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00:00:21,825\n有請我們左院長還有內政部長及園民會。來請左院長、內政部長、園民會主委請備詢。黃委員好。委員好。委員好。院長好。\n\n2\n00:00:38,976 --> 00:00:57,758\n在本席第一次跟你對話,非常的榮幸。當然這個也是跟全國的族人來跟你對話。那我們就考究一下我們的歷史的脈絡。在民進黨至今的\n\n3\n00:01:00,707 --> 00:01:23,773\n執政已經算第三次。臺灣原住民主的政民權、土地權、自治權三大訴求只完成不到二分之一。縱然民進黨在第一次取得政權後陳水扁總統及中華民國總統之尊以臺灣原住民簽訂\n\n4\n00:01:25,390 --> 00:01:37,177\n原住民主與臺灣政府新夥伴關係及原住民與臺灣政府新的夥伴關係再肯定協定及原住民主與臺灣這個\n\n5\n00:01:40,663 --> 00:02:03,850\n政府蔡英文執政之後以中華民國總統名義代表政府向原住民道歉並設置總統府原住民歷史正義與轉型正義委員會所以我念這一段就是要告訴給院長在過去我們很肯定的是陳水扁總統\n\n6\n00:02:06,984 --> 00:02:22,940\n蔡英文總統針對我們的歷史正義來針對我們的原住民的定義已經釋出了一個善意跟肯定但後續的執行的這樣的一個\n\n7\n00:02:25,010 --> 00:02:49,555\n動作是非常緩慢所以我們原住民的正名權或是原住民的正義權或什麼土地權之類現在還不到二分之一所以今天我講這個就是我們在臺灣我必須要再肯定的是臺灣真正的臺灣的主人就是原住民\n\n8\n00:02:50,370 --> 00:03:18,601\n我們過去我們漢民主400年來牽涉到臺灣來但是有沒有尊重到我們真正臺灣的歷史跟原住民的定名是因為我們不斷的在這個時空背景在每一段的世紀裡面不斷的去爭取訴求歷史真相包含歷史還原給原住民的一個尊重這就是我們在過去到現在\n\n9\n00:03:19,341 --> 00:03:19,361\n﹚黃仁﹚\n\n10\n00:03:40,310 --> 00:04:08,315\n所以剛剛黃建豪一直談到的是社會住宅待會我要跟院長要談到社會住宅跟內政部我必須要請教內政部你們的回應跟社會住宅在全國裡面有沒有真正建蓋過原住民的專屬社會住宅今天我們不要被配給我們不要配給到配受原住民的社會住宅原因在哪裡第一\n\n11\n00:04:08,895 --> 00:04:38,004\n我們有原住民的所謂的群組群組的文化所以群組的話是群聚在一起的文化因為文化不同如果被受到在所建蓋的社會住宅裡面他就會被排擠因為我們的文化不同我們唱個上歌我們唱個我們16組的文化裡面我們唱個我們跳跳個舞\n\n12\n00:04:39,463 --> 00:04:47,121\n然後各族群裡面去發揚他的文化歷史的時候,隔壁的因為他是漢民族,不了解我們的文化,\n\n13\n00:04:48,267 --> 00:05:15,430\n我們總是被排擠在尊嚴上孩子在受教育的時候在尊嚴上在自尊上都會受損我們去思考一下從這個角度如果我們要培育我們的孩子我們希望我們的孩子要得到什麼更好的教育能夠在自尊尊嚴上能夠有更好的理念跟正確的觀念我們做父母的有責任社會有責任國家有責任\n\n14\n00:05:16,482 --> 00:05:19,293\n院長,你認為我講的有沒有道理?謝謝委員我始終認為啊\n\n15\n00:05:23,208 --> 00:05:50,942\n原住民族曾經是臺灣這塊土地上唯一的主人。你講得好,講得好。就歷史上來看,曾經是這塊土地上唯一的主人。經過這麼多年來,現在都是你我共同的家園。我們共同讓它進步,共同學習彼此的長處,共同來彌補過去在這塊土地上造成的所有的不公平。現在用種種的公共的政策,我們來做更多的協助,但是\n\n16\n00:05:51,957 --> 00:05:53,878\n好院長你剛剛前面講的我非常認同你對原住民的歷史的肯定\n\n17\n00:06:21,089 --> 00:06:35,329\n但從蔡英文公告全世界包含全國公開的道歉你依你的現在的行政院院長的高度你也認為有沒有道歉這個這個含義\n\n18\n00:06:37,321 --> 00:06:51,640\n你願不願意在這個地方跟全國的國人的原住民道歉?蔡前總統以總統的身份在向原住民族表示那就是一種國家基本的態度跟政策\n\n19\n00:06:52,261 --> 00:06:52,361\n希望能夠併進\n\n20\n00:07:20,523 --> 00:07:45,202\n因為原住民已經沒有時間再來一直訴求著就是說希望能改變我們的生活居住權包含土地土地的保障法希望是一直在陳述這樣的理由但是依你們的高度跟過去裡面對原住民的認同跟肯定跟懷疑歷史的時候也應該要並進進步推動我們\n\n21\n00:07:50,390 --> 00:08:14,129\n不分族群的生活條件包含他的教育環境跟居住環境應該要提升。這就是我們一直訴求的地方。社會主宰今天我看到你的對原住民的政策裡面當然這個也包含了內政部長你們提供給行政院長的一個報告那這邊就提到這個\n\n22\n00:08:17,236 --> 00:08:42,533\n看到你的在第13頁的部分雖然提到保障原住民主權利等內容且只有短短的六行的文字的帶過讓人看不出政府對原住民族人的重視現在針對這個院長的口頭報告內容以下有三點就叫我們的院長第一\n\n23\n00:08:43,960 --> 00:09:06,895\n20162016年蔡英文上任之後向原住民道歉請問院長你是否針對原住民土地及居住正義的問題在這個地方利用這個機會向原住民處人的道歉。第二在行政院院長施政報告中卻沒有談到如何落實原住民的居住正義可能內政部沒有給你報告這些項目原因\n\n24\n00:09:07,936 --> 00:09:36,622\n我們把內容基礎正義的這個項目告訴給大家原住民現在面臨的問題在哪裡在原住民的住宅法裡面第二條第三項目的事業主管機關原民會應視原住民主教育及語言文化等傳承文這個發展還有會同主管機關就是內政部新辦或獎勵民間新辦專攻原住民成都或社會住宅\n\n25\n00:09:37,422 --> 00:10:03,492\n第二、原住民族家庭自有住宅率76.66%,相對乃低於我國全體家庭的90.22%。第三、原鄉地區原住民自有住宅率約90%,但都會區原住民自有住宅率僅55%左右,較一般家庭房屋自有率\n\n26\n00:10:04,092 --> 00:10:25,072\n差距相當於31%到34%,這個就是在106年臺灣原住民主經濟狀況調查報告中差距高達42%,雖然以拉近差距但整體來講房租及房貸乃是原住民主任最大的經濟負擔來源。\n\n27\n00:10:26,860 --> 00:10:51,414\n所以今天我們要講的你們過去推動的這個社會住宅是非常很多人在各縣市裡面我曾經在台中市擔任過世界的議員當時對於產業經濟跟房地的衝擊如果你建蓋在它的產值最高的公高限值的土地裡面建蓋社會住宅很多人反對\n\n28\n00:10:53,175 --> 00:11:11,595\n韓國反對因為什麼衝擊他的價格跟公告限制所以他們認為社會住宅就是一般百姓給百姓住的社會住宅可是到最後呢最後人人都要社會住宅不管在他在哪一個這個\n\n29\n00:11:16,594 --> 00:11:24,632\n黃色袋裡面金黃袋裡面它的價格土地的價格在貴的地方蓋社會主宰沒有人反對為什麼\n\n30\n00:11:26,749 --> 00:11:26,769\n﹚黃仁\n\n31\n00:11:57,373 --> 00:12:21,702\n兩個地方第一叫志強新村的原地重建第二是花東新村的原地重建在臺中一個霧峰一個太平當時很多人懷疑那個地方建蓋之後會怎麼樣建蓋之後是一個變成一個特色從胡志強到林佳龍到盧秀燕當時他們認為那個地方原地重建會衝擊到\n\n32\n00:12:23,081 --> 00:12:30,175\n地方的這些產值或是這個文化的差異的不同可是後來呢變成一個特色\n\n33\n00:12:31,018 --> 00:13:00,462\n而且他們環境過得非常好而且有他們自己的自主的環境跟文化的傳承這就是我們今天要延伸到原住民的社會專屬社會住宅的概念希望能夠建蓋然後遍地在各縣市裡面建蓋原住民的專屬社會住宅融合16屬裡面能夠有自主的生活文化的傳承包含他的這些教育\n\n34\n00:13:01,263 --> 00:13:14,220\n都在裡面而且統一的照顧這就是我們社會要不要得正的行為以上部長我想請教一下有沒有有沒有機會\n\n35\n00:13:17,021 --> 00:13:38,562\n來做一個特別預算建蓋原住民的社會住宅。謝謝黃委員的指教。委員有提到所謂的原住民的居住正義有兩種,一個就是在山上的。在山上原鄉部落的話其實按照我們的國土計畫法所謂的一生一次,或者按照國土功能限地就可以完全有住宅使用。所以您剛剛提到的90%應該是根據國土計畫法推動的。\n\n36\n00:13:43,046 --> 00:13:56,956\n現在我不要去講這些,我現在要講的有沒有必要用特別預算而且特別專案,建蓋原住民的專屬社會住宅不要被配給,有沒有必要?\n\n37\n00:13:57,196 --> 00:14:23,576\n我先跟我委員回應一下第一個我們一定會來協助那這個呢您在推動的臺中市啊這個所謂的都會原住民裡面的專用社會住宅是臺中市政府在推動的那按照我們住宅法上面的目的事業主管機關也是我們在中央的原民會可以幫忙來推動沒關係我下次您聽我講完像你先提出你的細節的報告給我好不好還有原民會我今天我是勞過你一次因為你現在什麼都不懂\n\n38\n00:14:24,196 --> 00:14:47,356\n希望你下次我在問你的時候你每個都要懂。報告委員在住宅法裡面規定目的事業主管機關必須依照這個原住民族的語言文化等等去興建社會住宅。這是原民會的權證。我現在講原住民的身分法我們評估處的回歸來暫停一下我的時間然後播放一下影片這個是民國111年的7月26日\n\n39\n00:14:50,960 --> 00:15:08,749\n納平原反對平埔納平原現法法庭這個月28日即將開庭針對希拉雅族證明與納入平地原住民的案子進行釋憲就有部分的原住民團體跟議員出面反對平埔族因為經過400年來跟漢族群的\n\n40\n00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:38,767\n大量通婚大量的同化文化的融合在外觀上已經跟漢族群沒有任何差異我們認為他們在法律上欠缺保障的標的他們可以循這個正常的管道成立我們相關的這個事務單位這個平埔族的族群委員會那我想這個也不會排擠到現行的54萬原住民的所有的相關的權益未來相關制定的福利政策\n\n41\n00:15:40,418 --> 00:15:47,928\n應該要成民主的程序來進行才對而不是馬上就弄到憲法庭裡面\n\n42\n00:15:48,513 --> 00:16:12,970\n有13個法官來裁決一群來自臺南的希臘族人真的無法取得平地原住民身份提出行政訴訟更一審認為移民法有違憲之餘申請釋憲但就怕資源已經夠少的平地原住民在加入平埔族群會稀釋資源造成不公原住民團體呼籲大法官應該先請聽法定16族原住民的聲音登記小孩子或是登記我的媳婦或是登記我的\n\n43\n00:16:13,951 --> 00:16:14,612\n我反對他們進入但是雖然他們有紅話的話\n\n44\n00:16:32,583 --> 00:16:33,363\n我們時間很大。那個\n\n45\n00:17:02,486 --> 00:17:09,982\n希望他能夠成立一個評估組事務委員會,並照柯委員會的理想。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n12182\t21825\t有請我們左院長還有內政部長及園民會。來請左院長、內政部長、園民會主委請備詢。黃委員好。委員好。委員好。院長好。\n38976\t57758\t在本席第一次跟你對話,非常的榮幸。當然這個也是跟全國的族人來跟你對話。那我們就考究一下我們的歷史的脈絡。在民進黨至今的\n60707\t83773\t執政已經算第三次。臺灣原住民主的政民權、土地權、自治權三大訴求只完成不到二分之一。縱然民進黨在第一次取得政權後陳水扁總統及中華民國總統之尊以臺灣原住民簽訂\n85390\t97177\t原住民主與臺灣政府新夥伴關係及原住民與臺灣政府新的夥伴關係再肯定協定及原住民主與臺灣這個\n100663\t123850\t政府蔡英文執政之後以中華民國總統名義代表政府向原住民道歉並設置總統府原住民歷史正義與轉型正義委員會所以我念這一段就是要告訴給院長在過去我們很肯定的是陳水扁總統\n126984\t142940\t蔡英文總統針對我們的歷史正義來針對我們的原住民的定義已經釋出了一個善意跟肯定但後續的執行的這樣的一個\n145010\t169555\t動作是非常緩慢所以我們原住民的正名權或是原住民的正義權或什麼土地權之類現在還不到二分之一所以今天我講這個就是我們在臺灣我必須要再肯定的是臺灣真正的臺灣的主人就是原住民\n170370\t198601\t我們過去我們漢民主400年來牽涉到臺灣來但是有沒有尊重到我們真正臺灣的歷史跟原住民的定名是因為我們不斷的在這個時空背景在每一段的世紀裡面不斷的去爭取訴求歷史真相包含歷史還原給原住民的一個尊重這就是我們在過去到現在\n199341\t199361\t﹚黃仁﹚\n220310\t248315\t所以剛剛黃建豪一直談到的是社會住宅待會我要跟院長要談到社會住宅跟內政部我必須要請教內政部你們的回應跟社會住宅在全國裡面有沒有真正建蓋過原住民的專屬社會住宅今天我們不要被配給我們不要配給到配受原住民的社會住宅原因在哪裡第一\n248895\t278004\t我們有原住民的所謂的群組群組的文化所以群組的話是群聚在一起的文化因為文化不同如果被受到在所建蓋的社會住宅裡面他就會被排擠因為我們的文化不同我們唱個上歌我們唱個我們16組的文化裡面我們唱個我們跳跳個舞\n279463\t287121\t然後各族群裡面去發揚他的文化歷史的時候, 隔壁的因為他是漢民族,不了解我們的文化,\n288267\t315430\t我們總是被排擠在尊嚴上孩子在受教育的時候在尊嚴上在自尊上都會受損我們去思考一下從這個角度如果我們要培育我們的孩子我們希望我們的孩子要得到什麼更好的教育能夠在自尊尊嚴上能夠有更好的理念跟正確的觀念我們做父母的有責任社會有責任國家有責任\n316482\t319293\t院長,你認為我講的有沒有道理?謝謝委員我始終認為啊\n323208\t350942\t原住民族曾經是臺灣這塊土地上唯一的主人。 你講得好,講得好。 就歷史上來看,曾經是這塊土地上唯一的主人。經過這麼多年來,現在都是你我共同的家園。 我們共同讓它進步,共同學習彼此的長處,共同來彌補過去在這塊土地上造成的所有的不公平。 現在用種種的公共的政策,我們來做更多的協助,但是\n351957\t353878\t好 院長你剛剛前面講的我非常認同你對原住民的歷史的肯定\n381089\t395329\t但從蔡英文公告全世界包含全國公開的道歉你依你的現在的行政院院長的高度你也認為有沒有道歉這個這個含義\n397321\t411640\t你願不願意在這個地方跟全國的國人的原住民道歉?蔡前總統以總統的身份在向原住民族表示那就是一種國家基本的態度跟政策\n412261\t412361\t希望能夠併進\n440523\t465202\t因為原住民已經沒有時間再來一直訴求著就是說希望能改變我們的生活居住權包含土地土地的保障法希望是一直在陳述這樣的理由但是依你們的高度跟過去裡面對原住民的認同跟肯定跟懷疑歷史的時候也應該要並進進步推動我們\n470390\t494129\t不分族群的生活條件包含他的教育環境跟居住環境應該要提升。 這就是我們一直訴求的地方。 社會主宰今天我看到你的對原住民的政策裡面當然這個也包含了內政部長你們提供給行政院長的一個報告那這邊就提到這個\n497236\t522533\t看到你的在第13頁的部分雖然提到保障原住民主權利等內容且只有短短的六行的文字的帶過讓人看不出政府對原住民族人的重視現在針對這個院長的口頭報告內容以下有三點就叫我們的院長第一\n523960\t546895\t2016 2016年蔡英文上任之後向原住民道歉請問院長你是否針對原住民土地及居住正義的問題在這個地方利用這個機會向原住民處人的道歉。第二在行政院院長施政報告中卻沒有談到如何落實原住民的居住正義可能內政部沒有給你報告這些項目原因\n547936\t576622\t我們把內容基礎正義的這個項目告訴給大家原住民現在面臨的問題在哪裡在原住民的住宅法裡面第二條第三項目的事業主管機關原民會應視原住民主教育及語言文化等傳承文這個發展還有會同主管機關就是內政部新辦或獎勵民間新辦專攻原住民成都或社會住宅\n577422\t603492\t第二、原住民族家庭自有住宅率76.66%,相對乃低於我國全體家庭的90.22%。第三、原鄉地區原住民自有住宅率約90%,但都會區原住民自有住宅率僅55%左右,較一般家庭房屋自有率\n604092\t625072\t差距相當於31%到34%,這個就是在106年臺灣原住民主經濟狀況調查報告中差距高達42%,雖然以拉近差距但整體來講房租及房貸乃是原住民主任最大的經濟負擔來源。\n626860\t651414\t所以今天我們要講的你們過去推動的這個社會住宅是非常很多人在各縣市裡面我曾經在台中市擔任過世界的議員當時對於產業經濟跟房地的衝擊如果你建蓋在它的產值最高的公高限值的土地裡面建蓋社會住宅很多人反對\n653175\t671595\t韓國反對因為什麼衝擊他的價格跟公告限制所以他們認為社會住宅就是一般百姓給百姓住的社會住宅可是到最後呢最後人人都要社會住宅不管在他在哪一個這個\n676594\t684632\t黃色袋裡面金黃袋裡面它的價格土地的價格在貴的地方蓋社會主宰沒有人反對為什麼\n686749\t686769\t﹚黃仁\n717373\t741702\t兩個地方第一叫志強新村的原地重建第二是花東新村的原地重建在臺中一個霧峰一個太平當時很多人懷疑那個地方建蓋之後會怎麼樣建蓋之後是一個變成一個特色從胡志強到林佳龍到盧秀燕當時他們認為那個地方原地重建會衝擊到\n743081\t750175\t地方的這些產值或是這個文化的差異的不同可是後來呢變成一個特色\n751018\t780462\t而且他們環境過得非常好而且有他們自己的自主的環境跟文化的傳承這就是我們今天要延伸到原住民的社會專屬社會住宅的概念希望能夠建蓋然後遍地在各縣市裡面建蓋原住民的專屬社會住宅融合16屬裡面能夠有自主的生活文化的傳承包含他的這些教育\n781263\t794220\t都在裡面而且統一的照顧這就是我們社會要不要得正的行為以上部長我想請教一下有沒有有沒有機會\n797021\t818562\t來做一個特別預算建蓋原住民的社會住宅。謝謝黃委員的指教。委員有提到所謂的原住民的居住正義有兩種,一個就是在山上的。在山上原鄉部落的話其實按照我們的國土計畫法所謂的一生一次,或者按照國土功能限地就可以完全有住宅使用。所以您剛剛提到的90%應該是根據國土計畫法推動的。\n823046\t836956\t現在我不要去講這些,我現在要講的有沒有必要用特別預算而且特別專案,建蓋原住民的專屬社會住宅不要被配給,有沒有必要?\n837196\t863576\t我先跟我委員回應一下第一個我們一定會來協助那這個呢您在推動的臺中市啊這個所謂的都會原住民裡面的專用社會住宅是臺中市政府在推動的那按照我們住宅法上面的目的事業主管機關也是我們在中央的原民會可以幫忙來推動沒關係我下次您聽我講完像你先提出你的細節的報告給我好不好還有原民會我今天我是勞過你一次因為你現在什麼都不懂\n864196\t887356\t希望你下次我在問你的時候你每個都要懂。報告委員在住宅法裡面規定目的事業主管機關必須依照這個原住民族的語言文化等等去興建社會住宅。這是原民會的權證。我現在講原住民的身分法我們評估處的回歸來暫停一下我的時間然後播放一下影片這個是民國111年的7月26日\n890960\t908749\t納平原反對平埔納平原現法法庭這個月28日即將開庭針對希拉雅族證明與納入平地原住民的案子進行釋憲就有部分的原住民團體跟議員出面反對平埔族因為經過400年來跟漢族群的\n909520\t938767\t大量通婚大量的同化文化的融合在外觀上已經跟漢族群沒有任何差異我們認為他們在法律上欠缺保障的標的他們可以循這個正常的管道成立我們相關的這個事務單位這個平埔族的族群委員會那我想這個也不會排擠到現行的54萬原住民的所有的相關的權益未來相關制定的福利政策\n940418\t947928\t應該要成民主的程序來進行才對而不是馬上就弄到憲法庭裡面\n948513\t972970\t有13個法官來裁決一群來自臺南的希臘族人真的無法取得平地原住民身份提出行政訴訟更一審認為移民法有違憲之餘申請釋憲但就怕資源已經夠少的平地原住民在加入平埔族群會稀釋資源造成不公原住民團體呼籲大法官應該先請聽法定16族原住民的聲音登記小孩子或是登記我的媳婦或是登記我的\n973951\t974612\t我反對他們進入但是雖然他們有紅話的話\n992583\t993363\t我們時間很大。那個\n1022486\t1029982\t希望他能夠成立一個評估組事務委員會,並照柯委員會的理想。\n","txt":"有請我們左院長還有內政部長及園民會。來請左院長、內政部長、園民會主委請備詢。黃委員好。委員好。委員好。院長好。\n在本席第一次跟你對話,非常的榮幸。當然這個也是跟全國的族人來跟你對話。那我們就考究一下我們的歷史的脈絡。在民進黨至今的\n執政已經算第三次。臺灣原住民主的政民權、土地權、自治權三大訴求只完成不到二分之一。縱然民進黨在第一次取得政權後陳水扁總統及中華民國總統之尊以臺灣原住民簽訂\n原住民主與臺灣政府新夥伴關係及原住民與臺灣政府新的夥伴關係再肯定協定及原住民主與臺灣這個\n政府蔡英文執政之後以中華民國總統名義代表政府向原住民道歉並設置總統府原住民歷史正義與轉型正義委員會所以我念這一段就是要告訴給院長在過去我們很肯定的是陳水扁總統\n蔡英文總統針對我們的歷史正義來針對我們的原住民的定義已經釋出了一個善意跟肯定但後續的執行的這樣的一個\n動作是非常緩慢所以我們原住民的正名權或是原住民的正義權或什麼土地權之類現在還不到二分之一所以今天我講這個就是我們在臺灣我必須要再肯定的是臺灣真正的臺灣的主人就是原住民\n我們過去我們漢民主400年來牽涉到臺灣來但是有沒有尊重到我們真正臺灣的歷史跟原住民的定名是因為我們不斷的在這個時空背景在每一段的世紀裡面不斷的去爭取訴求歷史真相包含歷史還原給原住民的一個尊重這就是我們在過去到現在\n﹚黃仁﹚\n所以剛剛黃建豪一直談到的是社會住宅待會我要跟院長要談到社會住宅跟內政部我必須要請教內政部你們的回應跟社會住宅在全國裡面有沒有真正建蓋過原住民的專屬社會住宅今天我們不要被配給我們不要配給到配受原住民的社會住宅原因在哪裡第一\n我們有原住民的所謂的群組群組的文化所以群組的話是群聚在一起的文化因為文化不同如果被受到在所建蓋的社會住宅裡面他就會被排擠因為我們的文化不同我們唱個上歌我們唱個我們16組的文化裡面我們唱個我們跳跳個舞\n然後各族群裡面去發揚他的文化歷史的時候, 隔壁的因為他是漢民族,不了解我們的文化,\n我們總是被排擠在尊嚴上孩子在受教育的時候在尊嚴上在自尊上都會受損我們去思考一下從這個角度如果我們要培育我們的孩子我們希望我們的孩子要得到什麼更好的教育能夠在自尊尊嚴上能夠有更好的理念跟正確的觀念我們做父母的有責任社會有責任國家有責任\n院長,你認為我講的有沒有道理?謝謝委員我始終認為啊\n原住民族曾經是臺灣這塊土地上唯一的主人。 你講得好,講得好。 就歷史上來看,曾經是這塊土地上唯一的主人。經過這麼多年來,現在都是你我共同的家園。 我們共同讓它進步,共同學習彼此的長處,共同來彌補過去在這塊土地上造成的所有的不公平。 現在用種種的公共的政策,我們來做更多的協助,但是\n好 院長你剛剛前面講的我非常認同你對原住民的歷史的肯定\n但從蔡英文公告全世界包含全國公開的道歉你依你的現在的行政院院長的高度你也認為有沒有道歉這個這個含義\n你願不願意在這個地方跟全國的國人的原住民道歉?蔡前總統以總統的身份在向原住民族表示那就是一種國家基本的態度跟政策\n希望能夠併進\n因為原住民已經沒有時間再來一直訴求著就是說希望能改變我們的生活居住權包含土地土地的保障法希望是一直在陳述這樣的理由但是依你們的高度跟過去裡面對原住民的認同跟肯定跟懷疑歷史的時候也應該要並進進步推動我們\n不分族群的生活條件包含他的教育環境跟居住環境應該要提升。 這就是我們一直訴求的地方。 社會主宰今天我看到你的對原住民的政策裡面當然這個也包含了內政部長你們提供給行政院長的一個報告那這邊就提到這個\n看到你的在第13頁的部分雖然提到保障原住民主權利等內容且只有短短的六行的文字的帶過讓人看不出政府對原住民族人的重視現在針對這個院長的口頭報告內容以下有三點就叫我們的院長第一\n2016 2016年蔡英文上任之後向原住民道歉請問院長你是否針對原住民土地及居住正義的問題在這個地方利用這個機會向原住民處人的道歉。第二在行政院院長施政報告中卻沒有談到如何落實原住民的居住正義可能內政部沒有給你報告這些項目原因\n我們把內容基礎正義的這個項目告訴給大家原住民現在面臨的問題在哪裡在原住民的住宅法裡面第二條第三項目的事業主管機關原民會應視原住民主教育及語言文化等傳承文這個發展還有會同主管機關就是內政部新辦或獎勵民間新辦專攻原住民成都或社會住宅\n第二、原住民族家庭自有住宅率76.66%,相對乃低於我國全體家庭的90.22%。第三、原鄉地區原住民自有住宅率約90%,但都會區原住民自有住宅率僅55%左右,較一般家庭房屋自有率\n差距相當於31%到34%,這個就是在106年臺灣原住民主經濟狀況調查報告中差距高達42%,雖然以拉近差距但整體來講房租及房貸乃是原住民主任最大的經濟負擔來源。\n所以今天我們要講的你們過去推動的這個社會住宅是非常很多人在各縣市裡面我曾經在台中市擔任過世界的議員當時對於產業經濟跟房地的衝擊如果你建蓋在它的產值最高的公高限值的土地裡面建蓋社會住宅很多人反對\n韓國反對因為什麼衝擊他的價格跟公告限制所以他們認為社會住宅就是一般百姓給百姓住的社會住宅可是到最後呢最後人人都要社會住宅不管在他在哪一個這個\n黃色袋裡面金黃袋裡面它的價格土地的價格在貴的地方蓋社會主宰沒有人反對為什麼\n﹚黃仁\n兩個地方第一叫志強新村的原地重建第二是花東新村的原地重建在臺中一個霧峰一個太平當時很多人懷疑那個地方建蓋之後會怎麼樣建蓋之後是一個變成一個特色從胡志強到林佳龍到盧秀燕當時他們認為那個地方原地重建會衝擊到\n地方的這些產值或是這個文化的差異的不同可是後來呢變成一個特色\n而且他們環境過得非常好而且有他們自己的自主的環境跟文化的傳承這就是我們今天要延伸到原住民的社會專屬社會住宅的概念希望能夠建蓋然後遍地在各縣市裡面建蓋原住民的專屬社會住宅融合16屬裡面能夠有自主的生活文化的傳承包含他的這些教育\n都在裡面而且統一的照顧這就是我們社會要不要得正的行為以上部長我想請教一下有沒有有沒有機會\n來做一個特別預算建蓋原住民的社會住宅。謝謝黃委員的指教。委員有提到所謂的原住民的居住正義有兩種,一個就是在山上的。在山上原鄉部落的話其實按照我們的國土計畫法所謂的一生一次,或者按照國土功能限地就可以完全有住宅使用。所以您剛剛提到的90%應該是根據國土計畫法推動的。\n現在我不要去講這些,我現在要講的有沒有必要用特別預算而且特別專案,建蓋原住民的專屬社會住宅不要被配給,有沒有必要?\n我先跟我委員回應一下第一個我們一定會來協助那這個呢您在推動的臺中市啊這個所謂的都會原住民裡面的專用社會住宅是臺中市政府在推動的那按照我們住宅法上面的目的事業主管機關也是我們在中央的原民會可以幫忙來推動沒關係我下次您聽我講完像你先提出你的細節的報告給我好不好還有原民會我今天我是勞過你一次因為你現在什麼都不懂\n希望你下次我在問你的時候你每個都要懂。報告委員在住宅法裡面規定目的事業主管機關必須依照這個原住民族的語言文化等等去興建社會住宅。這是原民會的權證。我現在講原住民的身分法我們評估處的回歸來暫停一下我的時間然後播放一下影片這個是民國111年的7月26日\n納平原反對平埔納平原現法法庭這個月28日即將開庭針對希拉雅族證明與納入平地原住民的案子進行釋憲就有部分的原住民團體跟議員出面反對平埔族因為經過400年來跟漢族群的\n大量通婚大量的同化文化的融合在外觀上已經跟漢族群沒有任何差異我們認為他們在法律上欠缺保障的標的他們可以循這個正常的管道成立我們相關的這個事務單位這個平埔族的族群委員會那我想這個也不會排擠到現行的54萬原住民的所有的相關的權益未來相關制定的福利政策\n應該要成民主的程序來進行才對而不是馬上就弄到憲法庭裡面\n有13個法官來裁決一群來自臺南的希臘族人真的無法取得平地原住民身份提出行政訴訟更一審認為移民法有違憲之餘申請釋憲但就怕資源已經夠少的平地原住民在加入平埔族群會稀釋資源造成不公原住民團體呼籲大法官應該先請聽法定16族原住民的聲音登記小孩子或是登記我的媳婦或是登記我的\n我反對他們進入但是雖然他們有紅話的話\n我們時間很大。那個\n希望他能夠成立一個評估組事務委員會,並照柯委員會的理想。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:12.182 --> 00:21.825\n有請我們左院長還有內政部長及園民會。來請左院長、內政部長、園民會主委請備詢。黃委員好。委員好。委員好。院長好。\n\n00:38.976 --> 00:57.758\n在本席第一次跟你對話,非常的榮幸。當然這個也是跟全國的族人來跟你對話。那我們就考究一下我們的歷史的脈絡。在民進黨至今的\n\n01:00.707 --> 01:23.773\n執政已經算第三次。臺灣原住民主的政民權、土地權、自治權三大訴求只完成不到二分之一。縱然民進黨在第一次取得政權後陳水扁總統及中華民國總統之尊以臺灣原住民簽訂\n\n01:25.390 --> 01:37.177\n原住民主與臺灣政府新夥伴關係及原住民與臺灣政府新的夥伴關係再肯定協定及原住民主與臺灣這個\n\n01:40.663 --> 02:03.850\n政府蔡英文執政之後以中華民國總統名義代表政府向原住民道歉並設置總統府原住民歷史正義與轉型正義委員會所以我念這一段就是要告訴給院長在過去我們很肯定的是陳水扁總統\n\n02:06.984 --> 02:22.940\n蔡英文總統針對我們的歷史正義來針對我們的原住民的定義已經釋出了一個善意跟肯定但後續的執行的這樣的一個\n\n02:25.010 --> 02:49.555\n動作是非常緩慢所以我們原住民的正名權或是原住民的正義權或什麼土地權之類現在還不到二分之一所以今天我講這個就是我們在臺灣我必須要再肯定的是臺灣真正的臺灣的主人就是原住民\n\n02:50.370 --> 03:18.601\n我們過去我們漢民主400年來牽涉到臺灣來但是有沒有尊重到我們真正臺灣的歷史跟原住民的定名是因為我們不斷的在這個時空背景在每一段的世紀裡面不斷的去爭取訴求歷史真相包含歷史還原給原住民的一個尊重這就是我們在過去到現在\n\n03:19.341 --> 03:19.361\n﹚黃仁﹚\n\n03:40.310 --> 04:08.315\n所以剛剛黃建豪一直談到的是社會住宅待會我要跟院長要談到社會住宅跟內政部我必須要請教內政部你們的回應跟社會住宅在全國裡面有沒有真正建蓋過原住民的專屬社會住宅今天我們不要被配給我們不要配給到配受原住民的社會住宅原因在哪裡第一\n\n04:08.895 --> 04:38.004\n我們有原住民的所謂的群組群組的文化所以群組的話是群聚在一起的文化因為文化不同如果被受到在所建蓋的社會住宅裡面他就會被排擠因為我們的文化不同我們唱個上歌我們唱個我們16組的文化裡面我們唱個我們跳跳個舞\n\n04:39.463 --> 04:47.121\n然後各族群裡面去發揚他的文化歷史的時候,隔壁的因為他是漢民族,不了解我們的文化,\n\n04:48.267 --> 05:15.430\n我們總是被排擠在尊嚴上孩子在受教育的時候在尊嚴上在自尊上都會受損我們去思考一下從這個角度如果我們要培育我們的孩子我們希望我們的孩子要得到什麼更好的教育能夠在自尊尊嚴上能夠有更好的理念跟正確的觀念我們做父母的有責任社會有責任國家有責任\n\n05:16.482 --> 05:19.293\n院長,你認為我講的有沒有道理?謝謝委員我始終認為啊\n\n05:23.208 --> 05:50.942\n原住民族曾經是臺灣這塊土地上唯一的主人。你講得好,講得好。就歷史上來看,曾經是這塊土地上唯一的主人。經過這麼多年來,現在都是你我共同的家園。我們共同讓它進步,共同學習彼此的長處,共同來彌補過去在這塊土地上造成的所有的不公平。現在用種種的公共的政策,我們來做更多的協助,但是\n\n05:51.957 --> 05:53.878\n好院長你剛剛前面講的我非常認同你對原住民的歷史的肯定\n\n06:21.089 --> 06:35.329\n但從蔡英文公告全世界包含全國公開的道歉你依你的現在的行政院院長的高度你也認為有沒有道歉這個這個含義\n\n06:37.321 --> 06:51.640\n你願不願意在這個地方跟全國的國人的原住民道歉?蔡前總統以總統的身份在向原住民族表示那就是一種國家基本的態度跟政策\n\n06:52.261 --> 06:52.361\n希望能夠併進\n\n07:20.523 --> 07:45.202\n因為原住民已經沒有時間再來一直訴求著就是說希望能改變我們的生活居住權包含土地土地的保障法希望是一直在陳述這樣的理由但是依你們的高度跟過去裡面對原住民的認同跟肯定跟懷疑歷史的時候也應該要並進進步推動我們\n\n07:50.390 --> 08:14.129\n不分族群的生活條件包含他的教育環境跟居住環境應該要提升。這就是我們一直訴求的地方。社會主宰今天我看到你的對原住民的政策裡面當然這個也包含了內政部長你們提供給行政院長的一個報告那這邊就提到這個\n\n08:17.236 --> 08:42.533\n看到你的在第13頁的部分雖然提到保障原住民主權利等內容且只有短短的六行的文字的帶過讓人看不出政府對原住民族人的重視現在針對這個院長的口頭報告內容以下有三點就叫我們的院長第一\n\n08:43.960 --> 09:06.895\n20162016年蔡英文上任之後向原住民道歉請問院長你是否針對原住民土地及居住正義的問題在這個地方利用這個機會向原住民處人的道歉。第二在行政院院長施政報告中卻沒有談到如何落實原住民的居住正義可能內政部沒有給你報告這些項目原因\n\n09:07.936 --> 09:36.622\n我們把內容基礎正義的這個項目告訴給大家原住民現在面臨的問題在哪裡在原住民的住宅法裡面第二條第三項目的事業主管機關原民會應視原住民主教育及語言文化等傳承文這個發展還有會同主管機關就是內政部新辦或獎勵民間新辦專攻原住民成都或社會住宅\n\n09:37.422 --> 10:03.492\n第二、原住民族家庭自有住宅率76.66%,相對乃低於我國全體家庭的90.22%。第三、原鄉地區原住民自有住宅率約90%,但都會區原住民自有住宅率僅55%左右,較一般家庭房屋自有率\n\n10:04.092 --> 10:25.072\n差距相當於31%到34%,這個就是在106年臺灣原住民主經濟狀況調查報告中差距高達42%,雖然以拉近差距但整體來講房租及房貸乃是原住民主任最大的經濟負擔來源。\n\n10:26.860 --> 10:51.414\n所以今天我們要講的你們過去推動的這個社會住宅是非常很多人在各縣市裡面我曾經在台中市擔任過世界的議員當時對於產業經濟跟房地的衝擊如果你建蓋在它的產值最高的公高限值的土地裡面建蓋社會住宅很多人反對\n\n10:53.175 --> 11:11.595\n韓國反對因為什麼衝擊他的價格跟公告限制所以他們認為社會住宅就是一般百姓給百姓住的社會住宅可是到最後呢最後人人都要社會住宅不管在他在哪一個這個\n\n11:16.594 --> 11:24.632\n黃色袋裡面金黃袋裡面它的價格土地的價格在貴的地方蓋社會主宰沒有人反對為什麼\n\n11:26.749 --> 11:26.769\n﹚黃仁\n\n11:57.373 --> 12:21.702\n兩個地方第一叫志強新村的原地重建第二是花東新村的原地重建在臺中一個霧峰一個太平當時很多人懷疑那個地方建蓋之後會怎麼樣建蓋之後是一個變成一個特色從胡志強到林佳龍到盧秀燕當時他們認為那個地方原地重建會衝擊到\n\n12:23.081 --> 12:30.175\n地方的這些產值或是這個文化的差異的不同可是後來呢變成一個特色\n\n12:31.018 --> 13:00.462\n而且他們環境過得非常好而且有他們自己的自主的環境跟文化的傳承這就是我們今天要延伸到原住民的社會專屬社會住宅的概念希望能夠建蓋然後遍地在各縣市裡面建蓋原住民的專屬社會住宅融合16屬裡面能夠有自主的生活文化的傳承包含他的這些教育\n\n13:01.263 --> 13:14.220\n都在裡面而且統一的照顧這就是我們社會要不要得正的行為以上部長我想請教一下有沒有有沒有機會\n\n13:17.021 --> 13:38.562\n來做一個特別預算建蓋原住民的社會住宅。謝謝黃委員的指教。委員有提到所謂的原住民的居住正義有兩種,一個就是在山上的。在山上原鄉部落的話其實按照我們的國土計畫法所謂的一生一次,或者按照國土功能限地就可以完全有住宅使用。所以您剛剛提到的90%應該是根據國土計畫法推動的。\n\n13:43.046 --> 13:56.956\n現在我不要去講這些,我現在要講的有沒有必要用特別預算而且特別專案,建蓋原住民的專屬社會住宅不要被配給,有沒有必要?\n\n13:57.196 --> 14:23.576\n我先跟我委員回應一下第一個我們一定會來協助那這個呢您在推動的臺中市啊這個所謂的都會原住民裡面的專用社會住宅是臺中市政府在推動的那按照我們住宅法上面的目的事業主管機關也是我們在中央的原民會可以幫忙來推動沒關係我下次您聽我講完像你先提出你的細節的報告給我好不好還有原民會我今天我是勞過你一次因為你現在什麼都不懂\n\n14:24.196 --> 14:47.356\n希望你下次我在問你的時候你每個都要懂。報告委員在住宅法裡面規定目的事業主管機關必須依照這個原住民族的語言文化等等去興建社會住宅。這是原民會的權證。我現在講原住民的身分法我們評估處的回歸來暫停一下我的時間然後播放一下影片這個是民國111年的7月26日\n\n14:50.960 --> 15:08.749\n納平原反對平埔納平原現法法庭這個月28日即將開庭針對希拉雅族證明與納入平地原住民的案子進行釋憲就有部分的原住民團體跟議員出面反對平埔族因為經過400年來跟漢族群的\n\n15:09.520 --> 15:38.767\n大量通婚大量的同化文化的融合在外觀上已經跟漢族群沒有任何差異我們認為他們在法律上欠缺保障的標的他們可以循這個正常的管道成立我們相關的這個事務單位這個平埔族的族群委員會那我想這個也不會排擠到現行的54萬原住民的所有的相關的權益未來相關制定的福利政策\n\n15:40.418 --> 15:47.928\n應該要成民主的程序來進行才對而不是馬上就弄到憲法庭裡面\n\n15:48.513 --> 16:12.970\n有13個法官來裁決一群來自臺南的希臘族人真的無法取得平地原住民身份提出行政訴訟更一審認為移民法有違憲之餘申請釋憲但就怕資源已經夠少的平地原住民在加入平埔族群會稀釋資源造成不公原住民團體呼籲大法官應該先請聽法定16族原住民的聲音登記小孩子或是登記我的媳婦或是登記我的\n\n16:13.951 --> 16:14.612\n我反對他們進入但是雖然他們有紅話的話\n\n16:32.583 --> 16:33.363\n我們時間很大。那個\n\n17:02.486 --> 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隔壁的因為他是漢民族,不了解我們的文化,"},{"start":288.267,"end":315.43,"text":"我們總是被排擠在尊嚴上孩子在受教育的時候在尊嚴上在自尊上都會受損我們去思考一下從這個角度如果我們要培育我們的孩子我們希望我們的孩子要得到什麼更好的教育能夠在自尊尊嚴上能夠有更好的理念跟正確的觀念我們做父母的有責任社會有責任國家有責任"},{"start":316.482,"end":319.293,"text":"院長,你認為我講的有沒有道理?謝謝委員我始終認為啊"},{"start":323.208,"end":350.942,"text":"原住民族曾經是臺灣這塊土地上唯一的主人。 你講得好,講得好。 就歷史上來看,曾經是這塊土地上唯一的主人。經過這麼多年來,現在都是你我共同的家園。 我們共同讓它進步,共同學習彼此的長處,共同來彌補過去在這塊土地上造成的所有的不公平。 現在用種種的公共的政策,我們來做更多的協助,但是"},{"start":351.957,"end":353.878,"text":"好 院長你剛剛前面講的我非常認同你對原住民的歷史的肯定"},{"start":381.089,"end":395.329,"text":"但從蔡英文公告全世界包含全國公開的道歉你依你的現在的行政院院長的高度你也認為有沒有道歉這個這個含義"},{"start":397.321,"end":411.64,"text":"你願不願意在這個地方跟全國的國人的原住民道歉?蔡前總統以總統的身份在向原住民族表示那就是一種國家基本的態度跟政策"},{"start":412.261,"end":412.361,"text":"希望能夠併進"},{"start":440.523,"end":465.202,"text":"因為原住民已經沒有時間再來一直訴求著就是說希望能改變我們的生活居住權包含土地土地的保障法希望是一直在陳述這樣的理由但是依你們的高度跟過去裡面對原住民的認同跟肯定跟懷疑歷史的時候也應該要並進進步推動我們"},{"start":470.39,"end":494.129,"text":"不分族群的生活條件包含他的教育環境跟居住環境應該要提升。 這就是我們一直訴求的地方。 社會主宰今天我看到你的對原住民的政策裡面當然這個也包含了內政部長你們提供給行政院長的一個報告那這邊就提到這個"},{"start":497.236,"end":522.533,"text":"看到你的在第13頁的部分雖然提到保障原住民主權利等內容且只有短短的六行的文字的帶過讓人看不出政府對原住民族人的重視現在針對這個院長的口頭報告內容以下有三點就叫我們的院長第一"},{"start":523.96,"end":546.895,"text":"2016 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