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00:03:10,261\n這個就是你們今天提出來的六大理由覆議的六大理由就是今天的民進黨打臉過去的民進黨歷史真的是一面照妖鏡院長把當時的公報條文包括逐字一個一個念出來你就可以看得清楚我到底在講什麼\n\n10\n00:03:11,802 --> 00:03:40,274\n這個也違反當時民進黨今天你們有提出來的話也是違反當時民進黨堅持民主的價值今天你們提出這個覆議案真的是民主的絆腳石特別是民進黨內部其實你們也有很多人希望看到國會改革好你們提到說這個國會改革有至愛難行的地方我就不知道行是哪裡難行特別是立法院在做這個調查權的行使的同時是要查弊案\n\n11\n00:03:40,874 --> 00:03:41,034\n再來一個\n\n12\n00:04:08,459 --> 00:04:37,064\n我必須要問一下院長我最後一個請教您剛才我聽到你回答其他委員說明天覆議案我不知道你是不是有信心你對我一直講有信心我不知道你到今天為止是不是還有信心你有信心明天會過你有信心明天會不會過因為你回答委員說其他委員說我當然我立場是非常清楚跟堅定我絕對不會是那個立場\n\n13\n00:04:40,050 --> 00:05:03,600\n我的立場是非常清楚我想院長非常清楚我也聽到你回答其他委員說後續的大法官的釋憲你們也會提出到底會不會提出暫時處分你剛才沒有回應那到底民進黨會不會提出暫時處分每一個動作背後都有它的政治意義但是相對的也會有政治的代價\n\n14\n00:05:04,824 --> 00:05:30,677\n院長,會不會提出大法官解釋之後,明天覆議結束之後,你們還有一個工具行政手段,就是釋憲。釋憲的同時,明天覆議吧,明天投票覆議,後面如果沒有過,後面民進黨還有一個手段,就是大法官的釋憲。釋憲的同時,剛才我聽到你回答其他的委員,民進黨委員提出暫時處分的部分,你們會不會提出來?\n\n15\n00:05:31,769 --> 00:05:46,516\n覆議之後有需要我們還有其他憲法上的救濟剛剛的暫時處分是委員提出的我說我們還有憲法上的救濟我們會思考做最好的妥善的處理對這個憲法上的救濟我們來做考慮\n\n16\n00:05:47,438 --> 00:05:48,720\n復議決定之後我自然會做決定\n\n17\n00:06:05,274 --> 00:06:32,365\n議員長我尊重啦因為覆議是你的權利啦覆議是你的權利啦剛剛委員說我們大剌剌的提出覆議不是的我們大剌剌的是要我們是張開一個保護傘為所有的人民受到保護議員長我只要提醒你喔多數的民調不要只看到小部分幾份民調要走出去聽聽大多數民意的聲音我也有數份民調坊間也有很多不同的民調可以給你看到民意對於國會改革的支持度你既然辭聖\n\n18\n00:06:33,385 --> 00:06:33,805\n主席主席\n\n19\n00:06:53,098 --> 00:07:03,624\n做暫時的處分,後面你要做行政救濟、憲法的救濟,無論是釋憲或暫時處分,暫時的處分,背後都有一定的政治的意義在,但是相對的\n\n20\n00:07:04,991 --> 00:07:05,031\n李彥秀\n\n21\n00:07:35,351 --> 00:07:35,471\n6月4日\n\n22\n00:07:56,969 --> 00:08:22,614\n我們立法院通過四項法案,包括再生醫療條例,再生治劑條例,還有民意代表村里長的補助費,還有一個原住民的淨法補償條例,到剛才我進來質詢的時候,前三條總統已經公告了,原住民的淨法補償條例為什麼還沒有公告?同一天審完三度為什麼還沒公告?\n\n23\n00:08:24,991 --> 00:08:50,887\n一天你知道這條嗎?這四條,你這條你知道嗎?你不要浪費我的時間,這條我以後沒有公告。這個跟今天...沒有沒有沒有,都有關係,我等一下會提,都有關係,都有關係。同一天,同一天,同一天,立法院審完,同一天,送到總統府,然後你們現在只公告三條,第四條禁法條不公告,剛剛的院長你的回答是什麼?\n\n24\n00:08:54,355 --> 00:09:07,323\n有關系啊院長不敢回答我知道啦院長這一條齁當時你們就送來再說我再考慮看看就這一條未來有可能會提出復議啊\n\n25\n00:09:09,707 --> 00:09:32,805\n未來這條也會提出覆議,那我就要再一次提,我剛剛已經每一個政治動作背後都要挑起社會的對立。如果你們打算要跟全民對著幹,跟立法院對著幹的話,我覺得這個是失去,你們說什麼要傾聽人民的聲音,要多溝通,未來只會,我覺得你們沒有辦法推動更多的復國立民的法案。\n\n26\n00:09:33,385 --> 00:09:59,398\n因為包括原住民的禁法補償條例也很多民進黨的委員是支持的所以我覺得這個如果總統大概總統沒有公告我覺得總統的角色也一定在裡面啦所以我預估你們這一條也會提復議啦那包括才化法這兩天審議的國民黨民進黨不管提出的版本是什麼你們大可提出行政院的想法版本\n\n27\n00:10:00,534 --> 00:10:18,765\n討論這麼多你們連提都不提未來是不是海諾法案只要民進黨不開心不滿意你們全部都提覆議我們有現行版本財化法財化法25年都沒有修了啊過去的賴清德市長潘孟安市長都說要修啊你們最起碼也提出一個你們的版本全部該修的版本是連提都不提所以我說未來絕對是風火連天只要是你們不滿意全部的提出覆議權\n\n28\n00:10:30,984 --> 00:10:33,830\n好,謝謝,謝謝李委員,謝謝卓院長。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3232\t7117\t謝謝主席,我請卓院長。我請卓院長備選。院長好,我看了您的6頁的,14頁的報告,6點提出覆議的理由,我還是認為\n23988\t41710\t立法院在討論立法委員的職權行使法很奇怪的這是立法院的職權行使法由行政院來提出意見特別是行政權來提出這個覆議的案子\n43271\t59054\t我現在是覺得行政院提出的包括你們提出的五大理由、六大理由,憑什麼行政院來張牙舞爪地來指責立法院、立法委員在立法院裡面的職權行使?\n60202\t60602\t李彥秀李彥秀李彥秀李彥秀\n84893\t109194\t國民黨委員也要求釋憲,當時也提出釋憲,但是大法官當時提出的釋憲在107年5月4號,當時大法官就提出說,立法院提出的釋憲大法官不受理,因為司法權本與憲法機關互相尊重的忠誠義務,不介入立法院審議的內部的事項。\n112796\t132652\t但是我非常遺憾的是今天行政院大剌剌的公開的去介入立法院的這個職權的行使這特別是這個立法院的職權行使到底有沒有去影響到這個行政院我倒是有很多的問號那當時院長你讓我說完\n136735\t155126\t當時106年在處理勞基法的時候當時林靜怡是召委現在的正式林靜怡召委她提出來說請尊重這個議事規則第30條她當時也把發言的時間做了限制這個都有公文白紙黑紙都在公報上面有問題的話請院長你到時候再回去看看公報\n157648\t172895\t當時包括在委員會討論的同時討論到勞基法32條之一的時候現在的副總統當時的蕭美琴委員就提出停止討論包括後面所有的條文都不要討論保留直接送院會\n174794\t190261\t這個就是你們今天提出來的六大理由覆議的六大理由就是今天的民進黨打臉過去的民進黨歷史真的是一面照妖鏡院長把當時的公報條文包括逐字一個一個念出來你就可以看得清楚我到底在講什麼\n191802\t220274\t這個也違反當時民進黨今天你們有提出來的話也是違反當時民進黨堅持民主的價值今天你們提出這個覆議案真的是民主的絆腳石特別是民進黨內部其實你們也有很多人希望看到國會改革好你們提到說這個國會改革有至愛難行的地方我就不知道行是哪裡難行特別是立法院在做這個調查權的行使的同時是要查弊案\n220874\t221034\t再來一個\n248459\t277064\t我必須要問一下院長我最後一個請教您剛才我聽到你回答其他委員說明天覆議案我不知道你是不是有信心你對我一直講有信心我不知道你到今天為止是不是還有信心你有信心明天會過你有信心明天會不會過因為你回答委員說其他委員說我當然我立場是非常清楚跟堅定我絕對不會是那個立場\n280050\t303600\t我的立場是非常清楚我想院長非常清楚我也聽到你回答其他委員說後續的大法官的釋憲你們也會提出到底會不會提出暫時處分你剛才沒有回應那到底民進黨會不會提出暫時處分每一個動作背後都有它的政治意義但是相對的也會有政治的代價\n304824\t330677\t院長,會不會提出大法官解釋之後,明天覆議結束之後,你們還有一個工具行政手段,就是釋憲。釋憲的同時,明天覆議吧,明天投票覆議,後面如果沒有過,後面民進黨還有一個手段,就是大法官的釋憲。釋憲的同時,剛才我聽到你回答其他的委員,民進黨委員提出暫時處分的部分,你們會不會提出來?\n331769\t346516\t覆議之後有需要我們還有其他憲法上的救濟剛剛的暫時處分是委員提出的我說我們還有憲法上的救濟我們會思考做最好的妥善的處理對這個憲法上的救濟我們來做考慮\n347438\t348720\t復議決定之後我自然會做決定\n365274\t392365\t議員長我尊重啦因為覆議是你的權利啦覆議是你的權利啦剛剛委員說我們大剌剌的提出覆議不是的我們大剌剌的是要我們是張開一個保護傘為所有的人民受到保護議員長我只要提醒你喔多數的民調不要只看到小部分幾份民調要走出去聽聽大多數民意的聲音我也有數份民調坊間也有很多不同的民調可以給你看到民意對於國會改革的支持度你既然辭聖\n393385\t393805\t主席主席\n413098\t423624\t做暫時的處分,後面你要做行政救濟、憲法的救濟,無論是釋憲或暫時處分,暫時的處分,背後都有一定的政治的意義在,但是相對的\n424991\t425031\t李彥秀\n455351\t455471\t6月4日\n476969\t502614\t我們立法院通過四項法案,包括再生醫療條例,再生治劑條例,還有民意代表村里長的補助費,還有一個原住民的淨法補償條例,到剛才我進來質詢的時候,前三條總統已經公告了,原住民的淨法補償條例為什麼還沒有公告?同一天審完三度為什麼還沒公告?\n504991\t530887\t一天你知道這條嗎?這四條,你這條你知道嗎?你不要浪費我的時間,這條我以後沒有公告。這個跟今天...沒有沒有沒有,都有關係,我等一下會提,都有關係,都有關係。同一天,同一天,同一天,立法院審完,同一天,送到總統府,然後你們現在只公告三條,第四條禁法條不公告,剛剛的院長你的回答是什麼?\n534355\t547323\t有關系 啊 院長不敢回答我知道啦 院長這一條齁 當時你們就送來再說我再考慮看看 就這一條未來有可能會提出復議啊\n549707\t572805\t未來這條也會提出覆議,那我就要再一次提,我剛剛已經每一個政治動作背後都要挑起社會的對立。如果你們打算要跟全民對著幹,跟立法院對著幹的話,我覺得這個是失去,你們說什麼要傾聽人民的聲音,要多溝通,未來只會,我覺得你們沒有辦法推動更多的復國立民的法案。\n573385\t599398\t因為包括原住民的禁法補償條例也很多民進黨的委員是支持的所以我覺得這個如果總統大概總統沒有公告我覺得總統的角色也一定在裡面啦所以我預估你們這一條也會提復議啦那包括才化法這兩天審議的國民黨民進黨不管提出的版本是什麼你們大可提出行政院的想法版本\n600534\t618765\t討論這麼多你們連提都不提未來是不是海諾法案只要民進黨不開心不滿意你們全部都提覆議我們有現行版本財化法財化法25年都沒有修了啊過去的賴清德市長潘孟安市長都說要修啊你們最起碼也提出一個你們的版本全部該修的版本是連提都不提所以我說未來絕對是風火連天只要是你們不滿意全部的提出覆議權\n630984\t633830\t好,謝謝,謝謝李委員,謝謝卓院長。\n","txt":"謝謝主席,我請卓院長。我請卓院長備選。院長好,我看了您的6頁的,14頁的報告,6點提出覆議的理由,我還是認為\n立法院在討論立法委員的職權行使法很奇怪的這是立法院的職權行使法由行政院來提出意見特別是行政權來提出這個覆議的案子\n我現在是覺得行政院提出的包括你們提出的五大理由、六大理由,憑什麼行政院來張牙舞爪地來指責立法院、立法委員在立法院裡面的職權行使?\n李彥秀李彥秀李彥秀李彥秀\n國民黨委員也要求釋憲,當時也提出釋憲,但是大法官當時提出的釋憲在107年5月4號,當時大法官就提出說,立法院提出的釋憲大法官不受理,因為司法權本與憲法機關互相尊重的忠誠義務,不介入立法院審議的內部的事項。\n但是我非常遺憾的是今天行政院大剌剌的公開的去介入立法院的這個職權的行使這特別是這個立法院的職權行使到底有沒有去影響到這個行政院我倒是有很多的問號那當時院長你讓我說完\n當時106年在處理勞基法的時候當時林靜怡是召委現在的正式林靜怡召委她提出來說請尊重這個議事規則第30條她當時也把發言的時間做了限制這個都有公文白紙黑紙都在公報上面有問題的話請院長你到時候再回去看看公報\n當時包括在委員會討論的同時討論到勞基法32條之一的時候現在的副總統當時的蕭美琴委員就提出停止討論包括後面所有的條文都不要討論保留直接送院會\n這個就是你們今天提出來的六大理由覆議的六大理由就是今天的民進黨打臉過去的民進黨歷史真的是一面照妖鏡院長把當時的公報條文包括逐字一個一個念出來你就可以看得清楚我到底在講什麼\n這個也違反當時民進黨今天你們有提出來的話也是違反當時民進黨堅持民主的價值今天你們提出這個覆議案真的是民主的絆腳石特別是民進黨內部其實你們也有很多人希望看到國會改革好你們提到說這個國會改革有至愛難行的地方我就不知道行是哪裡難行特別是立法院在做這個調查權的行使的同時是要查弊案\n再來一個\n我必須要問一下院長我最後一個請教您剛才我聽到你回答其他委員說明天覆議案我不知道你是不是有信心你對我一直講有信心我不知道你到今天為止是不是還有信心你有信心明天會過你有信心明天會不會過因為你回答委員說其他委員說我當然我立場是非常清楚跟堅定我絕對不會是那個立場\n我的立場是非常清楚我想院長非常清楚我也聽到你回答其他委員說後續的大法官的釋憲你們也會提出到底會不會提出暫時處分你剛才沒有回應那到底民進黨會不會提出暫時處分每一個動作背後都有它的政治意義但是相對的也會有政治的代價\n院長,會不會提出大法官解釋之後,明天覆議結束之後,你們還有一個工具行政手段,就是釋憲。釋憲的同時,明天覆議吧,明天投票覆議,後面如果沒有過,後面民進黨還有一個手段,就是大法官的釋憲。釋憲的同時,剛才我聽到你回答其他的委員,民進黨委員提出暫時處分的部分,你們會不會提出來?\n覆議之後有需要我們還有其他憲法上的救濟剛剛的暫時處分是委員提出的我說我們還有憲法上的救濟我們會思考做最好的妥善的處理對這個憲法上的救濟我們來做考慮\n復議決定之後我自然會做決定\n議員長我尊重啦因為覆議是你的權利啦覆議是你的權利啦剛剛委員說我們大剌剌的提出覆議不是的我們大剌剌的是要我們是張開一個保護傘為所有的人民受到保護議員長我只要提醒你喔多數的民調不要只看到小部分幾份民調要走出去聽聽大多數民意的聲音我也有數份民調坊間也有很多不同的民調可以給你看到民意對於國會改革的支持度你既然辭聖\n主席主席\n做暫時的處分,後面你要做行政救濟、憲法的救濟,無論是釋憲或暫時處分,暫時的處分,背後都有一定的政治的意義在,但是相對的\n李彥秀\n6月4日\n我們立法院通過四項法案,包括再生醫療條例,再生治劑條例,還有民意代表村里長的補助費,還有一個原住民的淨法補償條例,到剛才我進來質詢的時候,前三條總統已經公告了,原住民的淨法補償條例為什麼還沒有公告?同一天審完三度為什麼還沒公告?\n一天你知道這條嗎?這四條,你這條你知道嗎?你不要浪費我的時間,這條我以後沒有公告。這個跟今天...沒有沒有沒有,都有關係,我等一下會提,都有關係,都有關係。同一天,同一天,同一天,立法院審完,同一天,送到總統府,然後你們現在只公告三條,第四條禁法條不公告,剛剛的院長你的回答是什麼?\n有關系 啊 院長不敢回答我知道啦 院長這一條齁 當時你們就送來再說我再考慮看看 就這一條未來有可能會提出復議啊\n未來這條也會提出覆議,那我就要再一次提,我剛剛已經每一個政治動作背後都要挑起社會的對立。如果你們打算要跟全民對著幹,跟立法院對著幹的話,我覺得這個是失去,你們說什麼要傾聽人民的聲音,要多溝通,未來只會,我覺得你們沒有辦法推動更多的復國立民的法案。\n因為包括原住民的禁法補償條例也很多民進黨的委員是支持的所以我覺得這個如果總統大概總統沒有公告我覺得總統的角色也一定在裡面啦所以我預估你們這一條也會提復議啦那包括才化法這兩天審議的國民黨民進黨不管提出的版本是什麼你們大可提出行政院的想法版本\n討論這麼多你們連提都不提未來是不是海諾法案只要民進黨不開心不滿意你們全部都提覆議我們有現行版本財化法財化法25年都沒有修了啊過去的賴清德市長潘孟安市長都說要修啊你們最起碼也提出一個你們的版本全部該修的版本是連提都不提所以我說未來絕對是風火連天只要是你們不滿意全部的提出覆議權\n好,謝謝,謝謝李委員,謝謝卓院長。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.232 --> 00:07.117\n謝謝主席,我請卓院長。我請卓院長備選。院長好,我看了您的6頁的,14頁的報告,6點提出覆議的理由,我還是認為\n\n00:23.988 --> 00:41.710\n立法院在討論立法委員的職權行使法很奇怪的這是立法院的職權行使法由行政院來提出意見特別是行政權來提出這個覆議的案子\n\n00:43.271 --> 00:59.054\n我現在是覺得行政院提出的包括你們提出的五大理由、六大理由,憑什麼行政院來張牙舞爪地來指責立法院、立法委員在立法院裡面的職權行使?\n\n01:00.202 --> 01:00.602\n李彥秀李彥秀李彥秀李彥秀\n\n01:24.893 --> 01:49.194\n國民黨委員也要求釋憲,當時也提出釋憲,但是大法官當時提出的釋憲在107年5月4號,當時大法官就提出說,立法院提出的釋憲大法官不受理,因為司法權本與憲法機關互相尊重的忠誠義務,不介入立法院審議的內部的事項。\n\n01:52.796 --> 02:12.652\n但是我非常遺憾的是今天行政院大剌剌的公開的去介入立法院的這個職權的行使這特別是這個立法院的職權行使到底有沒有去影響到這個行政院我倒是有很多的問號那當時院長你讓我說完\n\n02:16.735 --> 02:35.126\n當時106年在處理勞基法的時候當時林靜怡是召委現在的正式林靜怡召委她提出來說請尊重這個議事規則第30條她當時也把發言的時間做了限制這個都有公文白紙黑紙都在公報上面有問題的話請院長你到時候再回去看看公報\n\n02:37.648 --> 02:52.895\n當時包括在委員會討論的同時討論到勞基法32條之一的時候現在的副總統當時的蕭美琴委員就提出停止討論包括後面所有的條文都不要討論保留直接送院會\n\n02:54.794 --> 03:10.261\n這個就是你們今天提出來的六大理由覆議的六大理由就是今天的民進黨打臉過去的民進黨歷史真的是一面照妖鏡院長把當時的公報條文包括逐字一個一個念出來你就可以看得清楚我到底在講什麼\n\n03:11.802 --> 03:40.274\n這個也違反當時民進黨今天你們有提出來的話也是違反當時民進黨堅持民主的價值今天你們提出這個覆議案真的是民主的絆腳石特別是民進黨內部其實你們也有很多人希望看到國會改革好你們提到說這個國會改革有至愛難行的地方我就不知道行是哪裡難行特別是立法院在做這個調查權的行使的同時是要查弊案\n\n03:40.874 --> 03:41.034\n再來一個\n\n04:08.459 --> 04:37.064\n我必須要問一下院長我最後一個請教您剛才我聽到你回答其他委員說明天覆議案我不知道你是不是有信心你對我一直講有信心我不知道你到今天為止是不是還有信心你有信心明天會過你有信心明天會不會過因為你回答委員說其他委員說我當然我立場是非常清楚跟堅定我絕對不會是那個立場\n\n04:40.050 --> 05:03.600\n我的立場是非常清楚我想院長非常清楚我也聽到你回答其他委員說後續的大法官的釋憲你們也會提出到底會不會提出暫時處分你剛才沒有回應那到底民進黨會不會提出暫時處分每一個動作背後都有它的政治意義但是相對的也會有政治的代價\n\n05:04.824 --> 05:30.677\n院長,會不會提出大法官解釋之後,明天覆議結束之後,你們還有一個工具行政手段,就是釋憲。釋憲的同時,明天覆議吧,明天投票覆議,後面如果沒有過,後面民進黨還有一個手段,就是大法官的釋憲。釋憲的同時,剛才我聽到你回答其他的委員,民進黨委員提出暫時處分的部分,你們會不會提出來?\n\n05:31.769 --> 05:46.516\n覆議之後有需要我們還有其他憲法上的救濟剛剛的暫時處分是委員提出的我說我們還有憲法上的救濟我們會思考做最好的妥善的處理對這個憲法上的救濟我們來做考慮\n\n05:47.438 --> 05:48.720\n復議決定之後我自然會做決定\n\n06:05.274 --> 06:32.365\n議員長我尊重啦因為覆議是你的權利啦覆議是你的權利啦剛剛委員說我們大剌剌的提出覆議不是的我們大剌剌的是要我們是張開一個保護傘為所有的人民受到保護議員長我只要提醒你喔多數的民調不要只看到小部分幾份民調要走出去聽聽大多數民意的聲音我也有數份民調坊間也有很多不同的民調可以給你看到民意對於國會改革的支持度你既然辭聖\n\n06:33.385 --> 06:33.805\n主席主席\n\n06:53.098 --> 07:03.624\n做暫時的處分,後面你要做行政救濟、憲法的救濟,無論是釋憲或暫時處分,暫時的處分,背後都有一定的政治的意義在,但是相對的\n\n07:04.991 --> 07:05.031\n李彥秀\n\n07:35.351 --> 07:35.471\n6月4日\n\n07:56.969 --> 08:22.614\n我們立法院通過四項法案,包括再生醫療條例,再生治劑條例,還有民意代表村里長的補助費,還有一個原住民的淨法補償條例,到剛才我進來質詢的時候,前三條總統已經公告了,原住民的淨法補償條例為什麼還沒有公告?同一天審完三度為什麼還沒公告?\n\n08:24.991 --> 08:50.887\n一天你知道這條嗎?這四條,你這條你知道嗎?你不要浪費我的時間,這條我以後沒有公告。這個跟今天...沒有沒有沒有,都有關係,我等一下會提,都有關係,都有關係。同一天,同一天,同一天,立法院審完,同一天,送到總統府,然後你們現在只公告三條,第四條禁法條不公告,剛剛的院長你的回答是什麼?\n\n08:54.355 --> 09:07.323\n有關系啊院長不敢回答我知道啦院長這一條齁當時你們就送來再說我再考慮看看就這一條未來有可能會提出復議啊\n\n09:09.707 --> 09:32.805\n未來這條也會提出覆議,那我就要再一次提,我剛剛已經每一個政治動作背後都要挑起社會的對立。如果你們打算要跟全民對著幹,跟立法院對著幹的話,我覺得這個是失去,你們說什麼要傾聽人民的聲音,要多溝通,未來只會,我覺得你們沒有辦法推動更多的復國立民的法案。\n\n09:33.385 --> 09:59.398\n因為包括原住民的禁法補償條例也很多民進黨的委員是支持的所以我覺得這個如果總統大概總統沒有公告我覺得總統的角色也一定在裡面啦所以我預估你們這一條也會提復議啦那包括才化法這兩天審議的國民黨民進黨不管提出的版本是什麼你們大可提出行政院的想法版本\n\n10:00.534 --> 10:18.765\n討論這麼多你們連提都不提未來是不是海諾法案只要民進黨不開心不滿意你們全部都提覆議我們有現行版本財化法財化法25年都沒有修了啊過去的賴清德市長潘孟安市長都說要修啊你們最起碼也提出一個你們的版本全部該修的版本是連提都不提所以我說未來絕對是風火連天只要是你們不滿意全部的提出覆議權\n\n10:30.984 --> 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