{"id":154081,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/154081","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/237480b52e5f529af714b6e9c575642e84a337f76c37b5ea49bfab79a0d782af2c0accd11298d9845ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"林岱樺","委員發言時間":"14:46:45 - 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00:02:09,133\n幾個我們重點在2018年的時候這個數據為什麼它是國安議題2018年的時候我國的死亡人數已經正是高於出生人數了而且在去年2023年的世界競爭力的年報也把本國認為人口成長率視為弱勢項目那所以呢在本席辦公室這邊我們了解這個是政府的少子化對策計畫107到113\n\n7\n00:02:11,554 --> 00:02:28,344\n我要提出這樣的一個表格是國發會這邊提供的每個勞動人口撫養人數比數值是越來越大壓力越大什麼叫做勞動人口依照本國的定義是15歲到65歲好這樣的總撫養比我們從這個表格2020年到我的16年後2040年所以總撫養比當中我100塊\n\n8\n00:02:37,910 --> 00:02:58,650\n我今年的計算是我花100塊我扶養小孩我會100塊有17.39是花在扶養小孩我扶養老人我是花了27.89也就是2024年今年我們國家對於國人的總扶養比我花100塊有45.28是在扶養\n\n9\n00:03:02,534 --> 00:03:02,554\n﹚林岱樺\n\n10\n00:03:19,666 --> 00:03:22,768\n就是我的從17.39一直降到15.82但是我的老人的撫養比是從今年的27.89預估會在16年後是達到51.17\n\n11\n00:03:35,456 --> 00:03:50,856\n所以這個那再來看除了這個對於我們人口數少的勞動連我們的人口的這個勞動人口也在減少的情況之下他所要負擔的扶幼跟扶老幣也大幅的成長\n\n12\n00:03:51,997 --> 00:04:07,548\n所以我們從人口結構其實是國安議題與其要講說我少子化是國安議題本身我們整個臺灣的人口結構就是一個國安議題好但我今天重點是在少子化我們的少子化這邊呢從110年的總生育率0.98一直到112年前年的統計是0.86所以平均生\n\n13\n00:04:16,214 --> 00:04:21,201\n0.98個小孩一直降到每年生0一個人生0.865個小孩\n\n14\n00:04:23,643 --> 00:04:46,897\n好,那這樣的預算呢是我們有107年到113年分的77個分項,我們花了5000多億,那大部分都是用在哪裡呢?經貼補助,初期的育兒經貼、托育及就學補助,後期我們是放在住宅補貼,我們1200億每年就是花在這上面。\n\n15\n00:04:47,637 --> 00:05:02,469\n好,那這個本行認為要增加生育率我們對婦女她在產前的時候是不是應該多一些資源包括她的心理諮商、生理的理療\n\n16\n00:05:03,930 --> 00:05:20,097\n產前的準備價以及生育所得稅的減免,這個行政院是不是應該納入我們的政策規劃?好,我這邊具體建議那也請院長參考一下新加坡他們最新的對於生育的特色做法。第一個,\n\n17\n00:05:20,797 --> 00:05:45,758\n因為我們現在晚婚所以導致我的生育率當然也降低所以我鼓勵他早婚的情況之下能夠讓他在21到35歲的單身女婿冷凍卵子這是新加坡的做法政府補助費用第二個改善生育的環境母親的有薪產價是16週我們台灣現在是8週那父親的有薪陪產價我們是一週在新加坡是4週\n\n18\n00:05:46,799 --> 00:06:02,484\n第三個這是我認為可以真的可以借鏡的所得稅的減免針對我職業婦女的部分我如果生第一胎新加坡的做法我減他總收入的15%減稅第二胎我減20%第三胎減25%最高可以達到減到60%針對職業婦女那我認為這可以在本國是可以擴大研議的\n\n19\n00:06:11,246 --> 00:06:37,361\n只要是他的總收你只要這個家庭收了生第一胎我的這個總收入的所得的不管是他個人所得或者是家庭的總收入等等相關的稅額的減免是一種這個整個家庭這個父母之間的一個總收入來做減免我覺得本國是可以做這樣不是只限於職業婦女第四個我40歲以下的婦女指定公立醫院的人工授育能夠說是很貴的\n\n20\n00:06:38,982 --> 00:06:59,790\n政府他們是有補助到75%這四項我都認為本國應該在你每年花1200億下個階段的時候所以我說你到底能不能認定它是國安議題那你新的內閣上來你是不是有再一次的6年的對少子化的因應計畫呢現在是本期看不到的以及我這個青年住宅\n\n21\n00:07:00,470 --> 00:07:29,068\n是應該納入我的配婚年齡包括子女數我都應該讓他跟我的這個少子化跟購屋住宅應該要相連結所以針對我現在針對新加坡的這四項的做法跟我們青年住宅納入這個少子化的這個獎勵因此不知道院長您認為在您有沒有啟動下階段的這個少子化的因應政策這是第一個第二個您的做法是不是願意在這幾項當中也納入延益呢\n\n22\n00:07:29,707 --> 00:07:29,727\n院長﹖\n\n23\n00:07:57,597 --> 00:08:17,388\n既然是國安議題就要非常手段的因應現在你做了任何的公共建設包括我們講到我們現在的國軍以後也沒有人要當國軍了因為我們少子化哪來的國軍呢我們現在是工業也缺人服務也缺人農業也缺人\n\n24\n00:08:18,268 --> 00:08:42,856\n然後包括了連公務系統要進來的新進人員也缺人公務人員也在缺人啊所以這個部分是如果你說是這個國安議題的話沒關係啦院長我還是提點你因為在這個既然你都認為是國安議題可是你並沒有在你的施政政策當中去規劃到這是本席作為一個國會議員要提點你的好下一個議題國營事業應該攜手穩定人員的供應\n\n25\n00:08:47,877 --> 00:09:04,854\n我們這個特別我聚焦在天然氣我們90%的人員是仰賴進口在明年的時候我們天然氣的發電佔比是佔50%所以呢既然都是天然氣都是從國外進口而他在我的佔比打50%的時候本席認為強化人員自主\n\n26\n00:09:08,638 --> 00:09:31,247\n多元分散採購降低人員的風險在我們現在特殊的地緣政治下的運輸模式就是成為國家人員穩定的潛在這個漏洞那我們小科普一下目前的國際物資的運送有兩者一個叫DES一個叫FBDS就是賣方我現在跟台灣跟這個卡達來購買那\n\n27\n00:09:48,619 --> 00:10:09,557\n沒有下貨前都是屬於礦組的這句話是重點好那如果是我們改為我方的話對FOB的話那變成是我只要訂貨從對方的礦組的港口我一提貨就是屬於我方的好但是呢我們現在呢中油所用的呢就是DS完全掌握在這個礦組的手上\n\n28\n00:10:11,539 --> 00:10:34,922\n好,那現在呢,礦組用了他的車子之後,當然船是他的啊,他當然是可以自己做決定啊,所以在商業交易當中,我們的船東啦,貨主啦,船長是有權利尊重當時船長的當機決定,可以拒絕進入到本國的。好,所以呢當外籍商用船遭遇到極端的這個狀況,他可以全數返航。\n\n29\n00:10:36,103 --> 00:11:02,182\n不進入到本國卸貨賣家也就是我們天然氣的礦組他們是可以免責的那國家的供電我們有50%的天然氣完全就是掌握在國外人的手上我提出兩個議題請您事後瞭解一下在我們多次軍援當中我們天然氣運輸的進入本國的狀況是什麼?繞道還是在外海停滯\n\n30\n00:11:03,314 --> 00:11:22,137\n還是有這個就是返回目的地本身目前就是繞道跟停止外本席所了解但是我想還是由你還是來了解一下至少這個的嚴重性我其實是在這幾次軍演當中我國面臨到天然氣竟然是竟然有這麼高的不可控\n\n31\n00:11:22,958 --> 00:11:45,240\n那另外面對軍演跟軍事封鎖國際也有案例還是只有自己的國籍的船才願意運輸我們國家的必要物資只要是外籍船隻他一定都帶著他們的這個帶著我們訂購的物資返回原本地我講的是國際都有案例遇到當國家遇到軍演這個軍演甚至軍事封鎖的時候\n\n32\n00:11:46,400 --> 00:12:02,748\n誰給那個國家發生戰爭的國家物資只有自己本國的國籍船不管是小麥稻米甚至我們現在的這個煤天然氣都是所以這個當中一國防部也這個國安會也自己出來講話520之後這都是公開報導\n\n33\n00:12:06,070 --> 00:12:25,660\n五二零之後臺灣面對軍演的這件事情是只會屢日劇增那你天然氣是全部都是來自進口啊好那另外一個議題就是說我們天然氣有長約跟極其短約有長約就是10年到20年極其短約呢是\n\n34\n00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:44,248\n一天每日到一年那當然這個長期約是以期貨來約定及期短約是以市場的價格那到包括在二五戰爭的時候我們的短約是天價的好不管是長約或短約都可以是用買方的FOB或者賣方的DS來執行好我想到價格\n\n35\n00:12:46,949 --> 00:12:46,969\n﹚林岱樺\n\n36\n00:13:03,666 --> 00:13:03,686\n﹚林岱樺﹚\n\n37\n00:13:29,378 --> 00:13:55,625\n而且是現貨的那就是這樣的高價所以呢在中油當中才但是呢現在中油只有4艘這個我們有國際船來執行它的價格長約的價格是期貨來算它每艘每天是8萬美元你看8萬美元跟32.5跟我現況的現在的飆漲是20萬差了快3倍到4倍不等啊\n\n38\n00:13:56,405 --> 00:14:17,603\n好所以本行是具體主張我們這個時間的關係我希望我們現在目前我直接跳到這個我的建議方案那過去都是中油說好我來運那台電在今年他也說我也可以運那中油的時候過去為什麼反對台電運因為他怕說我運的這個台電你運的這個天然氣來你要搶食我國內的天然氣市場所以我就把這個阻絕掉了\n\n39\n00:14:25,529 --> 00:14:39,132\n只要臺電開放讓臺電也購買因為他自己也在公開的他們發言人也講他們可以購買那我就把現在中油30%是採這種現貨採購的這30%全部移為臺電來用而且限定臺電你只能作為發電所用\n\n40\n00:14:47,034 --> 00:15:16,310\n原來的70%採常約的中油的份你繼續做你回來你運到國內之後你還是可以做你的國內的天然氣市場那現在的問題是還要加上航港局那我們呢在要國企國運國家對經濟部跟交通部就要接同兩大國營事業攜手合作兩大國營事業攜手合作來對於台電自行採購限定他發電的用途共同使用中油目前的這個港口跟接收站\n\n41\n00:15:16,830 --> 00:15:43,345\n以及我們交通部航港局和國際國運的政策也鼓勵我們國內的航商跟專業我們國內就三大國內航商鼓勵他們跟國內我們的政府跟國內航商以及專業的學校針對天然氣運輸船之急增加天然氣的訓練課程加入國際國運的行列我們的船也可以共用在中游目前在高雄的永安跟台中的天然氣共同培訓人才\n\n42\n00:15:44,466 --> 00:16:02,407\n那我講到一點齁這個我們現在的人才目前的國旗船只有4艘執行400航次當中的144航次當中只有這個國旗船這4艘我們報告院長我用報告這表示他很嚴重因為只有船長一個是台灣國旗\n\n43\n00:16:42,236 --> 00:17:00,400\n是完全外國在掌控欸。就會像我現在是很沒有具體的數據去呈現出我現在所以我才請你一定要事後去了解天然氣在軍演當中已經有面臨我是斷氣的不可控的因素所以院長你怎麼看這個我們國氣國運的國家對這個議題?\n\n44\n00:17:04,881 --> 00:17:25,988\n首先軍援的時候必定有各種想定,那我們一定是採取最安全可靠的方式來維繫台灣所需要的各種物資,這個當然包括在內。那麼中油過去慣例都是用DES賣方負責的方式來運送,那我所知道中油也漸漸在朝用FOB的方式,但是他也建立了自己的這個系統。\n\n45\n00:17:26,528 --> 00:17:48,194\n另外臺電將來在臺中以及協和電廠他必須自己要進這個天然氣LNG他也應該有新的方式可以來進行那部長能不能了解到未來中油臺電在這個船隻運送方式跟我們這個條件的設定底下有沒有新的作為\n\n46\n00:17:49,895 --> 00:18:11,202\n這樣好不好?院長你已經有明確性的指示,所以你對於國企、國運、國家對這件事情你認為應不應該做?現在中郵已經朝向這個助理了。我現在會提出執行是我已經花了兩年時間,中郵才歸宿的才同意航港局說我願意把這個\n\n47\n00:18:12,262 --> 00:18:12,282\n﹚林岱樺\n\n48\n00:18:28,217 --> 00:18:54,593\n等了兩年本席諮詢了兩年他才去做這件事情所以你只要明確告訴我人力的問題我們要進一步的補充院長這樣子你只要同意國企國運國家對這個名詞是以國家來建制他才有可能跨部會的來做經濟部包括人員的培訓包括兩大部會包括交通部都有納入那這件事情你要主責給誰\n\n49\n00:18:56,934 --> 00:19:04,797\n國家隊如果承擔這樣的責任當然是最好。我們要有一段時間來建置整個運輸的能量。您要主責給誰?是秘書長來統籌這件事情專案列管?兩位部長是要經濟部還是交通部?\n\n50\n00:19:13,579 --> 00:19:18,081\n目的世界主委機關臺電都是經濟部。好,那我們就期待。那部長你可以回應,您針對這樣的建制一個月可以提出相關的規劃嗎?\n\n51\n00:19:41,394 --> 00:19:44,439\n最後一個議題就是我們眷村文化的資產展現臺灣多元的歷史那從他的一個起源背景那這個我們\n\n52\n00:19:57,358 --> 00:20:25,549\n眷村的住民也可以說是在1949年人類近代當中最大的遷徙那也是臺灣400年來歷史最大的一個文化融合我們講到臺灣這400年來臺灣是非常豐富的從原住民荷蘭日本敏克眷村住民一直到現在進行式的新住民那眷村是臺灣特有的歷史文化的遺產起源於1940年末到1950年政府是為了解決軍眷住房\n\n53\n00:20:26,169 --> 00:20:44,268\n的問題而興建當然他在眷村文化語言飲食建築當然都有很大的就具有獨特性所以豐富了臺灣文化的多樣性好我們從過去從眷村改建的到眷村文化這當中到底有沒有創價呢創這個價值創造呢是有的\n\n54\n00:20:48,192 --> 00:21:11,630\n眷改的1.0從這個眷村的改建到眷改2.0保存眷村文化我們透過了資產的運用土地的活化地方政府的合作經營我們竟然提前一年半全數清償了716億表示我的眷村改建到眷村文化的保存是可以創造價值的他不是社會的負債\n\n55\n00:21:12,631 --> 00:21:36,889\n好,我們從過去的粗暴改建到現在文化重視的轉變,修復專業是文化資產保護的重要環節,需要專業的知識跟技術。所以呢,我們軍服處,國防部的軍服處目前有6位具有古蹟修復工程工地主任的專人執照的軍職人員,但是3年前我們有20位,現在降到6位。\n\n56\n00:21:37,529 --> 00:21:57,236\n好那在這當中目前我們的眷尊永續工作其實有這四項這我們有51處其中13處還是在文化園區的服訪37處的文化資產的活化繼續的尋親維護文化資產跟建立平台真的在做的只有下面這一項叫尋親維護文化資產\n\n57\n00:21:59,437 --> 00:22:10,443\n好那盤點出來這51處當中有國定股股機制定組股機限定股機歷史建物文化景觀聚落建築考古遺址51處但\n\n58\n00:22:13,492 --> 00:22:37,093\n這個當中只有少數是有空間活化這51處當中只有少數空間活化好有幾個案例是讓我們平日遊客是若意不覺的臺北的四四南村臺中的信義新村高雄的黃浦新村這是有活化的空間活化大部分就是顯示建築物改建完後就顯示在那邊好\n\n59\n00:22:38,334 --> 00:22:57,263\n那51處當中唯一一處尚未全面啟動眷村文化創新工程的就在我高雄海軍左營眷村。海軍左營的這個眷村是全國最大單一軍種的眷村全部保存面積59公頃。我目前只修復10%還有9成的眷村是人封為代修封。\n\n60\n00:23:03,205 --> 00:23:31,153\n為待休,也就是閒置在那邊。我拍了幾張照片,這個左邊是左營眷村,您看,院長您看看,跟部長,你們就看看吧。這個是這樣的破舊,左邊是這樣的一個破舊,右邊是我黃埔青村,同樣在高雄。你看上圖是學校的老師帶著同學出來,下圖是我的爸爸媽媽帶著小朋友出遊。有活化就是這樣,一樣在高雄黃埔青村,一個是落魄不堪,而且是閒置,\n\n61\n00:23:32,193 --> 00:23:55,878\n而且是還是讓他繼續落魄叫做風微待休的左營眷村好那再來呢在我這邊呢也一個在這個具體要求之前本席認為眷村文化是我的國際亮點這句話要聽清楚眷村文化是我的國際亮點也就是我在51處整個包裹起來\n\n62\n00:23:57,006 --> 00:24:21,575\n我來做跟聯合國或者是等同聯合國認證的世界歷史遺址的基金會來申請我眷村文化的國際知名度然後呢來保存跟傳承讓他有更多資源的跟支持而且也提高臺灣也提高藉著眷村也提高臺灣的國際知名度讓更多人知道臺灣的眷村文化進而影響國際的這個影響力\n\n63\n00:24:23,976 --> 00:24:39,650\n好這個歷史遺址基金會在我們澎湖澎湖有一個漁村他也是被也自己來申請的世界歷史遺址的基金會所以這個部分我們臺灣的這個是有潛力的所以臺灣是擁有全世界唯一的眷村文化資產\n\n64\n00:24:40,891 --> 00:24:55,386\n好,我們應該讓他成為全民國防教育跟國際觀光價值兩個同居的。好,我這邊具體要求行政院專案列管。我也希望是秘書長能夠專案定時的召開會議。那要做這幾件事情,\n\n65\n00:25:01,912 --> 00:25:16,357\n因為跨部會又涉及國防部又涉及文化部又涉及交通部第一個國防部要做什麼事呢他要申請世界遺址的基金會這按照這個我們彭埔的案例他其實準備了8個月\n\n66\n00:25:17,657 --> 00:25:32,031\n所以這個只要目前國防部啟動他最多就一個一年他就可以完成這樣的申請相關的準備作業那第二個文化部他就要去文化部跟國防部共同為什麼要秘書長因為這還要組織單位來因為要花錢到底是\n\n67\n00:25:36,035 --> 00:25:51,429\n國防部要花多少錢?文化部要花多少錢?那這樣盤整出來整個整修的費用那也要希望一個月能提出它的規劃另外交通部我們都有國際旅展本席要求國際旅展要納入我們的眷村文化\n\n68\n00:25:52,430 --> 00:26:10,311\n作為我對外國在國外的是我們的國際我們的臺灣國際館其中有一項就是卷存文化這是對交通部的要求最後我也希望能夠研議增加請國防部增加有古蹟修復專業製造的軍職人員才能夠去維護我這51處\n\n69\n00:26:12,634 --> 00:26:13,054\n院長,你怎麼看這個議題?\n\n70\n00:26:27,455 --> 00:26:54,494\n非常佩服委員對於眷村文化這樣的關心。我覺得它是對我們生活的融合、情感的融合、跟社會的融合、文化的融合很重要的一環。那國防部因為是眷村文化,眷村它原來的這個所有管理者,它應該要有這樣的觀念,把眷村文化活化再利用。但是整個過程應該文化部要加上很多文化的底蘊跟文化的設計,讓它成為現代文化的一環。\n\n71\n00:26:55,294 --> 00:27:05,347\n這樣他往國際走才會有他的價值。所以我們請這兩個部會去密切的聯繫將怎麼樣將剛剛委員所講的左營、海營、眷層。各個有不同的,但是精髓應該在文化部。\n\n72\n00:27:10,126 --> 00:27:35,426\n所以是文化部來主責然後他定期開我的觀念很清楚因為既然跨部會就要一個人主責你到底是要秘書長指責還是政委主責就院長你指示我都沒有意見你現在如果主責給文化部那就文化部你就要定期把這個專案執行下去你就要定期邀國防部你每次的部長這邊你就要定期的以專案方式邀國防部文化部文化部本身然後交通部\n\n73\n00:27:36,167 --> 00:27:39,749\n其實我們在高雄的眷村整頓中大概花了12億而且我個人覺得在戰後的建築裡面\n\n74\n00:27:55,178 --> 00:28:10,235\n建築的確是大部分人的記憶,這點剛剛委員提到這個,把它全部整合在一起,成為一個很奇特的景觀,可以重新呈現第二次世界大戰,台灣當時的狀態,我覺得這個點子很好,我們會來執行。\n\n75\n00:28:13,038 --> 00:28:29,834\n好那您大概什麼時候會有提出這樣的方案?兩個月好不好?因為你要重新的盤整這51處你甚至要怎麼既然是全國來看那他的特色他有很多軍種剛才我也提到我再秀一下這個表光是我這51處我的陸軍就19處海軍6處空軍19處後備3處憲兵3處軍情局1處\n\n76\n00:28:38,582 --> 00:28:38,602\n謝謝,謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2562\t6136\t有請我們行政院院長再請卓院長備選\n15992\t35713\t議員長我們從總統的520就職的講稿到您的這個施政的簡報我覺得獨缺一項我也不曉得政府現在面對少子化這個議題是什麼樣的看法他是已經嚴重到是所謂稱為國安議題呢還是說少子化國安議題這是一個民間的認知\n38175\t48791\t而政府他不認為他是一個國安議題,院長你怎麼看少子化?因為在520就職的講稿當,您的施政報告都缺了對少子化的因應。\n50423\t72823\t報告委員少子化不僅是個人是家庭是社會更是國家面臨的重大的問題。我們已經提升到國安的層次。您說這是國安的層次。0到6歲0到22歲都有相當多各個不同的補助的措施。那本期就要跟你檢討這個補助的措施。我們花了很多錢。\n73484\t100759\t一年平均1200億不等到現在執行5年多107年到113年今年是這個少子化因應計畫的截止年我也將近花了5000多萬5000多億了5000多億一年1200億那現在的第五年也花了將近5000多億了但是我的這個少子化的狀況有沒有減少沒有反而更形嚴重所以幾個\n103277\t129133\t幾個我們重點在2018年的時候這個數據為什麼它是國安議題2018年的時候我國的死亡人數已經正是高於出生人數了而且在去年2023年的世界競爭力的年報也把本國認為人口成長率視為弱勢項目那所以呢在本席辦公室這邊我們了解這個是政府的少子化對策計畫107到113\n131554\t148344\t我要提出這樣的一個表格是國發會這邊提供的每個勞動人口撫養人數比數值是越來越大壓力越大什麼叫做勞動人口依照本國的定義是15歲到65歲好這樣的總撫養比我們從這個表格2020年到我的16年後2040年所以總撫養比當中我100塊\n157910\t178650\t我今年的計算是我花100塊我扶養小孩我會100塊有17.39是花在扶養小孩我扶養老人我是花了27.89也就是2024年今年我們國家對於國人的總扶養比我花100塊有45.28是在扶養\n182534\t182554\t﹚林岱樺\n199666\t202768\t就是我的從17.39一直降到15.82但是我的老人的撫養比是從今年的27.89預估會在16年後是達到51.17\n215456\t230856\t所以這個那再來看除了這個對於我們人口數少的勞動連我們的人口的這個勞動人口也在減少的情況之下他所要負擔的扶幼跟扶老幣也大幅的成長\n231997\t247548\t所以我們從人口結構其實是國安議題與其要講說我少子化是國安議題本身我們整個臺灣的人口結構就是一個國安議題好但我今天重點是在少子化我們的少子化這邊呢從110年的總生育率0.98一直到112年前年的統計是0.86所以平均生\n256214\t261201\t0.98個小孩一直降到每年生0一個人生0.865個小孩\n263643\t286897\t好,那這樣的預算呢是我們有107年到113年分的77個分項,我們花了5000多億,那大部分都是用在哪裡呢?經貼補助,初期的育兒經貼、托育及就學補助,後期我們是放在住宅補貼,我們1200億每年就是花在這上面。\n287637\t302469\t好,那這個本行認為要增加生育率我們對婦女她在產前的時候是不是應該多一些資源包括她的心理諮商、生理的理療\n303930\t320097\t產前的準備價以及生育所得稅的減免,這個行政院是不是應該納入我們的政策規劃?好,我這邊具體建議那也請院長參考一下新加坡他們最新的對於生育的特色做法。第一個,\n320797\t345758\t因為我們現在晚婚所以導致我的生育率當然也降低所以我鼓勵他早婚的情況之下能夠讓他在21到35歲的單身女婿冷凍卵子這是新加坡的做法政府補助費用第二個改善生育的環境母親的有薪產價是16週我們台灣現在是8週那父親的有薪陪產價我們是一週在新加坡是4週\n346799\t362484\t第三個這是我認為可以真的可以借鏡的所得稅的減免針對我職業婦女的部分我如果生第一胎新加坡的做法我減他總收入的15%減稅第二胎我減20%第三胎減25%最高可以達到減到60%針對職業婦女那我認為這可以在本國是可以擴大研議的\n371246\t397361\t只要是他的總收你只要這個家庭收了生第一胎我的這個總收入的所得的不管是他個人所得或者是家庭的總收入等等相關的稅額的減免是一種這個整個家庭這個父母之間的一個總收入來做減免我覺得本國是可以做這樣不是只限於職業婦女第四個我40歲以下的婦女指定公立醫院的人工授育能夠說是很貴的\n398982\t419790\t政府他們是有補助到75%這四項我都認為本國應該在你每年花1200億下個階段的時候所以我說你到底能不能認定它是國安議題那你新的內閣上來你是不是有再一次的6年的對少子化的因應計畫呢現在是本期看不到的以及我這個青年住宅\n420470\t449068\t是應該納入我的配婚年齡包括子女數我都應該讓他跟我的這個少子化跟購屋住宅應該要相連結所以針對我現在針對新加坡的這四項的做法跟我們青年住宅納入這個少子化的這個獎勵因此不知道院長您認為在您有沒有啟動下階段的這個少子化的因應政策這是第一個第二個您的做法是不是願意在這幾項當中也納入延益呢\n449707\t449727\t院長﹖\n477597\t497388\t既然是國安議題就要非常手段的因應現在你做了任何的公共建設包括我們講到我們現在的國軍以後也沒有人要當國軍了因為我們少子化哪來的國軍呢我們現在是工業也缺人服務也缺人農業也缺人\n498268\t522856\t然後包括了連公務系統要進來的新進人員也缺人公務人員也在缺人啊所以這個部分是如果你說是這個國安議題的話沒關係啦院長我還是提點你因為在這個既然你都認為是國安議題可是你並沒有在你的施政政策當中去規劃到這是本席作為一個國會議員要提點你的好下一個議題國營事業應該攜手穩定人員的供應\n527877\t544854\t我們這個特別我聚焦在天然氣我們90%的人員是仰賴進口在明年的時候我們天然氣的發電佔比是佔50%所以呢既然都是天然氣都是從國外進口而他在我的佔比打50%的時候本席認為強化人員自主\n548638\t571247\t多元分散採購降低人員的風險在我們現在特殊的地緣政治下的運輸模式就是成為國家人員穩定的潛在這個漏洞那我們小科普一下目前的國際物資的運送有兩者一個叫DES一個叫FBDS就是賣方我現在跟台灣跟這個卡達來購買那\n572688\t588439\t﹏﹏\n588619\t609557\t沒有下貨前都是屬於礦組的這句話是重點好那如果是我們改為我方的話對FOB的話那變成是我只要訂貨從對方的礦組的港口我一提貨就是屬於我方的好但是呢我們現在呢中油所用的呢就是DS完全掌握在這個礦組的手上\n611539\t634922\t好,那現在呢,礦組用了他的車子之後,當然船是他的啊,他當然是可以自己做決定啊,所以在商業交易當中,我們的船東啦,貨主啦,船長是有權利尊重當時船長的當機決定,可以拒絕進入到本國的。好,所以呢當外籍商用船遭遇到極端的這個狀況,他可以全數返航。\n636103\t662182\t不進入到本國卸貨賣家也就是我們天然氣的礦組他們是可以免責的那國家的供電我們有50%的天然氣完全就是掌握在國外人的手上我提出兩個議題請您事後瞭解一下在我們多次軍援當中我們天然氣運輸的進入本國的狀況是什麼?繞道還是在外海停滯\n663314\t682137\t還是有這個就是返回目的地本身目前就是繞道跟停止外本席所了解但是我想還是由你還是來了解一下至少這個的嚴重性我其實是在這幾次軍演當中我國面臨到天然氣竟然是竟然有這麼高的不可控\n682958\t705240\t那另外面對軍演跟軍事封鎖國際也有案例還是只有自己的國籍的船才願意運輸我們國家的必要物資只要是外籍船隻他一定都帶著他們的這個帶著我們訂購的物資返回原本地我講的是國際都有案例遇到當國家遇到軍演這個軍演甚至軍事封鎖的時候\n706400\t722748\t誰給那個國家發生戰爭的國家物資只有自己本國的國籍船不管是小麥稻米甚至我們現在的這個煤天然氣都是所以這個當中一國防部也這個國安會也自己出來講話520之後這都是公開報導\n726070\t745660\t五二零之後臺灣面對軍演的這件事情是只會屢日劇增那你天然氣是全部都是來自進口啊好那另外一個議題就是說我們天然氣有長約跟極其短約有長約就是10年到20年極其短約呢是\n746320\t764248\t一天每日到一年那當然這個長期約是以期貨來約定及期短約是以市場的價格那到包括在二五戰爭的時候我們的短約是天價的好不管是長約或短約都可以是用買方的FOB或者賣方的DS來執行好我想到價格\n766949\t766969\t﹚林岱樺\n783666\t783686\t﹚林岱樺﹚\n809378\t835625\t而且是現貨的那就是這樣的高價所以呢在中油當中才但是呢現在中油只有4艘這個我們有國際船來執行它的價格長約的價格是期貨來算它每艘每天是8萬美元你看8萬美元跟32.5跟我現況的現在的飆漲是20萬差了快3倍到4倍不等啊\n836405\t857603\t好 所以本行是具體主張我們這個時間的關係我希望我們現在目前我直接跳到這個我的建議方案那過去都是中油說好我來運那台電在今年他也說我也可以運那中油的時候過去為什麼反對台電運因為他怕說我運的這個台電你運的這個天然氣來你要搶食我國內的天然氣市場所以我就把這個阻絕掉了\n865529\t879132\t只要臺電開放讓臺電也購買因為他自己也在公開的他們發言人也講他們可以購買那我就把現在中油30%是採這種現貨採購的這30%全部移為臺電來用而且限定臺電你只能作為發電所用\n887034\t916310\t原來的70%採常約的中油的份你繼續做你回來你運到國內之後你還是可以做你的國內的天然氣市場那現在的問題是還要加上航港局那我們呢在要國企國運國家對經濟部跟交通部就要接同兩大國營事業攜手合作兩大國營事業攜手合作來對於台電自行採購限定他發電的用途共同使用中油目前的這個港口跟接收站\n916830\t943345\t以及我們交通部航港局和國際國運的政策也鼓勵我們國內的航商跟專業我們國內就三大國內航商鼓勵他們跟國內我們的政府跟國內航商以及專業的學校針對天然氣運輸船之急增加天然氣的訓練課程加入國際國運的行列我們的船也可以共用在中游目前在高雄的永安跟台中的天然氣共同培訓人才\n944466\t962407\t那我講到一點齁 這個我們現在的人才目前的國旗船只有4艘執行400航次當中的144航次當中只有這個國旗船這4艘我們報告院長我用報告這表示他很嚴重因為只有船長一個是台灣國旗\n963268\t984019\t﹗\n984019\t1002056\t﹏﹏\n1002236\t1020400\t是完全外國在掌控欸。就會像我現在是很沒有具體的數據去呈現出我現在所以我才請你一定要事後去了解天然氣在軍演當中已經有面臨我是斷氣的不可控的因素所以院長你怎麼看這個我們國氣國運的國家對這個議題?\n1024881\t1045988\t首先軍援的時候必定有各種想定,那我們一定是採取最安全可靠的方式來維繫台灣所需要的各種物資,這個當然包括在內。那麼中油過去慣例都是用DES賣方負責的方式來運送,那我所知道中油也漸漸在朝用FOB的方式,但是他也建立了自己的這個系統。\n1046528\t1068194\t另外臺電將來在臺中以及協和電廠他必須自己要進這個天然氣LNG他也應該有新的方式可以來進行那部長能不能了解到未來中油臺電在這個船隻運送方式跟我們這個條件的設定底下有沒有新的作為\n1069895\t1091202\t這樣好不好?院長你已經有明確性的指示,所以你對於國企、國運、國家對這件事情你認為應不應該做?現在中郵已經朝向這個助理了。我現在會提出執行是我已經花了兩年時間,中郵才歸宿的才同意航港局說我願意把這個\n1092262\t1092282\t﹚林岱樺\n1108217\t1134593\t等了兩年本席諮詢了兩年他才去做這件事情所以你只要明確告訴我人力的問題我們要進一步的補充院長這樣子你只要同意國企國運國家對這個名詞是以國家來建制他才有可能跨部會的來做經濟部包括人員的培訓包括兩大部會包括交通部都有納入那這件事情你要主責給誰\n1136934\t1144797\t國家隊如果承擔這樣的責任當然是最好。我們要有一段時間來建置整個運輸的能量。您要主責給誰?是秘書長來統籌這件事情專案列管?兩位部長是要經濟部還是交通部?\n1153579\t1158081\t目的世界主委機關臺電都是經濟部。好,那我們就期待。那部長你可以回應,您針對這樣的建制一個月可以提出相關的規劃嗎?\n1181394\t1184439\t最後一個議題就是我們眷村文化的資產展現臺灣多元的歷史那從他的一個起源背景那這個我們\n1197358\t1225549\t眷村的住民也可以說是在1949年人類近代當中最大的遷徙那也是臺灣400年來歷史最大的一個文化融合我們講到臺灣這400年來臺灣是非常豐富的從原住民荷蘭日本敏克眷村住民一直到現在進行式的新住民那眷村是臺灣特有的歷史文化的遺產起源於1940年末到1950年政府是為了解決軍眷住房\n1226169\t1244268\t的問題而興建當然他在眷村文化語言飲食建築當然都有很大的就具有獨特性所以豐富了臺灣文化的多樣性好我們從過去從眷村改建的到眷村文化這當中到底有沒有創價呢創這個價值創造呢是有的\n1248192\t1271630\t眷改的1.0從這個眷村的改建到眷改2.0保存眷村文化我們透過了資產的運用土地的活化地方政府的合作經營我們竟然提前一年半全數清償了716億表示我的眷村改建到眷村文化的保存是可以創造價值的他不是社會的負債\n1272631\t1296889\t好,我們從過去的粗暴改建到現在文化重視的轉變,修復專業是文化資產保護的重要環節,需要專業的知識跟技術。所以呢,我們軍服處,國防部的軍服處目前有6位具有古蹟修復工程工地主任的專人執照的軍職人員,但是3年前我們有20位,現在降到6位。\n1297529\t1317236\t好那在這當中目前我們的眷尊永續工作其實有這四項這我們有51處其中13處還是在文化園區的服訪37處的文化資產的活化繼續的尋親維護文化資產跟建立平台真的在做的只有下面這一項叫尋親維護文化資產\n1319437\t1330443\t好那盤點出來這51處當中有國定股股機制定組股機限定股機歷史建物文化景觀聚落建築考古遺址51處但\n1333492\t1357093\t這個當中只有少數是有空間活化這51處當中只有少數空間活化好有幾個案例是讓我們平日遊客是若意不覺的臺北的四四南村臺中的信義新村高雄的黃浦新村這是有活化的空間活化大部分就是顯示建築物改建完後就顯示在那邊好\n1358334\t1377263\t那51處當中唯一一處尚未全面啟動眷村文化創新工程的就在我高雄海軍左營眷村。海軍左營的這個眷村是全國最大單一軍種的眷村全部保存面積59公頃。我目前只修復10%還有9成的眷村是人封為代修封。\n1383205\t1411153\t為待休,也就是閒置在那邊。我拍了幾張照片,這個左邊是左營眷村,您看,院長您看看,跟部長,你們就看看吧。這個是這樣的破舊,左邊是這樣的一個破舊,右邊是我黃埔青村,同樣在高雄。你看上圖是學校的老師帶著同學出來,下圖是我的爸爸媽媽帶著小朋友出遊。有活化就是這樣,一樣在高雄黃埔青村,一個是落魄不堪,而且是閒置,\n1412193\t1435878\t而且是還是讓他繼續落魄叫做風微待休的左營眷村好那再來呢在我這邊呢也一個在這個具體要求之前本席認為眷村文化是我的國際亮點這句話要聽清楚眷村文化是我的國際亮點也就是我在51處整個包裹起來\n1437006\t1461575\t我來做跟聯合國或者是等同聯合國認證的世界歷史遺址的基金會來申請我眷村文化的國際知名度然後呢來保存跟傳承讓他有更多資源的跟支持而且也提高臺灣也提高藉著眷村也提高臺灣的國際知名度讓更多人知道臺灣的眷村文化進而影響國際的這個影響力\n1463976\t1479650\t好這個歷史遺址基金會在我們澎湖澎湖有一個漁村他也是被也自己來申請的世界歷史遺址的基金會所以這個部分我們臺灣的這個是有潛力的所以臺灣是擁有全世界唯一的眷村文化資產\n1480891\t1495386\t好,我們應該讓他成為全民國防教育跟國際觀光價值兩個同居的。好,我這邊具體要求行政院專案列管。我也希望是秘書長能夠專案定時的召開會議。那要做這幾件事情,\n1501912\t1516357\t因為跨部會又涉及國防部又涉及文化部又涉及交通部第一個國防部要做什麼事呢他要申請世界遺址的基金會這按照這個我們彭埔的案例他其實準備了8個月\n1517657\t1532031\t所以這個只要目前國防部啟動他最多就一個一年他就可以完成這樣的申請相關的準備作業那第二個文化部他就要去文化部跟國防部共同為什麼要秘書長因為這還要組織單位來因為要花錢到底是\n1536035\t1551429\t國防部要花多少錢?文化部要花多少錢?那這樣盤整出來整個整修的費用那也要希望一個月能提出它的規劃另外交通部我們都有國際旅展本席要求國際旅展要納入我們的眷村文化\n1552430\t1570311\t作為我對外國在國外的是我們的國際我們的臺灣國際館其中有一項就是卷存文化這是對交通部的要求最後我也希望能夠研議增加請國防部增加有古蹟修復專業製造的軍職人員才能夠去維護我這51處\n1572634\t1573054\t院長,你怎麼看這個議題?\n1587455\t1614494\t非常佩服委員對於眷村文化這樣的關心。我覺得它是對我們生活的融合、情感的融合、跟社會的融合、文化的融合很重要的一環。那國防部因為是眷村文化,眷村它原來的這個所有管理者,它應該要有這樣的觀念,把眷村文化活化再利用。但是整個過程應該文化部要加上很多文化的底蘊跟文化的設計,讓它成為現代文化的一環。\n1615294\t1625347\t這樣他往國際走才會有他的價值。所以我們請這兩個部會去密切的聯繫將怎麼樣將剛剛委員所講的左營、海營、眷層。各個有不同的,但是精髓應該在文化部。\n1630126\t1655426\t所以是文化部來主責然後他定期開我的觀念很清楚因為既然跨部會就要一個人主責你到底是要秘書長指責還是政委主責就院長你指示我都沒有意見你現在如果主責給文化部那就文化部你就要定期把這個專案執行下去你就要定期邀國防部你每次的部長這邊你就要定期的以專案方式邀國防部文化部文化部本身然後交通部\n1656167\t1659749\t其實我們在高雄的眷村整頓中大概花了12億而且我個人覺得在戰後的建築裡面\n1675178\t1690235\t建築的確是大部分人的記憶,這點剛剛委員提到這個,把它全部整合在一起,成為一個很奇特的景觀,可以重新呈現第二次世界大戰,台灣當時的狀態,我覺得這個點子很好,我們會來執行。\n1693038\t1709834\t好那您大概什麼時候會有提出這樣的方案?兩個月好不好?因為你要重新的盤整這51處你甚至要怎麼既然是全國來看那他的特色他有很多軍種剛才我也提到我再秀一下這個表光是我這51處我的陸軍就19處海軍6處空軍19處後備3處憲兵3處軍情局1處\n1718582\t1718602\t謝謝,謝謝委員\n","txt":"有請我們行政院院長再請卓院長備選\n議員長我們從總統的520就職的講稿到您的這個施政的簡報我覺得獨缺一項我也不曉得政府現在面對少子化這個議題是什麼樣的看法他是已經嚴重到是所謂稱為國安議題呢還是說少子化國安議題這是一個民間的認知\n而政府他不認為他是一個國安議題,院長你怎麼看少子化?因為在520就職的講稿當,您的施政報告都缺了對少子化的因應。\n報告委員少子化不僅是個人是家庭是社會更是國家面臨的重大的問題。我們已經提升到國安的層次。您說這是國安的層次。0到6歲0到22歲都有相當多各個不同的補助的措施。那本期就要跟你檢討這個補助的措施。我們花了很多錢。\n一年平均1200億不等到現在執行5年多107年到113年今年是這個少子化因應計畫的截止年我也將近花了5000多萬5000多億了5000多億一年1200億那現在的第五年也花了將近5000多億了但是我的這個少子化的狀況有沒有減少沒有反而更形嚴重所以幾個\n幾個我們重點在2018年的時候這個數據為什麼它是國安議題2018年的時候我國的死亡人數已經正是高於出生人數了而且在去年2023年的世界競爭力的年報也把本國認為人口成長率視為弱勢項目那所以呢在本席辦公室這邊我們了解這個是政府的少子化對策計畫107到113\n我要提出這樣的一個表格是國發會這邊提供的每個勞動人口撫養人數比數值是越來越大壓力越大什麼叫做勞動人口依照本國的定義是15歲到65歲好這樣的總撫養比我們從這個表格2020年到我的16年後2040年所以總撫養比當中我100塊\n我今年的計算是我花100塊我扶養小孩我會100塊有17.39是花在扶養小孩我扶養老人我是花了27.89也就是2024年今年我們國家對於國人的總扶養比我花100塊有45.28是在扶養\n﹚林岱樺\n就是我的從17.39一直降到15.82但是我的老人的撫養比是從今年的27.89預估會在16年後是達到51.17\n所以這個那再來看除了這個對於我們人口數少的勞動連我們的人口的這個勞動人口也在減少的情況之下他所要負擔的扶幼跟扶老幣也大幅的成長\n所以我們從人口結構其實是國安議題與其要講說我少子化是國安議題本身我們整個臺灣的人口結構就是一個國安議題好但我今天重點是在少子化我們的少子化這邊呢從110年的總生育率0.98一直到112年前年的統計是0.86所以平均生\n0.98個小孩一直降到每年生0一個人生0.865個小孩\n好,那這樣的預算呢是我們有107年到113年分的77個分項,我們花了5000多億,那大部分都是用在哪裡呢?經貼補助,初期的育兒經貼、托育及就學補助,後期我們是放在住宅補貼,我們1200億每年就是花在這上面。\n好,那這個本行認為要增加生育率我們對婦女她在產前的時候是不是應該多一些資源包括她的心理諮商、生理的理療\n產前的準備價以及生育所得稅的減免,這個行政院是不是應該納入我們的政策規劃?好,我這邊具體建議那也請院長參考一下新加坡他們最新的對於生育的特色做法。第一個,\n因為我們現在晚婚所以導致我的生育率當然也降低所以我鼓勵他早婚的情況之下能夠讓他在21到35歲的單身女婿冷凍卵子這是新加坡的做法政府補助費用第二個改善生育的環境母親的有薪產價是16週我們台灣現在是8週那父親的有薪陪產價我們是一週在新加坡是4週\n第三個這是我認為可以真的可以借鏡的所得稅的減免針對我職業婦女的部分我如果生第一胎新加坡的做法我減他總收入的15%減稅第二胎我減20%第三胎減25%最高可以達到減到60%針對職業婦女那我認為這可以在本國是可以擴大研議的\n只要是他的總收你只要這個家庭收了生第一胎我的這個總收入的所得的不管是他個人所得或者是家庭的總收入等等相關的稅額的減免是一種這個整個家庭這個父母之間的一個總收入來做減免我覺得本國是可以做這樣不是只限於職業婦女第四個我40歲以下的婦女指定公立醫院的人工授育能夠說是很貴的\n政府他們是有補助到75%這四項我都認為本國應該在你每年花1200億下個階段的時候所以我說你到底能不能認定它是國安議題那你新的內閣上來你是不是有再一次的6年的對少子化的因應計畫呢現在是本期看不到的以及我這個青年住宅\n是應該納入我的配婚年齡包括子女數我都應該讓他跟我的這個少子化跟購屋住宅應該要相連結所以針對我現在針對新加坡的這四項的做法跟我們青年住宅納入這個少子化的這個獎勵因此不知道院長您認為在您有沒有啟動下階段的這個少子化的因應政策這是第一個第二個您的做法是不是願意在這幾項當中也納入延益呢\n院長﹖\n既然是國安議題就要非常手段的因應現在你做了任何的公共建設包括我們講到我們現在的國軍以後也沒有人要當國軍了因為我們少子化哪來的國軍呢我們現在是工業也缺人服務也缺人農業也缺人\n然後包括了連公務系統要進來的新進人員也缺人公務人員也在缺人啊所以這個部分是如果你說是這個國安議題的話沒關係啦院長我還是提點你因為在這個既然你都認為是國安議題可是你並沒有在你的施政政策當中去規劃到這是本席作為一個國會議員要提點你的好下一個議題國營事業應該攜手穩定人員的供應\n我們這個特別我聚焦在天然氣我們90%的人員是仰賴進口在明年的時候我們天然氣的發電佔比是佔50%所以呢既然都是天然氣都是從國外進口而他在我的佔比打50%的時候本席認為強化人員自主\n多元分散採購降低人員的風險在我們現在特殊的地緣政治下的運輸模式就是成為國家人員穩定的潛在這個漏洞那我們小科普一下目前的國際物資的運送有兩者一個叫DES一個叫FBDS就是賣方我現在跟台灣跟這個卡達來購買那\n﹏﹏\n沒有下貨前都是屬於礦組的這句話是重點好那如果是我們改為我方的話對FOB的話那變成是我只要訂貨從對方的礦組的港口我一提貨就是屬於我方的好但是呢我們現在呢中油所用的呢就是DS完全掌握在這個礦組的手上\n好,那現在呢,礦組用了他的車子之後,當然船是他的啊,他當然是可以自己做決定啊,所以在商業交易當中,我們的船東啦,貨主啦,船長是有權利尊重當時船長的當機決定,可以拒絕進入到本國的。好,所以呢當外籍商用船遭遇到極端的這個狀況,他可以全數返航。\n不進入到本國卸貨賣家也就是我們天然氣的礦組他們是可以免責的那國家的供電我們有50%的天然氣完全就是掌握在國外人的手上我提出兩個議題請您事後瞭解一下在我們多次軍援當中我們天然氣運輸的進入本國的狀況是什麼?繞道還是在外海停滯\n還是有這個就是返回目的地本身目前就是繞道跟停止外本席所了解但是我想還是由你還是來了解一下至少這個的嚴重性我其實是在這幾次軍演當中我國面臨到天然氣竟然是竟然有這麼高的不可控\n那另外面對軍演跟軍事封鎖國際也有案例還是只有自己的國籍的船才願意運輸我們國家的必要物資只要是外籍船隻他一定都帶著他們的這個帶著我們訂購的物資返回原本地我講的是國際都有案例遇到當國家遇到軍演這個軍演甚至軍事封鎖的時候\n誰給那個國家發生戰爭的國家物資只有自己本國的國籍船不管是小麥稻米甚至我們現在的這個煤天然氣都是所以這個當中一國防部也這個國安會也自己出來講話520之後這都是公開報導\n五二零之後臺灣面對軍演的這件事情是只會屢日劇增那你天然氣是全部都是來自進口啊好那另外一個議題就是說我們天然氣有長約跟極其短約有長約就是10年到20年極其短約呢是\n一天每日到一年那當然這個長期約是以期貨來約定及期短約是以市場的價格那到包括在二五戰爭的時候我們的短約是天價的好不管是長約或短約都可以是用買方的FOB或者賣方的DS來執行好我想到價格\n﹚林岱樺\n﹚林岱樺﹚\n而且是現貨的那就是這樣的高價所以呢在中油當中才但是呢現在中油只有4艘這個我們有國際船來執行它的價格長約的價格是期貨來算它每艘每天是8萬美元你看8萬美元跟32.5跟我現況的現在的飆漲是20萬差了快3倍到4倍不等啊\n好 所以本行是具體主張我們這個時間的關係我希望我們現在目前我直接跳到這個我的建議方案那過去都是中油說好我來運那台電在今年他也說我也可以運那中油的時候過去為什麼反對台電運因為他怕說我運的這個台電你運的這個天然氣來你要搶食我國內的天然氣市場所以我就把這個阻絕掉了\n只要臺電開放讓臺電也購買因為他自己也在公開的他們發言人也講他們可以購買那我就把現在中油30%是採這種現貨採購的這30%全部移為臺電來用而且限定臺電你只能作為發電所用\n原來的70%採常約的中油的份你繼續做你回來你運到國內之後你還是可以做你的國內的天然氣市場那現在的問題是還要加上航港局那我們呢在要國企國運國家對經濟部跟交通部就要接同兩大國營事業攜手合作兩大國營事業攜手合作來對於台電自行採購限定他發電的用途共同使用中油目前的這個港口跟接收站\n以及我們交通部航港局和國際國運的政策也鼓勵我們國內的航商跟專業我們國內就三大國內航商鼓勵他們跟國內我們的政府跟國內航商以及專業的學校針對天然氣運輸船之急增加天然氣的訓練課程加入國際國運的行列我們的船也可以共用在中游目前在高雄的永安跟台中的天然氣共同培訓人才\n那我講到一點齁 這個我們現在的人才目前的國旗船只有4艘執行400航次當中的144航次當中只有這個國旗船這4艘我們報告院長我用報告這表示他很嚴重因為只有船長一個是台灣國旗\n﹗\n﹏﹏\n是完全外國在掌控欸。就會像我現在是很沒有具體的數據去呈現出我現在所以我才請你一定要事後去了解天然氣在軍演當中已經有面臨我是斷氣的不可控的因素所以院長你怎麼看這個我們國氣國運的國家對這個議題?\n首先軍援的時候必定有各種想定,那我們一定是採取最安全可靠的方式來維繫台灣所需要的各種物資,這個當然包括在內。那麼中油過去慣例都是用DES賣方負責的方式來運送,那我所知道中油也漸漸在朝用FOB的方式,但是他也建立了自己的這個系統。\n另外臺電將來在臺中以及協和電廠他必須自己要進這個天然氣LNG他也應該有新的方式可以來進行那部長能不能了解到未來中油臺電在這個船隻運送方式跟我們這個條件的設定底下有沒有新的作為\n這樣好不好?院長你已經有明確性的指示,所以你對於國企、國運、國家對這件事情你認為應不應該做?現在中郵已經朝向這個助理了。我現在會提出執行是我已經花了兩年時間,中郵才歸宿的才同意航港局說我願意把這個\n﹚林岱樺\n等了兩年本席諮詢了兩年他才去做這件事情所以你只要明確告訴我人力的問題我們要進一步的補充院長這樣子你只要同意國企國運國家對這個名詞是以國家來建制他才有可能跨部會的來做經濟部包括人員的培訓包括兩大部會包括交通部都有納入那這件事情你要主責給誰\n國家隊如果承擔這樣的責任當然是最好。我們要有一段時間來建置整個運輸的能量。您要主責給誰?是秘書長來統籌這件事情專案列管?兩位部長是要經濟部還是交通部?\n目的世界主委機關臺電都是經濟部。好,那我們就期待。那部長你可以回應,您針對這樣的建制一個月可以提出相關的規劃嗎?\n最後一個議題就是我們眷村文化的資產展現臺灣多元的歷史那從他的一個起源背景那這個我們\n眷村的住民也可以說是在1949年人類近代當中最大的遷徙那也是臺灣400年來歷史最大的一個文化融合我們講到臺灣這400年來臺灣是非常豐富的從原住民荷蘭日本敏克眷村住民一直到現在進行式的新住民那眷村是臺灣特有的歷史文化的遺產起源於1940年末到1950年政府是為了解決軍眷住房\n的問題而興建當然他在眷村文化語言飲食建築當然都有很大的就具有獨特性所以豐富了臺灣文化的多樣性好我們從過去從眷村改建的到眷村文化這當中到底有沒有創價呢創這個價值創造呢是有的\n眷改的1.0從這個眷村的改建到眷改2.0保存眷村文化我們透過了資產的運用土地的活化地方政府的合作經營我們竟然提前一年半全數清償了716億表示我的眷村改建到眷村文化的保存是可以創造價值的他不是社會的負債\n好,我們從過去的粗暴改建到現在文化重視的轉變,修復專業是文化資產保護的重要環節,需要專業的知識跟技術。所以呢,我們軍服處,國防部的軍服處目前有6位具有古蹟修復工程工地主任的專人執照的軍職人員,但是3年前我們有20位,現在降到6位。\n好那在這當中目前我們的眷尊永續工作其實有這四項這我們有51處其中13處還是在文化園區的服訪37處的文化資產的活化繼續的尋親維護文化資產跟建立平台真的在做的只有下面這一項叫尋親維護文化資產\n好那盤點出來這51處當中有國定股股機制定組股機限定股機歷史建物文化景觀聚落建築考古遺址51處但\n這個當中只有少數是有空間活化這51處當中只有少數空間活化好有幾個案例是讓我們平日遊客是若意不覺的臺北的四四南村臺中的信義新村高雄的黃浦新村這是有活化的空間活化大部分就是顯示建築物改建完後就顯示在那邊好\n那51處當中唯一一處尚未全面啟動眷村文化創新工程的就在我高雄海軍左營眷村。海軍左營的這個眷村是全國最大單一軍種的眷村全部保存面積59公頃。我目前只修復10%還有9成的眷村是人封為代修封。\n為待休,也就是閒置在那邊。我拍了幾張照片,這個左邊是左營眷村,您看,院長您看看,跟部長,你們就看看吧。這個是這樣的破舊,左邊是這樣的一個破舊,右邊是我黃埔青村,同樣在高雄。你看上圖是學校的老師帶著同學出來,下圖是我的爸爸媽媽帶著小朋友出遊。有活化就是這樣,一樣在高雄黃埔青村,一個是落魄不堪,而且是閒置,\n而且是還是讓他繼續落魄叫做風微待休的左營眷村好那再來呢在我這邊呢也一個在這個具體要求之前本席認為眷村文化是我的國際亮點這句話要聽清楚眷村文化是我的國際亮點也就是我在51處整個包裹起來\n我來做跟聯合國或者是等同聯合國認證的世界歷史遺址的基金會來申請我眷村文化的國際知名度然後呢來保存跟傳承讓他有更多資源的跟支持而且也提高臺灣也提高藉著眷村也提高臺灣的國際知名度讓更多人知道臺灣的眷村文化進而影響國際的這個影響力\n好這個歷史遺址基金會在我們澎湖澎湖有一個漁村他也是被也自己來申請的世界歷史遺址的基金會所以這個部分我們臺灣的這個是有潛力的所以臺灣是擁有全世界唯一的眷村文化資產\n好,我們應該讓他成為全民國防教育跟國際觀光價值兩個同居的。好,我這邊具體要求行政院專案列管。我也希望是秘書長能夠專案定時的召開會議。那要做這幾件事情,\n因為跨部會又涉及國防部又涉及文化部又涉及交通部第一個國防部要做什麼事呢他要申請世界遺址的基金會這按照這個我們彭埔的案例他其實準備了8個月\n所以這個只要目前國防部啟動他最多就一個一年他就可以完成這樣的申請相關的準備作業那第二個文化部他就要去文化部跟國防部共同為什麼要秘書長因為這還要組織單位來因為要花錢到底是\n國防部要花多少錢?文化部要花多少錢?那這樣盤整出來整個整修的費用那也要希望一個月能提出它的規劃另外交通部我們都有國際旅展本席要求國際旅展要納入我們的眷村文化\n作為我對外國在國外的是我們的國際我們的臺灣國際館其中有一項就是卷存文化這是對交通部的要求最後我也希望能夠研議增加請國防部增加有古蹟修復專業製造的軍職人員才能夠去維護我這51處\n院長,你怎麼看這個議題?\n非常佩服委員對於眷村文化這樣的關心。我覺得它是對我們生活的融合、情感的融合、跟社會的融合、文化的融合很重要的一環。那國防部因為是眷村文化,眷村它原來的這個所有管理者,它應該要有這樣的觀念,把眷村文化活化再利用。但是整個過程應該文化部要加上很多文化的底蘊跟文化的設計,讓它成為現代文化的一環。\n這樣他往國際走才會有他的價值。所以我們請這兩個部會去密切的聯繫將怎麼樣將剛剛委員所講的左營、海營、眷層。各個有不同的,但是精髓應該在文化部。\n所以是文化部來主責然後他定期開我的觀念很清楚因為既然跨部會就要一個人主責你到底是要秘書長指責還是政委主責就院長你指示我都沒有意見你現在如果主責給文化部那就文化部你就要定期把這個專案執行下去你就要定期邀國防部你每次的部長這邊你就要定期的以專案方式邀國防部文化部文化部本身然後交通部\n其實我們在高雄的眷村整頓中大概花了12億而且我個人覺得在戰後的建築裡面\n建築的確是大部分人的記憶,這點剛剛委員提到這個,把它全部整合在一起,成為一個很奇特的景觀,可以重新呈現第二次世界大戰,台灣當時的狀態,我覺得這個點子很好,我們會來執行。\n好那您大概什麼時候會有提出這樣的方案?兩個月好不好?因為你要重新的盤整這51處你甚至要怎麼既然是全國來看那他的特色他有很多軍種剛才我也提到我再秀一下這個表光是我這51處我的陸軍就19處海軍6處空軍19處後備3處憲兵3處軍情局1處\n謝謝,謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.562 --> 00:06.136\n有請我們行政院院長再請卓院長備選\n\n00:15.992 --> 00:35.713\n議員長我們從總統的520就職的講稿到您的這個施政的簡報我覺得獨缺一項我也不曉得政府現在面對少子化這個議題是什麼樣的看法他是已經嚴重到是所謂稱為國安議題呢還是說少子化國安議題這是一個民間的認知\n\n00:38.175 --> 00:48.791\n而政府他不認為他是一個國安議題,院長你怎麼看少子化?因為在520就職的講稿當,您的施政報告都缺了對少子化的因應。\n\n00:50.423 --> 01:12.823\n報告委員少子化不僅是個人是家庭是社會更是國家面臨的重大的問題。我們已經提升到國安的層次。您說這是國安的層次。0到6歲0到22歲都有相當多各個不同的補助的措施。那本期就要跟你檢討這個補助的措施。我們花了很多錢。\n\n01:13.484 --> 01:40.759\n一年平均1200億不等到現在執行5年多107年到113年今年是這個少子化因應計畫的截止年我也將近花了5000多萬5000多億了5000多億一年1200億那現在的第五年也花了將近5000多億了但是我的這個少子化的狀況有沒有減少沒有反而更形嚴重所以幾個\n\n01:43.277 --> 02:09.133\n幾個我們重點在2018年的時候這個數據為什麼它是國安議題2018年的時候我國的死亡人數已經正是高於出生人數了而且在去年2023年的世界競爭力的年報也把本國認為人口成長率視為弱勢項目那所以呢在本席辦公室這邊我們了解這個是政府的少子化對策計畫107到113\n\n02:11.554 --> 02:28.344\n我要提出這樣的一個表格是國發會這邊提供的每個勞動人口撫養人數比數值是越來越大壓力越大什麼叫做勞動人口依照本國的定義是15歲到65歲好這樣的總撫養比我們從這個表格2020年到我的16年後2040年所以總撫養比當中我100塊\n\n02:37.910 --> 02:58.650\n我今年的計算是我花100塊我扶養小孩我會100塊有17.39是花在扶養小孩我扶養老人我是花了27.89也就是2024年今年我們國家對於國人的總扶養比我花100塊有45.28是在扶養\n\n03:02.534 --> 03:02.554\n﹚林岱樺\n\n03:19.666 --> 03:22.768\n就是我的從17.39一直降到15.82但是我的老人的撫養比是從今年的27.89預估會在16年後是達到51.17\n\n03:35.456 --> 03:50.856\n所以這個那再來看除了這個對於我們人口數少的勞動連我們的人口的這個勞動人口也在減少的情況之下他所要負擔的扶幼跟扶老幣也大幅的成長\n\n03:51.997 --> 04:07.548\n所以我們從人口結構其實是國安議題與其要講說我少子化是國安議題本身我們整個臺灣的人口結構就是一個國安議題好但我今天重點是在少子化我們的少子化這邊呢從110年的總生育率0.98一直到112年前年的統計是0.86所以平均生\n\n04:16.214 --> 04:21.201\n0.98個小孩一直降到每年生0一個人生0.865個小孩\n\n04:23.643 --> 04:46.897\n好,那這樣的預算呢是我們有107年到113年分的77個分項,我們花了5000多億,那大部分都是用在哪裡呢?經貼補助,初期的育兒經貼、托育及就學補助,後期我們是放在住宅補貼,我們1200億每年就是花在這上面。\n\n04:47.637 --> 05:02.469\n好,那這個本行認為要增加生育率我們對婦女她在產前的時候是不是應該多一些資源包括她的心理諮商、生理的理療\n\n05:03.930 --> 05:20.097\n產前的準備價以及生育所得稅的減免,這個行政院是不是應該納入我們的政策規劃?好,我這邊具體建議那也請院長參考一下新加坡他們最新的對於生育的特色做法。第一個,\n\n05:20.797 --> 05:45.758\n因為我們現在晚婚所以導致我的生育率當然也降低所以我鼓勵他早婚的情況之下能夠讓他在21到35歲的單身女婿冷凍卵子這是新加坡的做法政府補助費用第二個改善生育的環境母親的有薪產價是16週我們台灣現在是8週那父親的有薪陪產價我們是一週在新加坡是4週\n\n05:46.799 --> 06:02.484\n第三個這是我認為可以真的可以借鏡的所得稅的減免針對我職業婦女的部分我如果生第一胎新加坡的做法我減他總收入的15%減稅第二胎我減20%第三胎減25%最高可以達到減到60%針對職業婦女那我認為這可以在本國是可以擴大研議的\n\n06:11.246 --> 06:37.361\n只要是他的總收你只要這個家庭收了生第一胎我的這個總收入的所得的不管是他個人所得或者是家庭的總收入等等相關的稅額的減免是一種這個整個家庭這個父母之間的一個總收入來做減免我覺得本國是可以做這樣不是只限於職業婦女第四個我40歲以下的婦女指定公立醫院的人工授育能夠說是很貴的\n\n06:38.982 --> 06:59.790\n政府他們是有補助到75%這四項我都認為本國應該在你每年花1200億下個階段的時候所以我說你到底能不能認定它是國安議題那你新的內閣上來你是不是有再一次的6年的對少子化的因應計畫呢現在是本期看不到的以及我這個青年住宅\n\n07:00.470 --> 07:29.068\n是應該納入我的配婚年齡包括子女數我都應該讓他跟我的這個少子化跟購屋住宅應該要相連結所以針對我現在針對新加坡的這四項的做法跟我們青年住宅納入這個少子化的這個獎勵因此不知道院長您認為在您有沒有啟動下階段的這個少子化的因應政策這是第一個第二個您的做法是不是願意在這幾項當中也納入延益呢\n\n07:29.707 --> 07:29.727\n院長﹖\n\n07:57.597 --> 08:17.388\n既然是國安議題就要非常手段的因應現在你做了任何的公共建設包括我們講到我們現在的國軍以後也沒有人要當國軍了因為我們少子化哪來的國軍呢我們現在是工業也缺人服務也缺人農業也缺人\n\n08:18.268 --> 08:42.856\n然後包括了連公務系統要進來的新進人員也缺人公務人員也在缺人啊所以這個部分是如果你說是這個國安議題的話沒關係啦院長我還是提點你因為在這個既然你都認為是國安議題可是你並沒有在你的施政政策當中去規劃到這是本席作為一個國會議員要提點你的好下一個議題國營事業應該攜手穩定人員的供應\n\n08:47.877 --> 09:04.854\n我們這個特別我聚焦在天然氣我們90%的人員是仰賴進口在明年的時候我們天然氣的發電佔比是佔50%所以呢既然都是天然氣都是從國外進口而他在我的佔比打50%的時候本席認為強化人員自主\n\n09:08.638 --> 09:31.247\n多元分散採購降低人員的風險在我們現在特殊的地緣政治下的運輸模式就是成為國家人員穩定的潛在這個漏洞那我們小科普一下目前的國際物資的運送有兩者一個叫DES一個叫FBDS就是賣方我現在跟台灣跟這個卡達來購買那\n\n09:48.619 --> 10:09.557\n沒有下貨前都是屬於礦組的這句話是重點好那如果是我們改為我方的話對FOB的話那變成是我只要訂貨從對方的礦組的港口我一提貨就是屬於我方的好但是呢我們現在呢中油所用的呢就是DS完全掌握在這個礦組的手上\n\n10:11.539 --> 10:34.922\n好,那現在呢,礦組用了他的車子之後,當然船是他的啊,他當然是可以自己做決定啊,所以在商業交易當中,我們的船東啦,貨主啦,船長是有權利尊重當時船長的當機決定,可以拒絕進入到本國的。好,所以呢當外籍商用船遭遇到極端的這個狀況,他可以全數返航。\n\n10:36.103 --> 11:02.182\n不進入到本國卸貨賣家也就是我們天然氣的礦組他們是可以免責的那國家的供電我們有50%的天然氣完全就是掌握在國外人的手上我提出兩個議題請您事後瞭解一下在我們多次軍援當中我們天然氣運輸的進入本國的狀況是什麼?繞道還是在外海停滯\n\n11:03.314 --> 11:22.137\n還是有這個就是返回目的地本身目前就是繞道跟停止外本席所了解但是我想還是由你還是來了解一下至少這個的嚴重性我其實是在這幾次軍演當中我國面臨到天然氣竟然是竟然有這麼高的不可控\n\n11:22.958 --> 11:45.240\n那另外面對軍演跟軍事封鎖國際也有案例還是只有自己的國籍的船才願意運輸我們國家的必要物資只要是外籍船隻他一定都帶著他們的這個帶著我們訂購的物資返回原本地我講的是國際都有案例遇到當國家遇到軍演這個軍演甚至軍事封鎖的時候\n\n11:46.400 --> 12:02.748\n誰給那個國家發生戰爭的國家物資只有自己本國的國籍船不管是小麥稻米甚至我們現在的這個煤天然氣都是所以這個當中一國防部也這個國安會也自己出來講話520之後這都是公開報導\n\n12:06.070 --> 12:25.660\n五二零之後臺灣面對軍演的這件事情是只會屢日劇增那你天然氣是全部都是來自進口啊好那另外一個議題就是說我們天然氣有長約跟極其短約有長約就是10年到20年極其短約呢是\n\n12:26.320 --> 12:44.248\n一天每日到一年那當然這個長期約是以期貨來約定及期短約是以市場的價格那到包括在二五戰爭的時候我們的短約是天價的好不管是長約或短約都可以是用買方的FOB或者賣方的DS來執行好我想到價格\n\n12:46.949 --> 12:46.969\n﹚林岱樺\n\n13:03.666 --> 13:03.686\n﹚林岱樺﹚\n\n13:29.378 --> 13:55.625\n而且是現貨的那就是這樣的高價所以呢在中油當中才但是呢現在中油只有4艘這個我們有國際船來執行它的價格長約的價格是期貨來算它每艘每天是8萬美元你看8萬美元跟32.5跟我現況的現在的飆漲是20萬差了快3倍到4倍不等啊\n\n13:56.405 --> 14:17.603\n好所以本行是具體主張我們這個時間的關係我希望我們現在目前我直接跳到這個我的建議方案那過去都是中油說好我來運那台電在今年他也說我也可以運那中油的時候過去為什麼反對台電運因為他怕說我運的這個台電你運的這個天然氣來你要搶食我國內的天然氣市場所以我就把這個阻絕掉了\n\n14:25.529 --> 14:39.132\n只要臺電開放讓臺電也購買因為他自己也在公開的他們發言人也講他們可以購買那我就把現在中油30%是採這種現貨採購的這30%全部移為臺電來用而且限定臺電你只能作為發電所用\n\n14:47.034 --> 15:16.310\n原來的70%採常約的中油的份你繼續做你回來你運到國內之後你還是可以做你的國內的天然氣市場那現在的問題是還要加上航港局那我們呢在要國企國運國家對經濟部跟交通部就要接同兩大國營事業攜手合作兩大國營事業攜手合作來對於台電自行採購限定他發電的用途共同使用中油目前的這個港口跟接收站\n\n15:16.830 --> 15:43.345\n以及我們交通部航港局和國際國運的政策也鼓勵我們國內的航商跟專業我們國內就三大國內航商鼓勵他們跟國內我們的政府跟國內航商以及專業的學校針對天然氣運輸船之急增加天然氣的訓練課程加入國際國運的行列我們的船也可以共用在中游目前在高雄的永安跟台中的天然氣共同培訓人才\n\n15:44.466 --> 16:02.407\n那我講到一點齁這個我們現在的人才目前的國旗船只有4艘執行400航次當中的144航次當中只有這個國旗船這4艘我們報告院長我用報告這表示他很嚴重因為只有船長一個是台灣國旗\n\n16:42.236 --> 17:00.400\n是完全外國在掌控欸。就會像我現在是很沒有具體的數據去呈現出我現在所以我才請你一定要事後去了解天然氣在軍演當中已經有面臨我是斷氣的不可控的因素所以院長你怎麼看這個我們國氣國運的國家對這個議題?\n\n17:04.881 --> 17:25.988\n首先軍援的時候必定有各種想定,那我們一定是採取最安全可靠的方式來維繫台灣所需要的各種物資,這個當然包括在內。那麼中油過去慣例都是用DES賣方負責的方式來運送,那我所知道中油也漸漸在朝用FOB的方式,但是他也建立了自己的這個系統。\n\n17:26.528 --> 17:48.194\n另外臺電將來在臺中以及協和電廠他必須自己要進這個天然氣LNG他也應該有新的方式可以來進行那部長能不能了解到未來中油臺電在這個船隻運送方式跟我們這個條件的設定底下有沒有新的作為\n\n17:49.895 --> 18:11.202\n這樣好不好?院長你已經有明確性的指示,所以你對於國企、國運、國家對這件事情你認為應不應該做?現在中郵已經朝向這個助理了。我現在會提出執行是我已經花了兩年時間,中郵才歸宿的才同意航港局說我願意把這個\n\n18:12.262 --> 18:12.282\n﹚林岱樺\n\n18:28.217 --> 18:54.593\n等了兩年本席諮詢了兩年他才去做這件事情所以你只要明確告訴我人力的問題我們要進一步的補充院長這樣子你只要同意國企國運國家對這個名詞是以國家來建制他才有可能跨部會的來做經濟部包括人員的培訓包括兩大部會包括交通部都有納入那這件事情你要主責給誰\n\n18:56.934 --> 19:04.797\n國家隊如果承擔這樣的責任當然是最好。我們要有一段時間來建置整個運輸的能量。您要主責給誰?是秘書長來統籌這件事情專案列管?兩位部長是要經濟部還是交通部?\n\n19:13.579 --> 19:18.081\n目的世界主委機關臺電都是經濟部。好,那我們就期待。那部長你可以回應,您針對這樣的建制一個月可以提出相關的規劃嗎?\n\n19:41.394 --> 19:44.439\n最後一個議題就是我們眷村文化的資產展現臺灣多元的歷史那從他的一個起源背景那這個我們\n\n19:57.358 --> 20:25.549\n眷村的住民也可以說是在1949年人類近代當中最大的遷徙那也是臺灣400年來歷史最大的一個文化融合我們講到臺灣這400年來臺灣是非常豐富的從原住民荷蘭日本敏克眷村住民一直到現在進行式的新住民那眷村是臺灣特有的歷史文化的遺產起源於1940年末到1950年政府是為了解決軍眷住房\n\n20:26.169 --> 20:44.268\n的問題而興建當然他在眷村文化語言飲食建築當然都有很大的就具有獨特性所以豐富了臺灣文化的多樣性好我們從過去從眷村改建的到眷村文化這當中到底有沒有創價呢創這個價值創造呢是有的\n\n20:48.192 --> 21:11.630\n眷改的1.0從這個眷村的改建到眷改2.0保存眷村文化我們透過了資產的運用土地的活化地方政府的合作經營我們竟然提前一年半全數清償了716億表示我的眷村改建到眷村文化的保存是可以創造價值的他不是社會的負債\n\n21:12.631 --> 21:36.889\n好,我們從過去的粗暴改建到現在文化重視的轉變,修復專業是文化資產保護的重要環節,需要專業的知識跟技術。所以呢,我們軍服處,國防部的軍服處目前有6位具有古蹟修復工程工地主任的專人執照的軍職人員,但是3年前我們有20位,現在降到6位。\n\n21:37.529 --> 21:57.236\n好那在這當中目前我們的眷尊永續工作其實有這四項這我們有51處其中13處還是在文化園區的服訪37處的文化資產的活化繼續的尋親維護文化資產跟建立平台真的在做的只有下面這一項叫尋親維護文化資產\n\n21:59.437 --> 22:10.443\n好那盤點出來這51處當中有國定股股機制定組股機限定股機歷史建物文化景觀聚落建築考古遺址51處但\n\n22:13.492 --> 22:37.093\n這個當中只有少數是有空間活化這51處當中只有少數空間活化好有幾個案例是讓我們平日遊客是若意不覺的臺北的四四南村臺中的信義新村高雄的黃浦新村這是有活化的空間活化大部分就是顯示建築物改建完後就顯示在那邊好\n\n22:38.334 --> 22:57.263\n那51處當中唯一一處尚未全面啟動眷村文化創新工程的就在我高雄海軍左營眷村。海軍左營的這個眷村是全國最大單一軍種的眷村全部保存面積59公頃。我目前只修復10%還有9成的眷村是人封為代修封。\n\n23:03.205 --> 23:31.153\n為待休,也就是閒置在那邊。我拍了幾張照片,這個左邊是左營眷村,您看,院長您看看,跟部長,你們就看看吧。這個是這樣的破舊,左邊是這樣的一個破舊,右邊是我黃埔青村,同樣在高雄。你看上圖是學校的老師帶著同學出來,下圖是我的爸爸媽媽帶著小朋友出遊。有活化就是這樣,一樣在高雄黃埔青村,一個是落魄不堪,而且是閒置,\n\n23:32.193 --> 23:55.878\n而且是還是讓他繼續落魄叫做風微待休的左營眷村好那再來呢在我這邊呢也一個在這個具體要求之前本席認為眷村文化是我的國際亮點這句話要聽清楚眷村文化是我的國際亮點也就是我在51處整個包裹起來\n\n23:57.006 --> 24:21.575\n我來做跟聯合國或者是等同聯合國認證的世界歷史遺址的基金會來申請我眷村文化的國際知名度然後呢來保存跟傳承讓他有更多資源的跟支持而且也提高臺灣也提高藉著眷村也提高臺灣的國際知名度讓更多人知道臺灣的眷村文化進而影響國際的這個影響力\n\n24:23.976 --> 24:39.650\n好這個歷史遺址基金會在我們澎湖澎湖有一個漁村他也是被也自己來申請的世界歷史遺址的基金會所以這個部分我們臺灣的這個是有潛力的所以臺灣是擁有全世界唯一的眷村文化資產\n\n24:40.891 --> 24:55.386\n好,我們應該讓他成為全民國防教育跟國際觀光價值兩個同居的。好,我這邊具體要求行政院專案列管。我也希望是秘書長能夠專案定時的召開會議。那要做這幾件事情,\n\n25:01.912 --> 25:16.357\n因為跨部會又涉及國防部又涉及文化部又涉及交通部第一個國防部要做什麼事呢他要申請世界遺址的基金會這按照這個我們彭埔的案例他其實準備了8個月\n\n25:17.657 --> 25:32.031\n所以這個只要目前國防部啟動他最多就一個一年他就可以完成這樣的申請相關的準備作業那第二個文化部他就要去文化部跟國防部共同為什麼要秘書長因為這還要組織單位來因為要花錢到底是\n\n25:36.035 --> 25:51.429\n國防部要花多少錢?文化部要花多少錢?那這樣盤整出來整個整修的費用那也要希望一個月能提出它的規劃另外交通部我們都有國際旅展本席要求國際旅展要納入我們的眷村文化\n\n25:52.430 --> 26:10.311\n作為我對外國在國外的是我們的國際我們的臺灣國際館其中有一項就是卷存文化這是對交通部的要求最後我也希望能夠研議增加請國防部增加有古蹟修復專業製造的軍職人員才能夠去維護我這51處\n\n26:12.634 --> 26:13.054\n院長,你怎麼看這個議題?\n\n26:27.455 --> 26:54.494\n非常佩服委員對於眷村文化這樣的關心。我覺得它是對我們生活的融合、情感的融合、跟社會的融合、文化的融合很重要的一環。那國防部因為是眷村文化,眷村它原來的這個所有管理者,它應該要有這樣的觀念,把眷村文化活化再利用。但是整個過程應該文化部要加上很多文化的底蘊跟文化的設計,讓它成為現代文化的一環。\n\n26:55.294 --> 27:05.347\n這樣他往國際走才會有他的價值。所以我們請這兩個部會去密切的聯繫將怎麼樣將剛剛委員所講的左營、海營、眷層。各個有不同的,但是精髓應該在文化部。\n\n27:10.126 --> 27:35.426\n所以是文化部來主責然後他定期開我的觀念很清楚因為既然跨部會就要一個人主責你到底是要秘書長指責還是政委主責就院長你指示我都沒有意見你現在如果主責給文化部那就文化部你就要定期把這個專案執行下去你就要定期邀國防部你每次的部長這邊你就要定期的以專案方式邀國防部文化部文化部本身然後交通部\n\n27:36.167 --> 27:39.749\n其實我們在高雄的眷村整頓中大概花了12億而且我個人覺得在戰後的建築裡面\n\n27:55.178 --> 28:10.235\n建築的確是大部分人的記憶,這點剛剛委員提到這個,把它全部整合在一起,成為一個很奇特的景觀,可以重新呈現第二次世界大戰,台灣當時的狀態,我覺得這個點子很好,我們會來執行。\n\n28:13.038 --> 28:29.834\n好那您大概什麼時候會有提出這樣的方案?兩個月好不好?因為你要重新的盤整這51處你甚至要怎麼既然是全國來看那他的特色他有很多軍種剛才我也提到我再秀一下這個表光是我這51處我的陸軍就19處海軍6處空軍19處後備3處憲兵3處軍情局1處\n\n28:38.582 --> 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所以本行是具體主張我們這個時間的關係我希望我們現在目前我直接跳到這個我的建議方案那過去都是中油說好我來運那台電在今年他也說我也可以運那中油的時候過去為什麼反對台電運因為他怕說我運的這個台電你運的這個天然氣來你要搶食我國內的天然氣市場所以我就把這個阻絕掉了"},{"start":865.529,"end":879.132,"text":"只要臺電開放讓臺電也購買因為他自己也在公開的他們發言人也講他們可以購買那我就把現在中油30%是採這種現貨採購的這30%全部移為臺電來用而且限定臺電你只能作為發電所用"},{"start":887.034,"end":916.31,"text":"原來的70%採常約的中油的份你繼續做你回來你運到國內之後你還是可以做你的國內的天然氣市場那現在的問題是還要加上航港局那我們呢在要國企國運國家對經濟部跟交通部就要接同兩大國營事業攜手合作兩大國營事業攜手合作來對於台電自行採購限定他發電的用途共同使用中油目前的這個港口跟接收站"},{"start":916.83,"end":943.345,"text":"以及我們交通部航港局和國際國運的政策也鼓勵我們國內的航商跟專業我們國內就三大國內航商鼓勵他們跟國內我們的政府跟國內航商以及專業的學校針對天然氣運輸船之急增加天然氣的訓練課程加入國際國運的行列我們的船也可以共用在中游目前在高雄的永安跟台中的天然氣共同培訓人才"},{"start":944.466,"end":962.407,"text":"那我講到一點齁 這個我們現在的人才目前的國旗船只有4艘執行400航次當中的144航次當中只有這個國旗船這4艘我們報告院長我用報告這表示他很嚴重因為只有船長一個是台灣國旗"},{"start":963.268,"end":984.019,"text":"﹗"},{"start":984.019,"end":1002.056,"text":"﹏﹏"},{"start":1002.236,"end":1020.4,"text":"是完全外國在掌控欸。就會像我現在是很沒有具體的數據去呈現出我現在所以我才請你一定要事後去了解天然氣在軍演當中已經有面臨我是斷氣的不可控的因素所以院長你怎麼看這個我們國氣國運的國家對這個議題?"},{"start":1024.881,"end":1045.988,"text":"首先軍援的時候必定有各種想定,那我們一定是採取最安全可靠的方式來維繫台灣所需要的各種物資,這個當然包括在內。那麼中油過去慣例都是用DES賣方負責的方式來運送,那我所知道中油也漸漸在朝用FOB的方式,但是他也建立了自己的這個系統。"},{"start":1046.528,"end":1068.194,"text":"另外臺電將來在臺中以及協和電廠他必須自己要進這個天然氣LNG他也應該有新的方式可以來進行那部長能不能了解到未來中油臺電在這個船隻運送方式跟我們這個條件的設定底下有沒有新的作為"},{"start":1069.895,"end":1091.202,"text":"這樣好不好?院長你已經有明確性的指示,所以你對於國企、國運、國家對這件事情你認為應不應該做?現在中郵已經朝向這個助理了。我現在會提出執行是我已經花了兩年時間,中郵才歸宿的才同意航港局說我願意把這個"},{"start":1092.262,"end":1092.282,"text":"﹚林岱樺"},{"start":1108.217,"end":1134.593,"text":"等了兩年本席諮詢了兩年他才去做這件事情所以你只要明確告訴我人力的問題我們要進一步的補充院長這樣子你只要同意國企國運國家對這個名詞是以國家來建制他才有可能跨部會的來做經濟部包括人員的培訓包括兩大部會包括交通部都有納入那這件事情你要主責給誰"},{"start":1136.934,"end":1144.797,"text":"國家隊如果承擔這樣的責任當然是最好。我們要有一段時間來建置整個運輸的能量。您要主責給誰?是秘書長來統籌這件事情專案列管?兩位部長是要經濟部還是交通部?"},{"start":1153.579,"end":1158.081,"text":"目的世界主委機關臺電都是經濟部。好,那我們就期待。那部長你可以回應,您針對這樣的建制一個月可以提出相關的規劃嗎?"},{"start":1181.394,"end":1184.439,"text":"最後一個議題就是我們眷村文化的資產展現臺灣多元的歷史那從他的一個起源背景那這個我們"},{"start":1197.358,"end":1225.549,"text":"眷村的住民也可以說是在1949年人類近代當中最大的遷徙那也是臺灣400年來歷史最大的一個文化融合我們講到臺灣這400年來臺灣是非常豐富的從原住民荷蘭日本敏克眷村住民一直到現在進行式的新住民那眷村是臺灣特有的歷史文化的遺產起源於1940年末到1950年政府是為了解決軍眷住房"},{"start":1226.169,"end":1244.268,"text":"的問題而興建當然他在眷村文化語言飲食建築當然都有很大的就具有獨特性所以豐富了臺灣文化的多樣性好我們從過去從眷村改建的到眷村文化這當中到底有沒有創價呢創這個價值創造呢是有的"},{"start":1248.192,"end":1271.63,"text":"眷改的1.0從這個眷村的改建到眷改2.0保存眷村文化我們透過了資產的運用土地的活化地方政府的合作經營我們竟然提前一年半全數清償了716億表示我的眷村改建到眷村文化的保存是可以創造價值的他不是社會的負債"},{"start":1272.631,"end":1296.889,"text":"好,我們從過去的粗暴改建到現在文化重視的轉變,修復專業是文化資產保護的重要環節,需要專業的知識跟技術。所以呢,我們軍服處,國防部的軍服處目前有6位具有古蹟修復工程工地主任的專人執照的軍職人員,但是3年前我們有20位,現在降到6位。"},{"start":1297.529,"end":1317.236,"text":"好那在這當中目前我們的眷尊永續工作其實有這四項這我們有51處其中13處還是在文化園區的服訪37處的文化資產的活化繼續的尋親維護文化資產跟建立平台真的在做的只有下面這一項叫尋親維護文化資產"},{"start":1319.437,"end":1330.443,"text":"好那盤點出來這51處當中有國定股股機制定組股機限定股機歷史建物文化景觀聚落建築考古遺址51處但"},{"start":1333.492,"end":1357.093,"text":"這個當中只有少數是有空間活化這51處當中只有少數空間活化好有幾個案例是讓我們平日遊客是若意不覺的臺北的四四南村臺中的信義新村高雄的黃浦新村這是有活化的空間活化大部分就是顯示建築物改建完後就顯示在那邊好"},{"start":1358.334,"end":1377.263,"text":"那51處當中唯一一處尚未全面啟動眷村文化創新工程的就在我高雄海軍左營眷村。海軍左營的這個眷村是全國最大單一軍種的眷村全部保存面積59公頃。我目前只修復10%還有9成的眷村是人封為代修封。"},{"start":1383.205,"end":1411.153,"text":"為待休,也就是閒置在那邊。我拍了幾張照片,這個左邊是左營眷村,您看,院長您看看,跟部長,你們就看看吧。這個是這樣的破舊,左邊是這樣的一個破舊,右邊是我黃埔青村,同樣在高雄。你看上圖是學校的老師帶著同學出來,下圖是我的爸爸媽媽帶著小朋友出遊。有活化就是這樣,一樣在高雄黃埔青村,一個是落魄不堪,而且是閒置,"},{"start":1412.193,"end":1435.878,"text":"而且是還是讓他繼續落魄叫做風微待休的左營眷村好那再來呢在我這邊呢也一個在這個具體要求之前本席認為眷村文化是我的國際亮點這句話要聽清楚眷村文化是我的國際亮點也就是我在51處整個包裹起來"},{"start":1437.006,"end":1461.575,"text":"我來做跟聯合國或者是等同聯合國認證的世界歷史遺址的基金會來申請我眷村文化的國際知名度然後呢來保存跟傳承讓他有更多資源的跟支持而且也提高臺灣也提高藉著眷村也提高臺灣的國際知名度讓更多人知道臺灣的眷村文化進而影響國際的這個影響力"},{"start":1463.976,"end":1479.65,"text":"好這個歷史遺址基金會在我們澎湖澎湖有一個漁村他也是被也自己來申請的世界歷史遺址的基金會所以這個部分我們臺灣的這個是有潛力的所以臺灣是擁有全世界唯一的眷村文化資產"},{"start":1480.891,"end":1495.386,"text":"好,我們應該讓他成為全民國防教育跟國際觀光價值兩個同居的。好,我這邊具體要求行政院專案列管。我也希望是秘書長能夠專案定時的召開會議。那要做這幾件事情,"},{"start":1501.912,"end":1516.357,"text":"因為跨部會又涉及國防部又涉及文化部又涉及交通部第一個國防部要做什麼事呢他要申請世界遺址的基金會這按照這個我們彭埔的案例他其實準備了8個月"},{"start":1517.657,"end":1532.031,"text":"所以這個只要目前國防部啟動他最多就一個一年他就可以完成這樣的申請相關的準備作業那第二個文化部他就要去文化部跟國防部共同為什麼要秘書長因為這還要組織單位來因為要花錢到底是"},{"start":1536.035,"end":1551.429,"text":"國防部要花多少錢?文化部要花多少錢?那這樣盤整出來整個整修的費用那也要希望一個月能提出它的規劃另外交通部我們都有國際旅展本席要求國際旅展要納入我們的眷村文化"},{"start":1552.43,"end":1570.311,"text":"作為我對外國在國外的是我們的國際我們的臺灣國際館其中有一項就是卷存文化這是對交通部的要求最後我也希望能夠研議增加請國防部增加有古蹟修復專業製造的軍職人員才能夠去維護我這51處"},{"start":1572.634,"end":1573.054,"text":"院長,你怎麼看這個議題?"},{"start":1587.455,"end":1614.494,"text":"非常佩服委員對於眷村文化這樣的關心。我覺得它是對我們生活的融合、情感的融合、跟社會的融合、文化的融合很重要的一環。那國防部因為是眷村文化,眷村它原來的這個所有管理者,它應該要有這樣的觀念,把眷村文化活化再利用。但是整個過程應該文化部要加上很多文化的底蘊跟文化的設計,讓它成為現代文化的一環。"},{"start":1615.294,"end":1625.347,"text":"這樣他往國際走才會有他的價值。所以我們請這兩個部會去密切的聯繫將怎麼樣將剛剛委員所講的左營、海營、眷層。各個有不同的,但是精髓應該在文化部。"},{"start":1630.126,"end":1655.426,"text":"所以是文化部來主責然後他定期開我的觀念很清楚因為既然跨部會就要一個人主責你到底是要秘書長指責還是政委主責就院長你指示我都沒有意見你現在如果主責給文化部那就文化部你就要定期把這個專案執行下去你就要定期邀國防部你每次的部長這邊你就要定期的以專案方式邀國防部文化部文化部本身然後交通部"},{"start":1656.167,"end":1659.749,"text":"其實我們在高雄的眷村整頓中大概花了12億而且我個人覺得在戰後的建築裡面"},{"start":1675.178,"end":1690.235,"text":"建築的確是大部分人的記憶,這點剛剛委員提到這個,把它全部整合在一起,成為一個很奇特的景觀,可以重新呈現第二次世界大戰,台灣當時的狀態,我覺得這個點子很好,我們會來執行。"},{"start":1693.038,"end":1709.834,"text":"好那您大概什麼時候會有提出這樣的方案?兩個月好不好?因為你要重新的盤整這51處你甚至要怎麼既然是全國來看那他的特色他有很多軍種剛才我也提到我再秀一下這個表光是我這51處我的陸軍就19處海軍6處空軍19處後備3處憲兵3處軍情局1處"},{"start":1718.582,"end":1718.602,"text":"謝謝,謝謝委員"}]}}}}