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00:02:22,848\n針對行政院覆議案的委員詢答那我想院長您應該很清楚的知道其實立法院內部對於國會改革法案修法的意見非常兩極高度的對立而這其中本席觀察其實已經早就不是法律之爭而是淪為政黨跟政治之爭了\n\n6\n00:02:24,857 --> 00:02:38,512\n當行政院提起覆議案的時候,同時,院長您甚至還答應要出席青鳥活動的宣講的時候。我沒有,我沒有答應。秋毅委員說以後是事先之後的事情,那不是也是一樣的意思嗎?\n\n7\n00:02:43,197 --> 00:03:11,010\n對,那就注定了我認為說在您領導下的行政院院長就不是中華民國的行政院了為什麼?因為已經成為民進黨的行政院是的好,那麼這是本人最近對您的表現的觀察那在這邊我首先想請問院長您認同美國、日本、德國、法國是民主先進的國家嗎?我認為台灣應該是一個民主成熟的國家我是請教您美日德法是不是民主先進的國家?\n\n8\n00:03:12,793 --> 00:03:14,974\n各國的憲法設計跟國會制度是不一樣的不能一概而論\n\n9\n00:03:35,660 --> 00:03:57,008\n簡單來說您是否支持國會改革的這個法案?完全支持是的在這個30年前您民進黨的先進前輩們像是沈富雄、呂秀蓮、蘇焕智、柯建民等等立法委員那當時他們就已經提出了立法院聽證調查法的草案提出了八大立法原則十大體系制度也研擬了38項的條文他們認為\n\n10\n00:04:00,872 --> 00:04:22,647\n國會如果沒有調查權這國會就會是成為跛腳的國會唯有國會這個調查權法制化那麼國會呢才能夠發揮應有的功能那沈富雄委員甚至還提醒所有的立法委員說如果你不願意將自己矮化為立法局就應該要支持立法院聽證調查權\n\n11\n00:04:24,788 --> 00:04:46,858\n這幾位前輩今天如果還是立法委員的話他們不會放任這樣的條文內容變成現在的條文?是嗎?大概除了柯建民吧他已經違反了他自己過去的理念那麼30年過去了這個立法院其實是越做越小原本應該要代表民意的國家最高權力機關在過去8年已經淪為\n\n12\n00:04:48,098 --> 00:04:48,499\n並非如此。\n\n13\n00:05:09,389 --> 00:05:25,607\n本席認為民意代表他不僅是為一名喉舌做人民的代言人他更應該要做好代表人民管家的角色要代表人民監督政府不能夠放任政府官員為非作歹偷空出賣國家\n\n14\n00:05:29,011 --> 00:05:41,476\n那麼過去八年來其實政府出現了許多重大的弊案像是臺南的光電案、高端內線的交易案、疫苗弊案\n\n15\n00:05:43,110 --> 00:06:03,455\n快篩案、數位身份證的採購案等等那還有很多的乾坑法案那其實民眾的心中都有這樣的疑惑到底這些案子真相為何都在司法程序嗎全部都在司法程序嗎那麼民眾的疑惑就是這些真相在哪裡\n\n16\n00:06:04,685 --> 00:06:20,480\n他們期待我們立法委員能夠幫他們去釐清相關的這些案件的事實可惜的是就是因為立法院缺乏了相關的這個監督性更積極的監督性權利像是調查聽證權\n\n17\n00:06:23,580 --> 00:06:37,297\n處罰藐視國會行為的皆權利所以很難釐清相關的真相那造成了政府濫權自益那在這樣的一個情況之下難道立法院不應該有更強的監督手段來監督政府嗎?\n\n18\n00:06:37,998 --> 00:07:03,007\n立法委員當選之後透過這種方式為自己創作本來不應該有的權利那就是民主政治一個最大的挑戰跟不應該接下來我要講就是本席認為其實這次的國會改革法案無論是在程序上和實體上都是符合民主法治原則的那院長你們質疑說這個修法程序說沒有討論沒有民主你們是故意視而不見聽而不聞嗎\n\n19\n00:07:04,668 --> 00:07:24,435\n我們很努力的聽,聽不到討論,很努力的看,看不到正義。本席要告訴你就是說,這次修法不是沒有討論,而是各說各話的討論,沒有交集的討論,天馬行空的討論,牛頭不對馬嘴的討論,在這樣的一個討論,是要讓大家談到天荒地老,談到大家高興為止嗎?\n\n20\n00:07:25,675 --> 00:07:30,378\n這就是民主的過程不能一討論就條文保留一討論就停止討論但是一開始一個人發言就停止討論這非常態\n\n21\n00:07:45,549 --> 00:08:14,254\n是因為這已經討論非常久大家的就是有高度的政治在對於法條方面的一個歧介接下來就是你們之一舉手表決說人民無從得知各出席委員的決定不是責任政治的表現我很懷疑院長您知道現在立院已經進入到全影像紀錄的時代了嗎請問您是看不出哪位委員有舉手嗎\n\n22\n00:08:15,794 --> 00:08:23,476\n你是看不出來嗎?本席認為說你可能應該要換副眼鏡了啦。好,那麼這次是修法重點有三個重點。第一個就是要落實責任政治,要求總統進行國情報告,讓真正領導國家發展影響國家前途命運的權利決定者向民意負責,這難道不對嗎?\n\n23\n00:08:41,658 --> 00:08:54,206\n賴慶德總統打算在總統府下面設三個委員會顯然就是要牢牢掌握行政權做小行政院總統兼任行政院院長讓行政院成為總統府的行政處\n\n24\n00:08:55,632 --> 00:08:56,953\n請委員依照事實發言請委員依照事實發言\n\n25\n00:09:20,151 --> 00:09:27,456\n接下來我必須說,立法院行使調查權就是為了要維護人民知的權利,而讓人民能夠充分了解政府的運作,查清政府的弊案。那麼針對總統的這些弊案,難道立法院不該去了解實情嗎?\n\n26\n00:09:50,418 --> 00:09:50,738\n李慧琼議員\n\n27\n00:10:11,434 --> 00:10:15,878\n政府機關懷疑你有知悉持有使用國家關鍵技術的營業秘密的時候他就可以立刻調查所以相形之下其實立法院的調查權遠不如這些監察還有司法\n\n28\n00:10:43,660 --> 00:10:43,680\n王國興議員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n17663\t19727\t麻煩再請卓院長說明\n33071\t58185\t今天是賴清德政府施政上任滿月短短一個月之內其實我們就看到已經出現了經濟、國安、能源等等的這些問題根據民意調查基金會顯示賴總統的聲望已經大跌了十個百分點流失了將近兩百萬選民的支持\n59365\t87616\t有專家學者們呢就看到這個賴政府有專家學者已經有看到這個最近賴政府不聆聽廣大民意的心聲故意提起行政院的復議案挑起政黨對立的表現來看已經可以預見未來賴政府的這個四年執政的情況大概就是一路\n89079\t109368\t朝野對抗到底一直到下次的競選連任民眾也不用期待賴政府會提出什麼福國利民的政策因為只要是在野黨支持的福利法案民進黨就杯葛為了反對而反對經過這兩天大概48場的\n116128\t142848\t針對行政院覆議案的委員詢答那我想院長您應該很清楚的知道其實立法院內部對於國會改革法案修法的意見非常兩極高度的對立而這其中本席觀察其實已經早就不是法律之爭而是淪為政黨跟政治之爭了\n144857\t158512\t當行政院提起覆議案的時候,同時,院長您甚至還答應要出席青鳥活動的宣講的時候。我沒有,我沒有答應。秋毅委員說以後是事先之後的事情,那不是也是一樣的意思嗎?\n163197\t191010\t對,那就注定了我認為說在您領導下的行政院院長就不是中華民國的行政院了為什麼?因為已經成為民進黨的行政院是的好,那麼這是本人最近對您的表現的觀察那在這邊我首先想請問院長您認同美國、日本、德國、法國是民主先進的國家嗎?我認為台灣應該是一個民主成熟的國家我是請教您美日德法是不是民主先進的國家?\n192793\t194974\t各國的憲法設計跟國會制度是不一樣的不能一概而論\n215660\t237008\t簡單來說您是否支持國會改革的這個法案?完全支持是的在這個30年前您民進黨的先進前輩們像是沈富雄、呂秀蓮、蘇焕智、柯建民等等立法委員那當時他們就已經提出了立法院聽證調查法的草案提出了八大立法原則十大體系制度也研擬了38項的條文他們認為\n240872\t262647\t國會如果沒有調查權這國會就會是成為跛腳的國會唯有國會這個調查權法制化那麼國會呢才能夠發揮應有的功能那沈富雄委員甚至還提醒所有的立法委員說如果你不願意將自己矮化為立法局就應該要支持立法院聽證調查權\n264788\t286858\t這幾位前輩今天如果還是立法委員的話他們不會放任這樣的條文內容變成現在的條文?是嗎?大概除了柯建民吧他已經違反了他自己過去的理念那麼30年過去了這個立法院其實是越做越小原本應該要代表民意的國家最高權力機關在過去8年已經淪為\n288098\t288499\t並非如此。\n309389\t325607\t本席認為民意代表他不僅是為一名喉舌做人民的代言人他更應該要做好代表人民管家的角色要代表人民監督政府不能夠放任政府官員為非作歹偷空出賣國家\n329011\t341476\t那麼過去八年來其實政府出現了許多重大的弊案像是臺南的光電案、高端內線的交易案、疫苗弊案\n343110\t363455\t快篩案、數位身份證的採購案等等那還有很多的乾坑法案那其實民眾的心中都有這樣的疑惑到底這些案子真相為何都在司法程序嗎全部都在司法程序嗎那麼民眾的疑惑就是這些真相在哪裡\n364685\t380480\t他們期待我們立法委員能夠幫他們去釐清相關的這些案件的事實可惜的是就是因為立法院缺乏了相關的這個監督性更積極的監督性權利像是調查聽證權\n383580\t397297\t處罰藐視國會行為的皆權利所以很難釐清相關的真相那造成了政府濫權自益那在這樣的一個情況之下難道立法院不應該有更強的監督手段來監督政府嗎?\n397998\t423007\t立法委員當選之後透過這種方式為自己創作本來不應該有的權利那就是民主政治一個最大的挑戰跟不應該接下來我要講就是本席認為其實這次的國會改革法案無論是在程序上和實體上都是符合民主法治原則的那院長你們質疑說這個修法程序說沒有討論沒有民主你們是故意視而不見聽而不聞嗎\n424668\t444435\t我們很努力的聽,聽不到討論,很努力的看,看不到正義。本席要告訴你就是說,這次修法不是沒有討論,而是各說各話的討論,沒有交集的討論,天馬行空的討論,牛頭不對馬嘴的討論,在這樣的一個討論,是要讓大家談到天荒地老,談到大家高興為止嗎?\n445675\t450378\t這就是民主的過程不能一討論就條文保留一討論就停止討論但是一開始一個人發言就停止討論這非常態\n465549\t494254\t是因為這已經討論非常久大家的就是有高度的政治在對於法條方面的一個歧介接下來就是你們之一舉手表決說人民無從得知各出席委員的決定不是責任政治的表現我很懷疑 院長您知道現在立院已經進入到全影像紀錄的時代了嗎請問您是看不出哪位委員有舉手嗎\n495794\t503476\t你是看不出來嗎?本席認為說你可能應該要換副眼鏡了啦。好,那麼這次是修法重點有三個重點。第一個就是要落實責任政治,要求總統進行國情報告,讓真正領導國家發展影響國家前途命運的權利決定者向民意負責,這難道不對嗎?\n521658\t534206\t賴慶德總統打算在總統府下面設三個委員會顯然就是要牢牢掌握行政權做小行政院總統兼任行政院院長讓行政院成為總統府的行政處\n535632\t536953\t請委員依照事實發言請委員依照事實發言\n560151\t567456\t接下來我必須說,立法院行使調查權就是為了要維護人民知的權利,而讓人民能夠充分了解政府的運作,查清政府的弊案。那麼針對總統的這些弊案,難道立法院不該去了解實情嗎?\n590418\t590738\t李慧琼議員\n611434\t615878\t政府機關懷疑你有知悉持有使用國家關鍵技術的營業秘密的時候他就可以立刻調查所以相形之下其實立法院的調查權遠不如這些監察還有司法\n643660\t643680\t王國興議員\n","txt":"麻煩再請卓院長說明\n今天是賴清德政府施政上任滿月短短一個月之內其實我們就看到已經出現了經濟、國安、能源等等的這些問題根據民意調查基金會顯示賴總統的聲望已經大跌了十個百分點流失了將近兩百萬選民的支持\n有專家學者們呢就看到這個賴政府有專家學者已經有看到這個最近賴政府不聆聽廣大民意的心聲故意提起行政院的復議案挑起政黨對立的表現來看已經可以預見未來賴政府的這個四年執政的情況大概就是一路\n朝野對抗到底一直到下次的競選連任民眾也不用期待賴政府會提出什麼福國利民的政策因為只要是在野黨支持的福利法案民進黨就杯葛為了反對而反對經過這兩天大概48場的\n針對行政院覆議案的委員詢答那我想院長您應該很清楚的知道其實立法院內部對於國會改革法案修法的意見非常兩極高度的對立而這其中本席觀察其實已經早就不是法律之爭而是淪為政黨跟政治之爭了\n當行政院提起覆議案的時候,同時,院長您甚至還答應要出席青鳥活動的宣講的時候。我沒有,我沒有答應。秋毅委員說以後是事先之後的事情,那不是也是一樣的意思嗎?\n對,那就注定了我認為說在您領導下的行政院院長就不是中華民國的行政院了為什麼?因為已經成為民進黨的行政院是的好,那麼這是本人最近對您的表現的觀察那在這邊我首先想請問院長您認同美國、日本、德國、法國是民主先進的國家嗎?我認為台灣應該是一個民主成熟的國家我是請教您美日德法是不是民主先進的國家?\n各國的憲法設計跟國會制度是不一樣的不能一概而論\n簡單來說您是否支持國會改革的這個法案?完全支持是的在這個30年前您民進黨的先進前輩們像是沈富雄、呂秀蓮、蘇焕智、柯建民等等立法委員那當時他們就已經提出了立法院聽證調查法的草案提出了八大立法原則十大體系制度也研擬了38項的條文他們認為\n國會如果沒有調查權這國會就會是成為跛腳的國會唯有國會這個調查權法制化那麼國會呢才能夠發揮應有的功能那沈富雄委員甚至還提醒所有的立法委員說如果你不願意將自己矮化為立法局就應該要支持立法院聽證調查權\n這幾位前輩今天如果還是立法委員的話他們不會放任這樣的條文內容變成現在的條文?是嗎?大概除了柯建民吧他已經違反了他自己過去的理念那麼30年過去了這個立法院其實是越做越小原本應該要代表民意的國家最高權力機關在過去8年已經淪為\n並非如此。\n本席認為民意代表他不僅是為一名喉舌做人民的代言人他更應該要做好代表人民管家的角色要代表人民監督政府不能夠放任政府官員為非作歹偷空出賣國家\n那麼過去八年來其實政府出現了許多重大的弊案像是臺南的光電案、高端內線的交易案、疫苗弊案\n快篩案、數位身份證的採購案等等那還有很多的乾坑法案那其實民眾的心中都有這樣的疑惑到底這些案子真相為何都在司法程序嗎全部都在司法程序嗎那麼民眾的疑惑就是這些真相在哪裡\n他們期待我們立法委員能夠幫他們去釐清相關的這些案件的事實可惜的是就是因為立法院缺乏了相關的這個監督性更積極的監督性權利像是調查聽證權\n處罰藐視國會行為的皆權利所以很難釐清相關的真相那造成了政府濫權自益那在這樣的一個情況之下難道立法院不應該有更強的監督手段來監督政府嗎?\n立法委員當選之後透過這種方式為自己創作本來不應該有的權利那就是民主政治一個最大的挑戰跟不應該接下來我要講就是本席認為其實這次的國會改革法案無論是在程序上和實體上都是符合民主法治原則的那院長你們質疑說這個修法程序說沒有討論沒有民主你們是故意視而不見聽而不聞嗎\n我們很努力的聽,聽不到討論,很努力的看,看不到正義。本席要告訴你就是說,這次修法不是沒有討論,而是各說各話的討論,沒有交集的討論,天馬行空的討論,牛頭不對馬嘴的討論,在這樣的一個討論,是要讓大家談到天荒地老,談到大家高興為止嗎?\n這就是民主的過程不能一討論就條文保留一討論就停止討論但是一開始一個人發言就停止討論這非常態\n是因為這已經討論非常久大家的就是有高度的政治在對於法條方面的一個歧介接下來就是你們之一舉手表決說人民無從得知各出席委員的決定不是責任政治的表現我很懷疑 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