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人員的協助、訓練、人才的培育，如果這個計畫初步能夠達到的話，我們才能夠幫助他們真的做到資安轉型。再來，我們在data 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00:01:07,832\n其實我們我是不知道這個標題怎麼來的但是我想我們跟院長碰面的時候我們都是給建議但是確實也有媒體認為說我們的這些閣員來自產業界的很多所以可能我們的內閣都還在磨合所以院長您認為我們的內閣磨合好也準備好了要帶領我們台灣走向另外一個新的高峰嗎?\n\n4\n00:01:09,431 --> 00:01:18,058\n謝謝委員的鼓勵還有提醒520到現在真的將近一個月我們花了很長的時間在準備\n\n5\n00:01:19,864 --> 00:01:20,685\n所以被稱為外星人內閣你可以接受嗎?\n\n6\n00:01:48,039 --> 00:02:01,588\n當然不是,我們長得都跟大家一模一樣。但是經過4次跟委員的參與以及很多次在委員會裡面的互動,彼此的了解都應該有非常的進步了。而且大家應該發現他們對於他們的專業是\n\n7\n00:02:05,015 --> 00:02:06,115\n好,嚴肅的問題問完之後我要問個輕鬆的\n\n8\n00:02:34,105 --> 00:02:34,567\n院長有沒有看過所謂網紅影片?你認識哪些網紅?\n\n9\n00:02:40,660 --> 00:03:02,911\n因為最近網紅題目很夯啊你可以輕鬆回答因為是輕鬆題所以你輕鬆回答有也可以沒有也沒關係我原來也是網紅所以看過我的影片嗎好那你知道這個現在我們在網路上的網紅不論是透過這個youtube啊或者是其他的這個數位平台他們如果有人贊助或者是花錢買廣告他們怎麼稱這個廣告商你知道嗎\n\n10\n00:03:07,694 --> 00:03:25,652\n好,他們會在影片當中說謝謝乾爹贊助,所以乾爹是他們的這個所謂贊助商。好,我們現在回到這個嚴肅的話題就是其實本席從質詢以來喔,來我們來看我的這個朋友們影片,就是我不斷的在關注就是中國統戰\n\n11\n00:03:27,113 --> 00:03:42,108\n台灣的方式那麼從過去有所謂的榮媒體找出在地協力者然後透過抖音紅書的文化統戰再到中小型的媒體的認知作戰跟借選現在最新的方法就是收買網紅給他贊助給他金錢\n\n12\n00:03:46,112 --> 00:04:13,872\n那麼這些中國乾爹我們到底有沒有辦法置入因為台灣是一個言論自由的國家所以說在這些網路上面的影片我們不可能封殺但是如果他今天是花錢講中國好山好水好棒棒中國好安全如果這是花錢的有中國乾爹那就是廣告就是置入那就應該要讓乾爹現行事實上我要強調的是在很多的平台當中包括Google你只要是拿贊助的\n\n13\n00:04:14,352 --> 00:04:31,479\n這些網紅會直接寫說感謝乾爹某某某贊助感謝乾爹誰誰誰那如果是這樣的話這些含有中國乾爹贊助的這些相關的網紅跟影片一旦現行我相信台灣的人民會知道到底你是收錢說中國好還是你真的覺得中國好\n\n14\n00:04:33,900 --> 00:05:00,262\n甚至於現在又傳出有藝人要組政黨網紅藝人要組政黨這些都是背後如果有中國乾爹我就就叫院長這樣的所謂中國乾爹有沒有法規可以現行又或者是說現在的法規不足必須要有別的方式讓中國乾爹現行謝謝委員其實我一直覺得相較於武力的威脅經濟的威脅\n\n15\n00:05:39,972 --> 00:05:40,633\n來到下一張。\n\n16\n00:06:07,659 --> 00:06:27,795\n就是他有所謂的行銷的規範那數位平台有嗎?廣播電視都會認為如果你今天是有廣告那就要載民視廣告不然的話融台之後買台然後另外一方面他又打台包括我講的打台不是只是指共軍繞台喔包括台灣的媒體人\n\n17\n00:06:48,871 --> 00:07:11,716\n非常感謝委員的提醒。您剛剛所說的如何讓背後的乾爹或者是背後的贊助者能夠現行。我們現行的打詐專法的草案就有讓廣告實名制能夠揭露它背後的贊助者或者廣告的來源。\n\n18\n00:07:13,537 --> 00:07:34,197\n這個讓我們國人知道你所說看到的這些網路節目他背後是誰在支持這非常重要所以我們也預請國人共同支持我們的打詐專法草案好所以就是說接下來的打詐專法的草案當中就會針對數位平台所提供的內容來提起必要的法律的責任或是連帶的責任\n\n19\n00:07:35,871 --> 00:07:58,694\n此外我還跟委員報告要預防這個還是要從試讀能力的提升來加強。包括有兩個環節一個當然是我們對於試讀中國大陸試讀兩岸關係的這個跟教育課程來提升讓有意赴中國大陸或受到中國大陸求學就業的人他們有這個課程\n\n20\n00:08:00,256 --> 00:08:14,533\n那這個很感謝陸委會跟教育部一直在合作那另外一方面就是在網路試讀能力的提升遇到這個來路不明以示中國大陸的網紅在對於我們認知作戰的時候我們要學習博外傳謝謝\n\n21\n00:08:15,814 --> 00:08:35,005\n好所以呢有關於網紅網路的部分其實講到的就像院長所說的其實文化是非常重要文化統戰是最可怕的我想經濟能夠讓一個國家往前走但是文化才是最重要偉大的最後的關鍵力量所以我相信院長你一定同意那就是文化是有價的\n\n22\n00:08:35,825 --> 00:09:01,227\n但是如果說現在我們會發現在我們強力的在推動文化的時候我們文化部現有的貸款的方式是加強文化創意提升轉型的貸款以及文化創意產業青年創業及啟動金的貸款但是你要知道文化有價但是回到擔保條件的時候包括我們的很多銀行是上有政策下有對策到後來\n\n23\n00:09:18,490 --> 00:09:18,550\n主委\n\n24\n00:09:39,160 --> 00:10:07,242\n金管會有沒有對文化特別的來考量?因為他考量的是清償能力。是,但是這個我們在政府獎勵的部分真的就只能用紮紮實實的土地或者房子嗎?那這樣子回歸過來,你要知道還是沒有鼓勵到文化產業啊。未來有沒有可能考慮在這個部分跟金融機構做溝通,至少他們在貸款的時候對於土地或房屋這種實質的不重產能夠比例下降?\n\n25\n00:10:08,102 --> 00:10:30,315\n謝謝委員,現在據我了解現在我們在法規上對於是不是要用土地或是無形資產來做一個擔保品是沒有限制的只是陳儒剛才我們實務上銀行大概都習慣是以比較容易有公平價值的不動產但他們也在做比如說假設這有取得比如說有文化部基金的擔保的他是可以來做這個的\n\n26\n00:10:31,536 --> 00:10:32,577\n好,院長我之所以提取這個問題是連帶剛剛上面的\n\n27\n00:10:48,186 --> 00:11:06,586\n如果中國乾爹不斷地在養台灣的藝人台灣的網紅台灣的文化產業那我們當然就會被吸過去他只要是文化置入那麼我們根本無一倖免所以台灣必須要給予一定的肯定包括我們來看下一張其實本席去查了2014年我們就有一個\n\n28\n00:11:07,026 --> 00:11:32,999\n文化資產的建架平台但是呢這個平台在2017年已經宣告死亡了他其實當時就是希望給無形的文化資產有一個建架的平台充實內容產業的人才但是現在發現他事實上是完全沒有在運作的所以這邊我也提供給主委建議可以回去思考一下是不是重新啟動或是成立一個類似的平台因為銀行沒有這樣的人去了解到底文化資產\n\n29\n00:11:33,999 --> 00:11:34,199\n謝謝,謝謝委員,我們會來研究,謝謝。\n\n30\n00:11:50,595 --> 00:12:13,349\n好,最後一個本席關注的是有關於資安的問題,我們其實現在已經來到了這個畢業季,我想跟院長提出幾個數據,包括事實上根據調查研究了解,在2024年資安準備指數當中,全台只有8%的企業是可以有所謂完成現在的資安風險,但是其實台灣有90%\n\n31\n00:12:16,371 --> 00:12:32,719\n八是中小企業我們知道大企業你說台積電你說這些大型的機構他的資安絕對沒有問題可是在98%的中小企業沒有做好資安風險控管的時候我要舉出另外一個例子是我剛講到畢業季全台灣有將近18000個資安科系的畢業生\n\n32\n00:12:38,041 --> 00:12:56,294\n但是事實上只有2000人會就業那麼也就是大概只有11%會進入資安產業那是因為沒有就業的這些名額沒有這些就業的工作嗎?其實不是喔根據資安相關的聯盟台灣資安聯盟的數據台灣每個月有3000個\n\n33\n00:12:57,995 --> 00:13:00,516\n另外就是我要一並講的第三個問題是\n\n34\n00:13:23,929 --> 00:13:35,861\n院長您知道這個所謂MIT或是我們自由品牌算是台灣的自主品牌的話,您知道這個東西佔有百分之多少的比例就可以稱為台灣自主品牌,您知道嗎?\n\n35\n00:13:54,648 --> 00:14:08,344\n那麼到底台灣的資安系統所使用的這些軟體是不是真的MIT?我要提出的第三個疑問就是那麼到底我們有沒有可能是台灣如果是我們自己研發的軟體\n\n36\n00:14:09,565 --> 00:14:09,705\n﹚林楚茵\n\n37\n00:14:43,844 --> 00:15:02,515\n政府推動數位轉型對象也在於中小微企業幫助他做企業轉型那數位轉型過程當中資安問題當然是一個重要的一環我們希望經濟部也好教育部也好能夠來做媒合那經濟部也有一個計畫要在大大小小的公司各種小企業裡面能夠\n\n38\n00:15:42,165 --> 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的打詐專法的草案當中就會針對數位平台所提供的內容來提起必要的法律的責任或是連帶的責任\n此外我還跟委員報告要預防這個還是要從試讀能力的提升來加強。包括有兩個環節一個當然是我們對於試讀中國大陸試讀兩岸關係的這個跟教育課程來提升讓有意赴中國大陸或受到中國大陸求學就業的人他們有這個課程\n那這個很感謝陸委會跟教育部一直在合作那另外一方面就是在網路試讀能力的提升遇到這個來路不明以示中國大陸的網紅在對於我們認知作戰的時候我們要學習博外傳謝謝\n好所以呢有關於網紅網路的部分其實講到的就像院長所說的其實文化是非常重要文化統戰是最可怕的我想經濟能夠讓一個國家往前走但是文化才是最重要偉大的最後的關鍵力量所以我相信院長你一定同意那就是文化是有價的\n但是如果說現在我們會發現在我們強力的在推動文化的時候我們文化部現有的貸款的方式是加強文化創意提升轉型的貸款以及文化創意產業青年創業及啟動金的貸款但是你要知道文化有價但是回到擔保條件的時候包括我們的很多銀行是上有政策下有對策到後來\n﹏﹏\n主委\n金管會有沒有對文化特別的來考量?因為他考量的是清償能力。是,但是這個我們在政府獎勵的部分真的就只能用紮紮實實的土地或者房子嗎?那這樣子回歸過來,你要知道還是沒有鼓勵到文化產業啊。未來有沒有可能考慮在這個部分跟金融機構做溝通,至少他們在貸款的時候對於土地或房屋這種實質的不重產能夠比例下降?\n謝謝委員,現在據我了解現在我們在法規上對於是不是要用土地或是無形資產來做一個擔保品是沒有限制的只是陳儒剛才我們實務上銀行大概都習慣是以比較容易有公平價值的不動產但他們也在做比如說假設這有取得比如說有文化部基金的擔保的他是可以來做這個的\n好,院長我之所以提取這個問題是連帶剛剛上面的\n如果中國乾爹不斷地在養台灣的藝人台灣的網紅台灣的文化產業那我們當然就會被吸過去他只要是文化置入那麼我們根本無一倖免所以台灣必須要給予一定的肯定包括我們來看下一張其實本席去查了2014年我們就有一個\n文化資產的建架平台但是呢這個平台在2017年已經宣告死亡了他其實當時就是希望給無形的文化資產有一個建架的平台充實內容產業的人才但是現在發現他事實上是完全沒有在運作的所以這邊我也提供給主委建議可以回去思考一下是不是重新啟動或是成立一個類似的平台因為銀行沒有這樣的人去了解到底文化資產\n謝謝,謝謝委員,我們會來研究,謝謝。\n好,最後一個本席關注的是有關於資安的問題,我們其實現在已經來到了這個畢業季,我想跟院長提出幾個數據,包括事實上根據調查研究了解,在2024年資安準備指數當中,全台只有8%的企業是可以有所謂完成現在的資安風險,但是其實台灣有90%\n八是中小企業我們知道大企業你說台積電你說這些大型的機構他的資安絕對沒有問題可是在98%的中小企業沒有做好資安風險控管的時候我要舉出另外一個例子是我剛講到畢業季全台灣有將近18000個資安科系的畢業生\n但是事實上只有2000人會就業那麼也就是大概只有11%會進入資安產業那是因為沒有就業的這些名額沒有這些就業的工作嗎?其實不是喔根據資安相關的聯盟台灣資安聯盟的數據台灣每個月有3000個\n另外就是我要一並講的第三個問題是\n院長您知道這個所謂MIT或是我們自由品牌算是台灣的自主品牌的話,您知道這個東西佔有百分之多少的比例就可以稱為台灣自主品牌,您知道嗎?\n﹏﹏﹏\n那麼到底台灣的資安系統所使用的這些軟體是不是真的MIT?我要提出的第三個疑問就是那麼到底我們有沒有可能是台灣如果是我們自己研發的軟體\n﹚林楚茵\n政府推動數位轉型對象也在於中小微企業幫助他做企業轉型那數位轉型過程當中資安問題當然是一個重要的一環我們希望經濟部也好教育部也好能夠來做媒合那經濟部也有一個計畫要在大大小小的公司各種小企業裡面能夠\n﹏﹏\n好,謝謝林委員。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.209 --> 00:12.932\n謝謝主席。主席有請卓榮才院長。請卓院長備詢。林委員好。院長好。\n\n00:23.686 --> 00:30.895\n今天是18號所以說520上任其實即將要滿月了我看今天媒體針對院長包括內閣有出了幾篇報導但是感覺上這些報導的方向都認為說我們現在包括財經內閣狀況外政治小白這個閣員遭到綠委狂電\n\n00:43.690 --> 01:07.832\n其實我們我是不知道這個標題怎麼來的但是我想我們跟院長碰面的時候我們都是給建議但是確實也有媒體認為說我們的這些閣員來自產業界的很多所以可能我們的內閣都還在磨合所以院長您認為我們的內閣磨合好也準備好了要帶領我們台灣走向另外一個新的高峰嗎?\n\n01:09.431 --> 01:18.058\n謝謝委員的鼓勵還有提醒520到現在真的將近一個月我們花了很長的時間在準備\n\n01:19.864 --> 01:20.685\n所以被稱為外星人內閣你可以接受嗎?\n\n01:48.039 --> 02:01.588\n當然不是,我們長得都跟大家一模一樣。但是經過4次跟委員的參與以及很多次在委員會裡面的互動,彼此的了解都應該有非常的進步了。而且大家應該發現他們對於他們的專業是\n\n02:05.015 --> 02:06.115\n好,嚴肅的問題問完之後我要問個輕鬆的\n\n02:34.105 --> 02:34.567\n院長有沒有看過所謂網紅影片?你認識哪些網紅?\n\n02:40.660 --> 03:02.911\n因為最近網紅題目很夯啊你可以輕鬆回答因為是輕鬆題所以你輕鬆回答有也可以沒有也沒關係我原來也是網紅所以看過我的影片嗎好那你知道這個現在我們在網路上的網紅不論是透過這個youtube啊或者是其他的這個數位平台他們如果有人贊助或者是花錢買廣告他們怎麼稱這個廣告商你知道嗎\n\n03:07.694 --> 03:25.652\n好,他們會在影片當中說謝謝乾爹贊助,所以乾爹是他們的這個所謂贊助商。好,我們現在回到這個嚴肅的話題就是其實本席從質詢以來喔,來我們來看我的這個朋友們影片,就是我不斷的在關注就是中國統戰\n\n03:27.113 --> 03:42.108\n台灣的方式那麼從過去有所謂的榮媒體找出在地協力者然後透過抖音紅書的文化統戰再到中小型的媒體的認知作戰跟借選現在最新的方法就是收買網紅給他贊助給他金錢\n\n03:46.112 --> 04:13.872\n那麼這些中國乾爹我們到底有沒有辦法置入因為台灣是一個言論自由的國家所以說在這些網路上面的影片我們不可能封殺但是如果他今天是花錢講中國好山好水好棒棒中國好安全如果這是花錢的有中國乾爹那就是廣告就是置入那就應該要讓乾爹現行事實上我要強調的是在很多的平台當中包括Google你只要是拿贊助的\n\n04:14.352 --> 04:31.479\n這些網紅會直接寫說感謝乾爹某某某贊助感謝乾爹誰誰誰那如果是這樣的話這些含有中國乾爹贊助的這些相關的網紅跟影片一旦現行我相信台灣的人民會知道到底你是收錢說中國好還是你真的覺得中國好\n\n04:33.900 --> 05:00.262\n甚至於現在又傳出有藝人要組政黨網紅藝人要組政黨這些都是背後如果有中國乾爹我就就叫院長這樣的所謂中國乾爹有沒有法規可以現行又或者是說現在的法規不足必須要有別的方式讓中國乾爹現行謝謝委員其實我一直覺得相較於武力的威脅經濟的威脅\n\n05:39.972 --> 05:40.633\n來到下一張。\n\n06:07.659 --> 06:27.795\n就是他有所謂的行銷的規範那數位平台有嗎?廣播電視都會認為如果你今天是有廣告那就要載民視廣告不然的話融台之後買台然後另外一方面他又打台包括我講的打台不是只是指共軍繞台喔包括台灣的媒體人\n\n06:48.871 --> 07:11.716\n非常感謝委員的提醒。您剛剛所說的如何讓背後的乾爹或者是背後的贊助者能夠現行。我們現行的打詐專法的草案就有讓廣告實名制能夠揭露它背後的贊助者或者廣告的來源。\n\n07:13.537 --> 07:34.197\n這個讓我們國人知道你所說看到的這些網路節目他背後是誰在支持這非常重要所以我們也預請國人共同支持我們的打詐專法草案好所以就是說接下來的打詐專法的草案當中就會針對數位平台所提供的內容來提起必要的法律的責任或是連帶的責任\n\n07:35.871 --> 07:58.694\n此外我還跟委員報告要預防這個還是要從試讀能力的提升來加強。包括有兩個環節一個當然是我們對於試讀中國大陸試讀兩岸關係的這個跟教育課程來提升讓有意赴中國大陸或受到中國大陸求學就業的人他們有這個課程\n\n08:00.256 --> 08:14.533\n那這個很感謝陸委會跟教育部一直在合作那另外一方面就是在網路試讀能力的提升遇到這個來路不明以示中國大陸的網紅在對於我們認知作戰的時候我們要學習博外傳謝謝\n\n08:15.814 --> 08:35.005\n好所以呢有關於網紅網路的部分其實講到的就像院長所說的其實文化是非常重要文化統戰是最可怕的我想經濟能夠讓一個國家往前走但是文化才是最重要偉大的最後的關鍵力量所以我相信院長你一定同意那就是文化是有價的\n\n08:35.825 --> 09:01.227\n但是如果說現在我們會發現在我們強力的在推動文化的時候我們文化部現有的貸款的方式是加強文化創意提升轉型的貸款以及文化創意產業青年創業及啟動金的貸款但是你要知道文化有價但是回到擔保條件的時候包括我們的很多銀行是上有政策下有對策到後來\n\n09:18.490 --> 09:18.550\n主委\n\n09:39.160 --> 10:07.242\n金管會有沒有對文化特別的來考量?因為他考量的是清償能力。是,但是這個我們在政府獎勵的部分真的就只能用紮紮實實的土地或者房子嗎?那這樣子回歸過來,你要知道還是沒有鼓勵到文化產業啊。未來有沒有可能考慮在這個部分跟金融機構做溝通,至少他們在貸款的時候對於土地或房屋這種實質的不重產能夠比例下降?\n\n10:08.102 --> 10:30.315\n謝謝委員,現在據我了解現在我們在法規上對於是不是要用土地或是無形資產來做一個擔保品是沒有限制的只是陳儒剛才我們實務上銀行大概都習慣是以比較容易有公平價值的不動產但他們也在做比如說假設這有取得比如說有文化部基金的擔保的他是可以來做這個的\n\n10:31.536 --> 10:32.577\n好,院長我之所以提取這個問題是連帶剛剛上面的\n\n10:48.186 --> 11:06.586\n如果中國乾爹不斷地在養台灣的藝人台灣的網紅台灣的文化產業那我們當然就會被吸過去他只要是文化置入那麼我們根本無一倖免所以台灣必須要給予一定的肯定包括我們來看下一張其實本席去查了2014年我們就有一個\n\n11:07.026 --> 11:32.999\n文化資產的建架平台但是呢這個平台在2017年已經宣告死亡了他其實當時就是希望給無形的文化資產有一個建架的平台充實內容產業的人才但是現在發現他事實上是完全沒有在運作的所以這邊我也提供給主委建議可以回去思考一下是不是重新啟動或是成立一個類似的平台因為銀行沒有這樣的人去了解到底文化資產\n\n11:33.999 --> 11:34.199\n謝謝,謝謝委員,我們會來研究,謝謝。\n\n11:50.595 --> 12:13.349\n好,最後一個本席關注的是有關於資安的問題,我們其實現在已經來到了這個畢業季,我想跟院長提出幾個數據,包括事實上根據調查研究了解,在2024年資安準備指數當中,全台只有8%的企業是可以有所謂完成現在的資安風險,但是其實台灣有90%\n\n12:16.371 --> 12:32.719\n八是中小企業我們知道大企業你說台積電你說這些大型的機構他的資安絕對沒有問題可是在98%的中小企業沒有做好資安風險控管的時候我要舉出另外一個例子是我剛講到畢業季全台灣有將近18000個資安科系的畢業生\n\n12:38.041 --> 12:56.294\n但是事實上只有2000人會就業那麼也就是大概只有11%會進入資安產業那是因為沒有就業的這些名額沒有這些就業的工作嗎?其實不是喔根據資安相關的聯盟台灣資安聯盟的數據台灣每個月有3000個\n\n12:57.995 --> 13:00.516\n另外就是我要一並講的第三個問題是\n\n13:23.929 --> 13:35.861\n院長您知道這個所謂MIT或是我們自由品牌算是台灣的自主品牌的話,您知道這個東西佔有百分之多少的比例就可以稱為台灣自主品牌,您知道嗎?\n\n13:54.648 --> 14:08.344\n那麼到底台灣的資安系統所使用的這些軟體是不是真的MIT?我要提出的第三個疑問就是那麼到底我們有沒有可能是台灣如果是我們自己研發的軟體\n\n14:09.565 --> 14:09.705\n﹚林楚茵\n\n14:43.844 --> 15:02.515\n政府推動數位轉型對象也在於中小微企業幫助他做企業轉型那數位轉型過程當中資安問題當然是一個重要的一環我們希望經濟部也好教育部也好能夠來做媒合那經濟部也有一個計畫要在大大小小的公司各種小企業裡面能夠\n\n15:42.165 --> 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