完整的背景查核所以跟顧部長之前講的接密的層級過他的國家安全的背景查核就很重要了因為他們可能沒有軍階這些民間人是怎麼會有軍階所以他們的涉密層級跟他們未來的涉密的這種背景查核就很重要所以國家安全是一環接著一環的\n\n04:39.821 --> 04:54.380\n把他們經過12週以上的啟動營經過訓練之後再進入我們的簡單的原型跟初級方案我現在講的是DIU現在已經正在做的事情那裡面當然有美國他們自己軍種各個不同他們提出他們的問題\n\n04:55.821 --> 05:16.233\n提出問題之後讓這一些由科技業、生技業、創業家組成的小組這個小組是可能來自四、五個不同的背景組成了一個小組用真案的方式用最簡單、最小的方案先讓他們去嘗試那經過嘗試之後他們可以把他們的原型跟初期方案提供給相關單位不管是國防部、國安局還是科技部\n\n05:16.733 --> 05:44.628\n當然國防的加速器就是由國防部來去提供相關的設備跟實驗室資源讓他們免去最初的資源投入我們講的不僅僅是已經是我們已經成了上市企業公司什麼經緯等等這些或者是我們過去這個漢翔由國家做的我們講的是中小企業就可以開始進入這個國防的產業在美國DIU從成案到這個招標和契約的週期是90天\n\n05:45.871 --> 06:11.129\n今天開始三個月後就已經成案就已經招標完成當然我們講的不是說大型的這種軍事的採購不是不是像潛艇不是像這種教練機等等不是像小型的解決方案因為我們未來運的挑戰不見得是這種大型需要二三十年規劃的而是每一個結構體我們都必須要先做好準備所以從國防的加速到這個金融的加速比方說天使基金的投入A輪B輪之後\n\n06:12.470 --> 06:36.369\n當他們成為國防部的這種合格廠商同時也可以成為我們向國際社會說這已經經過我們國防部或者是我們相關的官方單位印證出來的產業的企業那之後提供給我們在國際的友邦包含烏克蘭我們變成是說是一個由品牌由國家跟民間企業共同它表示說它不是關閉在一個黑盒子裡面\n\n06:37.190 --> 07:01.736\n他是能夠出去跟其他國家挑戰的經過這樣的認證我們還可以進入美國的國防產業鏈所以我們要打造的是一個國家安全創新的生態圈而這個生態圈我是希望是說是能夠依照它的特色比方說是跟生技相關的是跟科技相關的所謂科技你幫我剛剛我們講到無人機啊或者是水上水下載具等等都算來去偵測部門\n\n07:03.738 --> 07:25.169\n我記得DIAU在美國大概是從波士頓也有在麻州在他們DC都有也就是說他們在因應這一個地理特色比方說在波士頓可能是生技產業為主的cluster在這個生技產業裡面他們辦公室設在那邊就可以與當地的企業甚至是來自這些重大的這些高等教育出來的學生就直接可以合作\n\n07:25.729 --> 07:47.109\n那如果剛剛就不用講說麻省理工學院或者是哈佛大學所在地等等所以我們必須要因應區域還有這個地區的特色設置辦公室並且直接與這些民間企業開始接洽所以它必須是跨部會的那我們現在講的國防的創新設施從剛剛講到現在從國防部、科技部甚至是跟我們金融都有相關\n\n07:47.910 --> 07:55.592\n所以我是希望說部長過去不管是在金融、在法律現在是國防部的部長如果能的話\n\n07:56.820 --> 07:58.841\n我再講一次吹話機最後我\n\n08:23.814 --> 08:52.357\n講完這個是想要請教第二個部分這是再給我10秒鐘謝謝主席主席關於這個低軌衛星因為我們知道上次應該說上週我們針對這個民雄航太園區的規劃那我們提到無人機產業那還有航太的部分我想請問顧部長是不是有可能讓航太像是低軌衛星的這些產業能夠進駐我們民雄航太園區由中科院主導的東部的這個東廠區的部分有沒有可能\n\n08:53.218 --> 09:19.908\n我跟委員報告,我是聯六的次長現在目前我們所引進的低軌衛星是由數位部做整體的規劃有關於國防部的所有的需求都已經納入到整個案子裡面來做整體的規劃預計在今年我們可以獲得我們所有的一些相關的裝備\n\n09:25.805 --> 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