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得這才是一個文明社會真正告訴我，你重視所有學生的心理健康，不要讓悲劇發生之後……","如果這些人力能夠補足，我覺得這才是對臺灣、才是部長你照顧這些所有學生最大的一個體現。部長，你同意吧？"],["鄭部長英耀：委員的提醒、委員所指正的，我們會來努力。"],["柯委員志恩：好，等下下禮拜一本席排定我們逐條來做審查的時候，我們希望能夠採納各委員的意見，其實大家在考量經費之外，就是很希望這些學輔的人力能夠好好的補足，讓家長跟學生更放心，我們共同來努力，謝謝部長。"],["鄭部長英耀：是，謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝柯志恩召委，謝謝部長。接下來有請羅廷瑋委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":332,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-22-17","speakers":["柯志恩","陳秀寳","洪孟楷","陳培瑜","張雅琳","羅智強","陳菁徽","葛如鈞","范雲","萬美玲","羅廷瑋","林宜瑾","郭昱晴","吳沛憶","陳亭妃","葉元之","楊瓊瓔","邱志偉","吳宗憲","徐欣瑩","林憶君","王育敏","吳春城","林月琴"],"page_start":275,"meetingDate":["2024-06-26"],"gazette_id":"1136601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1136601_00012"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第17次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查委員范雲等17人擬具「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案」案；二、審查委員林宜瑾等22人\n擬具「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案」案；三、審查委員張雅琳等19人擬具「學生輔導法部分條\n文修正草案」案；四、審查委員李柏毅等 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00:04:48,904\n我想謝謝委員的一個指正,因為確實我們這一次也理解到我們整個社會大眾,包括從這個家長...沒關係你先告訴我,不然我們都了解條文差別在哪裡。我想在第10條裡面,到第10...\n\n14\n00:04:51,286 --> 00:05:17,563\n十一條委員所關心的大概幾個專業輔導老師專業輔導人員包括地方的一個規範包括兒童與少年﹑其實部長差別根本就沒有根本沒什麼差別你們浪費了一年多的時間根本條文上面有差別你把它對照過來這是讓本席覺得最不可思議的一件事情大家都認為要跟地方政府去溝通也知道你們在增加學府人力的這部分裡面所遭遇的問題\n\n15\n00:05:18,163 --> 00:05:29,229\n但是從去年到今年根本就沒什麼差別我們卡的地方還是在第四條第十條跟第十一條就是有關於這個學府中心的一個任務還有包括編制還有包括專任的輔導人員這就是差別還是很難達成一個共識那既然很難達成共識你就早早送出來我們其實該在這個過程裡面可以透過逐條的審視當中來不用等那麼久嘛所以我們一一來去看\n\n16\n00:05:46,457 --> 00:05:46,717\n議員林宜瑾等19人擬具\n\n17\n00:06:16,577 --> 00:06:18,459\n第三、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬具第4、審查委員張雅琳等19人擬具第4、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬\n\n18\n00:06:36,155 --> 00:06:36,395\n﹝審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬具﹞\n\n19\n00:07:04,375 --> 00:07:09,961\n五、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案案案件等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案案件等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案案件等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案案件\n\n20\n00:07:26,818 --> 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