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00:01:24,833\n有任何人讓你好好的完整的說明行政院為什麼提覆議案嗎?我看起來好像不太有啊我看到的其實當在野黨的委員上來的時候最多的要嘛就是禮貌一點啊新聞下標說高分貝的質詢那其實說真的就謾罵也蠻多的啊\n\n4\n00:01:26,753 --> 00:01:43,899\n然而也很多的超越今天的範圍之外呢那也還有更多的其實我統計了一下有三句話最多一個是我沒有讓你講話你不要講話第二個是你只要回答是或不是第三句是院長你佔用我的時間不要講話這三句話頻率出現最高可是他們也還是都要你回答啊所以我看院長你其實也回應了幾句啊\n\n5\n00:01:54,562 --> 00:02:23,035\n所以院長如果依照現在通過因為確實已經三讀通過了嘛五月底通過了這個立法院職權行使法的修正以第25條來講的話院長我覺得你有可能就是藐視國會囉因為我看到你可能他們會說是超越質詢範圍嘛反質詢嘛拒絕答覆那一次一罰院長你有沒有算過這兩天下來你大概要被罰多少錢呢\n\n6\n00:02:24,229 --> 00:02:47,572\n如果照正標準的話應該慘不忍睹應該上百萬有啦院長如果你在來當院長之前就知道說哇一次備詢就要上百萬不曉得你還願不願意接這個院長也不曉得有沒有人願意來當後面先列席整排的部長們不曉得一次備詢一天可能要上百萬不曉得還有沒有人願意要來當這個部長\n\n7\n00:02:49,537 --> 00:03:05,008\n那我們就看到如果沒有人來當這些部長沒有人來做這些服務人民的工作產生的其實就是國家的空轉啊所以我覺得行政院你再提出覆議案說至愛難行對啊\n\n8\n00:03:07,489 --> 00:03:29,518\n確實是這個法案如果通過了之後行政院就沒有辦法做事了當然自愛難行所以你應該要把五六七喔你的這個幾項理由當中應該要大大更大的說明出來那我跟院長說啦我建議你因為我這樣抽絲剝繭下去以後我看到二月其實有一條新聞跟國民黨的副總召有關\n\n9\n00:03:30,714 --> 00:03:54,115\n副總召在二月的時候接受採訪的第一件事情那時候志得意滿、氣宇軒昂的就是告訴大家說我們進來立法院以後就是要成立特徵組讓民進黨找不到人做部會首長這新聞報得很大啊這是副總召的目標所以這樣連起來\n\n10\n00:03:55,876 --> 00:03:56,837\n報告委員我想我們所有的部會首長\n\n11\n00:04:12,734 --> 00:04:26,520\n也是在這樣的情境底下調整自己的心理準備做好了所有的武裝自己進到這裡來但是我希望我們能夠塑造一個更好的國會環境讓未來更好的人能夠站在這裡跟國會做良好的互動\n\n12\n00:04:27,039 --> 00:04:49,100\n老實說立法院之所以成為最高國家殿堂就是大家不再是用拳頭大小大家不是比武力高低而是用口才口語文字在這裡做政策辯論所以兩方都應該就自己的想法提出說明而不是要求某一方單一的手綁起來嘴巴不能講話\n\n13\n00:04:49,901 --> 00:04:49,921\n院長﹖\n\n14\n00:05:12,688 --> 00:05:12,888\n我必須說有耶!\n\n15\n00:05:33,866 --> 00:05:58,095\n我們其實不只是在保護維持國家的憲政秩序更是在保護一般的人民權利你看看院長剛剛有很多的委員又拿大法官釋字又拿這個條文可是我看在野黨的委員他們現在終於願意討論條文了但是都就單條單句不敢告訴你整篇連在一起以後會發生什麼樣的效果\n\n16\n00:05:59,215 --> 00:06:05,122\n我們就來看這部法令什麼時候會跟一般人發生效果其實很簡單從45條現行條文的第45條裡面\n\n17\n00:06:10,262 --> 00:06:30,611\n45條呢﹖他說呢﹖我們可以﹖立法院可以就相關議案來進行調查。好,相關議案,範圍很大,什麼叫相關議案。好,再來呢﹖如果是47、48呢﹖其實在這裡就規定了除了政府機關之外﹖是部隊、法人、團體、社會上有關係的人。\n\n18\n00:06:31,711 --> 00:06:47,037\n剛剛有委員說憲法就有寫社會上關係的人啊對啊憲法是根本大法所以他把大家包山包海包進來你現在還用憲法來講正是符合了包山包海啊那麼相關議案加上社會上關係之人喔\n\n19\n00:06:48,956 --> 00:07:09,181\n院長我下相去講的時候有一個例子大家聽得很懂我給你參考看看在野黨說我們訂立這部法條就是要查民進黨的弊案像是雞蛋案那我們呢絕對不會牽涉到一般人我們只是要調那一些做雞蛋案決策的相關官員來詢問\n\n20\n00:07:11,568 --> 00:07:22,886\n你同意這樣的話嗎?他們是這樣講的嘛可是如果按照現行已經通過的三讀條文來講雞蛋案的社會相關人員是誰?\n\n21\n00:07:23,936 --> 00:07:50,524\n你做決策的官員當然符合他的政府嘛機關嘛符合嘛好那你賣雞蛋的人算不算社會相關的人你當時跟哪一個大盤商買的哪一個中盤買的你零售店你又是跟誰採購的我想知道大盤商是誰這個大盤商是不是跟政府有勾結中盤商當然是有關係的人可以來啊\n\n22\n00:07:51,323 --> 00:08:06,219\n那甚至是我是一般的媽媽我只是去便利商店去超級市場去柑仔店買雞蛋算不算有關係的人如果他要算也可以算啊因為我是委員我想知道你這一斤雞蛋買多少錢\n\n23\n00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:21,314\n我就是想知道所以我可以調閱你來請你來立法院說明、作證一斤雞蛋到底漲到多少錢啊民進黨政府真的是剝削人民啊把雞蛋價格轟得這麼高\n\n24\n00:08:23,075 --> 00:08:23,715\n協議委員．非常清楚\n\n25\n00:08:43,544 --> 00:09:03,638\n我們就是看到這樣條文的適用將來會造成沒有明確的規範內容沒有明確的法律明確性所以我們認為要保護所有的人希望可以重新審視所以我覺得行政院可以用更白話更口大家能夠聽得懂的話語來跟社會解釋這一部法院到底有多荒謬\n\n26\n00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:29,362\n國民黨再再的說不會不會我們不會做這個荒謬的事不好意思堂堂立法院都可以訂出這麼荒謬的法律文字出來你怎麼能夠相信未來他不會用這個寬鬆的法律去做一些更荒謬的事我覺得這個是行政院一定要甚至是更大力道的來告訴大家我們提復議的原因是因為這部法律\n\n27\n00:09:30,123 --> 00:09:30,323\n蘇巧慧\n\n28\n00:09:51,883 --> 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我想我們所有的部會首長\n252734\t266520\t也是在這樣的情境底下調整自己的心理準備做好了所有的武裝自己進到這裡來但是我希望我們能夠塑造一個更好的國會環境讓未來更好的人能夠站在這裡跟國會做良好的互動\n267039\t289100\t老實說立法院之所以成為最高國家殿堂就是大家不再是用拳頭大小大家不是比武力高低而是用口才口語文字在這裡做政策辯論所以兩方都應該就自己的想法提出說明而不是要求某一方單一的手綁起來嘴巴不能講話\n289901\t289921\t院長﹖\n312688\t312888\t我必須說有耶!\n333866\t358095\t我們其實不只是在保護維持國家的憲政秩序更是在保護一般的人民權利你看看院長剛剛有很多的委員又拿大法官釋字又拿這個條文可是我看在野黨的委員他們現在終於願意討論條文了但是都就單條單句不敢告訴你整篇連在一起以後會發生什麼樣的效果\n359215\t365122\t我們就來看這部法令什麼時候會跟一般人發生效果其實很簡單從45條現行條文的第45條裡面\n370262\t390611\t45條呢﹖他說呢﹖我們可以﹖立法院可以就相關議案來進行調查。好,相關議案,範圍很大,什麼叫相關議案。好,再來呢﹖如果是47、48呢﹖其實在這裡就規定了除了政府機關之外﹖是部隊、法人、團體、社會上有關係的人。\n391711\t407037\t剛剛有委員說 憲法就有寫社會上關係的人啊對啊 憲法是根本大法所以他把大家包山包海包進來你現在還用憲法來講 正是符合了包山包海啊那麼相關議案加上社會上關係之人喔\n408956\t429181\t院長我下相去講的時候有一個例子大家聽得很懂我給你參考看看在野黨說我們訂立這部法條就是要查民進黨的弊案像是雞蛋案那我們呢絕對不會牽涉到一般人我們只是要調那一些做雞蛋案決策的相關官員來詢問\n431568\t442886\t你同意這樣的話嗎?他們是這樣講的嘛可是如果按照現行已經通過的三讀條文來講雞蛋案的社會相關人員是誰?\n443936\t470524\t你做決策的官員當然符合他的政府嘛機關嘛符合嘛好那你賣雞蛋的人算不算社會相關的人你當時跟哪一個大盤商買的哪一個中盤買的你零售店你又是跟誰採購的我想知道大盤商是誰這個大盤商是不是跟政府有勾結中盤商當然是有關係的人可以來啊\n471323\t486219\t那甚至是我是一般的媽媽我只是去便利商店去超級市場去柑仔店買雞蛋算不算有關係的人如果他要算也可以算啊因為我是委員我想知道你這一斤雞蛋買多少錢\n487000\t501314\t我就是想知道所以我可以調閱你來請你來立法院說明、作證一斤雞蛋到底漲到多少錢啊民進黨政府真的是剝削人民啊把雞蛋價格轟得這麼高\n503075\t503715\t協議委員．非常清楚\n523544\t543638\t我們就是看到這樣條文的適用將來會造成沒有明確的規範內容沒有明確的法律明確性所以我們認為要保護所有的人希望可以重新審視所以我覺得行政院可以用更白話更口大家能夠聽得懂的話語來跟社會解釋這一部法院到底有多荒謬\n545600\t569362\t國民黨再再的說不會不會我們不會做這個荒謬的事不好意思堂堂立法院都可以訂出這麼荒謬的法律文字出來你怎麼能夠相信未來他不會用這個寬鬆的法律去做一些更荒謬的事我覺得這個是行政院一定要甚至是更大力道的來告訴大家我們提復議的原因是因為這部法律\n570123\t570323\t蘇巧慧\n591883\t620588\t以我們這幾次和國民黨民眾黨聯手交戰的做法我是對明天的覆議案不樂觀所以我想最後請問你如果覆議案不過的話你會對社會做更多說明嗎最後十秒會的第一我們尋求憲法上其他的救濟第二個我們知道自己應該負起什麼樣的政治權利跟責任我想我們有責任來跟民眾說明現在是國家行政遇到難處請院長不只就這案\n627236\t634016\t好,謝謝蘇委員也謝謝卓院長接下來請黃建豪委員質詢\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 我們請卓院長請卓院長備詢蘇委員好院長好 院長剛剛看你跟主席說這是不是超越本次質詢的目的院長我想請問本次這兩天議程質詢備詢的目的是什麼是就立法院職權行使法部分條文及中華民國刑法增訂第五章之一章名及\n所以今天質詢的目的其實就是要讓委員們讓民眾可以理解行政院為什麼提出覆議案對吧沒有錯嘛可是院長兩天到現在我已經是第39個站在這裡的委員了我看國民黨跟民眾黨在野黨的委員加起來也20多個了\n有任何人讓你好好的完整的說明行政院為什麼提覆議案嗎?我看起來好像不太有啊我看到的其實當在野黨的委員上來的時候最多的要嘛就是禮貌一點啊新聞下標說高分貝的質詢那其實說真的就謾罵也蠻多的啊\n然而也很多的超越今天的範圍之外呢那也還有更多的其實我統計了一下有三句話最多一個是我沒有讓你講話你不要講話第二個是你只要回答是或不是第三句是院長你佔用我的時間不要講話這三句話頻率出現最高可是他們也還是都要你回答啊所以我看院長你其實也回應了幾句啊\n所以院長如果依照現在通過因為確實已經三讀通過了嘛五月底通過了這個立法院職權行使法的修正以第25條來講的話院長我覺得你有可能就是藐視國會囉因為我看到你可能他們會說是超越質詢範圍嘛反質詢嘛拒絕答覆那一次一罰院長你有沒有算過這兩天下來你大概要被罰多少錢呢\n如果照正標準的話應該慘不忍睹應該上百萬有啦院長如果你在來當院長之前就知道說哇一次備詢就要上百萬不曉得你還願不願意接這個院長也不曉得有沒有人願意來當後面先列席整排的部長們不曉得一次備詢一天可能要上百萬不曉得還有沒有人願意要來當這個部長\n那我們就看到如果沒有人來當這些部長沒有人來做這些服務人民的工作產生的其實就是國家的空轉啊所以我覺得行政院你再提出覆議案說至愛難行對啊\n確實是這個法案如果通過了之後行政院就沒有辦法做事了當然自愛難行所以你應該要把五六七喔你的這個幾項理由當中應該要大大更大的說明出來那我跟院長說啦我建議你因為我這樣抽絲剝繭下去以後我看到二月其實有一條新聞跟國民黨的副總召有關\n副總召在二月的時候接受採訪的第一件事情那時候志得意滿、氣宇軒昂的就是告訴大家說我們進來立法院以後就是要成立特徵組讓民進黨找不到人做部會首長這新聞報得很大啊這是副總召的目標所以這樣連起來\n報告委員 我想我們所有的部會首長\n也是在這樣的情境底下調整自己的心理準備做好了所有的武裝自己進到這裡來但是我希望我們能夠塑造一個更好的國會環境讓未來更好的人能夠站在這裡跟國會做良好的互動\n老實說立法院之所以成為最高國家殿堂就是大家不再是用拳頭大小大家不是比武力高低而是用口才口語文字在這裡做政策辯論所以兩方都應該就自己的想法提出說明而不是要求某一方單一的手綁起來嘴巴不能講話\n院長﹖\n我必須說有耶!\n我們其實不只是在保護維持國家的憲政秩序更是在保護一般的人民權利你看看院長剛剛有很多的委員又拿大法官釋字又拿這個條文可是我看在野黨的委員他們現在終於願意討論條文了但是都就單條單句不敢告訴你整篇連在一起以後會發生什麼樣的效果\n我們就來看這部法令什麼時候會跟一般人發生效果其實很簡單從45條現行條文的第45條裡面\n45條呢﹖他說呢﹖我們可以﹖立法院可以就相關議案來進行調查。好,相關議案,範圍很大,什麼叫相關議案。好,再來呢﹖如果是47、48呢﹖其實在這裡就規定了除了政府機關之外﹖是部隊、法人、團體、社會上有關係的人。\n剛剛有委員說 憲法就有寫社會上關係的人啊對啊 憲法是根本大法所以他把大家包山包海包進來你現在還用憲法來講 正是符合了包山包海啊那麼相關議案加上社會上關係之人喔\n院長我下相去講的時候有一個例子大家聽得很懂我給你參考看看在野黨說我們訂立這部法條就是要查民進黨的弊案像是雞蛋案那我們呢絕對不會牽涉到一般人我們只是要調那一些做雞蛋案決策的相關官員來詢問\n你同意這樣的話嗎?他們是這樣講的嘛可是如果按照現行已經通過的三讀條文來講雞蛋案的社會相關人員是誰?\n你做決策的官員當然符合他的政府嘛機關嘛符合嘛好那你賣雞蛋的人算不算社會相關的人你當時跟哪一個大盤商買的哪一個中盤買的你零售店你又是跟誰採購的我想知道大盤商是誰這個大盤商是不是跟政府有勾結中盤商當然是有關係的人可以來啊\n那甚至是我是一般的媽媽我只是去便利商店去超級市場去柑仔店買雞蛋算不算有關係的人如果他要算也可以算啊因為我是委員我想知道你這一斤雞蛋買多少錢\n我就是想知道所以我可以調閱你來請你來立法院說明、作證一斤雞蛋到底漲到多少錢啊民進黨政府真的是剝削人民啊把雞蛋價格轟得這麼高\n協議委員．非常清楚\n我們就是看到這樣條文的適用將來會造成沒有明確的規範內容沒有明確的法律明確性所以我們認為要保護所有的人希望可以重新審視所以我覺得行政院可以用更白話更口大家能夠聽得懂的話語來跟社會解釋這一部法院到底有多荒謬\n國民黨再再的說不會不會我們不會做這個荒謬的事不好意思堂堂立法院都可以訂出這麼荒謬的法律文字出來你怎麼能夠相信未來他不會用這個寬鬆的法律去做一些更荒謬的事我覺得這個是行政院一定要甚至是更大力道的來告訴大家我們提復議的原因是因為這部法律\n蘇巧慧\n以我們這幾次和國民黨民眾黨聯手交戰的做法我是對明天的覆議案不樂觀所以我想最後請問你如果覆議案不過的話你會對社會做更多說明嗎最後十秒會的第一我們尋求憲法上其他的救濟第二個我們知道自己應該負起什麼樣的政治權利跟責任我想我們有責任來跟民眾說明現在是國家行政遇到難處請院長不只就這案\n好,謝謝蘇委員也謝謝卓院長接下來請黃建豪委員質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.848 --> 00:10.210\n好謝謝主席我們請卓院長請卓院長備詢蘇委員好院長好院長剛剛看你跟主席說這是不是超越本次質詢的目的院長我想請問本次這兩天議程質詢備詢的目的是什麼是就立法院職權行使法部分條文及中華民國刑法增訂第五章之一章名及\n\n00:39.761 --> 01:02.708\n所以今天質詢的目的其實就是要讓委員們讓民眾可以理解行政院為什麼提出覆議案對吧沒有錯嘛可是院長兩天到現在我已經是第39個站在這裡的委員了我看國民黨跟民眾黨在野黨的委員加起來也20多個了\n\n01:03.288 --> 01:24.833\n有任何人讓你好好的完整的說明行政院為什麼提覆議案嗎?我看起來好像不太有啊我看到的其實當在野黨的委員上來的時候最多的要嘛就是禮貌一點啊新聞下標說高分貝的質詢那其實說真的就謾罵也蠻多的啊\n\n01:26.753 --> 01:43.899\n然而也很多的超越今天的範圍之外呢那也還有更多的其實我統計了一下有三句話最多一個是我沒有讓你講話你不要講話第二個是你只要回答是或不是第三句是院長你佔用我的時間不要講話這三句話頻率出現最高可是他們也還是都要你回答啊所以我看院長你其實也回應了幾句啊\n\n01:54.562 --> 02:23.035\n所以院長如果依照現在通過因為確實已經三讀通過了嘛五月底通過了這個立法院職權行使法的修正以第25條來講的話院長我覺得你有可能就是藐視國會囉因為我看到你可能他們會說是超越質詢範圍嘛反質詢嘛拒絕答覆那一次一罰院長你有沒有算過這兩天下來你大概要被罰多少錢呢\n\n02:24.229 --> 02:47.572\n如果照正標準的話應該慘不忍睹應該上百萬有啦院長如果你在來當院長之前就知道說哇一次備詢就要上百萬不曉得你還願不願意接這個院長也不曉得有沒有人願意來當後面先列席整排的部長們不曉得一次備詢一天可能要上百萬不曉得還有沒有人願意要來當這個部長\n\n02:49.537 --> 03:05.008\n那我們就看到如果沒有人來當這些部長沒有人來做這些服務人民的工作產生的其實就是國家的空轉啊所以我覺得行政院你再提出覆議案說至愛難行對啊\n\n03:07.489 --> 03:29.518\n確實是這個法案如果通過了之後行政院就沒有辦法做事了當然自愛難行所以你應該要把五六七喔你的這個幾項理由當中應該要大大更大的說明出來那我跟院長說啦我建議你因為我這樣抽絲剝繭下去以後我看到二月其實有一條新聞跟國民黨的副總召有關\n\n03:30.714 --> 03:54.115\n副總召在二月的時候接受採訪的第一件事情那時候志得意滿、氣宇軒昂的就是告訴大家說我們進來立法院以後就是要成立特徵組讓民進黨找不到人做部會首長這新聞報得很大啊這是副總召的目標所以這樣連起來\n\n03:55.876 --> 03:56.837\n報告委員我想我們所有的部會首長\n\n04:12.734 --> 04:26.520\n也是在這樣的情境底下調整自己的心理準備做好了所有的武裝自己進到這裡來但是我希望我們能夠塑造一個更好的國會環境讓未來更好的人能夠站在這裡跟國會做良好的互動\n\n04:27.039 --> 04:49.100\n老實說立法院之所以成為最高國家殿堂就是大家不再是用拳頭大小大家不是比武力高低而是用口才口語文字在這裡做政策辯論所以兩方都應該就自己的想法提出說明而不是要求某一方單一的手綁起來嘴巴不能講話\n\n04:49.901 --> 04:49.921\n院長﹖\n\n05:12.688 --> 05:12.888\n我必須說有耶!\n\n05:33.866 --> 05:58.095\n我們其實不只是在保護維持國家的憲政秩序更是在保護一般的人民權利你看看院長剛剛有很多的委員又拿大法官釋字又拿這個條文可是我看在野黨的委員他們現在終於願意討論條文了但是都就單條單句不敢告訴你整篇連在一起以後會發生什麼樣的效果\n\n05:59.215 --> 06:05.122\n我們就來看這部法令什麼時候會跟一般人發生效果其實很簡單從45條現行條文的第45條裡面\n\n06:10.262 --> 06:30.611\n45條呢﹖他說呢﹖我們可以﹖立法院可以就相關議案來進行調查。好,相關議案,範圍很大,什麼叫相關議案。好,再來呢﹖如果是47、48呢﹖其實在這裡就規定了除了政府機關之外﹖是部隊、法人、團體、社會上有關係的人。\n\n06:31.711 --> 06:47.037\n剛剛有委員說憲法就有寫社會上關係的人啊對啊憲法是根本大法所以他把大家包山包海包進來你現在還用憲法來講正是符合了包山包海啊那麼相關議案加上社會上關係之人喔\n\n06:48.956 --> 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