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00:01:26,002\n原住民的土地很多是在森林區,過去行政部會常常有提到零下經濟外還有林業經濟的問題,我們今天就要來談一談林業經濟。\n\n5\n00:01:32,790 --> 00:01:50,691\n可是呢在這個民國78年全面禁止采伐天然林之後呢加上民國80年的臺灣森林經營管理的方案政府已經倡導2、30年不砍樹那但是呢這完全不砍樹是真的是好事嗎?\n\n6\n00:01:52,185 --> 00:02:12,451\n我們有這個新的省思那林業署署長林華慶在2017年就曾經發表文章表示人工林的部分應該要適度的砍伐那過去那麼久的時間不砍樹導致我們林業的技術人才凋零那整個林業市場是萎縮的\n\n7\n00:02:13,772 --> 00:02:37,194\n臺灣現在林木的自給率只剩下1%多（所以林業署在兩年前有提出希望發展國產材的施政目標（在2027年希望國內自給率可以達到5%（在原住民保留地有相當的面積其實都是竹林（\n\n8\n00:02:38,595 --> 00:03:06,749\n竹子其實它有100多種用途是相當好的相當棒的一個植物那竹子的部分呢林業署在兩年前呢它有推動這個新興竹產的新興竹產業發展計畫的這個10年中長城計畫就是希望發展臺灣的林業經濟所以森林完全不砍伐對森林的健康不是件好事情\n\n9\n00:03:07,529 --> 00:03:34,171\n那當然前面的這個10年的這個中長城計畫﹖其實對原住民是相當有幫助的﹖因為畢竟我剛剛有提過我們其實元寶地﹖很多相當的面積其實都是竹林喔﹖所以我希望這個發展國產財﹖不要再只是農業部的一個目標而已﹖我們應該要有具體的規劃﹖而且不單單只是竹產業而已喔﹖希望說有個這個中長城的計畫﹖振興整個林業經濟的市場﹖\n\n10\n00:03:37,413 --> 00:03:55,527\n我們開闢這個市場的需求提升相關的技術然後再結合這個森林的固碳造林獎勵還有淨法補償等等這些政策才能打造林業經濟在生產加工還有這個市場整個完整的一個產業鏈\n\n11\n00:04:37,825 --> 00:04:42,211\n（6月25日（6月25日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。（6月25日（6月25日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。（6月25日（6月25日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。（6月25日（6月25日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n\n12\n00:04:54,025 --> 00:05:15,041\n因為只有農業部有這個專業可以來協助發展林業市場來提高這個林業技術那我想請教院長是不是我們今天在這邊可以請這個農業部好好來會同這個園民會來支持我這個想法然後提出一個期程一個看什麼樣的計畫\n\n13\n00:05:16,042 --> 00:05:41,447\n我先報告一下委員,我想這個非常謝謝委員的指教那我目前正在跟農業部就這個剛才講這個方面是不是在林下經濟還有一些森林保育方面我們多做一些努力不要說只有等著再領精華補償金我們還可以再多做一些事的話那這個還沒有成熟我們還一次兩次要跟這個農業部來討論希望他能夠趕快來\n\n14\n00:05:44,027 --> 00:06:10,904\n這是我在這次進法補償我們修法過之後的一個省思。當然我有提案但是我更希望在我們既有的補助之下額外在有限可以利用的部分土地之內我們額外再創造更多的經濟價值讓族人有更好的收入這是我的用意。\n\n15\n00:06:12,765 --> 00:06:29,800\n接下來我另外也要請內政部部長上臺相信院長在過去有去過好幾次的原鄉部落我們最近一次我們也去了秀林鄉也去了新城鄉\n\n16\n00:06:32,786 --> 00:06:55,617\n主委,您可能也要留步一下。雖然主要要問內政部,但也請原民會主委這個問題要留意聽。我們原鄉部落的生活其實非常純樸,相當可愛。經濟模式也相對單純。在部落裡,如果你穿梭在這個部落當中,\n\n17\n00:07:14,446 --> 00:07:28,462\n院長,你們千萬不要小看這個部落的小吃麵店,因為這個麵店他可能照顧了就是長期在外工作的,父母長期在外工作的,但是孩子留在部落。\n\n18\n00:07:53,553 --> 00:08:20,731\n在這樣的一個可愛的原鄉的經濟模式在我們國土計劃法通過之後依照第11條的規定應該要照原基法第21條的規定訂定了這個原住民族土地及海域管制規定凡在105年5月1日前已經存在的建物未來國土計劃法上路之後土地都將變成了建築用地\n\n19\n00:08:21,331 --> 00:08:45,387\n那麼解決原鄉長期建地不足的問題這是雖然說可以變成建地的目前只有限制在這個居住使用所以這些單純經營麵攤小吃店的原住民他們這些小店面可能就只是在\n\n20\n00:08:46,508 --> 00:08:46,548\n（6月13日（\n\n21\n00:09:04,745 --> 00:09:19,473\n我們賴清德總統2024年的競選政見總統希望尊重並依照原住民族的生活模式去制定原住民族土地使用的管制規則所謂的生活模式絕對不是只有居住這麼狹隘\n\n22\n00:09:59,206 --> 00:10:03,727\n謝謝委員。剛剛您說的這個麵攤、小吃店、雜貨店,它都很可能是我們政府在偏鄉地區還沒有觸及到的一個社會安全網的一環。\n\n23\n00:10:49,914 --> 00:11:17,555\n原民會跟內政部將來都必須做跨部會的很多的聯繫的。所以接下來就是說原民會跟內政部在討論這些土地管制規則的時候呢也希望部長內政部長這邊可以多多幫忙幫我們來解決這些問題而不是就是說讓新的規劃消滅了部落族人的生計還有快樂的這個共同回憶那我做這樣子的請求那\n\n24\n00:11:18,856 --> 00:11:46,114\n請部長回座我接下來就是說現在最後一個問題其實院長今天這個問題是我在這邊質詢的第四次那從這個兩年多前我就開始在推動這個政策已經歷經三位行政院長我希望這件事情可以在卓院長的手中完成畫下完美的據點就差您這麼臨門一腳\n\n25\n00:11:48,695 --> 00:12:13,425\n政府在歸還原住民土地的政策上有不斷的滾動檢討。但是因為政府的規定限制了這個原保地的流通性,導致我們就算有這個具有高經濟價值的原保地,銀行仍不願意把這個我們的原保地視為一個擔保品。所以我一直不斷的努力了非常久,終於我們協調出一個完整的規劃。\n\n26\n00:12:14,565 --> 00:12:25,011\n那請教一下園民會這個規劃呢要請你們研擬這個貸款要點到底什麼時候可以完成\n\n27\n00:12:26,206 --> 00:12:28,128\n你還需要．你們還需要多久的時間?．陳瑩\n\n28\n00:12:46,905 --> 00:12:46,925\n是﹖\n\n29\n00:13:06,500 --> 00:13:22,018\n好,那今天那個在院長面前也做了這樣子的宣誓,我們要點7月底一定要申出來。好,再來...總統委員這個有必要再跟金融單位去處理一下,因為他們現在對於這個移產對象的限定,\n\n30\n00:13:55,084 --> 00:14:10,158\n一個單位就是這個公股銀行點頭承辦那在整個這個協調的這個過程其實臺銀都有參與那臺銀截至目前為止他們當然仍然維持一個不置可否\n\n31\n00:14:10,618 --> 00:14:30,273\n指說可不可以多幾間銀行一起來承辦﹖這句話透露了一個玄機表示他們不是不能辦而且還可以大家一起來辦那只是說我覺得說這個公股銀行在配合政府政策之下應該要勇於認識當然我們現在因為現在所有的配套所有規定我們都規劃好了\n\n32\n00:14:32,535 --> 00:14:58,744\n但是就是說我們當然一個事辦現在是從事辦開始做所以我們找一家嘛沒有一下子找八家嘛因為萬一大家都不願意好好試試看直接八家聯合說全部不行這樣我也是不樂於看到所以我們還是拜託台銀那今天就是說請院長開個金口是不是都已經在規劃好的前提那院長才是我們就從台銀開始承接這個業務\n\n33\n00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:26,649\n我會請主委積極的聯絡來關注來協助因為原民會他沒有辦法所以在經過長期的協調我只是在這邊特別再請這個院長可以出面開個金口再不然可能又下一次我又質詢說您是第4位第4任的這個院長了我想這件事情真的就是差台銀這個部分那我們就\n\n34\n00:15:27,970 --> 00:15:31,739\n來示範一下吧,因為就從一間開始示範嘛。﹖我們會來溝通來處理﹖好,謝謝院長,謝謝。﹖謝謝委員,謝謝。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n12702\t22290\t麻煩請院長以及園民會主委。我們請左院長費詢,還有園民會主委費詢。參議員好。\n31441\t57399\t委員長好 主委好那在這個禁法補償我們就是說目前禁法補償的這些面積呢截至目前為止統計大概有7萬多公頃其實這些土地呢有很多其實是可以再進行其他的這個林業以及農業的利用而且呢這些林業與農業的這個發展利用的價值呢\n60541\t63523\t（6月25日（6月25日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。（6月25日（6月25日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。（6月25日（6月25日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n78952\t86002\t原住民的土地很多是在森林區,過去行政部會常常有提到零下經濟外還有林業經濟的問題,我們今天就要來談一談林業經濟。\n92790\t110691\t可是呢在這個民國78年全面禁止采伐天然林之後呢加上民國80年的臺灣森林經營管理的方案政府已經倡導2、30年不砍樹那但是呢這完全不砍樹是真的是好事嗎?\n112185\t132451\t我們有這個新的省思那林業署署長林華慶在2017年就曾經發表文章表示人工林的部分應該要適度的砍伐那過去那麼久的時間不砍樹導致我們林業的技術人才凋零那整個林業市場是萎縮的\n133772\t157194\t臺灣現在林木的自給率只剩下1%多（所以林業署在兩年前有提出希望發展國產材的施政目標（在2027年希望國內自給率可以達到5%（在原住民保留地有相當的面積其實都是竹林（\n158595\t186749\t竹子其實它有100多種用途是相當好的相當棒的一個植物那竹子的部分呢林業署在兩年前呢它有推動這個新興竹產的新興竹產業發展計畫的這個10年中長城計畫就是希望發展臺灣的林業經濟所以森林完全不砍伐對森林的健康不是件好事情\n187529\t214171\t那當然前面的這個10年的這個中長城計畫﹖其實對原住民是相當有幫助的﹖因為畢竟我剛剛有提過我們其實元寶地﹖很多相當的面積其實都是竹林喔﹖所以我希望這個發展國產財﹖不要再只是農業部的一個目標而已﹖我們應該要有具體的規劃﹖而且不單單只是竹產業而已喔﹖希望說有個這個中長城的計畫﹖振興整個林業經濟的市場﹖\n217413\t235527\t我們開闢這個市場的需求提升相關的技術然後再結合這個森林的固碳造林獎勵還有淨法補償等等這些政策才能打造林業經濟在生產加工還有這個市場整個完整的一個產業鏈\n236988\t252108\t﹚陳瑩﹚\n252108\t277705\t﹚陳瑩﹚\n277825\t282211\t（6月25日（6月25日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。（6月25日（6月25日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。（6月25日（6月25日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。（6月25日（6月25日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n294025\t315041\t因為只有農業部有這個專業可以來協助發展林業市場來提高這個林業技術那我想請教院長是不是我們今天在這邊可以請這個農業部好好來會同這個園民會來支持我這個想法然後提出一個期程一個看什麼樣的計畫\n316042\t341447\t我先報告一下委員,我想這個非常謝謝委員的指教那我目前正在跟農業部就這個剛才講這個方面是不是在林下經濟還有一些森林保育方面我們多做一些努力不要說只有等著再領精華補償金我們還可以再多做一些事的話那這個還沒有成熟我們還一次兩次要跟這個農業部來討論希望他能夠趕快來\n344027\t370904\t這是我在這次進法補償我們修法過之後的一個省思。當然我有提案但是我更希望在我們既有的補助之下額外在有限可以利用的部分土地之內我們額外再創造更多的經濟價值讓族人有更好的收入這是我的用意。\n372765\t389800\t接下來我另外也要請內政部部長上臺相信院長在過去有去過好幾次的原鄉部落我們最近一次我們也去了秀林鄉也去了新城鄉\n392786\t415617\t主委,您可能也要留步一下。雖然主要要問內政部,但也請原民會主委這個問題要留意聽。我們原鄉部落的生活其實非常純樸,相當可愛。經濟模式也相對單純。在部落裡,如果你穿梭在這個部落當中,\n416357\t434326\t﹏﹏﹏﹏﹏﹏\n434446\t448462\t院長,你們千萬不要小看這個部落的小吃麵店,因為這個麵店他可能照顧了就是長期在外工作的,父母長期在外工作的,但是孩子留在部落。\n449343\t473353\t﹚陳瑩﹚陳瑩﹚\n473553\t500731\t在這樣的一個可愛的原鄉的經濟模式在我們國土計劃法通過之後依照第11條的規定應該要照原基法第21條的規定訂定了這個原住民族土地及海域管制規定凡在105年5月1日前已經存在的建物未來國土計劃法上路之後土地都將變成了建築用地\n501331\t525387\t那麼解決原鄉長期建地不足的問題這是雖然說可以變成建地的目前只有限制在這個居住使用所以這些單純經營麵攤小吃店的原住民他們這些小店面可能就只是在\n526508\t526548\t（6月13日（\n544745\t559473\t我們賴清德總統2024年的競選政見總統希望尊重並依照原住民族的生活模式去制定原住民族土地使用的管制規則所謂的生活模式絕對不是只有居住這麼狹隘\n560794\t576237\t﹚陳瑩﹚\n576237\t599206\t﹚陳瑩﹚陳瑩﹚陳瑩\n599206\t603727\t謝謝委員。剛剛您說的這個麵攤、小吃店、雜貨店,它都很可能是我們政府在偏鄉地區還沒有觸及到的一個社會安全網的一環。\n622534\t649514\t﹚陳瑩﹚\n649914\t677555\t原民會跟內政部將來都必須做跨部會的很多的聯繫的。所以接下來就是說原民會跟內政部在討論這些土地管制規則的時候呢也希望部長內政部長這邊可以多多幫忙幫我們來解決這些問題而不是就是說讓新的規劃消滅了部落族人的生計還有快樂的這個共同回憶那我做這樣子的請求那\n678856\t706114\t請部長回座我接下來就是說現在最後一個問題其實院長今天這個問題是我在這邊質詢的第四次那從這個兩年多前我就開始在推動這個政策已經歷經三位行政院長我希望這件事情可以在卓院長的手中完成畫下完美的據點就差您這麼臨門一腳\n708695\t733425\t政府在歸還原住民土地的政策上有不斷的滾動檢討。但是因為政府的規定限制了這個原保地的流通性,導致我們就算有這個具有高經濟價值的原保地,銀行仍不願意把這個我們的原保地視為一個擔保品。所以我一直不斷的努力了非常久,終於我們協調出一個完整的規劃。\n734565\t745011\t那請教一下園民會這個規劃呢要請你們研擬這個貸款要點到底什麼時候可以完成\n746206\t748128\t你還需要．你們還需要多久的時間?．陳瑩\n766905\t766925\t是﹖\n786500\t802018\t好,那今天那個在院長面前也做了這樣子的宣誓,我們要點7月底一定要申出來。好,再來... 總統委員這個有必要再跟金融單位去處理一下,因為他們現在對於這個移產對象的限定,\n802739\t819155\t﹚陳瑩﹚﹚﹚\n819155\t834804\t﹚陳瑩﹚\n835084\t850158\t一個單位就是這個公股銀行點頭承辦那在整個這個協調的這個過程其實臺銀都有參與那臺銀截至目前為止他們當然仍然維持一個不置可否\n850618\t870273\t指說可不可以多幾間銀行一起來承辦﹖這句話透露了一個玄機表示他們不是不能辦而且還可以大家一起來辦那只是說我覺得說這個公股銀行在配合政府政策之下應該要勇於認識當然我們現在因為現在所有的配套所有規定我們都規劃好了\n872535\t898744\t但是就是說我們當然一個事辦現在是從事辦開始做所以我們找一家嘛沒有一下子找八家嘛因為萬一大家都不願意好好試試看直接八家聯合說全部不行這樣我也是不樂於看到所以我們還是拜託台銀那今天就是說請院長開個金口是不是都已經在規劃好的前提那院長才是我們就從台銀開始承接這個業務\n900600\t926649\t我會請主委積極的聯絡來關注來協助因為原民會他沒有辦法所以在經過長期的協調我只是在這邊特別再請這個院長可以出面開個金口再不然可能又下一次我又質詢說您是第4位第4任的這個院長了我想這件事情真的就是差台銀這個部分那我們就\n927970\t931739\t來示範一下吧,因為就從一間開始示範嘛。﹖我們會來溝通來處理﹖好,謝謝院長,謝謝。﹖謝謝委員,謝謝。\n","txt":"麻煩請院長以及園民會主委。我們請左院長費詢,還有園民會主委費詢。參議員好。\n委員長好 主委好那在這個禁法補償我們就是說目前禁法補償的這些面積呢截至目前為止統計大概有7萬多公頃其實這些土地呢有很多其實是可以再進行其他的這個林業以及農業的利用而且呢這些林業與農業的這個發展利用的價值呢\n（6月25日（6月25日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。（6月25日（6月25日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。（6月25日（6月25日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n原住民的土地很多是在森林區,過去行政部會常常有提到零下經濟外還有林業經濟的問題,我們今天就要來談一談林業經濟。\n可是呢在這個民國78年全面禁止采伐天然林之後呢加上民國80年的臺灣森林經營管理的方案政府已經倡導2、30年不砍樹那但是呢這完全不砍樹是真的是好事嗎?\n我們有這個新的省思那林業署署長林華慶在2017年就曾經發表文章表示人工林的部分應該要適度的砍伐那過去那麼久的時間不砍樹導致我們林業的技術人才凋零那整個林業市場是萎縮的\n臺灣現在林木的自給率只剩下1%多（所以林業署在兩年前有提出希望發展國產材的施政目標（在2027年希望國內自給率可以達到5%（在原住民保留地有相當的面積其實都是竹林（\n竹子其實它有100多種用途是相當好的相當棒的一個植物那竹子的部分呢林業署在兩年前呢它有推動這個新興竹產的新興竹產業發展計畫的這個10年中長城計畫就是希望發展臺灣的林業經濟所以森林完全不砍伐對森林的健康不是件好事情\n那當然前面的這個10年的這個中長城計畫﹖其實對原住民是相當有幫助的﹖因為畢竟我剛剛有提過我們其實元寶地﹖很多相當的面積其實都是竹林喔﹖所以我希望這個發展國產財﹖不要再只是農業部的一個目標而已﹖我們應該要有具體的規劃﹖而且不單單只是竹產業而已喔﹖希望說有個這個中長城的計畫﹖振興整個林業經濟的市場﹖\n我們開闢這個市場的需求提升相關的技術然後再結合這個森林的固碳造林獎勵還有淨法補償等等這些政策才能打造林業經濟在生產加工還有這個市場整個完整的一個產業鏈\n﹚陳瑩﹚\n﹚陳瑩﹚\n（6月25日（6月25日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。（6月25日（6月25日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。（6月25日（6月25日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。（6月25日（6月25日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n因為只有農業部有這個專業可以來協助發展林業市場來提高這個林業技術那我想請教院長是不是我們今天在這邊可以請這個農業部好好來會同這個園民會來支持我這個想法然後提出一個期程一個看什麼樣的計畫\n我先報告一下委員,我想這個非常謝謝委員的指教那我目前正在跟農業部就這個剛才講這個方面是不是在林下經濟還有一些森林保育方面我們多做一些努力不要說只有等著再領精華補償金我們還可以再多做一些事的話那這個還沒有成熟我們還一次兩次要跟這個農業部來討論希望他能夠趕快來\n這是我在這次進法補償我們修法過之後的一個省思。當然我有提案但是我更希望在我們既有的補助之下額外在有限可以利用的部分土地之內我們額外再創造更多的經濟價值讓族人有更好的收入這是我的用意。\n接下來我另外也要請內政部部長上臺相信院長在過去有去過好幾次的原鄉部落我們最近一次我們也去了秀林鄉也去了新城鄉\n主委,您可能也要留步一下。雖然主要要問內政部,但也請原民會主委這個問題要留意聽。我們原鄉部落的生活其實非常純樸,相當可愛。經濟模式也相對單純。在部落裡,如果你穿梭在這個部落當中,\n﹏﹏﹏﹏﹏﹏\n院長,你們千萬不要小看這個部落的小吃麵店,因為這個麵店他可能照顧了就是長期在外工作的,父母長期在外工作的,但是孩子留在部落。\n﹚陳瑩﹚陳瑩﹚\n在這樣的一個可愛的原鄉的經濟模式在我們國土計劃法通過之後依照第11條的規定應該要照原基法第21條的規定訂定了這個原住民族土地及海域管制規定凡在105年5月1日前已經存在的建物未來國土計劃法上路之後土地都將變成了建築用地\n那麼解決原鄉長期建地不足的問題這是雖然說可以變成建地的目前只有限制在這個居住使用所以這些單純經營麵攤小吃店的原住民他們這些小店面可能就只是在\n（6月13日（\n我們賴清德總統2024年的競選政見總統希望尊重並依照原住民族的生活模式去制定原住民族土地使用的管制規則所謂的生活模式絕對不是只有居住這麼狹隘\n﹚陳瑩﹚\n﹚陳瑩﹚陳瑩﹚陳瑩\n謝謝委員。剛剛您說的這個麵攤、小吃店、雜貨店,它都很可能是我們政府在偏鄉地區還沒有觸及到的一個社會安全網的一環。\n﹚陳瑩﹚\n原民會跟內政部將來都必須做跨部會的很多的聯繫的。所以接下來就是說原民會跟內政部在討論這些土地管制規則的時候呢也希望部長內政部長這邊可以多多幫忙幫我們來解決這些問題而不是就是說讓新的規劃消滅了部落族人的生計還有快樂的這個共同回憶那我做這樣子的請求那\n請部長回座我接下來就是說現在最後一個問題其實院長今天這個問題是我在這邊質詢的第四次那從這個兩年多前我就開始在推動這個政策已經歷經三位行政院長我希望這件事情可以在卓院長的手中完成畫下完美的據點就差您這麼臨門一腳\n政府在歸還原住民土地的政策上有不斷的滾動檢討。但是因為政府的規定限制了這個原保地的流通性,導致我們就算有這個具有高經濟價值的原保地,銀行仍不願意把這個我們的原保地視為一個擔保品。所以我一直不斷的努力了非常久,終於我們協調出一個完整的規劃。\n那請教一下園民會這個規劃呢要請你們研擬這個貸款要點到底什麼時候可以完成\n你還需要．你們還需要多久的時間?．陳瑩\n是﹖\n好,那今天那個在院長面前也做了這樣子的宣誓,我們要點7月底一定要申出來。好,再來... 總統委員這個有必要再跟金融單位去處理一下,因為他們現在對於這個移產對象的限定,\n﹚陳瑩﹚﹚﹚\n﹚陳瑩﹚\n一個單位就是這個公股銀行點頭承辦那在整個這個協調的這個過程其實臺銀都有參與那臺銀截至目前為止他們當然仍然維持一個不置可否\n指說可不可以多幾間銀行一起來承辦﹖這句話透露了一個玄機表示他們不是不能辦而且還可以大家一起來辦那只是說我覺得說這個公股銀行在配合政府政策之下應該要勇於認識當然我們現在因為現在所有的配套所有規定我們都規劃好了\n但是就是說我們當然一個事辦現在是從事辦開始做所以我們找一家嘛沒有一下子找八家嘛因為萬一大家都不願意好好試試看直接八家聯合說全部不行這樣我也是不樂於看到所以我們還是拜託台銀那今天就是說請院長開個金口是不是都已經在規劃好的前提那院長才是我們就從台銀開始承接這個業務\n我會請主委積極的聯絡來關注來協助因為原民會他沒有辦法所以在經過長期的協調我只是在這邊特別再請這個院長可以出面開個金口再不然可能又下一次我又質詢說您是第4位第4任的這個院長了我想這件事情真的就是差台銀這個部分那我們就\n來示範一下吧,因為就從一間開始示範嘛。﹖我們會來溝通來處理﹖好,謝謝院長,謝謝。﹖謝謝委員,謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:12.702 --> 00:22.290\n麻煩請院長以及園民會主委。我們請左院長費詢,還有園民會主委費詢。參議員好。\n\n00:31.441 --> 00:57.399\n委員長好主委好那在這個禁法補償我們就是說目前禁法補償的這些面積呢截至目前為止統計大概有7萬多公頃其實這些土地呢有很多其實是可以再進行其他的這個林業以及農業的利用而且呢這些林業與農業的這個發展利用的價值呢\n\n01:00.541 --> 01:03.523\n（6月25日（6月25日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。（6月25日（6月25日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。（6月25日（6月25日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n\n01:18.952 --> 01:26.002\n原住民的土地很多是在森林區,過去行政部會常常有提到零下經濟外還有林業經濟的問題,我們今天就要來談一談林業經濟。\n\n01:32.790 --> 01:50.691\n可是呢在這個民國78年全面禁止采伐天然林之後呢加上民國80年的臺灣森林經營管理的方案政府已經倡導2、30年不砍樹那但是呢這完全不砍樹是真的是好事嗎?\n\n01:52.185 --> 02:12.451\n我們有這個新的省思那林業署署長林華慶在2017年就曾經發表文章表示人工林的部分應該要適度的砍伐那過去那麼久的時間不砍樹導致我們林業的技術人才凋零那整個林業市場是萎縮的\n\n02:13.772 --> 02:37.194\n臺灣現在林木的自給率只剩下1%多（所以林業署在兩年前有提出希望發展國產材的施政目標（在2027年希望國內自給率可以達到5%（在原住民保留地有相當的面積其實都是竹林（\n\n02:38.595 --> 03:06.749\n竹子其實它有100多種用途是相當好的相當棒的一個植物那竹子的部分呢林業署在兩年前呢它有推動這個新興竹產的新興竹產業發展計畫的這個10年中長城計畫就是希望發展臺灣的林業經濟所以森林完全不砍伐對森林的健康不是件好事情\n\n03:07.529 --> 03:34.171\n那當然前面的這個10年的這個中長城計畫﹖其實對原住民是相當有幫助的﹖因為畢竟我剛剛有提過我們其實元寶地﹖很多相當的面積其實都是竹林喔﹖所以我希望這個發展國產財﹖不要再只是農業部的一個目標而已﹖我們應該要有具體的規劃﹖而且不單單只是竹產業而已喔﹖希望說有個這個中長城的計畫﹖振興整個林業經濟的市場﹖\n\n03:37.413 --> 03:55.527\n我們開闢這個市場的需求提升相關的技術然後再結合這個森林的固碳造林獎勵還有淨法補償等等這些政策才能打造林業經濟在生產加工還有這個市場整個完整的一個產業鏈\n\n04:37.825 --> 04:42.211\n（6月25日（6月25日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。（6月25日（6月25日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。（6月25日（6月25日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。（6月25日（6月25日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。\n\n04:54.025 --> 05:15.041\n因為只有農業部有這個專業可以來協助發展林業市場來提高這個林業技術那我想請教院長是不是我們今天在這邊可以請這個農業部好好來會同這個園民會來支持我這個想法然後提出一個期程一個看什麼樣的計畫\n\n05:16.042 --> 05:41.447\n我先報告一下委員,我想這個非常謝謝委員的指教那我目前正在跟農業部就這個剛才講這個方面是不是在林下經濟還有一些森林保育方面我們多做一些努力不要說只有等著再領精華補償金我們還可以再多做一些事的話那這個還沒有成熟我們還一次兩次要跟這個農業部來討論希望他能夠趕快來\n\n05:44.027 --> 06:10.904\n這是我在這次進法補償我們修法過之後的一個省思。當然我有提案但是我更希望在我們既有的補助之下額外在有限可以利用的部分土地之內我們額外再創造更多的經濟價值讓族人有更好的收入這是我的用意。\n\n06:12.765 --> 06:29.800\n接下來我另外也要請內政部部長上臺相信院長在過去有去過好幾次的原鄉部落我們最近一次我們也去了秀林鄉也去了新城鄉\n\n06:32.786 --> 06:55.617\n主委,您可能也要留步一下。雖然主要要問內政部,但也請原民會主委這個問題要留意聽。我們原鄉部落的生活其實非常純樸,相當可愛。經濟模式也相對單純。在部落裡,如果你穿梭在這個部落當中,\n\n07:14.446 --> 07:28.462\n院長,你們千萬不要小看這個部落的小吃麵店,因為這個麵店他可能照顧了就是長期在外工作的,父母長期在外工作的,但是孩子留在部落。\n\n07:53.553 --> 08:20.731\n在這樣的一個可愛的原鄉的經濟模式在我們國土計劃法通過之後依照第11條的規定應該要照原基法第21條的規定訂定了這個原住民族土地及海域管制規定凡在105年5月1日前已經存在的建物未來國土計劃法上路之後土地都將變成了建築用地\n\n08:21.331 --> 08:45.387\n那麼解決原鄉長期建地不足的問題這是雖然說可以變成建地的目前只有限制在這個居住使用所以這些單純經營麵攤小吃店的原住民他們這些小店面可能就只是在\n\n08:46.508 --> 08:46.548\n（6月13日（\n\n09:04.745 --> 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