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00:01:48,440\n這一個違憲亂政的一個立法院職權行使法可是這部法通過之後呢老實說啊到底啊這些難以盡忠的周萬蘭秘書長所做的提示啊他們會不會聽得下去這幾天我聽他們的質詢內容還有私底下請教他們啊老實講我對於這一個週五的這個覆議案的表決老實說我是悲觀的\n\n5\n00:01:49,653 --> 00:01:54,257\n因為私底下我問他們的時候他們說他們如果贊成的話形同於政治自殺\n\n6\n00:01:55,905 --> 00:02:19,514\n所以我覺得院長你可能要有心理準備即便是周恩來這麼說即便有百名的法律學者這樣連署但是我覺得藍營或者是民眾黨的這群朋友還是執迷不悟啦那執迷不悟的情況底下我覺得我們面對可能最壞的打算就是後面的這個救濟程序要怎麼進行\n\n7\n00:02:20,692 --> 00:02:40,495\n就於程序進行裡頭,就是人民除了憤怒之外,就如同昨天郭智慧部長所說的科技業很恐慌,其實不只科技業很恐慌,各行各業都很恐慌,他們隨時都有可能會被調來立法院。而這樣的情況底下,我看過這個相關的過去的案例,\n\n8\n00:02:41,616 --> 00:03:06,106\n如果假設明天覆議失敗的話總統大約是什麼時候公佈呢?總統如果連署的話一般而言他會公佈在總統府的公報總統府的公報一般而言都是在每週三的時候公佈如果週三的時候公佈的話如果生效日的話應該在下週五就生效\n\n9\n00:03:07,213 --> 00:03:22,561\n下周一旦生效的話,這部職權行使法生效日開始,就是目前國民黨或民眾黨說要趕快成立某某某某主題的一個調查委員會開始,簡單的講就是可以公設刑堂的開始。\n\n10\n00:03:23,533 --> 00:03:44,382\n公設刑法開始當他擁有這個法律的時候你知道目前的一些資本市場的精精病也好或者市場派跟公司派也好的爭奪隨時立法院都有可能介入的可能所以我想請教一下院長面對人民的恐慌那你提出覆議案\n\n11\n00:03:45,282 --> 00:03:47,244\n當然如果在覆議案沒有辦法順利成立的話那\n\n12\n00:04:14,735 --> 00:04:16,336\n法律生效前提出釋憲還是法律生效後提出釋憲?\n\n13\n00:04:34,366 --> 00:04:56,420\n生效後請出現週五以後你會有一個禮拜的時間那這樣子的話你一旦生效後我覺得就是發現有一個很可能會有一個空窗期啊院長也就是說你如果釋憲之後在釋憲結果出來之前這就是一個空窗期為什麼應該你也會同時去進行憲法法庭的暫時處分的一個申請嘛對不對\n\n14\n00:04:57,961 --> 00:05:24,879\n如果暫時處分的這個申請的話法官他到他的這個憲法法庭的話他會有一個審查要件是否有成立然後再進入實質的審查嘛所以一旦下個禮拜五生效的話到整個暫時處分的裁定出來之前就是一個很長的空窗期無法預期的空窗期對不對那這段時間的空窗期我不曉得那個院長有沒有什麼因應的方式\n\n15\n00:05:28,069 --> 00:05:48,004\n行政兩院以及社會都在看我們對憲法的認知跟憲法的遵守不應該在這個時候做出太多目前大家在爭議事項的行為否則會引起更大的憲政的紛爭甚至引起人民更大的反感我覺得我們都應該有這樣的共識\n\n16\n00:05:49,165 --> 00:06:11,160\n院長我聽得出來你的決心但是本席還是要適時的提醒你有兩個空窗期一個空窗期呢就是生效之後在整個憲法法庭裁定之前我假設他裁定是會凍結啦假設是這樣最好的方式但是還有一個是六個月的時效之後憲法那個釋之案還沒有出來之後這是第二個空窗期你總共有兩個空窗期\n\n17\n00:06:12,116 --> 00:06:39,567\n我們面對這兩個空窗期的情況底下我看到在野黨有做出一些討論他說如果要行使調查權的話一來立法院要設立所謂的調查官調查官這牽扯到所謂的修改組織法的問題二來他會跟行政院借調人員來支援如果國民黨民眾黨要跟你借調刑事局調查局檢察官那您同不同意\n\n18\n00:06:41,121 --> 00:06:53,693\n我們會以行政工作主要的人力規劃跟所有政策推動為主所以你這個理由是說你行政業務過於繁忙所以不予同意的意思囉\n\n19\n00:06:55,182 --> 00:07:16,884\n我會以這樣的思考為優先我其實我跟您提一個案例319這一個徵調會條例當中的第十一條徵調會可以向行政院借調人員而行政院機關不能拒絕可是這個條款在四字號633的時候已經宣告違憲\n\n20\n00:07:22,613 --> 00:07:38,240\n這基本上也是違反權力分立跟制衡的原則啦。如果是這樣子的話,院長你大可說你有權依照這個四字號第633號的部分,可以決定要不要藉人啊?就可以拒絕啊。\n\n21\n00:07:43,543 --> 00:08:07,352\n委員提醒讓我們更覺得行政工作還是以行政工作為主我們只要把自己的工作做好行政工作當然是最重要關鍵可是在這時候你要凸顯這部法令的荒謬性你看到底立法院大還是行政院大最近大家都比大的另外對人民最關心的不是比大小\n\n22\n00:08:08,174 --> 00:08:31,236\n最重要人民關心的部分如果他被調到的話他收到這個罰單一來他沒有行政救濟的管道立法院本身沒有行政救濟的管道而且他也沒有執行的單位的你現在處罰人民十萬元他沒有繳交文件十萬元難道是傅坤祺要去要嗎還是韓國瑜要去討我相信不會輪到江啟臣副院長吧\n\n23\n00:08:33,257 --> 00:08:55,544\n就是說誰去追討這個罰款那如果不服的話唯一救濟的管道就是司法救濟的管道司法救濟的管道他還要去哪裡不論你是被你這個被處罰的對象如果是在台北、高雄、花蓮、澎湖、金門你都得跑到台北來打官司因為立法院所在地行政法院來這邊提出耶你想這個立法院一般的民眾會接受嗎\n\n24\n00:08:57,315 --> 00:09:19,833\n更何況剛剛大家一直討論的一個部分我看到有好幾個在野的這個立法院提到說聽證會聽證權的部分是因為美國沒有執行權才會搞一個聽證權的嘛對不對院長就很理解是不是這樣子其實執行權如果要比大小執行權會比聽證權還小嗎\n\n25\n00:09:22,955 --> 00:09:25,917\n最高法院提出一個抵抗權的做法,抵抗權的部分基本上是要恢復民主憲政、憲法負以正當性和合法性。\n\n26\n00:09:53,956 --> 00:10:11,759\n接下來的國眾兩黨一定會不斷地騷擾我覺得院長你身為行政權的一個代表我認為你基本上內心的生態不只是要實現你要成為抵抗權的一個代表有沒有可能院長\n\n27\n00:10:13,558 --> 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院長你身為行政權的一個代表我認為你基本上內心的生態不只是要實現你要成為抵抗權的一個代表有沒有可能 院長\n613558\t638371\t我首先是實踐憲法上賦予我的權利再來我要盡到我的政治責任憲法上的權利是捍衛憲政秩序政治責任是捍衛人民的基本權利你只要做對的方向踩住這個民主體制維護民主體制的基本立場的話全民都會支持你立法院民進黨黨團會支持你科總會提出事件跟你們站在同一陣線謝謝院長\n642252\t642553\t謝謝郭委員、謝謝委員長。\n","txt":"主席,有請卓院長。請卓院長備詢。公務員好。院長好,院長辛苦。我想院長這次行政院提出的這個覆議案,本席有大概歸類幾個原則,一個民主原則、權力分立原則、法律明確性的原則、比例原則、正當法律程序等等。\n那其實很巧的齁其實在本院齁其實在整個司法委員會當中呢周恩來秘書長的這個報告內容當中也特別強調齁如果要針對這個被提名人陳述不實或者是要藐視國會規定處理或移送其他的行政法院調查的話方式不一但是要符合法律明確性正當法律程序原則比例原則這見解跟你都一樣\n行政院都相同那這樣的情況底下我們還是很遺憾的通過這樣的一步\n這一個違憲亂政的一個立法院職權行使法可是這部法通過之後呢老實說啊到底啊這些難以盡忠的周萬蘭秘書長所做的提示啊他們會不會聽得下去這幾天我聽他們的質詢內容還有私底下請教他們啊老實講我對於這一個週五的這個覆議案的表決老實說我是悲觀的\n因為私底下我問他們的時候他們說他們如果贊成的話形同於政治自殺\n所以我覺得院長你可能要有心理準備即便是周恩來這麼說即便有百名的法律學者這樣連署但是我覺得藍營或者是民眾黨的這群朋友還是執迷不悟啦那執迷不悟的情況底下我覺得我們面對可能最壞的打算就是後面的這個救濟程序要怎麼進行\n就於程序進行裡頭,就是人民除了憤怒之外,就如同昨天郭智慧部長所說的科技業很恐慌,其實不只科技業很恐慌,各行各業都很恐慌,他們隨時都有可能會被調來立法院。而這樣的情況底下,我看過這個相關的過去的案例,\n如果假設明天覆議失敗的話總統大約是什麼時候公佈呢?總統如果連署的話一般而言他會公佈在總統府的公報總統府的公報一般而言都是在每週三的時候公佈如果週三的時候公佈的話如果生效日的話應該在下週五就生效\n下周一旦生效的話,這部職權行使法生效日開始,就是目前國民黨或民眾黨說要趕快成立某某某某主題的一個調查委員會開始,簡單的講就是可以公設刑堂的開始。\n公設刑法開始當他擁有這個法律的時候你知道目前的一些資本市場的精精病也好或者市場派跟公司派也好的爭奪隨時立法院都有可能介入的可能所以我想請教一下院長面對人民的恐慌那你提出覆議案\n當然如果在覆議案沒有辦法順利成立的話那\n法律生效前提出釋憲還是法律生效後提出釋憲?\n生效後請出現週五以後你會有一個禮拜的時間那這樣子的話你一旦生效後我覺得就是發現有一個很可能會有一個空窗期啊院長也就是說你如果釋憲之後在釋憲結果出來之前這就是一個空窗期為什麼應該你也會同時去進行憲法法庭的暫時處分的一個申請嘛對不對\n如果暫時處分的這個申請的話法官他到他的這個憲法法庭的話他會有一個審查要件是否有成立然後再進入實質的審查嘛所以一旦下個禮拜五生效的話到整個暫時處分的裁定出來之前就是一個很長的空窗期無法預期的空窗期對不對那這段時間的空窗期我不曉得那個院長有沒有什麼因應的方式\n行政兩院以及社會都在看我們對憲法的認知跟憲法的遵守不應該在這個時候做出太多目前大家在爭議事項的行為否則會引起更大的憲政的紛爭甚至引起人民更大的反感我覺得我們都應該有這樣的共識\n院長我聽得出來你的決心但是本席還是要適時的提醒你有兩個空窗期一個空窗期呢就是生效之後在整個憲法法庭裁定之前我假設他裁定是會凍結啦假設是這樣最好的方式但是還有一個是六個月的時效之後憲法那個釋之案還沒有出來之後這是第二個空窗期你總共有兩個空窗期\n我們面對這兩個空窗期的情況底下我看到在野黨有做出一些討論他說如果要行使調查權的話一來立法院要設立所謂的調查官調查官這牽扯到所謂的修改組織法的問題二來他會跟行政院借調人員來支援如果國民黨民眾黨要跟你借調刑事局調查局檢察官那您同不同意\n我們會以行政工作主要的人力規劃跟所有政策推動為主所以你這個理由是說你行政業務過於繁忙所以不予同意的意思囉\n我會以這樣的思考為優先我其實我跟您提一個案例319這一個徵調會條例當中的第十一條徵調會可以向行政院借調人員而行政院機關不能拒絕可是這個條款在四字號633的時候已經宣告違憲\n這基本上也是違反權力分立跟制衡的原則啦。如果是這樣子的話,院長你大可說你有權依照這個四字號第633號的部分,可以決定要不要藉人啊?就可以拒絕啊。\n委員提醒讓我們更覺得行政工作還是以行政工作為主我們只要把自己的工作做好行政工作當然是最重要關鍵可是在這時候你要凸顯這部法令的荒謬性你看到底立法院大還是行政院大最近大家都比大的另外對人民最關心的不是比大小\n最重要人民關心的部分如果他被調到的話他收到這個罰單一來他沒有行政救濟的管道立法院本身沒有行政救濟的管道而且他也沒有執行的單位的你現在處罰人民十萬元他沒有繳交文件十萬元難道是傅坤祺要去要嗎還是韓國瑜要去討我相信不會輪到江啟臣副院長吧\n就是說誰去追討這個罰款那如果不服的話唯一救濟的管道就是司法救濟的管道司法救濟的管道他還要去哪裡不論你是被你這個被處罰的對象如果是在台北、高雄、花蓮、澎湖、金門你都得跑到台北來打官司因為立法院所在地行政法院來這邊提出耶你想這個立法院一般的民眾會接受嗎\n更何況剛剛大家一直討論的一個部分我看到有好幾個在野的這個立法院提到說聽證會聽證權的部分是因為美國沒有執行權才會搞一個聽證權的嘛對不對院長就很理解是不是這樣子其實執行權如果要比大小執行權會比聽證權還小嗎\n最高法院提出一個抵抗權的做法,抵抗權的部分基本上是要恢復民主憲政、憲法負以正當性和合法性。\n接下來的國眾兩黨一定會不斷地騷擾我覺得 院長你身為行政權的一個代表我認為你基本上內心的生態不只是要實現你要成為抵抗權的一個代表有沒有可能 院長\n我首先是實踐憲法上賦予我的權利再來我要盡到我的政治責任憲法上的權利是捍衛憲政秩序政治責任是捍衛人民的基本權利你只要做對的方向踩住這個民主體制維護民主體制的基本立場的話全民都會支持你立法院民進黨黨團會支持你科總會提出事件跟你們站在同一陣線謝謝院長\n謝謝郭委員、謝謝委員長。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:18.624 --> 00:44.355\n主席,有請卓院長。請卓院長備詢。公務員好。院長好,院長辛苦。我想院長這次行政院提出的這個覆議案,本席有大概歸類幾個原則,一個民主原則、權力分立原則、法律明確性的原則、比例原則、正當法律程序等等。\n\n00:45.287 --> 01:13.971\n那其實很巧的齁其實在本院齁其實在整個司法委員會當中呢周恩來秘書長的這個報告內容當中也特別強調齁如果要針對這個被提名人陳述不實或者是要藐視國會規定處理或移送其他的行政法院調查的話方式不一但是要符合法律明確性正當法律程序原則比例原則這見解跟你都一樣\n\n01:15.530 --> 01:21.484\n行政院都相同那這樣的情況底下我們還是很遺憾的通過這樣的一步\n\n01:22.367 --> 01:48.440\n這一個違憲亂政的一個立法院職權行使法可是這部法通過之後呢老實說啊到底啊這些難以盡忠的周萬蘭秘書長所做的提示啊他們會不會聽得下去這幾天我聽他們的質詢內容還有私底下請教他們啊老實講我對於這一個週五的這個覆議案的表決老實說我是悲觀的\n\n01:49.653 --> 01:54.257\n因為私底下我問他們的時候他們說他們如果贊成的話形同於政治自殺\n\n01:55.905 --> 02:19.514\n所以我覺得院長你可能要有心理準備即便是周恩來這麼說即便有百名的法律學者這樣連署但是我覺得藍營或者是民眾黨的這群朋友還是執迷不悟啦那執迷不悟的情況底下我覺得我們面對可能最壞的打算就是後面的這個救濟程序要怎麼進行\n\n02:20.692 --> 02:40.495\n就於程序進行裡頭,就是人民除了憤怒之外,就如同昨天郭智慧部長所說的科技業很恐慌,其實不只科技業很恐慌,各行各業都很恐慌,他們隨時都有可能會被調來立法院。而這樣的情況底下,我看過這個相關的過去的案例,\n\n02:41.616 --> 03:06.106\n如果假設明天覆議失敗的話總統大約是什麼時候公佈呢?總統如果連署的話一般而言他會公佈在總統府的公報總統府的公報一般而言都是在每週三的時候公佈如果週三的時候公佈的話如果生效日的話應該在下週五就生效\n\n03:07.213 --> 03:22.561\n下周一旦生效的話,這部職權行使法生效日開始,就是目前國民黨或民眾黨說要趕快成立某某某某主題的一個調查委員會開始,簡單的講就是可以公設刑堂的開始。\n\n03:23.533 --> 03:44.382\n公設刑法開始當他擁有這個法律的時候你知道目前的一些資本市場的精精病也好或者市場派跟公司派也好的爭奪隨時立法院都有可能介入的可能所以我想請教一下院長面對人民的恐慌那你提出覆議案\n\n03:45.282 --> 03:47.244\n當然如果在覆議案沒有辦法順利成立的話那\n\n04:14.735 --> 04:16.336\n法律生效前提出釋憲還是法律生效後提出釋憲?\n\n04:34.366 --> 04:56.420\n生效後請出現週五以後你會有一個禮拜的時間那這樣子的話你一旦生效後我覺得就是發現有一個很可能會有一個空窗期啊院長也就是說你如果釋憲之後在釋憲結果出來之前這就是一個空窗期為什麼應該你也會同時去進行憲法法庭的暫時處分的一個申請嘛對不對\n\n04:57.961 --> 05:24.879\n如果暫時處分的這個申請的話法官他到他的這個憲法法庭的話他會有一個審查要件是否有成立然後再進入實質的審查嘛所以一旦下個禮拜五生效的話到整個暫時處分的裁定出來之前就是一個很長的空窗期無法預期的空窗期對不對那這段時間的空窗期我不曉得那個院長有沒有什麼因應的方式\n\n05:28.069 --> 05:48.004\n行政兩院以及社會都在看我們對憲法的認知跟憲法的遵守不應該在這個時候做出太多目前大家在爭議事項的行為否則會引起更大的憲政的紛爭甚至引起人民更大的反感我覺得我們都應該有這樣的共識\n\n05:49.165 --> 06:11.160\n院長我聽得出來你的決心但是本席還是要適時的提醒你有兩個空窗期一個空窗期呢就是生效之後在整個憲法法庭裁定之前我假設他裁定是會凍結啦假設是這樣最好的方式但是還有一個是六個月的時效之後憲法那個釋之案還沒有出來之後這是第二個空窗期你總共有兩個空窗期\n\n06:12.116 --> 06:39.567\n我們面對這兩個空窗期的情況底下我看到在野黨有做出一些討論他說如果要行使調查權的話一來立法院要設立所謂的調查官調查官這牽扯到所謂的修改組織法的問題二來他會跟行政院借調人員來支援如果國民黨民眾黨要跟你借調刑事局調查局檢察官那您同不同意\n\n06:41.121 --> 06:53.693\n我們會以行政工作主要的人力規劃跟所有政策推動為主所以你這個理由是說你行政業務過於繁忙所以不予同意的意思囉\n\n06:55.182 --> 07:16.884\n我會以這樣的思考為優先我其實我跟您提一個案例319這一個徵調會條例當中的第十一條徵調會可以向行政院借調人員而行政院機關不能拒絕可是這個條款在四字號633的時候已經宣告違憲\n\n07:22.613 --> 07:38.240\n這基本上也是違反權力分立跟制衡的原則啦。如果是這樣子的話,院長你大可說你有權依照這個四字號第633號的部分,可以決定要不要藉人啊?就可以拒絕啊。\n\n07:43.543 --> 08:07.352\n委員提醒讓我們更覺得行政工作還是以行政工作為主我們只要把自己的工作做好行政工作當然是最重要關鍵可是在這時候你要凸顯這部法令的荒謬性你看到底立法院大還是行政院大最近大家都比大的另外對人民最關心的不是比大小\n\n08:08.174 --> 08:31.236\n最重要人民關心的部分如果他被調到的話他收到這個罰單一來他沒有行政救濟的管道立法院本身沒有行政救濟的管道而且他也沒有執行的單位的你現在處罰人民十萬元他沒有繳交文件十萬元難道是傅坤祺要去要嗎還是韓國瑜要去討我相信不會輪到江啟臣副院長吧\n\n08:33.257 --> 08:55.544\n就是說誰去追討這個罰款那如果不服的話唯一救濟的管道就是司法救濟的管道司法救濟的管道他還要去哪裡不論你是被你這個被處罰的對象如果是在台北、高雄、花蓮、澎湖、金門你都得跑到台北來打官司因為立法院所在地行政法院來這邊提出耶你想這個立法院一般的民眾會接受嗎\n\n08:57.315 --> 09:19.833\n更何況剛剛大家一直討論的一個部分我看到有好幾個在野的這個立法院提到說聽證會聽證權的部分是因為美國沒有執行權才會搞一個聽證權的嘛對不對院長就很理解是不是這樣子其實執行權如果要比大小執行權會比聽證權還小嗎\n\n09:22.955 --> 09:25.917\n最高法院提出一個抵抗權的做法,抵抗權的部分基本上是要恢復民主憲政、憲法負以正當性和合法性。\n\n09:53.956 --> 10:11.759\n接下來的國眾兩黨一定會不斷地騷擾我覺得院長你身為行政權的一個代表我認為你基本上內心的生態不只是要實現你要成為抵抗權的一個代表有沒有可能院長\n\n10:13.558 --> 10:38.371\n我首先是實踐憲法上賦予我的權利再來我要盡到我的政治責任憲法上的權利是捍衛憲政秩序政治責任是捍衛人民的基本權利你只要做對的方向踩住這個民主體制維護民主體制的基本立場的話全民都會支持你立法院民進黨黨團會支持你科總會提出事件跟你們站在同一陣線謝謝院長\n\n10:42.252 --> 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