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00:01:55,917\n那這一次通過的一個版本我相信社會大眾眼睛都很血亮程序上那當然就不用講了有很大的一個問題充滿了重大的一個瑕疵在這個內容裡面我相信從行政院所提出的這些覆議理由裡面也去感受到了這違反了整個權力的一個分立確實你去從整本憲法你去把它翻了你很難去看到說你找不到不是很難看到\n\n5\n00:01:56,677 --> 00:01:59,921\n總統對立法院職來負責這樣的一個條文在啊剛剛院長你去給岳元智去給他掛的你知道嗎岳元智岳委員要切糖沒通啦糖沒通啦我為什麼這樣講呢他舉的叫做法國啊\n\n6\n00:02:12,864 --> 00:02:41,326\n他講的是第五共和啊他沒有再往前去看他的第三共和第四共和其實講的就是在講內閣制過去啊人類啊還沒進步的時候哪有什麼叫憲政體制那接下來呢皇權時代那你更別想有什麼憲政體制啊這皇帝去破壞到人民破壞到貴族以後還有老百姓起來反抗然後就要求君主立憲甚至到最後呢\n\n7\n00:02:42,908 --> 00:03:02,645\n這個頒布憲法了,那過去在我們憲法的規定裡面我們國會的席次,我相信院長你很清楚嘛,你在做的時候幾席?275席吧?到了2004年第七次修憲的時候,從222席砍到113席,院長你誠實的講啦,三百萬年你還記不記得?\n\n8\n00:03:09,616 --> 00:03:17,241\n本來憲法五十七條的規定確實是國會至上喔!憲法五十七條的規定本來是講說我們立法院對於行政院的重大政策有意見的時候我們都可以邀請你們來做變更喔!\n\n9\n00:03:39,784 --> 00:03:55,462\n我來修正砍掉了停止適用了因為總統選出來了不然我從小時候在看到立法委員在質詢每一個人站在這個地方都跟你說我代表民意你挖坑了代表民意這次民意就反撲了\n\n10\n00:03:57,014 --> 00:04:20,001\n這次民意就反撲了但是我要請教院長的就是說接下來立法院很有可能在野黨這樣聯手國會的多數會通過很多可判的法案院長你可能會創下有史以來提附議最多的一個院長你怎樣看待立法跟行政兩院這樣的一個對立你有什麼選擇嗎?我問你\n\n11\n00:04:23,168 --> 00:04:50,254\n最重要的還是希望在大院裡面的討論能夠真的透過民主程序大家好好的討論很嚴謹的來審視所有的法案這樣的話出來的法案大家依法行政都心裡都沒有任何的壓力人民也會接受這樣國家才能往前走今天在覆議案我們才在主條所以應該要透過民主程序好好的討論覆議案不等不是嗎\n\n12\n00:04:51,877 --> 00:05:14,525\n我在司法法制委員會我很清楚啊這是要主條來討論沒有一條主條過啊就只有大體討論啊大體討論我就提出來了我說開什麼玩笑啊本來按照在野黨的提案裡面啊藐視國會的部分啊人民是處三年以下有嫉妒刑官員是一年嗎?還記得吧?那是我講的他們是笑的\n\n13\n00:05:18,948 --> 00:05:19,529\n請教的就是說部長\n\n14\n00:05:39,008 --> 00:05:59,794\n你若說你這感覺我出現的,叫政人來,不管是民事、不管是刑事,傳政人來,好啦你傳我去啊,我不要去啊,你了不起命狙題嘛,對不對?合法傳票狙題。你傳我去我就不去,你就把我狙題去了。我到了法庭上,我還是拒絕證言。\n\n15\n00:06:03,643 --> 00:06:24,471\n可以吧?可以。我們來看有沒有拒絕政員的這些法律的部分。是啊。然後處罰是多少?罰款的。三萬。立法院說變多少?那十萬啦!那很怪啦!這個邏輯我到現在都想不通。法院罰人民,三萬。我們立法院叫來,你給我介紹,十萬。這哪通啊?如果你找我去傳喚證人,\n\n16\n00:06:32,284 --> 00:06:35,545\n我虛偽跟你陳述我跟你亂講一通跟你講顛倒你要處罰我對不對我到時候我的律師提出來跟你講你忘記拒絕無效\n\n17\n00:06:46,598 --> 00:06:47,198\n所以我這個地方非常\n\n18\n00:07:14,318 --> 00:07:22,642\n今天繼續努力明天如果覆議案結果出來之後有必要尋求憲法上另外途徑的救濟我們會再經過思考這個條文的設計草率\n\n19\n00:07:40,199 --> 00:08:09,062\n我看到在黨的朋友一直在講說還要我們的我們這個整個調查權的行使啊就跟人家德國的調查委員會法就很類似的是啊但是人家整本啊調查委員會法裡面對證人的一個整個裡面的一個規定啊規本規特那我們現在是把辛辛苦苦來協助國會調查的人來協助的人我們現在認為說武器好用了弄了一大堆處罰的規定\n\n20\n00:08:10,900 --> 00:08:30,636\n這個對於人權的保障,這個太過於草率了。剛剛岳元智還要講,你說你覺得我們中華民國什麼體制,我們這些亂七八糟的體制,我也不知道。我也算熟讀憲法,一定有,如果內閣制,你根本就沒有機會當院長啊。\n\n21\n00:08:32,953 --> 00:08:56,459\n今天如果內閣制今天就應該你國民黨跟民眾黨你們就推一個來當行政院院長現在就是不是內閣制在卓榮泰院長來當行政院長不需要國會的一個同意嘛對不對那好啦總統也選出來了那總統當然他具備有名義啊但是呢\n\n22\n00:08:57,518 --> 00:09:15,753\n我們看到這麼多的條文的一個設計裡面,荒腔走板。昨天副分局也特別講,說那個四十六條之後,我們就全部照你民主進步黨的條文通過的。是啊,他的再修正案通過了以後,他還講說三黨共識,一看就跪了。\n\n23\n00:09:20,376 --> 00:09:40,525\n在偵查跟審判裁判確定前確實不能去侵害司法權這一條就用我們的條文啦可是接下來四十七條布丁你要怎麼辦?他該說可以調副本這個條文通過以後你法務部你怎麼辦?你怎麼辦?你給還是不給?你給副本還是不給副本?就只好配合辦理你說呢?\n\n24\n00:09:43,015 --> 00:09:43,375\n所以喔你看\n\n25\n00:10:07,276 --> 00:10:07,296\n好謝謝\n\n26\n00:10:36,609 --> 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總統也選出來了那總統當然他具備有名義啊但是呢\n537518\t555753\t我們看到這麼多的條文的一個設計裡面,荒腔走板。昨天副分局也特別講,說那個四十六條之後,我們就全部照你民主進步黨的條文通過的。是啊,他的再修正案通過了以後,他還講說三黨共識,一看就跪了。\n560376\t580525\t在偵查跟審判裁判確定前確實不能去侵害司法權這一條就用我們的條文啦可是接下來四十七條布丁你要怎麼辦?他該說可以調副本這個條文通過以後你法務部你怎麼辦?你怎麼辦?你給還是不給?你給副本還是不給副本?就只好配合辦理你說呢?\n583015\t583375\t所以喔 你看\n607276\t607296\t好 謝謝\n636609\t644234\t謝謝莊委員、謝謝卓院長下一位我們請林德福委員質詢\n","txt":"謝謝主席。有請我們行政院卓榮台院長。請卓院長備詢。請我們法務部啊。請法務部長備詢。院長好。莊委員好。我想今天這個整個覆議案在立法院將在整部法律審完以後進入這樣的一個程序我個人有很大的一個感慨\n那這一次整個國會職權的一個行使法就是國會改革的一個法案衍生到最後民眾認為這是一個國會擴權的一個法案為什麼說覺得很感慨呢民主進步黨不管是在野或者是我們執政其實國會改革民主進步黨都有提出方案我們在野的時候我們也提出我們執政了以後我們在國會多數我們也提出\n為什麼到最後都沒有繼續審議下去了?國會沒有共識社會沒有共識我舉我們在第九 第十屆第九屆我就跟我們現在的國安部長我們的顧立雄當初他在立法委員的時候我們就共提過版本\n那這一次通過的一個版本我相信社會大眾眼睛都很血亮程序上那當然就不用講了有很大的一個問題充滿了重大的一個瑕疵在這個內容裡面我相信從行政院所提出的這些覆議理由裡面也去感受到了這違反了整個權力的一個分立確實你去從整本憲法你去把它翻了你很難去看到說你找不到不是很難看到\n總統對立法院職來負責這樣的一個條文在啊剛剛院長你去給岳元智去給他掛的你知道嗎岳元智 岳委員 要切糖沒通啦糖沒通啦我為什麼這樣講呢他舉的叫做法國啊\n他講的是第五共和啊他沒有再往前去看他的第三共和第四共和其實講的就是在講內閣制過去啊人類啊還沒進步的時候哪有什麼叫憲政體制那接下來呢皇權時代那你更別想有什麼憲政體制啊這皇帝去破壞到人民破壞到貴族以後還有老百姓起來反抗然後就要求君主立憲甚至到最後呢\n這個頒布憲法了,那過去在我們憲法的規定裡面我們國會的席次,我相信院長你很清楚嘛,你在做的時候幾席?275席吧?到了2004年第七次修憲的時候,從222席砍到113席,院長你誠實的講啦,三百萬年你還記不記得?\n本來憲法五十七條的規定確實是國會至上喔!憲法五十七條的規定本來是講說我們立法院對於行政院的重大政策有意見的時候我們都可以邀請你們來做變更喔!\n我來修正砍掉了停止適用了因為總統選出來了不然我從小時候在看到立法委員在質詢每一個人站在這個地方都跟你說我代表民意你挖坑了代表民意這次民意就反撲了\n這次民意就反撲了但是我要請教院長的就是說接下來立法院很有可能在野黨這樣聯手國會的多數會通過很多可判的法案院長你可能會創下有史以來提附議最多的一個院長你怎樣看待立法跟行政兩院這樣的一個對立你有什麼選擇嗎?我問你\n最重要的還是希望在大院裡面的討論能夠真的透過民主程序大家好好的討論很嚴謹的來審視所有的法案這樣的話出來的法案大家依法行政都心裡都沒有任何的壓力人民也會接受這樣國家才能往前走今天在覆議案我們才在主條所以應該要透過民主程序好好的討論覆議案不等不是嗎\n我在司法法制委員會我很清楚啊這是要主條來討論沒有一條主條過啊就只有大體討論啊大體討論我就提出來了我說開什麼玩笑啊本來按照在野黨的提案裡面啊藐視國會的部分啊人民是處三年以下有嫉妒刑官員是一年嗎?還記得吧?那是我講的 他們是笑的\n請教的就是說部長\n你若說你這感覺我出現的,叫政人來,不管是民事、不管是刑事,傳政人來,好啦你傳我去啊,我不要去啊,你了不起命狙題嘛,對不對?合法傳票狙題。你傳我去我就不去,你就把我狙題去了。我到了法庭上,我還是拒絕證言。\n可以吧?可以。我們來看有沒有拒絕政員的這些法律的部分。是啊。然後處罰是多少?罰款的。三萬。立法院說變多少?那十萬啦!那很怪啦!這個邏輯我到現在都想不通。法院罰人民,三萬。我們立法院叫來,你給我介紹,十萬。這哪通啊?如果你找我去傳喚證人,\n我虛偽跟你陳述我跟你亂講一通跟你講顛倒你要處罰我對不對我到時候我的律師提出來跟你講你忘記拒絕無效\n所以我這個地方非常\n今天繼續努力明天如果覆議案結果出來之後有必要尋求憲法上另外途徑的救濟我們會再經過思考這個條文的設計草率\n我看到在黨的朋友一直在講說還要我們的我們這個整個調查權的行使啊就跟人家德國的調查委員會法就很類似的是啊但是人家整本啊調查委員會法裡面對證人的一個整個裡面的一個規定啊規本規特那我們現在是把辛辛苦苦來協助國會調查的人來協助的人我們現在認為說武器好用了弄了一大堆處罰的規定\n這個對於人權的保障,這個太過於草率了。剛剛岳元智還要講,你說你覺得我們中華民國什麼體制,我們這些亂七八糟的體制,我也不知道。我也算熟讀憲法,一定有,如果內閣制,你根本就沒有機會當院長啊。\n今天如果內閣制今天就應該你國民黨跟民眾黨你們就推一個來當行政院院長現在就是不是內閣制在卓榮泰院長來當行政院長不需要國會的一個同意嘛 對不對那好啦 總統也選出來了那總統當然他具備有名義啊但是呢\n我們看到這麼多的條文的一個設計裡面,荒腔走板。昨天副分局也特別講,說那個四十六條之後,我們就全部照你民主進步黨的條文通過的。是啊,他的再修正案通過了以後,他還講說三黨共識,一看就跪了。\n在偵查跟審判裁判確定前確實不能去侵害司法權這一條就用我們的條文啦可是接下來四十七條布丁你要怎麼辦?他該說可以調副本這個條文通過以後你法務部你怎麼辦?你怎麼辦?你給還是不給?你給副本還是不給副本?就只好配合辦理你說呢?\n所以喔 你看\n好 謝謝\n謝謝莊委員、謝謝卓院長下一位我們請林德福委員質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.099 --> 00:11.862\n謝謝主席。有請我們行政院卓榮台院長。請卓院長備詢。請我們法務部啊。請法務部長備詢。院長好。莊委員好。我想今天這個整個覆議案在立法院將在整部法律審完以後進入這樣的一個程序我個人有很大的一個感慨\n\n00:35.393 --> 01:03.968\n那這一次整個國會職權的一個行使法就是國會改革的一個法案衍生到最後民眾認為這是一個國會擴權的一個法案為什麼說覺得很感慨呢民主進步黨不管是在野或者是我們執政其實國會改革民主進步黨都有提出方案我們在野的時候我們也提出我們執政了以後我們在國會多數我們也提出\n\n01:05.058 --> 01:27.686\n為什麼到最後都沒有繼續審議下去了?國會沒有共識社會沒有共識我舉我們在第九第十屆第九屆我就跟我們現在的國安部長我們的顧立雄當初他在立法委員的時候我們就共提過版本\n\n01:28.971 --> 01:55.917\n那這一次通過的一個版本我相信社會大眾眼睛都很血亮程序上那當然就不用講了有很大的一個問題充滿了重大的一個瑕疵在這個內容裡面我相信從行政院所提出的這些覆議理由裡面也去感受到了這違反了整個權力的一個分立確實你去從整本憲法你去把它翻了你很難去看到說你找不到不是很難看到\n\n01:56.677 --> 01:59.921\n總統對立法院職來負責這樣的一個條文在啊剛剛院長你去給岳元智去給他掛的你知道嗎岳元智岳委員要切糖沒通啦糖沒通啦我為什麼這樣講呢他舉的叫做法國啊\n\n02:12.864 --> 02:41.326\n他講的是第五共和啊他沒有再往前去看他的第三共和第四共和其實講的就是在講內閣制過去啊人類啊還沒進步的時候哪有什麼叫憲政體制那接下來呢皇權時代那你更別想有什麼憲政體制啊這皇帝去破壞到人民破壞到貴族以後還有老百姓起來反抗然後就要求君主立憲甚至到最後呢\n\n02:42.908 --> 03:02.645\n這個頒布憲法了,那過去在我們憲法的規定裡面我們國會的席次,我相信院長你很清楚嘛,你在做的時候幾席?275席吧?到了2004年第七次修憲的時候,從222席砍到113席,院長你誠實的講啦,三百萬年你還記不記得?\n\n03:09.616 --> 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要切糖沒通啦糖沒通啦我為什麼這樣講呢他舉的叫做法國啊"},{"start":132.864,"end":161.326,"text":"他講的是第五共和啊他沒有再往前去看他的第三共和第四共和其實講的就是在講內閣制過去啊人類啊還沒進步的時候哪有什麼叫憲政體制那接下來呢皇權時代那你更別想有什麼憲政體制啊這皇帝去破壞到人民破壞到貴族以後還有老百姓起來反抗然後就要求君主立憲甚至到最後呢"},{"start":162.908,"end":182.645,"text":"這個頒布憲法了,那過去在我們憲法的規定裡面我們國會的席次,我相信院長你很清楚嘛,你在做的時候幾席?275席吧?到了2004年第七次修憲的時候,從222席砍到113席,院長你誠實的講啦,三百萬年你還記不記得?"},{"start":189.616,"end":197.241,"text":"本來憲法五十七條的規定確實是國會至上喔!憲法五十七條的規定本來是講說我們立法院對於行政院的重大政策有意見的時候我們都可以邀請你們來做變更喔!"},{"start":219.784,"end":235.462,"text":"我來修正砍掉了停止適用了因為總統選出來了不然我從小時候在看到立法委員在質詢每一個人站在這個地方都跟你說我代表民意你挖坑了代表民意這次民意就反撲了"},{"start":237.014,"end":260.001,"text":"這次民意就反撲了但是我要請教院長的就是說接下來立法院很有可能在野黨這樣聯手國會的多數會通過很多可判的法案院長你可能會創下有史以來提附議最多的一個院長你怎樣看待立法跟行政兩院這樣的一個對立你有什麼選擇嗎?我問你"},{"start":263.168,"end":290.254,"text":"最重要的還是希望在大院裡面的討論能夠真的透過民主程序大家好好的討論很嚴謹的來審視所有的法案這樣的話出來的法案大家依法行政都心裡都沒有任何的壓力人民也會接受這樣國家才能往前走今天在覆議案我們才在主條所以應該要透過民主程序好好的討論覆議案不等不是嗎"},{"start":291.877,"end":314.525,"text":"我在司法法制委員會我很清楚啊這是要主條來討論沒有一條主條過啊就只有大體討論啊大體討論我就提出來了我說開什麼玩笑啊本來按照在野黨的提案裡面啊藐視國會的部分啊人民是處三年以下有嫉妒刑官員是一年嗎?還記得吧?那是我講的 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對不對那好啦 總統也選出來了那總統當然他具備有名義啊但是呢"},{"start":537.518,"end":555.753,"text":"我們看到這麼多的條文的一個設計裡面,荒腔走板。昨天副分局也特別講,說那個四十六條之後,我們就全部照你民主進步黨的條文通過的。是啊,他的再修正案通過了以後,他還講說三黨共識,一看就跪了。"},{"start":560.376,"end":580.525,"text":"在偵查跟審判裁判確定前確實不能去侵害司法權這一條就用我們的條文啦可是接下來四十七條布丁你要怎麼辦?他該說可以調副本這個條文通過以後你法務部你怎麼辦?你怎麼辦?你給還是不給?你給副本還是不給副本?就只好配合辦理你說呢?"},{"start":583.015,"end":583.375,"text":"所以喔 你看"},{"start":607.276,"end":607.296,"text":"好 謝謝"},{"start":636.609,"end":644.234,"text":"謝謝莊委員、謝謝卓院長下一位我們請林德福委員質詢"}]}}}}