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--> 00:03:39,293\n都相信因為這是不分藍綠的議題大家都一起來為孩子撐住他們但是問題就是我們看到自傷的人數還有自殺人數不斷的上升所以一定就是要有一個大變革才有辦法去想辦法逆轉現在的問題那目前業務執行跟推動有沒有面臨什麼困境您覺得呢\n\n10\n00:03:41,070 --> 00:03:49,179\n當然因為社會的一個變遷然後家長對小孩子的一個教育的一個期待當然是越來越高因為\n\n11\n00:03:50,325 --> 00:04:11,556\n此外,社會對學校教育的期待當然是高的。老師也相對會面臨更大的一些挑戰。但不管怎麼樣,學校如何提供一個更專業的一個支持的系統,透過一個跨部會的合作,我想那都是我們教育部要積極來努力的。\n\n12\n00:04:12,436 --> 00:04:32,919\n我還是要講喔,剛剛其實召委就有講過,監察院的報告裡面就講,七成的孩子是沒有被接住的,沒有被輔導的。所以學校端在一開始就沒有辦法接住他們。所以先行的輔導機制分為三級,剛剛有講過,一、二級呢是所謂的學校老師以及輔導專任老師,可是一、二級我們就會面臨最重要的一個問題,就是校長。\n\n13\n00:04:33,993 --> 00:04:35,994\ndiscipio等19人擬具〈學生輔導法部分條文修正草案案〉案。\n\n14\n00:04:59,887 --> 00:05:25,346\n人力不足跟勞動條件很有關係絕大多數都是跳槽一年聘的問題無法累積年資跳槽之後年資、薪資又要重新開始計算加上大專院校的心理諮商師來源往往錯綜複雜可能是校務基金校方自籌教育部或者其他部會的專案東湊西湊的給他們這樣子還要跑公文寫計畫書做核銷這樣子聽起來我都覺得非常的困難\n\n15\n00:05:26,147 --> 00:05:45,433\n可是相反的外面的諮商所越開越多我們去看一下相關的資料可以看到去年年初有將近3000人比起10多年前只有800人今年還會再有所突破所以請問部長剛剛我們看到薪水你知道起薪大概多少前一個委員朝委又講大概4萬4左右\n\n16\n00:05:46,173 --> 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«學生輔導法部分條文修正草案案案》案\n566065\t567381\t二、審查委員羅偉仁等19人擬具\n","txt":"好,謝召委,有請部長。好,請部長。\n部長好,首先先感謝部長還有我們國教署的彭署長以及我們潘文忠前部長在週一合訂的6月24號合訂我這個夜光天使點燈計畫延伸國中夜間以及我們的國小寒暑假的示範計畫本期希望一年的示範時間未來能夠成為正式的一個計畫還可以擴大區域辦理給這些弱勢家庭\n一、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬一、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬一、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬一、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬一、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬\n﹏﹏﹏\n擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案：一、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案．一、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案．一、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案．一、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案．一、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬具:「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案．一、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬\n教育部目前對於自殺防治相關的作為有沒有具體的成效青少年的自殺以及自殺人數一直在上升根本的原因是什麼?有沒有掌握?\n確實這一個剛才陳委員所關心的也有許多委員也同時關心這個議題自殺的一個從相關的學術上的一些研究或者政務部門研究要歸為單一的因素確實是比較困難那當然它有許多時候來自於人際之間來自於同儕的一個壓力那一個變成\n議員林宜瑾等19人擬議員林宜瑾等19人擬\n我們相信都有在努力\n都相信因為這是不分藍綠的議題大家都一起來為孩子撐住他們但是問題就是我們看到自傷的人數還有自殺人數不斷的上升所以一定就是要有一個大變革才有辦法去想辦法逆轉現在的問題那目前業務執行跟推動有沒有面臨什麼困境您覺得呢\n當然因為社會的一個變遷然後家長對小孩子的一個教育的一個期待當然是越來越高因為\n此外,社會對學校教育的期待當然是高的。老師也相對會面臨更大的一些挑戰。但不管怎麼樣,學校如何提供一個更專業的一個支持的系統,透過一個跨部會的合作,我想那都是我們教育部要積極來努力的。\n我還是要講喔,剛剛其實召委就有講過,監察院的報告裡面就講,七成的孩子是沒有被接住的,沒有被輔導的。所以學校端在一開始就沒有辦法接住他們。所以先行的輔導機制分為三級,剛剛有講過,一、二級呢是所謂的學校老師以及輔導專任老師,可是一、二級我們就會面臨最重要的一個問題,就是校長。\ndiscipio等19人擬具〈學生輔導法部分條文修正草案案〉案。\n人力不足跟勞動條件很有關係絕大多數都是跳槽一年聘的問題無法累積年資跳槽之後年資、薪資又要重新開始計算加上大專院校的心理諮商師來源往往錯綜複雜可能是校務基金校方自籌教育部或者其他部會的專案東湊西湊的給他們這樣子還要跑公文寫計畫書做核銷這樣子聽起來我都覺得非常的困難\n可是相反的外面的諮商所越開越多我們去看一下相關的資料可以看到去年年初有將近3000人比起10多年前只有800人今年還會再有所突破所以請問部長剛剛我們看到薪水你知道起薪大概多少前一個委員朝委又講大概4萬4左右\n對那我想如果今天你是這一個所謂的專輔人員你去外面執業薪水可能上看到10萬請問如果部長是你你要選擇麵包還是選擇理想我想理想跟麵包如果能夠兼得但當然大家都想要可是現在面臨就是小老百姓沒辦法\n﹝請勿模仿﹞\n讓輔導人力能夠從他專業他做專業的事然後他的薪資包括怎麼樣調整人力能夠關照到這一個第一線上的一些教育品質包括學生的這個需求我想那都是我們努力的目標\n我想幸福法我們等很久我們需要我們也要接住孩子已經等了這麼多年了那看到每年的這個報告每個孩子每一天的流失都有可能造成一個孩子的傷亡所以我們要趕快來成立趕快接住他們我想未來有一個具體的方案如果財源的編列突破人力的短缺相關的這些能夠留住優秀的專輔人員我希望能夠有趕快提出具體的一個方案\n這個部分一定要趕快去處理。另外我想這個輕職教育有沒有落實針對脆弱的家庭、高風險的家庭教育部有沒有具體的措施?對一些弱勢學生的一個關照當然教育部在許多從這個家庭教育中心裡面的輕職的教育或者學校老師的一些親師的一些座談事實上他一直都在積極把它當作一個重點\n包括課業的輔助生活的一個輔助我還是回歸到我們剛剛講的一定有做我們相信你們有做但到底效能有沒有彰顯昨天台中才發生中民南路有一個家長接送孩子的時候在這個過程當中對他的孩子可以說是拳打腳踢甚至是有點半拖行摩托車拖行讓孩子在後面的一個這個社會案件吵得沸沸揚揚的\n但國教署現在我們看到的這個第三期推動家庭教育的中層計畫和衛生福利部11個部會中央部會攜手的家庭教育我想到底成效具體如何我希望會後有沒有這樣相關的資料可以提供給我們我想北歐國家例如挪威瑞典皆有親職假加拿大還有澳洲也有相關的制度他們的政策是希望促進父母在出生後和孩子的一個照顧角色平等我們都知道\n教育不是學校完完全全的責任我們要家長也需要來支援但是這個部分我們的親職假我們能不能有更有效的去讓父母親能夠來擔任這個位置更重要的角色我想教育部也需要去規劃所以我希望教育部你目前對於我這樣子的想法可以支持嗎?我想我非常認同委員剛才所提的確實從這一個\n議員林宜瑾等19人擬具 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03:39.293\n都相信因為這是不分藍綠的議題大家都一起來為孩子撐住他們但是問題就是我們看到自傷的人數還有自殺人數不斷的上升所以一定就是要有一個大變革才有辦法去想辦法逆轉現在的問題那目前業務執行跟推動有沒有面臨什麼困境您覺得呢\n\n03:41.070 --> 03:49.179\n當然因為社會的一個變遷然後家長對小孩子的一個教育的一個期待當然是越來越高因為\n\n03:50.325 --> 04:11.556\n此外,社會對學校教育的期待當然是高的。老師也相對會面臨更大的一些挑戰。但不管怎麼樣,學校如何提供一個更專業的一個支持的系統,透過一個跨部會的合作,我想那都是我們教育部要積極來努力的。\n\n04:12.436 --> 04:32.919\n我還是要講喔,剛剛其實召委就有講過,監察院的報告裡面就講,七成的孩子是沒有被接住的,沒有被輔導的。所以學校端在一開始就沒有辦法接住他們。所以先行的輔導機制分為三級,剛剛有講過,一、二級呢是所謂的學校老師以及輔導專任老師,可是一、二級我們就會面臨最重要的一個問題,就是校長。\n\n04:33.993 --> 04:35.994\ndiscipio等19人擬具〈學生輔導法部分條文修正草案案〉案。\n\n04:59.887 --> 05:25.346\n人力不足跟勞動條件很有關係絕大多數都是跳槽一年聘的問題無法累積年資跳槽之後年資、薪資又要重新開始計算加上大專院校的心理諮商師來源往往錯綜複雜可能是校務基金校方自籌教育部或者其他部會的專案東湊西湊的給他們這樣子還要跑公文寫計畫書做核銷這樣子聽起來我都覺得非常的困難\n\n05:26.147 --> 05:45.433\n可是相反的外面的諮商所越開越多我們去看一下相關的資料可以看到去年年初有將近3000人比起10多年前只有800人今年還會再有所突破所以請問部長剛剛我們看到薪水你知道起薪大概多少前一個委員朝委又講大概4萬4左右\n\n05:46.173 --> 06:03.346\n對那我想如果今天你是這一個所謂的專輔人員你去外面執業薪水可能上看到10萬請問如果部長是你你要選擇麵包還是選擇理想我想理想跟麵包如果能夠兼得但當然大家都想要可是現在面臨就是小老百姓沒辦法\n\n06:03.746 --> 06:03.866\n﹝請勿模仿﹞\n\n06:28.949 --> 06:42.943\n讓輔導人力能夠從他專業他做專業的事然後他的薪資包括怎麼樣調整人力能夠關照到這一個第一線上的一些教育品質包括學生的這個需求我想那都是我們努力的目標\n\n06:43.644 --> 07:07.009\n我想幸福法我們等很久我們需要我們也要接住孩子已經等了這麼多年了那看到每年的這個報告每個孩子每一天的流失都有可能造成一個孩子的傷亡所以我們要趕快來成立趕快接住他們我想未來有一個具體的方案如果財源的編列突破人力的短缺相關的這些能夠留住優秀的專輔人員我希望能夠有趕快提出具體的一個方案\n\n07:07.669 --> 07:34.355\n這個部分一定要趕快去處理。另外我想這個輕職教育有沒有落實針對脆弱的家庭、高風險的家庭教育部有沒有具體的措施?對一些弱勢學生的一個關照當然教育部在許多從這個家庭教育中心裡面的輕職的教育或者學校老師的一些親師的一些座談事實上他一直都在積極把它當作一個重點\n\n07:34.995 --> 07:59.413\n包括課業的輔助生活的一個輔助我還是回歸到我們剛剛講的一定有做我們相信你們有做但到底效能有沒有彰顯昨天台中才發生中民南路有一個家長接送孩子的時候在這個過程當中對他的孩子可以說是拳打腳踢甚至是有點半拖行摩托車拖行讓孩子在後面的一個這個社會案件吵得沸沸揚揚的\n\n08:00.174 --> 08:27.763\n但國教署現在我們看到的這個第三期推動家庭教育的中層計畫和衛生福利部11個部會中央部會攜手的家庭教育我想到底成效具體如何我希望會後有沒有這樣相關的資料可以提供給我們我想北歐國家例如挪威瑞典皆有親職假加拿大還有澳洲也有相關的制度他們的政策是希望促進父母在出生後和孩子的一個照顧角色平等我們都知道\n\n08:28.303 --> 08:54.819\n教育不是學校完完全全的責任我們要家長也需要來支援但是這個部分我們的親職假我們能不能有更有效的去讓父母親能夠來擔任這個位置更重要的角色我想教育部也需要去規劃所以我希望教育部你目前對於我這樣子的想法可以支持嗎?我想我非常認同委員剛才所提的確實從這一個\n\n08:57.779 --> 08:59.561\n議員林宜瑾等19人擬具«學生輔導法部分條文修正草案案案》案\n\n09:26.065 --> 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