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00:03:57,268\n這表示人民認為說這個不是國會改革法案嘛是國會擴權法案嘛我們看一下那個藍白綠的這個支持度的校長你就知道啦民眾黨跟國民黨加起來的政黨支持度甚至比民進黨還低啦那所以這個院長請教一下這個以國會改革為名實際上是名為是國會擴權法案啦院長怎麼看\n\n10\n00:03:58,479 --> 00:04:14,749\n所以一般的人民會對這個法案所產生的後遺症相當的不安所以才有那麼多的朋友這一段時間一直踴躍的站出來但我們希望我們在國會裡面的努力能夠讓這些站出來的聲音得到紓解這個法案能夠有機會重新審視\n\n11\n00:04:16,958 --> 00:04:38,340\n這個院長昨天在臉書上有說,立法院為自己創設權利是侵犯到行政權、司法權、監察權,這也侵犯到國人的基本權利,這就是亂政。那本席認為呢,這個擴權法案呢,不僅亂政,還有毀憲。先請教一下院長,這次立法院所通過的這個國會擴權法案呢,你認為它是在修法還是在修憲?\n\n12\n00:04:39,855 --> 00:05:06,541\n這次修立法院裡面的職權行使法修憲的話有另外修憲的程序對,我就是認為說齁他們認為修憲的這個門檻太高所以沒辦法修憲但是藉著修法來達到要修憲的目的目前我們中華民國的憲法還是五權憲法嘛那但是呢這次修法修成立法院獨大親愛的到行政院、司法院、監察院的權力\n\n13\n00:05:07,401 --> 00:05:28,893\n然後呢侵犯到執行權、調查權、聽證權的行使這些都違反到這個憲法權利分立的一個原則了就這幾項這個調查權、聽證權還有執行權為什麼我說他是假借修法實際上是想要達到這個修憲的目的啦我先請問一下院長立法委員有沒有執行總統的這個憲法權利\n\n14\n00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:38,885\n應該沒有質詢的權利總統依法依憲法的規定得到立法院在集會的時候進行國情報告但並沒有所謂質詢\n\n15\n00:05:40,149 --> 00:05:41,329\n我無法替總統回答但是我個人認為\n\n16\n00:06:10,029 --> 00:06:25,645\n如果在提出釋憲之後整個社會的焦點注意力會在釋憲上面希望釋憲的結果憲法法庭給這個憲法的秩序做一個安定的決定在此之前如果有不宜的行為太多引起人民的反感會更大\n\n17\n00:06:26,442 --> 00:06:54,952\n我是建議啦我是單單最後總統決定啦在事件結果出來之前總統是不移到立法院來啦因為這個是會破壞憲法上對於這一個總統的這一個權利的一些規定也破壞了這個五權分立的一個相關的規定再請教一下院長這個修法之後呢是不是任何人都有可能被叫到立法院來做調查或是提供文件然後人民能不能拒絕到場拒絕證言或是交付文件有沒有辦法拒絕\n\n18\n00:06:56,001 --> 00:07:21,026\n照目前新修正條文的內容來看是有這樣的疑慮的他必須要提供文件要來做詢問等等進行調查調閱以及聽證一般的人民都有可能受到這樣的立法院的要求所有的人民都有可能來嘛所有可能都會被調來所以我剛剛看到很多國民黨的立委說沒有啦這個有什麼重大社會關係的人才會來什麼叫重大社會關係\n\n19\n00:07:22,295 --> 00:07:46,604\n他認定你有重大社會關係,你就是有重大社會關係。胡坤崎昨天怎麼講?他說來立法院聽證的民眾,都是涉及跟政府相關有勾結,他已有新政了。他認為叫你來你就是有問題。黃國昌怎麼講?台灣社會無需恐慌啦!這個99.9%的人都不會受到影響啦!那問題是,誰是那0.1%的人?誰是那兩萬三千?兩萬三千的人,2.3萬的人之一嘛,對不對?\n\n20\n00:07:51,926 --> 00:08:14,661\n任何人都有可能會被叫過來所以呢這樣子的修法會不會變成政治上打擊一級的工具啊而且很主觀的認定是所謂跟政府相關有勾結的人這個罪名嚇得太大了對啊這就是國民黨和民眾黨他只要認為說你有關係就可以叫你過來而且呢叫你過來不過來要罰錢得廉賜罰對不對\n\n21\n00:08:19,182 --> 00:08:42,540\n再請教一下院長,修法之後,立法院可以向司法機關、檢察機關提供調查中的資料或副本,這樣有沒有違法或違憲?調查中的這個案件,它的相關的證件也許都在司法機關了。如果能夠提供副本的話,那嚴重侵犯司法機關的權限,就權力分立原則來講,就憲政秩序這個設計來講,是絕對不宜的。\n\n22\n00:08:46,150 --> 00:09:07,815\n這個44729號有講這個基於權力分立還有制衡的原則保障檢查機關獨立行使職權然後立法院不得調閱相關的證券那對於這個調閱相關的這個文件或是與文件內容相同之影本要經立法院院會的決議而且這調閱必須跟憲法上賦予這個立法委員職權\n\n23\n00:09:09,735 --> 00:09:37,839\n職權上有重大關聯者,使得為之。不是隨便都可以調要跟我們行使這個憲法上面有重大權力關聯者才可以嘛所以說這次修法呢這個司法機關跟檢察機關要資料然後呢這個也不用跟這個立法院行使權力有重大關聯也不用經過立法院院會的決議本席認為這跟釋字的第729號的這個相關的解釋精神已經不符了\n\n24\n00:09:38,680 --> 00:10:04,328\n而且跟國家機關獨立行使的職權受到憲法保障的還有非立法院所得調查的事務這是很明確在四字五八五語話裡面很清楚的對行政首長以及行政權固有的權能對於可能影響干預行政權部門有運作之餘的都不能當作被調查的事務但是現在這個酷選法案那個通過之後他其實都可以調他其實都可以調\n\n25\n00:10:05,647 --> 00:10:30,567\n在請教院長在2004年9月這個立法院那時候有公布一個政調會的一個條例就是要在國會裡創設一個準司法權就是在野黨以監督治衡為名行國會擴權之時所以才會有後來的44585號解釋所以其中有違權利分立跟治衡原則涉及人民基本權利有違正當法律程序這些條文都被宣布為違憲了所以\n\n26\n00:10:32,549 --> 00:10:56,150\n在國民黨的黨鞭、傅文綺說要成立國會特政組、翁曉琳說要成立立法院調查官,都是把這個立法委員當作檢察官、當作法官。立法院一拳不打,那所以呢,最後585號大家都已經講過了,那本來就要分決你這個最後585號解釋啦,作為一個最後的結語啦,我先簡單念一下啦。\n\n27\n00:10:56,890 --> 00:11:19,642\n國家監管行使權利要受到法的節制,立法院行使憲法所賦予的權利也沒有例外,只是法治原則的基本要求。立法院調查權的行使跟調查設項跟強制發生不同,可能涉及限制多種憲法保障人民的基本權利。所以,立法院行使調查權涉及憲法所保障人民的基本權利,不僅要法律的依據,\n\n28\n00:11:20,442 --> 00:11:36,616\n該法律的內容也必須明確,符合比例原則與正當法律程序。但是我現在看來,現在所公布的這個候選法案,完全沒有按照上面585號解釋的精神。好,謝謝李委員,我們時間到,來謝謝左院長下一位我們請李彥秀委員質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n16530\t20672\t好謝謝主席我們請卓院長請卓院長備詢議員好院長好現在場外還有這個青鳥運動的朋友們但是因為青鳥飛不進來立法院所以我們要在立法院裡面為他們來發聲然後請教一下院長因為我昨天有聽到這個你有跟許多的這個委員有對話請教一下院長\n46181\t69414\t什麼是藐視國會?那什麼是反質詢?國民黨說在修法通過之後會告訴人民但是到目前為止我們真的都不知道什麼是反質詢什麼是藐視國會不過國民黨的總召傅坤琦過去在當花蓮縣縣長的時候示範了相當精彩的這個藐視議會先請院長看一下影片\n73140\t79964\t議會被尋時跟議員針鋒相對這是國民黨團總召傅坤崎擔任花蓮縣長時的影片近來藍白聯手三讀通過藐視國會罪不得反質詢但檢視傅坤崎在當花蓮縣長期間卻常常給議員吃牌頭議員追問2018年花蓮地震善款流向傅坤崎不只搶話還以上對下教訓人請你主持一下好不好\n101738\t103620\t另外這一次,雖然收起炮火,但不管議員怎麼問,不回答就是不回答。\n133439\t133519\t請教一下院長\n155790\t166169\t這個你剛才看到這個傅坤祺還是當花蓮縣長這個對議會的這個態度不是呢不回答那不然就是議員還在問的時候就轉頭就走你認為這樣有沒有表示議會不應該學習\n169407\t184464\t這是示範的一個錯誤的一個示範的一個對象那其實到現在為止我們也不知道什麼叫做藐視議會啊藐視國會或是什麼叫反執行但是我認為至少富坤姐在當花蓮縣長的時候是相當不尊重議會啦\n186548\t211095\t本席認為,國會改革不是國會擴權,更不是國會自肥。國民黨跟民眾黨聯手修了《立法院職權行使法》,我認為這是一個擴權法案。如果真的受到人民的支持的話,國民黨跟民眾黨的支持度應該會升高,但是現在這個是不升反降,甚至加起來比民進黨的支持度還低。\n211955\t237268\t這表示人民認為說這個不是國會改革法案嘛是國會擴權法案嘛我們看一下那個藍白綠的這個支持度的校長你就知道啦民眾黨跟國民黨加起來的政黨支持度甚至比民進黨還低啦那所以這個院長請教一下這個以國會改革為名實際上是名為是國會擴權法案啦院長怎麼看\n238479\t254749\t所以一般的人民會對這個法案所產生的後遺症相當的不安所以才有那麼多的朋友這一段時間一直踴躍的站出來但我們希望我們在國會裡面的努力能夠讓這些站出來的聲音得到紓解這個法案能夠有機會重新審視\n256958\t278340\t這個院長昨天在臉書上有說,立法院為自己創設權利是侵犯到行政權、司法權、監察權,這也侵犯到國人的基本權利,這就是亂政。那本席認為呢,這個擴權法案呢,不僅亂政,還有毀憲。先請教一下院長,這次立法院所通過的這個國會擴權法案呢,你認為它是在修法還是在修憲?\n279855\t306541\t這次修立法院裡面的職權行使法修憲的話有另外修憲的程序對,我就是認為說齁他們認為修憲的這個門檻太高所以沒辦法修憲但是藉著修法來達到要修憲的目的目前我們中華民國的憲法還是五權憲法嘛那但是呢這次修法修成立法院獨大親愛的到行政院、司法院、監察院的權力\n307401\t328893\t然後呢侵犯到執行權、調查權、聽證權的行使這些都違反到這個憲法權利分立的一個原則了就這幾項這個調查權、聽證權還有執行權為什麼我說他是假借修法實際上是想要達到這個修憲的目的啦我先請問一下院長立法委員有沒有執行總統的這個憲法權利\n331400\t338885\t應該沒有質詢的權利總統依法依憲法的規定得到立法院在集會的時候進行國情報告但並沒有所謂質詢\n340149\t341329\t我無法替總統回答但是我個人認為\n370029\t385645\t如果在提出釋憲之後整個社會的焦點注意力會在釋憲上面希望釋憲的結果憲法法庭給這個憲法的秩序做一個安定的決定在此之前如果有不宜的行為太多引起人民的反感會更大\n386442\t414952\t我是建議啦我是單單最後總統決定啦在事件結果出來之前總統是不移到立法院來啦因為這個是會破壞憲法上對於這一個總統的這一個權利的一些規定也破壞了這個五權分立的一個相關的規定再請教一下院長這個修法之後呢是不是任何人都有可能被叫到立法院來做調查或是提供文件然後人民能不能拒絕到場拒絕證言或是交付文件有沒有辦法拒絕\n416001\t441026\t照目前新修正條文的內容來看是有這樣的疑慮的他必須要提供文件要來做詢問等等進行調查調閱以及聽證一般的人民都有可能受到這樣的立法院的要求所有的人民都有可能來嘛所有可能都會被調來所以我剛剛看到很多國民黨的立委說沒有啦這個有什麼重大社會關係的人才會來什麼叫重大社會關係\n442295\t466604\t他認定你有重大社會關係,你就是有重大社會關係。胡坤崎昨天怎麼講?他說來立法院聽證的民眾,都是涉及跟政府相關有勾結,他已有新政了。他認為叫你來你就是有問題。黃國昌怎麼講?台灣社會無需恐慌啦!這個99.9%的人都不會受到影響啦!那問題是,誰是那0.1%的人?誰是那兩萬三千?兩萬三千的人,2.3萬的人之一嘛,對不對?\n471926\t494661\t任何人都有可能會被叫過來所以呢這樣子的修法會不會變成政治上打擊一級的工具啊而且很主觀的認定是所謂跟政府相關有勾結的人這個罪名嚇得太大了對啊這就是國民黨和民眾黨他只要認為說你有關係就可以叫你過來而且呢叫你過來不過來要罰錢得廉賜罰對不對\n499182\t522540\t再請教一下院長,修法之後,立法院可以向司法機關、檢察機關提供調查中的資料或副本,這樣有沒有違法或違憲?調查中的這個案件,它的相關的證件也許都在司法機關了。如果能夠提供副本的話,那嚴重侵犯司法機關的權限,就權力分立原則來講,就憲政秩序這個設計來講,是絕對不宜的。\n526150\t547815\t這個44729號有講這個基於權力分立還有制衡的原則保障檢查機關獨立行使職權然後立法院不得調閱相關的證券那對於這個調閱相關的這個文件或是與文件內容相同之影本要經立法院院會的決議而且這調閱必須跟憲法上賦予這個立法委員職權\n549735\t577839\t職權上有重大關聯者,使得為之。不是隨便都可以調要跟我們行使這個憲法上面有重大權力關聯者才可以嘛所以說這次修法呢這個司法機關跟檢察機關要資料然後呢這個也不用跟這個立法院行使權力有重大關聯也不用經過立法院院會的決議本席認為這跟釋字的第729號的這個相關的解釋精神已經不符了\n578680\t604328\t而且跟國家機關獨立行使的職權受到憲法保障的還有非立法院所得調查的事務這是很明確在四字五八五語話裡面很清楚的對行政首長以及行政權固有的權能對於可能影響干預行政權部門有運作之餘的都不能當作被調查的事務但是現在這個酷選法案那個通過之後他其實都可以調他其實都可以調\n605647\t630567\t在請教院長在2004年9月這個立法院那時候有公布一個政調會的一個條例就是要在國會裡創設一個準司法權就是在野黨以監督治衡為名行國會擴權之時所以才會有後來的44585號解釋所以其中有違權利分立跟治衡原則涉及人民基本權利有違正當法律程序這些條文都被宣布為違憲了所以\n632549\t656150\t在國民黨的黨鞭、傅文綺說要成立國會特政組、翁曉琳說要成立立法院調查官,都是把這個立法委員當作檢察官、當作法官。立法院一拳不打,那所以呢,最後585號大家都已經講過了,那本來就要分決你這個最後585號解釋啦,作為一個最後的結語啦,我先簡單念一下啦。\n656890\t679642\t國家監管行使權利要受到法的節制,立法院行使憲法所賦予的權利也沒有例外,只是法治原則的基本要求。立法院調查權的行使跟調查設項跟強制發生不同,可能涉及限制多種憲法保障人民的基本權利。所以,立法院行使調查權涉及憲法所保障人民的基本權利,不僅要法律的依據,\n680442\t696616\t該法律的內容也必須明確,符合比例原則與正當法律程序。但是我現在看來,現在所公布的這個候選法案,完全沒有按照上面585號解釋的精神。好,謝謝李委員,我們時間到,來謝謝左院長下一位我們請李彥秀委員質詢\n","txt":"好謝謝主席我們請卓院長請卓院長備詢議員好院長好現在場外還有這個青鳥運動的朋友們但是因為青鳥飛不進來立法院所以我們要在立法院裡面為他們來發聲然後請教一下院長因為我昨天有聽到這個你有跟許多的這個委員有對話請教一下院長\n什麼是藐視國會?那什麼是反質詢?國民黨說在修法通過之後會告訴人民但是到目前為止我們真的都不知道什麼是反質詢什麼是藐視國會不過國民黨的總召傅坤琦過去在當花蓮縣縣長的時候示範了相當精彩的這個藐視議會先請院長看一下影片\n議會被尋時跟議員針鋒相對這是國民黨團總召傅坤崎擔任花蓮縣長時的影片近來藍白聯手三讀通過藐視國會罪不得反質詢但檢視傅坤崎在當花蓮縣長期間卻常常給議員吃牌頭議員追問2018年花蓮地震善款流向傅坤崎不只搶話還以上對下教訓人請你主持一下好不好\n另外這一次,雖然收起炮火,但不管議員怎麼問,不回答就是不回答。\n請教一下院長\n這個你剛才看到這個傅坤祺還是當花蓮縣長這個對議會的這個態度不是呢不回答那不然就是議員還在問的時候就轉頭就走你認為這樣有沒有表示議會不應該學習\n這是示範的一個錯誤的一個示範的一個對象那其實到現在為止我們也不知道什麼叫做藐視議會啊藐視國會或是什麼叫反執行但是我認為至少富坤姐在當花蓮縣長的時候是相當不尊重議會啦\n本席認為,國會改革不是國會擴權,更不是國會自肥。國民黨跟民眾黨聯手修了《立法院職權行使法》,我認為這是一個擴權法案。如果真的受到人民的支持的話,國民黨跟民眾黨的支持度應該會升高,但是現在這個是不升反降,甚至加起來比民進黨的支持度還低。\n這表示人民認為說這個不是國會改革法案嘛是國會擴權法案嘛我們看一下那個藍白綠的這個支持度的校長你就知道啦民眾黨跟國民黨加起來的政黨支持度甚至比民進黨還低啦那所以這個院長請教一下這個以國會改革為名實際上是名為是國會擴權法案啦院長怎麼看\n所以一般的人民會對這個法案所產生的後遺症相當的不安所以才有那麼多的朋友這一段時間一直踴躍的站出來但我們希望我們在國會裡面的努力能夠讓這些站出來的聲音得到紓解這個法案能夠有機會重新審視\n這個院長昨天在臉書上有說,立法院為自己創設權利是侵犯到行政權、司法權、監察權,這也侵犯到國人的基本權利,這就是亂政。那本席認為呢,這個擴權法案呢,不僅亂政,還有毀憲。先請教一下院長,這次立法院所通過的這個國會擴權法案呢,你認為它是在修法還是在修憲?\n這次修立法院裡面的職權行使法修憲的話有另外修憲的程序對,我就是認為說齁他們認為修憲的這個門檻太高所以沒辦法修憲但是藉著修法來達到要修憲的目的目前我們中華民國的憲法還是五權憲法嘛那但是呢這次修法修成立法院獨大親愛的到行政院、司法院、監察院的權力\n然後呢侵犯到執行權、調查權、聽證權的行使這些都違反到這個憲法權利分立的一個原則了就這幾項這個調查權、聽證權還有執行權為什麼我說他是假借修法實際上是想要達到這個修憲的目的啦我先請問一下院長立法委員有沒有執行總統的這個憲法權利\n應該沒有質詢的權利總統依法依憲法的規定得到立法院在集會的時候進行國情報告但並沒有所謂質詢\n我無法替總統回答但是我個人認為\n如果在提出釋憲之後整個社會的焦點注意力會在釋憲上面希望釋憲的結果憲法法庭給這個憲法的秩序做一個安定的決定在此之前如果有不宜的行為太多引起人民的反感會更大\n我是建議啦我是單單最後總統決定啦在事件結果出來之前總統是不移到立法院來啦因為這個是會破壞憲法上對於這一個總統的這一個權利的一些規定也破壞了這個五權分立的一個相關的規定再請教一下院長這個修法之後呢是不是任何人都有可能被叫到立法院來做調查或是提供文件然後人民能不能拒絕到場拒絕證言或是交付文件有沒有辦法拒絕\n照目前新修正條文的內容來看是有這樣的疑慮的他必須要提供文件要來做詢問等等進行調查調閱以及聽證一般的人民都有可能受到這樣的立法院的要求所有的人民都有可能來嘛所有可能都會被調來所以我剛剛看到很多國民黨的立委說沒有啦這個有什麼重大社會關係的人才會來什麼叫重大社會關係\n他認定你有重大社會關係,你就是有重大社會關係。胡坤崎昨天怎麼講?他說來立法院聽證的民眾,都是涉及跟政府相關有勾結,他已有新政了。他認為叫你來你就是有問題。黃國昌怎麼講?台灣社會無需恐慌啦!這個99.9%的人都不會受到影響啦!那問題是,誰是那0.1%的人?誰是那兩萬三千?兩萬三千的人,2.3萬的人之一嘛,對不對?\n任何人都有可能會被叫過來所以呢這樣子的修法會不會變成政治上打擊一級的工具啊而且很主觀的認定是所謂跟政府相關有勾結的人這個罪名嚇得太大了對啊這就是國民黨和民眾黨他只要認為說你有關係就可以叫你過來而且呢叫你過來不過來要罰錢得廉賜罰對不對\n再請教一下院長,修法之後,立法院可以向司法機關、檢察機關提供調查中的資料或副本,這樣有沒有違法或違憲?調查中的這個案件,它的相關的證件也許都在司法機關了。如果能夠提供副本的話,那嚴重侵犯司法機關的權限,就權力分立原則來講,就憲政秩序這個設計來講,是絕對不宜的。\n這個44729號有講這個基於權力分立還有制衡的原則保障檢查機關獨立行使職權然後立法院不得調閱相關的證券那對於這個調閱相關的這個文件或是與文件內容相同之影本要經立法院院會的決議而且這調閱必須跟憲法上賦予這個立法委員職權\n職權上有重大關聯者,使得為之。不是隨便都可以調要跟我們行使這個憲法上面有重大權力關聯者才可以嘛所以說這次修法呢這個司法機關跟檢察機關要資料然後呢這個也不用跟這個立法院行使權力有重大關聯也不用經過立法院院會的決議本席認為這跟釋字的第729號的這個相關的解釋精神已經不符了\n而且跟國家機關獨立行使的職權受到憲法保障的還有非立法院所得調查的事務這是很明確在四字五八五語話裡面很清楚的對行政首長以及行政權固有的權能對於可能影響干預行政權部門有運作之餘的都不能當作被調查的事務但是現在這個酷選法案那個通過之後他其實都可以調他其實都可以調\n在請教院長在2004年9月這個立法院那時候有公布一個政調會的一個條例就是要在國會裡創設一個準司法權就是在野黨以監督治衡為名行國會擴權之時所以才會有後來的44585號解釋所以其中有違權利分立跟治衡原則涉及人民基本權利有違正當法律程序這些條文都被宣布為違憲了所以\n在國民黨的黨鞭、傅文綺說要成立國會特政組、翁曉琳說要成立立法院調查官,都是把這個立法委員當作檢察官、當作法官。立法院一拳不打,那所以呢,最後585號大家都已經講過了,那本來就要分決你這個最後585號解釋啦,作為一個最後的結語啦,我先簡單念一下啦。\n國家監管行使權利要受到法的節制,立法院行使憲法所賦予的權利也沒有例外,只是法治原則的基本要求。立法院調查權的行使跟調查設項跟強制發生不同,可能涉及限制多種憲法保障人民的基本權利。所以,立法院行使調查權涉及憲法所保障人民的基本權利,不僅要法律的依據,\n該法律的內容也必須明確,符合比例原則與正當法律程序。但是我現在看來,現在所公布的這個候選法案,完全沒有按照上面585號解釋的精神。好,謝謝李委員,我們時間到,來謝謝左院長下一位我們請李彥秀委員質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:16.530 --> 00:20.672\n好謝謝主席我們請卓院長請卓院長備詢議員好院長好現在場外還有這個青鳥運動的朋友們但是因為青鳥飛不進來立法院所以我們要在立法院裡面為他們來發聲然後請教一下院長因為我昨天有聽到這個你有跟許多的這個委員有對話請教一下院長\n\n00:46.181 --> 01:09.414\n什麼是藐視國會?那什麼是反質詢?國民黨說在修法通過之後會告訴人民但是到目前為止我們真的都不知道什麼是反質詢什麼是藐視國會不過國民黨的總召傅坤琦過去在當花蓮縣縣長的時候示範了相當精彩的這個藐視議會先請院長看一下影片\n\n01:13.140 --> 01:19.964\n議會被尋時跟議員針鋒相對這是國民黨團總召傅坤崎擔任花蓮縣長時的影片近來藍白聯手三讀通過藐視國會罪不得反質詢但檢視傅坤崎在當花蓮縣長期間卻常常給議員吃牌頭議員追問2018年花蓮地震善款流向傅坤崎不只搶話還以上對下教訓人請你主持一下好不好\n\n01:41.738 --> 01:43.620\n另外這一次,雖然收起炮火,但不管議員怎麼問,不回答就是不回答。\n\n02:13.439 --> 02:13.519\n請教一下院長\n\n02:35.790 --> 02:46.169\n這個你剛才看到這個傅坤祺還是當花蓮縣長這個對議會的這個態度不是呢不回答那不然就是議員還在問的時候就轉頭就走你認為這樣有沒有表示議會不應該學習\n\n02:49.407 --> 03:04.464\n這是示範的一個錯誤的一個示範的一個對象那其實到現在為止我們也不知道什麼叫做藐視議會啊藐視國會或是什麼叫反執行但是我認為至少富坤姐在當花蓮縣長的時候是相當不尊重議會啦\n\n03:06.548 --> 03:31.095\n本席認為,國會改革不是國會擴權,更不是國會自肥。國民黨跟民眾黨聯手修了《立法院職權行使法》,我認為這是一個擴權法案。如果真的受到人民的支持的話,國民黨跟民眾黨的支持度應該會升高,但是現在這個是不升反降,甚至加起來比民進黨的支持度還低。\n\n03:31.955 --> 03:57.268\n這表示人民認為說這個不是國會改革法案嘛是國會擴權法案嘛我們看一下那個藍白綠的這個支持度的校長你就知道啦民眾黨跟國民黨加起來的政黨支持度甚至比民進黨還低啦那所以這個院長請教一下這個以國會改革為名實際上是名為是國會擴權法案啦院長怎麼看\n\n03:58.479 --> 04:14.749\n所以一般的人民會對這個法案所產生的後遺症相當的不安所以才有那麼多的朋友這一段時間一直踴躍的站出來但我們希望我們在國會裡面的努力能夠讓這些站出來的聲音得到紓解這個法案能夠有機會重新審視\n\n04:16.958 --> 04:38.340\n這個院長昨天在臉書上有說,立法院為自己創設權利是侵犯到行政權、司法權、監察權,這也侵犯到國人的基本權利,這就是亂政。那本席認為呢,這個擴權法案呢,不僅亂政,還有毀憲。先請教一下院長,這次立法院所通過的這個國會擴權法案呢,你認為它是在修法還是在修憲?\n\n04:39.855 --> 05:06.541\n這次修立法院裡面的職權行使法修憲的話有另外修憲的程序對,我就是認為說齁他們認為修憲的這個門檻太高所以沒辦法修憲但是藉著修法來達到要修憲的目的目前我們中華民國的憲法還是五權憲法嘛那但是呢這次修法修成立法院獨大親愛的到行政院、司法院、監察院的權力\n\n05:07.401 --> 05:28.893\n然後呢侵犯到執行權、調查權、聽證權的行使這些都違反到這個憲法權利分立的一個原則了就這幾項這個調查權、聽證權還有執行權為什麼我說他是假借修法實際上是想要達到這個修憲的目的啦我先請問一下院長立法委員有沒有執行總統的這個憲法權利\n\n05:31.400 --> 05:38.885\n應該沒有質詢的權利總統依法依憲法的規定得到立法院在集會的時候進行國情報告但並沒有所謂質詢\n\n05:40.149 --> 05:41.329\n我無法替總統回答但是我個人認為\n\n06:10.029 --> 06:25.645\n如果在提出釋憲之後整個社會的焦點注意力會在釋憲上面希望釋憲的結果憲法法庭給這個憲法的秩序做一個安定的決定在此之前如果有不宜的行為太多引起人民的反感會更大\n\n06:26.442 --> 06:54.952\n我是建議啦我是單單最後總統決定啦在事件結果出來之前總統是不移到立法院來啦因為這個是會破壞憲法上對於這一個總統的這一個權利的一些規定也破壞了這個五權分立的一個相關的規定再請教一下院長這個修法之後呢是不是任何人都有可能被叫到立法院來做調查或是提供文件然後人民能不能拒絕到場拒絕證言或是交付文件有沒有辦法拒絕\n\n06:56.001 --> 07:21.026\n照目前新修正條文的內容來看是有這樣的疑慮的他必須要提供文件要來做詢問等等進行調查調閱以及聽證一般的人民都有可能受到這樣的立法院的要求所有的人民都有可能來嘛所有可能都會被調來所以我剛剛看到很多國民黨的立委說沒有啦這個有什麼重大社會關係的人才會來什麼叫重大社會關係\n\n07:22.295 --> 07:46.604\n他認定你有重大社會關係,你就是有重大社會關係。胡坤崎昨天怎麼講?他說來立法院聽證的民眾,都是涉及跟政府相關有勾結,他已有新政了。他認為叫你來你就是有問題。黃國昌怎麼講?台灣社會無需恐慌啦!這個99.9%的人都不會受到影響啦!那問題是,誰是那0.1%的人?誰是那兩萬三千?兩萬三千的人,2.3萬的人之一嘛,對不對?\n\n07:51.926 --> 08:14.661\n任何人都有可能會被叫過來所以呢這樣子的修法會不會變成政治上打擊一級的工具啊而且很主觀的認定是所謂跟政府相關有勾結的人這個罪名嚇得太大了對啊這就是國民黨和民眾黨他只要認為說你有關係就可以叫你過來而且呢叫你過來不過來要罰錢得廉賜罰對不對\n\n08:19.182 --> 08:42.540\n再請教一下院長,修法之後,立法院可以向司法機關、檢察機關提供調查中的資料或副本,這樣有沒有違法或違憲?調查中的這個案件,它的相關的證件也許都在司法機關了。如果能夠提供副本的話,那嚴重侵犯司法機關的權限,就權力分立原則來講,就憲政秩序這個設計來講,是絕對不宜的。\n\n08:46.150 --> 09:07.815\n這個44729號有講這個基於權力分立還有制衡的原則保障檢查機關獨立行使職權然後立法院不得調閱相關的證券那對於這個調閱相關的這個文件或是與文件內容相同之影本要經立法院院會的決議而且這調閱必須跟憲法上賦予這個立法委員職權\n\n09:09.735 --> 09:37.839\n職權上有重大關聯者,使得為之。不是隨便都可以調要跟我們行使這個憲法上面有重大權力關聯者才可以嘛所以說這次修法呢這個司法機關跟檢察機關要資料然後呢這個也不用跟這個立法院行使權力有重大關聯也不用經過立法院院會的決議本席認為這跟釋字的第729號的這個相關的解釋精神已經不符了\n\n09:38.680 --> 10:04.328\n而且跟國家機關獨立行使的職權受到憲法保障的還有非立法院所得調查的事務這是很明確在四字五八五語話裡面很清楚的對行政首長以及行政權固有的權能對於可能影響干預行政權部門有運作之餘的都不能當作被調查的事務但是現在這個酷選法案那個通過之後他其實都可以調他其實都可以調\n\n10:05.647 --> 10:30.567\n在請教院長在2004年9月這個立法院那時候有公布一個政調會的一個條例就是要在國會裡創設一個準司法權就是在野黨以監督治衡為名行國會擴權之時所以才會有後來的44585號解釋所以其中有違權利分立跟治衡原則涉及人民基本權利有違正當法律程序這些條文都被宣布為違憲了所以\n\n10:32.549 --> 10:56.150\n在國民黨的黨鞭、傅文綺說要成立國會特政組、翁曉琳說要成立立法院調查官,都是把這個立法委員當作檢察官、當作法官。立法院一拳不打,那所以呢,最後585號大家都已經講過了,那本來就要分決你這個最後585號解釋啦,作為一個最後的結語啦,我先簡單念一下啦。\n\n10:56.890 --> 11:19.642\n國家監管行使權利要受到法的節制,立法院行使憲法所賦予的權利也沒有例外,只是法治原則的基本要求。立法院調查權的行使跟調查設項跟強制發生不同,可能涉及限制多種憲法保障人民的基本權利。所以,立法院行使調查權涉及憲法所保障人民的基本權利,不僅要法律的依據,\n\n11:20.442 --> 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